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On June 29 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: Since when is the lynch between hiro and Drazerk? We are mid way through the day ffs. I like how you don't even explain how drazerk is scum in the first place. That goes for most people voting for him. The way this bandwagon is forming quickly I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake to kill him. Also I'd like to hear from GGQ and Opz. I'm not shy about killing vets day1 and will tunnel you forever if you don't start posting opinions in this thread. Tunnel me. I won't care... | ||
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On June 29 2011 19:25 Palmar wrote: This isn't VisceraEyes, he's much more like me in that he likes to shoot first and talk later. Nice, where is your research? I don't know, uncalled soft defense of GM, not much of a scumtell. point a, if there is anything VisEyes does well it's tunneling. This guy can put out ridiculous amount of pressure on people if he feels like it, but somehow the king of tunneling is now against that? It almost feels like a different person playing. Also, where is your case? You've posted enough in other games you're playing. Stop pretending to be reading and working when you're not about to deliver. I'm tuned. There is nothing on the radio. More soft defending GM, again, I just don't like the smell of this. I think VisceraEyes is scum So, here is my suggestion on what we do in the situation. VisceraEyes has basically contributed nothing to the discussion, but he has soft defended GM a couple of times. This is one of the times I'd say we have an excellent vigi target. If we shoot VisEyes and thus flip him, we have information on what could be the motivation behind his defense of GM, and we're rid of someone who repeatedly doesn't contribute and fails to deliver, and is scummy as hell. Seriously, I've played enough with this guy to know this is not his town play. If he was town he'd probably be trying to get me hanged or something, he'd at least be on a crusade. That's how he rolls. Did you notice his UNSIGHTLY and very useless banter on page 25? GM is guilty of these things too. Discussing previous games for NO REASON. Use it when you discuss meta...I'm getting sick of reading all these pages of garbage. I'm changing my vote to VE. | ||
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On June 29 2011 23:34 chaos13 wrote: Well here is what I have seen after waking up and reading through the past few pages of the thread. We start out with a bandwagon on Drazerk with seemingly no resistance. A DT dies, after he had been tunneling Drazerk. For some reason this convinces everyone to jump off of his bandwagon. MAJOR target deflection onto VisceraEyes, someone who it isn't likely TAA checked, based on his posts. Target deflection is a good way to resist a bandwagon without being obvious. On the VisceraEyes lynch, I see a bandwagon that is even faster and less resisted than Drazerks was. Let's also note that syllogism was gaining a fair number of votes before TAA died. So tell me, what real reason do you guys have for changing your votes off of Drazerk? What really changed when TAA died? Here is what I propose. A vig shoots Drazerk. We lynch syllogism or VisceraEyes. All three of these players have very good cases against them. Tomorrow a vig uses their lurker shot on ~OpZ~, a veteran player who has been lurking and is entirely aware of it, and doesn't seem to care about it. People have also brought up sinani206 again. After reading through his posts, he seems more like an inexperienced townie than a mafia. ....lmao...Look, I just want to lynch Sinani201, or 206, to make the thread easier to follow. And Chaos, go check me out in XLII....or almost any game actually....I'm pretty chill for the first day. But if a vig would like to vig me, plz, go ahead. I hadn't expected the game to start this soon, and this much posting to happen all in under 48 hours. And stop thinking I'm BC or Rol...Such flawed logic. I'm just catching up in the thread, but I'm not promising a huge post on anyone. It's too much of a clusterfuck. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice. syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you. Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3 DTCHEGMKC DT Check GM?, or Drazerk? is it a command? Was he actually breadcrumbing? Is this a coincidence....WE MAY NEVER KNOW. I'm fine lynching GM, while we all are bsing, but that can wait a few days I guess...Drazerk or VE is perfectly fine with me...unless someone wants to lynch a sinani.... | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same. *sigh* On June 30 2011 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:  QUIT IT. SERIOUSLY. You guys want to send messages back in forth with jokes, go outside the thread. Fuck, RoL...I almost miss the lurking. | ||
