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Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 15:57 GMT

#115

On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:
I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.

I find this scummy too.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 15:59 GMT

#116

Come on bro, I replied within 2 minutes. Don't run back to the mafia QT to ask your buddies what you should say.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 16:01 GMT

#118

On July 13 2011 01:00 Radfield wrote:
Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have.

So why don't you ooze green?

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 16:40 GMT

#124

I doubt that's possible :-)

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 16:43 GMT

#126

Nah, I was responding to syllo's attempt at breaking the game.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 16:49 GMT

#129

I'm pretty sure LSB Banking can tell the identity of an object, but is unable to tell anything about the condition of that object.

If someone gives you a bulletproof vest, LSB will know it's a bulletproof vest, but is unable to tell if it's super powerful, broken, booby trapped etc. So you can't say to someone you're giving him a bulletproof vest, but really you're just giving him a gun, a flower, a book or a goddamn RPG.

Anyway, stop trying to find holes in the rules and go play mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 16:51 GMT

#131

Also, I'm pretty sure you can't include punishments in the contracts, especially something like mod-kills. That'd be stupid. If either party breaches the contract, then I'd simply assume the contract is considered invalid.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 19:15 GMT

#147

On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

This is the most scummy thing I've read in this thread yet.

But I agree with you on Kurumi.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 19:27 GMT

#149

Don't act stupid, cause you aren't.

Everyone knows that we'll default to lynching lurkers, but with over 30 hours remaining in day one there is no reason to defend anyone like you just defended Radfield. Let him answer for himself.

There were several good reasons for attacking him. Yes, Nisani is being a bit derp, but that's no reason to completely stop the attack against Radfield.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 19:40 GMT

#154

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Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 20:06 GMT

#169

Don't really think we have any proper lurkers anyway. Only one that is yet to contribute is Chezinu, and he's unreadable anyway.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 20:39 GMT

#187

Yeah, I don't really like sandroba at the moment. His list smells like a weak attempt at buying safety. There is no reason for a town sided person to exclude players from getting lynched day 1, it simply does not make sense.

But then again, I completely agree with Sandroba on ON. ON has done almost nothing but not commiting this game, he also randomly fos'd sandroba out of the blue. I was talking to him on IRC at the time, and he mentioned radfield/kurumi/nisani being scummy, but a little later I said Sandroba was scummy, and that's the person he fos'd. He basically went with my read over his own, which also smells like an attempt to buy friends.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 12 2011 21:10 GMT

#193

On July 13 2011 05:16 GMarshal wrote:
Wait, Chezinu is playing in this?

Day 1 target acquired.

That's interesting.

You suggested exactly the same thing day 1 as scum in CCM.

You know that if we policy lynch him scum will basically get a free pass day 1 hiding behind a policy lynch.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 00:01 GMT

#217

I think Sandroba is the most scummy player in town. Apparently he has developed a masterplan though that should break the game, should be interesting.

GMarshal is another one to look at, I don't like half of what he's done so far.

Anyway, I need to sleep. A thousand times goodnight.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 09:27 GMT

#244

Fuck me, that's actually a valid analysis.

The point about really wanting to delay the lynch by one cycle is especially damning. As town you'd simply prove your innocence through pro-town posting and not worry so much about staying alive for one night.

I spoke with Radfield in detail last night. re-reading the IRC logs now.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 10:04 GMT

#246

Am I the only one who feels Nisani is just the new guy of choice who gets steamrolled because he isn't experienced enough at the game? I did have a conversation with him last night that actually raised my suspicion of him, but it also felt like him not knowing how the hell to act.

But then again, he is actually not bad at this game, maybe this is his scumplay. LSB, are you trolling me? Everyone is scummy.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 13:48 GMT

#248

It's lynching time.

OriginalName

The plan is to show with this post that OriginalName is very likely to be scum. I have went back and re-read his entire posting history. This, along with the shenanigans in PM land, leads me to believe that ON is indeed not part of our lovely town.

The first thing I'd like to bring to everyone's attention is the fact that ON has hardly accused anyone in this game, except for Sandroba. His accusation on Sandroba is incredibly weak.

