I'd like to thank Jaedong for his heroic all-kill vs hite during last years winners league. Without him I'd never hold the FPL crown, and never have gotten the FPL Crown honorary chezino discount.
This is the most excited I've ever been watching Broodwar:
Jaedong had worked his way through 3 hite members, and was facing off vs Leta. If he won, I was guaranteed to be the FPL champ, if he lost.... lets not talk about it. I woke up at 4:30 in the morning to watch this series, and I leapt out of bed when Jaedong brought the hammer down on Leta in the most thrilling and nail-biting game I've ever watched. I recommend everyone check it out.
I appreciate your zest here Kurumi, but you're way off base. First off, I have several suspects, but am PMing other players and those suspects in an effort to build a case. This includes you, but you never responded to my PM, did you? There is very little going on in the thread, which is why i've sent 30 PMs so far this game, to about 7 different players. However you're right that I don't have a lot of red reads right now, but i'm working on it.
You keep saying I was trying to find blues...? That makes no sense. I was trying to find players eager to sell their vote, which would peg them as either blue OR RED.
I never gave chezinu anything. He gave me 1000000 free chezbucks because I was trying to wrangle a good deal from him.
I dont understand your serial killer stuff. Your really digging hard here to try and build a case against me.
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Anyways, after PMing around, it seems we have several options for the lynch today: Originalname, Sandroba, and Nisani. Syllogism I was initially suspicious of, but the fact that he was trying to break the game in a pro-town way scores him enough points to get past Day 1 for me. Chez is too much fun to get rid of,
Sandroba: As I've stated I don't think lynching sandro is a particularly good play, especially since he seems to have something cooking for Day 2 with GM.
OriginalName: My first impression of ON is that he is legit, but frankly his posting is very neutral and tending towards posting for the sake of posting. I'm not totally sold on him though, which leaves...
Nisani: Currently my best bet for today's lynch. His first post was super scummy(as sandro pointed out) and it hasn't really improved.
I'm back from work. Thanks GMan for backing me up.
I asked for 1 cycle, and you guys gave me 18 hours. Seriously, if you took a poll at the beginning of the game of the worst possible town plays, lynching Radfield Day 1 is pretty near the top of the list. I have some faults, and am not good at finding scum day 1, but I absolutely excel day 2 and beyond. Hence why I generally die night 1 or night 2(or night 0), and why I asked for 1 cylce of leeway.
Nisani is the lynch today, not me. However, both chaos and jackal look scummy, but I'll admit i'm biased since they are voting for me. Frankly, the fact that everyone is coming down either for or against me makes it far more difficult to parse who's town and who's not.
Chez, are you trying to get me lynched by unvoting Nisani?
GMarshal, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Heist.
This is the most BS post in this whole thread:
On July 14 2011 01:47 Jackal58 wrote: I just replied to a PM that Radfield sent me. I'm sure he didn't like my answer to much. He asked for my opinions and I told him I was leaning towards him or Nisani for my vote today. I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. Thank you chaos.
I am having a very busy day at work today and then I have bowling tonight so I will not be on much until late this evening. And by then I'll be drunk. My apologies.
##VOTE: Radfield
I would gladly move a lynch onto Jackal. This post, combined with the fact that Palmar offered him money to be active during day 1 that he turned down, make him very scummy. He has also done very little posting, and seemingly very little PMing. He jumped on my bandwagon with only the slightest push, and I guarantee that the mafia are licking their lips in anticipation of lynching me Day 1.
The PM that Jackal sent me:
I'm at work. And occasionally they actually expect me to do something.
syllogism hasn't posted enough of anything for me to get any real feeling from. nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote. If he doesn't you most likely will. I don't agree with all of Kurumi's analysis of you but some of it makes sense. I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious. I'm going to ask him what his logic is behind that. Sandroba I always think is scum and he always flips town on me. So I'm leaving him alone for right now. I haven't decided on Original Name yet. I think Palmar has called half the people in the game scummy so far. I have been in contact via PM with chaos13, Palmar, GMarshall and yourself. Of them I believe chaos and Palmar are most likely town. GMarshal is a null atm and I'm leaning towards red for you.