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On June 30 2011 04:43 Mig wrote: I don't want to really distract away from lynching VE but sinani's you guys are both ridiculously suspicious. Neither of you post very much and all your posts are completely useless. But you are obviously active because you respond as soon as someone targets you. The very definition of someone lurking. 206 you decided to vote for VE because he hadn't done any analysis. Where is your analysis? Have you actually done any analysis this entire game? And then there is this this post. This was completely nonsensical, there was absolutely no reason the IRC discussion would scare anyone from posting. It is like you are looking for an excuse to not contribute and help. I still think the case against VE is stronger but I think 206 would be a great vig shot. I don't think Vig's should be shooting Day 1. -_-....You want to see real time mafia? Caller game, Red Army mafia games, (Ace) World At War 1....Any game with a day vig...Shooting early is stupid, nonsensicle, a waste and ILL ADVISED. You need more information to make a solid decision. I'm mad you are even calling out saying ANYONE is a good vig shot, as NO ONE is a good vig shot, unless we wind up lynching a red on DAY ONE | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote: Wow... that is stupidly weak "I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why" The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command. Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well? Quick! Help me decide whether I vote to lynch you, or vote to lynch VE....I've been saying I was gonna vote VE for a good minute, but srsly looks like the DT breadcrumbed that he checked you. I didn't bold your name in the post I quoted, it was already bolded....I bolded the capped letters.... But it could be a coincidence, I can't make my mind up! Cuz in all likelihood you both could be town. It is day one...But a lot of talking has occurred over you and GM... GM, I want your opinion on ViscEyes.... | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made. He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on. ##Vote: Drazerk Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is: 1. Isn't playing to his town meta 2. Doesn't contribute I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change? Someone else had said that he matrys every game he is town before hand he said it himself iirc. You should seriously look into that if thats a primary reason of yours for voting him. Just saying. | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote: Back from camp, just caught up on the thread. First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target. Third: This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned. ...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot. | ||
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On June 30 2011 10:24 chaos13 wrote: Hmm. This is quite a dilemma. On one hand, I want to avoid lynching a DT. On the other, I think he is lying and scum. My first instinct is that Viscera is lying. Say we lynch Drazerk and he flips red, though. Mafia then have a confirmed DT to shoot or roleblock as they see fit. We lynch Viscera and he flips red, and scum gain nothing new. Either way viscera ends up dead or useless. I feel it is more likely that Drazerk is town than Viscera is, so I will leave my vote. Compulsive Vigilante(s) - be ready to use your shot as soon as day 2 begins before you have a chance to be killed or roleblocked if it turns out that Viscera flips DT. I say one-shot vigi's save their bullets, because this way the compulsives can put their shot to better use than they would otherwise. More to come... | ||
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On June 30 2011 10:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well this is interesting. I was pretty sure that Drazerk was likely to be red, until GM's posts made me start to doubt that his martyring was a strong tell. Don't know if that was intentional or not, but I'll just stick with my original vote on Drazerk now that visc has claimed DT. If he flips town, we just gun down Visc right after the flip. ~OpZ~ might be a good check for a detective too, as I remember him asking me to reconsider my Drazerk vote. Plz check me. I've been debating about GM all day, tbh. Anyone trying to lead is to be looked at CAREFULLY....I just remember someone else saying drazerk had done this in other games....that it's his "town" thing to do. I'll look for it when I get home and can use autopager to find it. I dunno. I realize on page 25 I mixed up VE and Varpulis...And VE's one liners, constant spam, have really been rubbing me. But it's really whatever. | ||
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On June 30 2011 10:59 gtrsrs wrote: OH and i wanted to add that ~opZ~'s catch on TheAwesomeAll's encrypted message (DT CHECK drazerk) was brilliant. i can't wait to see if TAA confirms that was intentional at the end of the game or if that was just wishful thinking by ~opZ~ Oh yea, Wiggles, lemme point this out, cuz i forgot I posted that. If you care to go look at that, TAA's post seemingly breadcrumbs DT CHECK DRAZERK....I pointed it out....So I dunno guy, but I don't feel I was really defending him. | ||
