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On June 29 2011 11:18 Sinani201 wrote: Ingocnito was co-hosting XLII. Are you sure you're thinking of the right game? oops. I was thinking of XL. Lurkers lost the town for XLII, plain and simple.
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well, to elaborate, plans fucking up and lurkers lost the game for town. ilovejonn wasn't spamming. He was caught in a shitty bandwagon that got started early and gained loads of votes from lurkers voting for the guy with the most votes.
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On June 29 2011 11:56 chaos13 wrote: I'm beginning to agree about Drazerk, but there are a few questions I have regarding that: 1. How do we know he is just not noob town? Has he played much before? 2. Why is there no resistance to his lynch party? 3. If he is mafia, you would think his scumbuddies would be helping him improve his posting.
1. He has played two games, XLII and SNMM IV. In SNMM IV at least, he martyred every day. He should know by now that it's terrible play, especially if you look at how far it got him in SNMM IV (the town wasted loads of time arguing about whether or not to lynch him instead of doing productive things because he refused to fight the lynch, and instead said, repeatedly "I'll show you how wrong you were when I flip!"
2. Ask me again in 12 hours.
3. WifoM. "no scum would post this terribly" is a very poor argument. Especially when we're dealing with somebody with a town meta to give up as soon as he's pressured. There's a reason I fear the day when Kenpachi rolls mafia.
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On June 29 2011 12:36 Palmar wrote: I'm not dropping my case against syllo because he asked a question about how to submit actions.
That's stupid. He could just as well be a red that didn't realize he could ask his scumteam.
He is at the moment the scummiest player in the game in my opinion. One of the things that sucks about it is the fact that Hiro agrees with me, but hiro promised us an analysis on syllo that still hasn't showed up.
Also, VisceraEyes keeps promising to deliver something good, but has yet failed to do so. If you aren't going to contribute, stop saying you're going to contribute.
Upon re-reading his big post about role analysis, I have to agree with sandroba. That post is very detrimental to the scumteam, because the guidelines and suggestions in it equate to strong blue play, in my opinion. Mafia would have no motivation to make a post like that, not even to gain town cred, because the risks outweigh the possible benefits. His play is very similar to his town play in XLII, iirc. (WifoM, I know, but something to take into account)
Also, the bolded line is really not plausible. "He didn't realize that he could ask his scumteam?" Really? Frankly, you're trying to push a lost cause with poor logic and improbable situations at this point.
What do you think about Drazerk? The case against him is stronger, and he has decided to fucking give up (I.e. not contribute so that nobody has anything to consider and make conclusions from except a fictional connection with GMarshal when/if he flips scum). Are you considering that evidence proving how town he is?
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On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote: Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM.
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On June 29 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:06 Varpulis wrote:On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote: Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM. yah, exactly, this is wifom. I can paste the IRC logs? But how about you look at the evidence at hand, the fact that he has posted almost exclusively blanket statements, the fact that he OMGUS'd me without the balls to put a vote on me with it, the fact that his defense relies on some analysis of mechanics that anyone wanting town credit could've done. I'd much rather you look at what I said in the post I voted against him and judged him on that. Bloody hell, you just don't stop, do you? Could you actually go read that big post about mechanics, and honestly tell me if you, as a mafia member, would post that just to gain town cred?
I'll wager that I've read through syllogism's posts more than you have. I have concluded that he is town from those posts. Frankly, in my opinion it is wise to be patient in the early part of the game. Most analyses are weak, and most bandwagons terrible. Cautious != scummy, not in the first 24 hours. You also wave off all of his contributions to the discussion as blanket statements, thus invalidating any possible defense. It's enough for pressure, which is what I assumed it was, but not sufficient reason to lynch. There, I responded to your request to look through his posts "analysis."
Now let's look through your posting history shall we? What do we find? A bunch of blanket statements about lurkers and lurking blues, meta (regarding sinani and DropBear), and then a lot of tunneling.
Stop being a hypocrite please.
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@Youngminii Never assume that just because somebody has a blue role they know how to use it. History shows that blues do some pretty stupid shit.
I'm off to bed. See you all tomorrow, unless I die in my sleep.
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Back from camp, just caught up on the thread.
First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists.
Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target.
Third: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference.
I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned.