Original Message From Radfield: You've been rather absent in the thread. What are your reads on OriginalName, Sandroba and nisani? Also, what do you think of syllogism? Who should our Day 1 lynch be?
I'm also wondering if you've been in PM contact with any other players.
Palmar and GM, have you guys actually been much in contact with Jackal. Did you initiate contact or did he? When I've been scum in PM games I tend to avoid PMs, and I think that is the general trend.
##Vote: Nisani
I don't have a huge scum read on nisani, but he is a far better day 1 lynch than myself. Sandro, Palmar, Chez, ON, Gmarshal, heist and syllo: I would like to move this lynch onto Jackal. Thoughts? Is anyone willing to follow?
Shit, Jackal contradicted himself straight up in his PM to me.
nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote.
"I think he's worth another day to look at" turns into: "If he doesn't improve he will likely get my vote"
wait, what? So is he worth another day or was he likely to get your vote? And yes, I realize you are voting for me, but that doesn't change the blatant contradiction inherent in your PM.
Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off:
His post:
I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does.
His PM to me:
I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious.
Am I crazy here, or is Jackal the most scummy player in this thread?
So wait? Am I presumably the serial killer, or someone looking to find the serial killer? The whole serial killer thing makes no sense, including your(chaos) breakdown:
He asks for a bulletproof vest - SK wanting protection from mafia hits? Yes. He asks for votes - SK wanting swing-vote ability, to control the lynch? Yes. He can even use this to pursue a strong mafia suspect and gain major town cred. He asks for RPG's - SK wanting to increase their killing ability? Yes. He's third party, he's not worried about hitting someone on his own team. If he kills mafia, he's eliminated a threat to himself, if he kills town, hopefully he got a dangerous blue role. The more kills, the faster he's won the game.
You must think I'm the worst player to ever play mafia I've been the serial killer before too once. PYP1. I nailed a scum on both Day 2 and Day 3, and ended up getting Day Vigged by scum. I was the most pro-town player in the thread by a long shot, and basically had everyone fooled. I know how to play this game.
Reasons for my first post: I joined this game thinking it was a funsy themed mini-game which I could put my minimal amount of free time into, and I posted that first post accordingly. Look at my sign-up posts:
On July 11 2011 00:22 Radfield wrote: I'll bite as well. Someone make me a sweet contract: I'll give you all my votes starting on Day 3 for all your cash now
/in
On July 11 2011 00:23 Radfield wrote: Also, I plan on playing this game without actually scum hunting or rereading the thread ...
and compare that to these, my first two posts of the game:
On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote: Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest?
I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested.
But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPG
It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun
On July 12 2011 19:33 Radfield wrote: Fear not, I've got that covered. I'm going to make public whomever sells me the BP vest. That way if I die(if the vest is bombed, or a fake), you can lynch the ass who sold me the vest.
More importantly, wheres my RPG?
Notice the theme?
Unfortunately, this has turned into far more of a standard mini mafia, and far less of a funsy theme game, and my first post(made in a spirit of fun) has dogged me all cycle.
Lynching me today is a terrible play. I have huge potential to be an asset to town. If I don't contribute, then lynch or vig me, but at least give me a chance.
Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart.
I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.
However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.
Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.
On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote: ##UNVOTE: Radfield ##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans.
all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.
Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
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Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.
Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.
But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.
As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.
Ain't this post a gem Where oh where did those reads on GM and Chaos come from?
On July 13 2011 06:39 Nisani201 wrote: I make one post and now everyone is all over me? WTF?
The only reason why you guys think that the post is scummy is because it isn't super confident. I wasn't being very confident about it because there was so little evidence; Day 1 reads should never yield absolute confidence IMO. I doubt he will get lynched today but I was just suggesting that it would be better to lynch him because of scumminess rather than a lurker.
I don't think we should lynch Chezinu because he's not posting. If he completely lurks then he will just get modkilled anyways.