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On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote: Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit. The Lurker list: hyaach Mr Wiggles Opz Kenpachi GGQ aprudds Eiii Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm. That leaves: hyaach Mr Wiggles Opz Kenpachi Eiii Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot. Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz. I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability. GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! | ||
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That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always. | ||
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On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always. sry. Clarity. GM should of just claimed he was vig hit at the start of the game and tried to draw the scum hit. But he's apparently a nub vet. Sad face. And I dunno if I believe VE yet. I suppose we should wait til the 6 hours and make him state Varpulis' role....And Honestly....I don't care how varpulis feels about being role claimed for by VE. Varp should only verify if VE is right, and not state whether or not he likes the idea of his role being publicly said by someone else. If he says he is okay with it, he is likely just a townie and makes VE's possible guess that much easier. Although if he was MH, or medic, I see the problem.....@_@ Where's a bus drivet when you need one? | ||
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On July 01 2011 04:54 Palmar wrote: I don't trust YM, read up and see I suggested him for a DT check. And once again, I want to kill GMarshal. I want him dead and I stand by that notion. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But I outlined my reasons quite clearly in my analysis of his actions around and after the Drazerk lynch. But sure, you can come guns blazing at me. I'm at my best when under heavy pressure, that's why I'm putting myself in the driver's seat for this town. If you think Youngminii is scum, why don't you actually do something useful and try to prove to the rest of us he's scum? Same thing if you think I am scum. The first part of the Day should be all about figuring out who we are going after. If YM is scum, and you called it, but never got even close to getting him lynched, that doesn't make you right, it simply makes you a bad townie. Being right and being smart is useless if you can't actually turn that knowledge into something. Yes, yes...It's the lack of tact and sadly my failure of communicating that give me problems. I suck at pressing matters. Last game I had BC pegged from day 1, and shraft too. I posted about shraft even, but I didn't keep going, it was ignored by many. And my problem with YM is that I ALWAYS THINK HE IS SCUM. Every time he posts I want to find him and strangle him. And if you are mafia, of course you would want to kill GMarshal. I don't post a lot, I work 7 to 3 almost every day. The post I made earlier, saying to vote for him if you think he's scum? I was at work on my break when I posted it. I'm sorry it wasn't lengthy. If a vig would like to lurker hit me, he better do it today. I told you all I thought the game would start a few days further out, and that my activity would increase afterward. Kenpachi, where art thou? Lemme know if you're around. You too Jackal. | ||
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Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia.... Hi Jackal!!!!! | ||
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On July 01 2011 10:48 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that. Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia.... Hi Jackal!!!!! EBWOP: And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia.... Four minutes after, and this was followed by a few more posts + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2011 04:49 Jackal58 wrote: 1st I agree with your assertion that mafia cannot kill themselves. At least I have never been in a setup that allowed for it. But this is Ace's game so who the fuck knows. 2nd if BC is the only player hit tonight I still don't see how that would in any way indicate or confirm you are town. If scum and you both hit BC then BC is dead and you have your "mystery" bullet back. If only scum hit BC then that raises the probability of him telling the truth. Which means you are for some reason lying now which does town no good. If BC doesn't die the probability of you FB and BC all being scum or alternately batshit fucking insane goes through the roof. | ||
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On July 01 2011 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Hi OpZ. I think I was talking to you when you asked if I was around? So anyways I was around. If it wasn't apparent to you I can't help you. I believe the closest I came to defending him was calling him a derp. I saw too many people I thought were scummy voting for him. And the closest I have come to pushing GM was stating that if a Vig felt inclined to shoot him I had no problem with it. If you're butt hurt that i called you the scummiest of the lurkers get over it. I already told you that was to see the reactions of the others on the list. So far there has been none. Leads me to believe you're all a bunch of clueless townies. Wanna lynch me for it go ahead. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts. Now, now good sir, calling me butt hurt for accusing me? No. I'm saying that all out of what I've read. On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote: The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall. On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote: TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody. On June 30 2011 05:08 Jackal58 wrote: Nobody is an established anything until they flip. On Gmarshals absence. I do know he had vehicle problems last night. I was in a game he was hosting on another site last night and his day post was about an hour late. He made his daypost with an apology for being late I PMed him to find out which asshole killed me and he responded immediately with an apology and reason for being late He apparently has had an incident or accident of some sort. I haven't seen him online there of here since. This is not a defense of GM I'm just sharing what I know. Palmar you may lead whomever you wish but forgive me if I don't feel inclined to follow you. I still feel Sinani206 is the most likely to be scum out of all those that have been put forth. Bear in mind my success rate on naming scum on day 1 is about 20% My success rate at getting them lynched is even lower. Rest of the scum votes were on 206 too iirc On June 30 2011 05:43 Jackal58 wrote: Night phase? We ain't got not stinkin' night phase. And don't get me wrong Palmar. I'm not saying you're anti town. I'm not saying you're scum. I'm not saying anything about your alignment. I'm simply saying I have no faith in your ability to do anything other than shoot detectives. You actually have quite a few posts dedicated to...."technical" matters too.... That's why actually.... | ||
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On July 01 2011 12:21 Jackal58 wrote: Well Viscera. I think it's safe to disclose Varps role. Why do you think Varp was killed? lmao. | ||
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On July 02 2011 06:49 Eiii wrote: Sorry guys, today has been really busy for me-- since I probably won't be able to make it back again before the lynch tonight, I'm going to place my vote now. I still don't see the 201 reasoning. Yes, people have accused him, but I feel he got pressure put on him more because he's a spammy player that doesn't really do anything than that he had done anything particularly scummy (which I don't think he has). YM seems to have an aggressive style that might be easy to make look scummy in an analysis, so for me the jury's out on him for the time being. I'm going to stick to hiro, because he's someone I looked into a lot. I think he's a good lynch. ##vote hiro Good choice Bro. I'm voting Hiro. His instasheeping is bugging me...And I'd vote for YM, but I'm not voting 201 just yet. And seriously...VE being DT? How possible is that... | ||
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But Wiggles generally comes off scummy as hell....I mean, my read on him is scummy too...As a matter of fact, even that analysis he did earlier just gave me a terrible vibe. I think it was on Hiro. But I'm not sold, and would like some other people's opinions. Hence why I asked... | ||
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On July 02 2011 07:42 syllogism wrote: So you are saying you didn't send it after his martyring post? Please don't disappear this time, I've another question after this I'm gonna just assume Chaos checked you at some point. Anyway...I agree VisceraEyes is a good shot. | ||
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On July 02 2011 07:57 syllogism wrote: The mere fact how much he hates being in this thread is a testament to VE's scumness. If he was a DT, he would be in here answering questions immediately. I don't see how anyone could believe his reasoning behind the check, the time of the check, when he made the case and the fact he was willing to switch to another lynch to save himself despite the guilty check Shhh stop posting about him...It's not important anymore. =D | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:04 Kurumi wrote: ANOTHER EVENT ![[image loading]](http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/img/recent/news/yesman27.jpg) VisceraEyes the Mafia Goon has been found dead! Thanks for being around. | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:02 Palmar wrote: Looks like I actually missed a person on my potential leader chart day 1. I really like your style syllogism. And yes, it's totally insane. let's hear his report tomorrow. The cool part? He _doesn't_ tell us who he is investigating and he doesn't tell us the results until we're into the 6h before the lynch period, so he can't have his mafia buddies off the investigated person before we can call him out on the lie. But not tonight Tonight there shall be someone else hanging. I really would like you to stop posting....and possibly die. But I was more concerned in hitting 100% scum, not 70%....I think someone who can argue convincingly should take a look at you. Like YM, or Jackal. I can't. But you've wanted us to wait for VE for a while, and wanted me to hit GM all day. Fuck that. | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:07 GMarshal wrote: I applaud your brilliant