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. EBWOP: If Drazerk flips town, this is something to look at. If he's scum it's all cool, but it's still a terrible fluff post that looks like a contribution at first glance but isn't actually.
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On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:Back from camp, just caught up on the thread. First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. Second, on Drazerk: I'm glad to see that he's not given up completely yet. If I may make a suggestion, any compulsive vig that we've got should shoot him. If he's town, we get to lynch somebody else, with additional information from his flip, and if he's scum, it's a win-win situation. If you're a normal vig with one shot, keep it holstered, but if you need to shoot, there's your target. Third: On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote: You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? This post is really bad, to the point of being scummy. "Don't listen to him, because he's leading the lynch, which means he's scum." Just taking note of that, for later reference. I'm going to look through the posts of VisceraEyes and Drazerk, and make my decision for who to lynch in a little bit. Stay tuned. ...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot. did you not read the piece about regular vig's not shooting? Compulsive vig's have to shoot. I think that Drazerk is a perfect person to take that shot. There is no night phase. Go read the setup, please.
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oops, compulsive vigs can't shoot 'till day two. I need to read the setup too, evidently.
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Compare and Contrast time!
Drazerk
Why is he scum?
1. General safety of his posts. + Show Spoiler + I'm not going to quote examples of this, because it's subtle, but many of his posts are too reserved. One not-so-subtle example exists, however. On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything. On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote: I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though. Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote? You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that . Also you are playing so defensive On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote: Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference. what was that post about, who is accusing you? FoS list hiro GM syllogism Drazerk
YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance. Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes. Discussion derailed. As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia, But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynchedDrazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia? How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. 2. Referencing past games to explain bad play. + Show Spoiler +He defends his conservative posting and his martyring by saying "I was town in those games, and I did the same thing." That is a WifoMy and scummy argument/defense, in my opinion. 3. Martyring.
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VisceraEyes
1. He posts useless spam/fluff to appear to be contributing. + Show Spoiler +Examples: On June 28 2011 13:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I see both sides of making lists. The discussion it generates is a definite plus for town, if it's focused the right way. YM, you referenced the Zodiac List from XLII...what you didn't take into account was that after he posted the Zodiac List, BC didn't guide the discussion after it...making it bad for town. He used the fact that no one uses the list properly to his advantage. Had he been town, he likely would have guided discussion properly, and it likely would have been more of a help for town.
There are a lot of likelies in that statement, and I'm well aware of it, tyvm. That's just my opinion.
Conversely, when abused, the Zodiac Lists DO tend to clutter up the thread. goes nowhere On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned.
arguing about nothing important at all On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: @GM
At any rate, 201 is correct, Palmar DID /out before the game started. He'll either be Mod-killed or replaced before Day 2, I totally forgot.
Aside from adding LSB to the vet list, which Wiggles already suggested, I have no problems with your list. :D
NOW
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying? useless On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote: :O
I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.
Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people.
I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but.... references something that never comes, random tangent, very little actual content On June 28 2011 16:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, the thing is he's right in theory. They have to trade in their 1 DT check for their 2 lurker checks unless I'm mistaken. That's 1 less DT check town has in its arsenal, right? stating the obvious. The list goes ever on, but i'm not going to keep quoting it 2. promising to post analysis, but never posting it. + Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1.
Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE.
I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading.
Ciao! On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned! On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.
Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.
Back to reading. -.- Nothing came of this until he was called out for not delivering the promised content. 3. The promised content is just parroting what everybody else has been saying about Drazerk.
4. refusing to defend himself properly or at all
Conclusion. Frankly, a lot of the reasons that Drazerk could be scum boil down to (very)poor play, whereas VisceraEyes is playing with scummy motives: join the easy bandwagons, pretend to contribute, don't stick your neck out without reason. Taking into account the weakness of the wagon on drazerk (people joined because he was the only wagon at the time), the lack of initial resistance, and the meta reads that have been omitted from my lists of reasons due to the air of WifoM surrounding them, I will be voting for VisceraEyes.
##vote VisceraEyes
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I'll buy the roleclaim. Drazerk's as good a lynch as viscera would have been anyways, no use lynching a claimed dt.
GMarshal, what the hell are you talking about? Maybe in a closed setup like CCM, but here? I also love how the logic is taken from ace when he was scum. it's cool scum logic. Nobody listen to him please.
