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On July 20 2011 09:04 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 09:03 Jackal58 wrote:On July 20 2011 08:45 ketomai wrote:
However yea, in case CB is making the whole thing up (notice he tattles on CB when he's asleep and includes a "i'm inactive" from Kav conversation), I actually would still prefer to vigi CB so that just in case he's FoS we won't be led around by VE to waste a lynch and possibly a second to take him out.
If we vigi CB then that kill will tell us all we need to know and we can then plan to vigi either VE or Kav depending on what happens and then pursue the rest of the suspects that we have. Now I'm forced to agree with you. With three possible traitors now in play it is simply inefficient to try lynching them. So if we revisit day 1 prior to Mr. Wiggles dropping his bombshell we had 4 likely candidates in Supersoft (Hey he was obviously going to be lynched. Poke poke.) redFF, RoL and possibly Pyo. I am returning my vote to RoL. I think Rol and redFF are the 2 best candidates out of the 4 and frankly RoL scares me as scum more than redFF does. RoL is not getting lynched today. It's a few hours before the deadline and he has all of one vote on him. Go to redFF or supersoft, whoever you think is more scummy. We can build the case against RoL tomorrow. You're wasting your vote.
i have to agree with him. Since there are many votes stacked up on me, redFF and VE from people, that probably are already asleep or away or anything else. basically it comes down to the 6-10 people, that browse the thread right now, to decide who will get lynched. A vote on anyone else is a waste in my eyes...
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I'd join you Jackal...but I think too many people fear RoL to vote for him. He's not a realistic candidate.
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On July 20 2011 08:58 Palmar wrote:
well, we sure have a lot of vigi targets!
Only if VE is currently telling the truth.
I say the best way to proceed is as follows:
Lynch VE.
VE flips town, vigkill CB and Kav tonight. (When they both flip scum, posthumously award VE the preliminary town MVP award for pulling off an amazing 2 for 1 trade.)
VE flips scum, town gets one down, and we move on. CB and Kav are no longer implicated. (But of course the entire saga doesn't grant them any pro-town cred either.)
In both cases, this entire thing is done tonight and we move to hunt other scum the next day.
[If VE flips town, and CB/Kav are also town...everybody facepalms and wonders why we have players that hurt their side in such an obvious manner. If it also turns out that VE was town and faked those conversations, he will also not be permitted to play in any games I host, should I host any in the future. I despise such play.]
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Look people. I think you can all agree with me that redFF and/or supersoft's flips will give us a lot of information. We can use this information for our Vigilantes at night and help them hone their targets.
Whatever VE flips, what the hell is that going to tell us? Send a bullet his way at night and we can discuss this Traitor crap the next day after he flips. TRAITORS ARE NOT THE PRIORITY, MAFIA ARE.
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by the way, we're not lynching supersoft, here's why:
I made a case against pyo, at the time I still thought supersoft was superscum, but I wanted to look for alternative lynch candidates.
Then supersoft pms me this:
This is a really good analysis. I like it. I know Pyo. He played in all my Mafia games I played before and you are right. This behavior of him is extremely different. He was a scary townie to play against. And now he is not as sharp as in his games before. I don't want to screw your good case by supporting it right now, because many people don't trust me right now.
If I get hang you may use this PM to support your case tomorrow.
sup.
Thing is, I don't think mafia would go through the trouble of preparing something like this. He later posted it in the thread too. Like this doesn't clear him at all, but I think it's more likely we hit scum by lynching the other candidates, especially redFF and Pyo
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I'll be on board the redFF or supersoft wagon. I find them both equally appealing candidates. Just please don't delay a whole night's worth of information just to find some crap about traitors WHO ARE NOT GOING TO BE CONTACTED BY MAFIA. They're all neutered right now, they can't do much to hurt the Town, they should not be the priority.
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So the argument is that me/supersoft give more information?
1.lynching for information is bad, we should be trying to lynch scum not for information.