defense. Would you care to perhaps spice it up with a couple insults too? I mean the guy *did* just make a decent case. Obviously he deserves your disdain. I do have to ask though, where is the gtrs that was 100% confident in his reads I saw in SNMMIV? Other than the very popular and indubitably wrong "GM is scum" I have yet to see you have any strong convictions. Hell I have yet to see you add anything to the conversation. My scumdar is tingling. Anyway, we are consolidating our votes right now, and I don't really have time to write a case on you that actually integrates what I saw in other games as compared to this one, but the obvious differences are there, for anyone with the patience to read. I'll take care of you tomorrow, if I have time. Voting for YM now, I agree that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. Also, who was scum for wanting to lynch the dt again? OHHH RIGHT, ME. This is *why* we lynch the DT first. Imagine if chaos *hadn't* been shot, we'd still be arguing about how VE is "our dt hope" Yes...But we probably wouldn't of lynched Drazek then either...@_@ | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:10 Hyaach wrote: I agree its too much of a coincidence for VE's result. But if he isnt shot tomorrow by the mafia, we either have a bad medic or his just not a target for mafia. @gtrsrs you dont see to have too much of a problem jumping into any bandwagon. Is GM next on the mafia lynching plate? You're only analysis was a reply to YM after your supposedly sarcastic reply to 201's post. In which you discussed about GM again. Wiped mud on Palmar's pretty pro-town play by not taking a clear stance and leave his alignment hanging in suspense . And then lastly try to help VE get a firm solid hold on his DT claim YOU GET POPPED TOMORROW!!!!!!! | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:11 Palmar wrote: Go back to day 1 and check why VE was up for this whole thing anyway. (what's that, was it my aggressive push and analysis towards him that got him to fake that roleclaim in the first place?) But anyway, nice shot Opz. Good point...I was with you too tho...He was spamming. It was bugging me. What's it to you?! I just haven't seen you posting like you were at VE since then. Time draining my memory away. No one's been pressuring, and I've been away most of the day. Atleast now, I think I'll be left alone about this lurking shit -_-....*afk next 32 hours* | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:11 GMarshal wrote: Sure. Keep telling yourself that. But people were listening to him, no one doubted his report on Visc. So tell me, how does your argument that I am scum based on wanting to lynch the DT stand now? Does it look... weaker? What are the arguments for me being scum now? Other than defending Drazek, which I will admit was a blunder on my part. Again, I'm cool with confirm shooting me tomorrow, but at least this makes the majority of the arguments against me null and void. No....You get Comp vig'd tomorrow. Hush your face. Matter of fact, you might make lurker list tonight, so I might shoot you myself. LETS LOOK AT THIS SITUATION WILL WE?! 1 mafia up for lynch - newb another mafia up for lynch - fake claims DT Gmarshal -being god father- "LETS LYNCH THE DT, MAKE SURE HE'S DT" knowing the DT is scum and that the action basically *confirms* Drazek, or at least creates doubt, THE SCUM THAT WAS BUDDYING HIM ALL DAY....Ya dig? | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:23 gtrsrs wrote: mafia shot viscera i'm calling it right now also surprise surprise GMarshal pops back in from his real life dilemma to try to start a late bandwagon my scumbell lost some of its confidence when i pushed for a lynch on Xedat on a scumtell i was 100% sure of and he flipped green was hyaach's case really decent? really? i don't think so. all he did was highlight my short posts and go LOOK SCUM. i retain that i haven't done anything remotely scummy this game and all my actions have been pro-town note that i'm not counter-accusing him. i don't think he's scum, just overeager townie anyways i'm 100% sure GMarshal is scum, still. he's trying to prod me into insulting him so i get modkilled. it's exactly the same way aprudds got me riled up in SNMMIV and derailed the town. GMarshal was the moderator so he is just trying to repeat the same tactic. but where aprudds was just misreading something, GMarshal is doing it intentionally to derail town. *yawn* Hey, you were defending me earlier...I appreciate it, n all, but if you're scum you knew I was town. =D Oh, can I get a MEDIC?! | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:26 gtrsrs wrote: wait i'm just reading ~opZ~'s posts are you claiming vigi then? x_x and you're claiming the hit on VE? nice shot but why haven't you shot GM yet? ...I don't need to answer why I haven't shot GM yet. I didn't want to shoot GM. It was that simple. I'm not sold on him being scum. Now stop asking me about it. I've claimed VIG already. I've claimed hitting VE. I hit Scum with my hit. Are you telling me hitting Veteran is better than hitting Scum? You people are ridiculous. I didn't waste me hit and you question me for it. The Comp Vig can hit him tomorrow. | ||