On July 13 2011 05:44 OriginalName wrote:

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I had weak cases until I found Sandroba, I still have weak cases, I dont like commiting to weak cases because very often weak cases are wrong. I haven't even put a vote down on anyone yet and neither has anyone else. So how can anyone really be called commital yet?

As soon as I call him out on not committing he claims to have suddenly found a strong case. A case that was basically based on my own initial suspicion of Sandroba. He hasn't said a damn word in the thread about why Sandroba is scummy, just that "it's not a weak case".

But while ON has not been busy making enemies by calling them scum, he sure as hell has been trying to make friends.

On July 13 2011 05:10 OriginalName wrote:

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Meta =/= Scum.

And depending on how items work and such he could be right.

On July 13 2011 05:40 OriginalName wrote:

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Please provide evidence because im fairly sure i committed to lynching scummy lurkers over all else day 1 and im even more sure that you are just omgusing me because i decided to push you.

I agree mostly with that list overall though syllogism just hasnt done quite enough yet to warrent that spot.

On July 13 2011 01:57 OriginalName wrote:

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I don't like lynching Radfield day 1, hes generally a very good player as such hes been killed N1 of alot of games recently (PYPI was the exception as he picked bulletproof) for good reason.

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This is stupid, just because he says hes not good at PM games doesnt mean it takes alot of skill to lay a pm trap. Its just knowing how to play mafia in a reasonable manner, revealing it was a trap in my opinion was the only silly move he did there.

On July 13 2011 01:58 OriginalName wrote:
Also he could be lying about said pm skills to avoid scum shooting by appearing meeker.

This is scum play 101. If I tell GMarshal I think he's town, he's going to find it more likely that I am town too. It's just the mutual trust thing. ON is very busy telling us various players are town sided so we can all hold hands in one happy circle while he kills us during night.

He cannot commit to scumreads, but he's sure as hell willing to commit to town reads. Why a town player would ever do that? I have no idea.

And finally, he posts some blanket statements and instructions on how to play. Those things are scum favourites, as they look like contributions but sure as hell they aren't. I'll give a few examples in the next few quotes.

On July 13 2011 01:31 OriginalName wrote:

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It really depends on the scenario for gaining the item.

I think the system should go something like this,

Do I think the Item is boobied?

If yes - Announce the damned contract

if no - Keep it to yourself.

Otherwise if your really scared about secrecy or weather its announced or not just write it in the contract that said person will announce that he has completed it with another player.

On July 13 2011 04:09 OriginalName wrote:

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While this is true in theory, it should be based on such a thing as a Lurker who is posting fairly town or a lurker with weak opinions. We obviously lynch the lurker with weak opinions if there is a person we are on the fence about, that way we can buy ourselves time to look at the scummy active player who may turn out to be town and have solid scumreads for the remainder of the game.

On July 13 2011 05:05 OriginalName wrote:

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Because its all mostly gutreads that I honestly have barely any evidence to back up with it. I cant go oh look their 100% after 5 posts from each of them. There has to be patterns. Sure one case can be scummy and look you pointed out my pattern of not really giving evidence. And now im responding because In sands case its mostly the Lynching lurkers for lynching lurkers angle rather than lynching lurkers because they're scummy.

The last one is especially incriminating. He is making damn fucking sure that no one thinks he's convinced in his reads. Good plan, then people can't call you out for a bad day 1 lynch. No they'll be calling out the people who led the lynch.

Well sucks for ON that it'll be him hanging.

Not even love can save you now, scum.

OriginalName is Scum

##Vote OriginalName

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 14:17 GMT

#249

oh, and if we have a DT type role, for the love of god check Chezinu cause we aren't going to analyse out his alignment.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 18:51 GMT

#255

nice posting skills GMarshal.

Your point number one is completely invalid, as the mafia would have no reason to take down a player they think are under suspicion, no matter how strong his play is.

But on the other hand, I had exactly the same thoughts as you on your point number three, Radfield is simply too good at this to slip up like that on day one.

I still like ON better as day 1 lynch.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

July 13 2011 21:37 GMT

#265

And I don't think you're town-aligned player chaos

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