Anyways, I guess I'll post my opinions on some players now, because I'll probably be asked to do so anyways sooner or later.
Radfield - Appears to be full of contradictions and scumslips. They are forgivable but we should definitely keep an eye on him throughout Day 2.
Kurumi - He seems to be slowly easing off his tunneling of Radfield, probably because people are calling him scum. If he truly thought that Radfield were Mafia then I think he would be pressing a bit harder, but now he just seems to be acting for the crowd. Suspicious.
chaos13 - Playing pro-town; all of his posts have evidence behind them and have a lot of content. Doesn't seem suspicious.
GMarshal - Seems to be playing his standard leadership town role. I don't see a difference between his playstyle now and his playstyle from RTM so he seems innocent to me.
Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart.
I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.
However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.
Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.
On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote: ##UNVOTE: Radfield ##VOTE: Nisani
I don't want no scummy shenanigans.
all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.
Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
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Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.
Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.
But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.
As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.
I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible. At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4. At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there) My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM. Nisani as scum has help. You as SK do not. If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second. If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening. Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today.
Hmm, I think maybe you misunderstood my post.
1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.
2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
These two points were to show evidence of you NOT being scum.
On July 15 2011 04:23 syllogism wrote: I don't think we really need to go on, but
Almost. You'll see I mentioned early on that I would not sell them to anyone on my suspect list. No reason to give them to someone who is mafia.
Jackal58 and GMarshal. These two are both really good players, and they're both giving me a really bad feeling that I can't quite place the origin of
And he sold it to jackal
Apparently I wasn't scummy yesterday but today I am.
On July 14 2011 09:09 chaos13 wrote: Jackal is an interesting candidate. He hasn't given me a strong read either way, and he has a tendency to be somewhat absent and unopinionated on Day 1. I wouldn't want to lynch him today based only on the evidence you put forth. What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely, but not near enough to be comfortable lynching him over Radfield.
And Chezinu, bandwagoning is bad. Don't do it.
What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely
Did you sell him your mine before or after you came to this conclusion chaos?
I'll admit that I don't get the case against Chaos right now, but it seems that Syllo and Palmar are holding cards that I can't see. If there truly is a lie somewhere in between Chaos and Syllo, then that's great, but I really hope that you guys(Palmar and Syllo) have considered any other alternatives.
Palmar and Syllogism, are you guys 100% sure that Chaos13 is scum? Keep in mind that 100% sure is the equivalent to a dt check in a game with no GF/Framer/etc. If that's the case than I'll back it.
OK, I also had a busy day yesterday, and went to bed at 8PM
Sorry for being afk on you Chez, I still haven't had a chance to look at your posts.... but I'll do my best to find some time.
This whole thread confuses me right now, as does last nights activity.
Lets see if I have this right.
Jackal placed his mine between himself and Kurumi.
Kurumi tried to bus drive Jackal and Chezinu, but was killed by the mine.
Chezinu was attacked in some way or another, either with KP or attempted theft(can't really tell).
Sandro was roleblocked
Chez claimed a kill last night, so presumably he killed Chaos since that is the only unclaimed kill?
This means that the mafia tried to kill Chez last night, which clears him from being mafia? However, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to try and kill Chez. So unless Kurumi's bus drivering went through, and mafia shot at Jackal, it still doesn't make a lot of sense.
Anything else I'm missing?
Vote: OriginalName for all the obvious reasons.
Palmar, why did you announce my bat in the thread? And why did you announce it going to Jackal? You were the one who told me to not reveal it in the thread(like I intended). I sincerely hope you are flipping it from Jackal to a different player, or else it is rather useless.
EPT
I appreciate your zest here Kurumi, but you're way off base. First off, I have several suspects, but am PMing other players and those suspects in an effort to build a case. This includes you, but you never responded to my PM, did you? There is very little going on in the thread, which is why i've sent 30 PMs so far this game, to about 7 different players. However you're right that I don't have a lot of red reads right now, but i'm working on it.