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On July 02 2011 08:32 gtrsrs wrote: actually come to think of it if the mafia hit VE who was under a ton of pressure anyways then claimed vig they would be trying to lure the real vig out so they could snipe him immediately tomorrow morning so i think if you are the real vig (which would mean ~opZ~ is lying) then you shouldn't claim not that i expect this scenario but that's what should happen if that's the case LMAO....Dude...Gtfo... I claimed it instantly, AND I HIT RED. But here. Just to make you hush about mechanics: Can Mafia hit another Mafia Member? | ||
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On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that? ...Scum is either YM, or someone very low key...i.e. we'll be looking at the medics anyway (hypothetically) I just assume we have medics? It was a thirty player game, so far with 2 vig's, a hatter, a comp vig, and (assuming YM is right) another hatter. He's going to suicide today, lowering the player base again. Me and the other vig both have lurker hits left, 2 more hits, plus our lynch....we have enough KP to find that mafia. | ||
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On July 02 2011 14:45 GMarshal wrote: I dont understand how it helps. Say two medics claim and one is scum. How do you tell from that? Look at his posts. Analyze him. Kill one. I don't think we wont be able to kill...-_-...Jeez, we're just looking for one person out of 17 or 18.... I'm confirmed Vig killed drop bear YM is gonna blow up himself Medics claiming would just shrink the pool of players to look through, because we don't need any protections to win.... I don't see how this is a problem. We would need 8 mislynches to lose if YM didn't blow up.... | ||
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On July 02 2011 14:57 GMarshal wrote: Fair enough, I just don't really see the advantages to the whole medics claiming thing, but we can run with it. What are you going to do if no medics claim? Eh? hang someone and possibly shoot someone. | ||
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On July 03 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote: The scum team should just concede instead of making us waste time on this Agreed. If he thinks he can go 8 days without being found out...Well...that's hilarious. Cuz I really don't mind lynching anyone. It'll take 3/4 days just to kill all the people "confirmed" if there is a medic that's refusing to claim, it'll take even longer, because he should be protecting myself and/or the other vig. I seriously should probably go read who claimed it again. Gmarshal is two hits to kill... -__- | ||
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On July 03 2011 02:10 Palmar wrote: Sinani201 claimed it and got hit Kinda sucks, that he got killed before the lurker list was produced so he couldn't use his hit. Like, you would be dead now too OpZ, without the chance to shoot today, if the mafia had 2kp. This is something that probably should be taken care of for the future, cause I really like the anti-lurker mechanic. Just make sure no one can die until the list has been produced, and of course get it up slightly faster. Don't get me wrong, huge thanks to the hosts and their helpers for doing this, just a suggestion for the future. Anyway, yes, I'd be grateful if the mafia spared us several days of wifom and just conceded. Oh....Sry, been looking at the OP, not the rest of thread.was a nice fucking graph from him....lmao... | ||
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And GTRSRS, townies don't want to die for town....They want to live...But no body should be caring about dying at this point because the games in the bag...Your posting a lot more, and its becoming useless.... | ||
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On July 04 2011 01:56 hiro protagonist wrote: Yea, shoot me. I'm pleased with how this game went and sad that I did not have time to be apart of it  all of my suspects have flipped scum so I am feeling good about my observation skills. Just like my previous posts, I have very little time and this will be my last post for the day. I will vote for who I think is the last mafia (I wish they would just conseed, unless palmar really is scum, cus I think he is the only One left that could win this for them, IMO)##Vote: Mig going with this | ||
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On July 04 2011 04:52 Mig wrote: Huh? Why do you want me to be complacent with being lynched? If someone wants to throw a random vote on me with no reasoning there isn't any point to defending myself. But if someone wants to make a case against me why wouldnt I counter it? You've been lurking. Hiro has been attempted bus by every mafia...Voting for him seems counter productive, ya dig? You, Hyaaach, Palmar, YoungMinii are my mafia suspect list. And RoL, if I die before my extra vig hit is an option -_-.... | ||