2.lynching visceraeyes will now also give us information regarding the alignment of kav and cb.
He claimed goddamn traitor then said he lied, and many of the people currently not voting him have stated before that they like LAL. I cannot understand why anyone would want to not lynch VE.
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I agree Mafia are overall a bigger threat than Traitors.
But here we have traitor CLAIMS! Not just mere day 1 possible mafia slips.
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I disagree that they're of no use to mafia at this point. Even hobbled, they can still do analysis and make points as long as they're alive, and they're still motivated to win with mafia, whether acknowledged or not. They're a threat as long as they're alive. It's FINDING them that's the problem.
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also, pyo has disappeared :D
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On July 20 2011 09:15 Zona wrote:
I agree Mafia are overall a bigger threat than Traitors.
But here we have traitor CLAIMS! Not just mere day 1 possible mafia slips.
Why do we want to find out about Traitors so badly? It's like a 95% chance redFF is getting Vig'd tonight anyways. Why not lynch him so we have information regarding his flip sooner rather than later? His flip gives information pertaining to Mafia sooner, VE's flip is just going to tell us information about this Traitor business, but they're not important right now.
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Obligatory 5th post. This sucks but I'm at page 43 and I can't read the rest 'cause I have to sleep too.
The VisceraEyes lynch looks good. He claimed scum and that's pretty fucking bad I think. Noob defense might be very true with VisceraEyes but I don't really care that much. I'm gonna enjoy seeing this guy hang on day1.
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I think we get more info by lynching VE than supersoft
so
##unvote supersoft
##vote visceraeyes
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Also look everything I said about the VE lynch is coming true. All the active lurkers came out and voted for him cause it was the easiest bandwagon in the world to latch on to. There are for sure several scum in there. And now they're back to lurking and not voting because they would much rather go into Night with Town none the wiser about Mafia-related information.
Don't give that crap about only scumslips vs VE actually claiming, that's meaningless. Look, if VE dies and flips Town or Traitor, that STILL doesn't give us ANY information about Mafia. We're still back to trying to kill redFF or whoever else, they'll still die, we'll just be getting the information a whole cycle later.
Right now we either lynch redFF and find information about Mafia going into the Night for our Vigs to use and we send a bullet at one of the Traitors and delay that flip/information until next Day, or we lynch VE and find information about traitors going into the Night and redFF gets a bullet his way and we delay that Mafia-related information until the next Day.
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Going by the assumption the PM and the conversations are not fabricated.
All three 'exposed' II are playing terrible. They all made a mistake fishing for information and telling nobody of their plan as a backup. Now the question is at which stage of the game does this mistake seem more genuine.
Frankly, with all the evidence against VE in the thread, fishing for information by CreamyButter and Kav without a buddy system is a way worse move as a townie. The confession they would get from VE would not add nearly as much to the game as the potential confession of MirWiggles that VE would get. Also starting these conversations with so little proof (VE's case) makes more sense as a stupid townie, compared to starting the conversations with a lot of proof (CG/Kav) which makes more sense as an II.
I would really have liked to vote CB/Kav today, but I suppose it is too late to turn it around? CB has 1 vote Kav has 0.
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I'll go for lynching redFF now, so long as someone shoots VE tonight.
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On July 20 2011 09:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll go for lynching redFF now, so long as someone shoots VE tonight.
Yes, please. This is the ideal plan. This is best situation for Town. They are BOTH dying, we just want the Mafia-related flip FIRST.
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Curu/Wiggles can you read my post and explain why VE is a better shot than CB/Kav?
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what information will lynching me provide curu?
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Well since it is quite apparent that nobody is interested in voting for RoL I'm voting for red. Not only do I think he and RoL are scummy I'm also a vindictive prick.
On July 19 2011 10:35 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:
How is Coags list helpful? He rated me LOL. CUZ UR A JOKE
Suck it red.
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