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On July 02 2011 06:13 Cthsazsa wrote: This whole argument about whether ViscEyes is a DT or not is major WIFOM that's cluttering up the thread, especially with the one-liners. He's not getting lynched today, he's going to help us determine who's red and who's green. I'm sure that everyone realizes he could be lying about his results, and that's obviously going to be taken into account. I actually believe that he is a DT. The only reason VE didn't completely out Varp was because his check returned blue. Why the hell is this still a controversial issue? Right now we need to be discussing possible lynches for today. Another good hit....Like Palmar, wanted discussion of VE to subside. On July 01 2011 19:10 Palmar wrote: By the way, on a completely unrelated note. I re-read everything by chaos13 I could find, but at this point I don't think he's scum. But given it's based on my analysis, this probably just means he's not a cop. Probably town Supersoft (replacement for sinani206) Cthsazsa Mig chaos13 Eiii VisceraEyes Null read gtrsrs Mataza (replaced aprudds) youngminii Jackal58 Vain ~OpZ~ Could be scum GMarshal Hyaach hiro protagonist Sinani201 AKA Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles syllogism This is just based on quick observation of the current state of the game. Note that I've listed like 6 possible scum, which obviously is never going to be correct. I'm particularly interested in Hiro Protagonist (who was accused early by now known mafia, but then just disappeared) and Mr. Wiggles (who wrote a pretty damning analysis of Hiro Protagonist). Note VE being on his "Probable Town list" On July 01 2011 18:01 Palmar wrote: I agree with almost everything that has been said so far. Great job Varpulis. About the GM thing. It's extremely unfortunate that he hasn't been shot. What he's posting right now seems genuine, but it also isn't help the town any way. There are still way too may loose ends, and as some of us have noted, part of his posting looks like his typical mafia death. I would be all for confirming him town because he is a great asset for us if he is on our side. I have great respect for GM as player. But there is simply no way we're letting him live through the game without confirming him. He has pulled way too many scummy things to do it. Yes, there are several things that point towards him being innocent, but so are there quite a few very incriminating things. It's by far the worse alternative, but he has to hang. I still strongly oppose using DT checks on the lurker list. Do you really think we have multiple mafia in there VisceraEyes? But yes, us not having a one-shot vigilante would make perfect sense, seeing the lack of shots into the lurker list. We're doing great, let's keep on track. Wiggles's points about the effect of Varp's death on VE's alignment are completely correct. This does not tell us anything about it. But at the moment I think VE is still a nice gamble for the town to trust. So we're not changing anything. Reasons to distrust palmar is he kept siding with Wiggles....I don't remember who pushed to lynch Wiggles though, could easily of been Palmar....lmao... On July 02 2011 06:11 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE requires more discussion at present. I agree with everything Mr. Wiggles just said, so let's leave his advice he final point of the discussion. Now I want to direct everyone to two very important posts in today's discussion. 1. Syllo's analysis of youngminii http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=47#927 2. My accusation and sinani206's analysis on his twin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514 If people are still doubting youngminii is a great lynch candidate, then I'd like to point out that sandroba and chaos13 both suspected him. In addition Cthsazsa who is very likely pro-town has pointed a finger his way. Sandroba happens to be one of our better analysts, and chaos13 is a good solid player. So it's not just syllo who is pushing that lynch. Sinani201 is being accused by his twin, myself, sandroba pointed out the analysis was excellent at the time. There are other links. GM and Kenpachi (along with myself) both commented on how that analysis on 201 was only done when being pressured. But with chaos13's breadcrumbs, I don't think 206 (or supersoft, now) is scum. So let's hear it town, should we lynch YM or sinani201? Again, agreeing with Wiggles, and pushing YM or Sinani, WHO were both mafia targets....By Wiggles and VE On July 02 2011 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: :O NOOOOOOOOO That means I'm in all likelihood the last DT...no pressure or anything. @syllo and everyone concerned about the timing of my Draz check The fact of the matter is that I didn't SAVE my check, I checked him about an hour after I first could. The reasoning was based on meta, admittedly. Remember what I said about martyrs? I followed SNMMIV because SNMMII was my first game here and I bore witness to his little ploy in that game. I didn't like it then, in spite of him being town all along. I thought he might try the same nonsense in this game so I wanted to find out his alignment RIGHT off the bat. Not much of a reason, but there isn't much of a reason to do anything that early in the game...from what I gather, blues typically have to wait until after d1 to make any checks, which is AMPLE time to have sufficient reason to check someone. Also, regarding my Kenpachi vote, I've played a couple of games with this guy and I've read some too...he's active when town, to the point of annoyance sometimes. I guess I just missed the guy. It was really just a pressure vote, but I felt it was justified because of his inactivity / presence on the lurker list. If he was still on the lurker list tomorrow, he was my #1 priority to check. 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On July 04 2011 08:34 Palmar wrote: yep OpZ, I was the one who pushed the Wiggles lynch. People can be right even if they're scum  And yes, I have made mistakes. You see, when you put yourself in a position like I willingly took upon myself, you will fuck up. There is no one who plays the game perfectly Just like everyone who is trying to get me lynched are about to screw up pretty badly. I want the town to take a long good hard look at the people who are pushing this, as anyone with half a brain can tell I'm town. ...Yes...Look at the people pursuing your lynch...Half of us our confirmed...I have yet to vote you, I just posted a bunch of reasons to suspect you. -_- You didn't notice that? You took that kind of....drastic.. And don't get me wrong, if we lynch you and you're town I'd consider Jackal.... We've lived without this lurker mechanic before, living with it now should not be a problem. Quit your bitching guys. (and yes, i understand half the suspicious people we have are in the lurker list) MEDIC, if your out there, I would like to introduce myself. My name is OpZ. Plz protect me. | ||
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On July 04 2011 08:49 Hyaach wrote: Why are you not a good kill? I'm very Advocating your extermination. What have you done, and why should I not kill you?With a few hours left and no plan in sight, are we all going to get modkilled? I'll place my placeholder vote on Eiii . I'm fine with lynching him today. But if YM doesn't suicide by tomorrow, him and GM are next on my plate. I'm willing to let Palmar slide when there's better lynch | ||
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On July 04 2011 08:57 syllogism wrote: Well I reread the thread and nothing really stood up. Meta points to the last one being some stubborn veteran, but none of them really make sense as the last scum. I think I'll have to vote GGQ or Eiii today. I don't think, however, we'll be hitting mafia today. YM should be allowed to post his actions tomorrow no matter what, so if he gets sniped early, the flip should be delayed until his actions are in. Vote GGQ. | ||
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On July 04 2011 09:13 Palmar wrote: yep, I changed my mind. I think you're the scum. But hey, according to Jackal and GMarshal you should be thrilled to die if you're town, sacrificed for the greater good. You don't think Jackal and YoungMinii will be able to get GM lynched if they tried? Or GM and YM lynch Jackal, of GM and Jackal lynch YM?! SERIOUSLY, we do not need to argue about this. ONE will die tomorrow to mafia. Between the three of them there will be enough to lynch. -_-...PLUS to GM and YM's benefit, they both claimed roles that could confirm, deny one another. | ||
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Eiii YM GMarshal Mataza Hyaach Jackal ______ Palmar, Mataza, Hyaach, YM (should be dead), GM (should be confirmed), Jackal. YM's been away most of the day clearly...I can't wait for him to get back to be honest. I'd look at the people pressing his lynch (besides myself) while he was away. | ||
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On July 04 2011 18:51 Mig wrote: Edit - besides opz who like I said was still going to be my biggest obstacle by far for winning. Still had my lurker shot, and if you came guns blazing and started posting, I would of been at you...I had already announced suspicion of you, if you recall. | ||
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On July 04 2011 18:50 Mig wrote: No I had no intention of sniping suspicious players. There was no way I was touching gm/jackal/palmar/GGQ. Unless I felt like the town had sided with them and trusted them. I wasn't sure what order I had for killing besides you/supersoft but if I killed you, ym suicides kills jackal, gm and palmar get lynched then there is pretty much no vocal good townies left. And that scenario seemed quite reasonable really. And I really don't think you would have convinced YM to confirm GM like 95% he was just going to suicide on whomever he thought was the best target. Not to mention the only one I was truely suspicious of was YM....Fact of the matter is you would of had to deal with one of YM, GM, Palmar, or Jackal through lynch...@_@...it'd of been tough fought Mig...But I don't deny your effort, and possibility of being successful. | ||
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On July 05 2011 02:50 Palmar wrote: Combination of talented blue roles, hard working village, good town atmosphere and a fuckton of luck. ...Lmao...TAA, you owe me a beer for finding your bread crumb. And whoever quoted it/linked it..I think Palmar, idk, maybe jackal, cuz I wouldn't of seen it if it wasn't for that link to it in the thread. | ||
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