##unvote VisceraEyes ##vote Drazerk
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On June 30 2011 13:06 GMarshal wrote: The lack of firepower aimed at me so far is disappointing. Its been 5 whole minutes and no one has shot me? maybe the vig's are all european, bro.
Yo ROL, where's that lurker list?
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On June 30 2011 13:27 sandroba wrote: Okay, check Varpulis. Vigs shoot Vain and DropBear. I hope you are here still viscera. I am being checked for voting for VisceraEyes before his claim, correct?
What do you guys think of Lanaia's posting? It's giving me a weird feeling. Maybe I'm just overtired.
With that, I'm off to bed. I'll see all you guys tomorrow, unless of course I die. That would be a major downer, and I'd have to relieve stress by trolling the players in Paranoid Mafia. I ask the mafia to let me live, for their sake. =P
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I'm cool with confirming or denying Viscera's check.
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I've got some issues with Lanaia's posting. It's quite apologetic, and he is constantly making excuses in case somebody has a problem with his posts. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 13:01 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. It feels weird to have FoS' this early in the game. Is it really that possible to get a read on anyone at this stage in the game? I mean, maybe that's how you roll, even with people whose metas and playstyles you don't know. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It just seems strange that anyone can have a read they feel solid enough to place a FoS on at this stage in the game. On June 28 2011 13:07 Lanaia wrote: I'm actually legitimately confused when it comes to strategies involving the lurker list. Logically, I cannot fathom how one would be possible without outing everything we want to have kept hidden. Personally, I think it isn't a good idea and I will probably not take part in that, given it occurs. I am not good at planning and having a group planned with me. (Especially not with people I have never played with before)
I find what RoL just posted very interesting. I am curious to see how this will work. On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote: All right, so sorry I've been away since last night. Today has been busier than expected. The LSB kill doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I suppose yes, he was kind of obviously town.
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On June 29 2011 05:02 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote: sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip? I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town. I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry. On June 29 2011 13:28 Lanaia wrote: Guys I really suck at posting in an aesthetically pleasing manner. I am very sorry for that. On June 30 2011 15:05 Lanaia wrote: I'm really sorry for my lack of activity in the past few hours. I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike.
I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus?
He's explaining away things that nobody is asking him about (activity) and apologizing for mistakes with almost every other post. He's buddying up with pro-town players (wiggles, Palmar) and agreeing with them to try to appear more town himself.
I'm not confident that he's scum, but i'm quite suspicious at this point.
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On July 01 2011 05:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 05:37 Varpulis wrote:I've got some issues with Lanaia's posting. It's quite apologetic, and he is constantly making excuses in case somebody has a problem with his posts. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 13:01 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. It feels weird to have FoS' this early in the game. Is it really that possible to get a read on anyone at this stage in the game? I mean, maybe that's how you roll, even with people whose metas and playstyles you don't know. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It just seems strange that anyone can have a read they feel solid enough to place a FoS on at this stage in the game. On June 28 2011 13:07 Lanaia wrote: I'm actually legitimately confused when it comes to strategies involving the lurker list. Logically, I cannot fathom how one would be possible without outing everything we want to have kept hidden. Personally, I think it isn't a good idea and I will probably not take part in that, given it occurs. I am not good at planning and having a group planned with me. (Especially not with people I have never played with before)
I find what RoL just posted very interesting. I am curious to see how this will work. On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote: All right, so sorry I've been away since last night. Today has been busier than expected. The LSB kill doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I suppose yes, he was kind of obviously town.
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On June 29 2011 05:02 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote: sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip? I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town. I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry. On June 29 2011 13:28 Lanaia wrote: Guys I really suck at posting in an aesthetically pleasing manner. I am very sorry for that. On June 30 2011 15:05 Lanaia wrote: I'm really sorry for my lack of activity in the past few hours. I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike.
I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus? He's explaining away things that nobody is asking him about (activity) and apologizing for mistakes with almost every other post. He's buddying up with pro-town players (wiggles, Palmar) and agreeing with them to try to appear more town himself. I'm not confident that he's scum, but i'm quite suspicious at this point. He is a she and I still think she made a scum slip regarding kenpachi on day 1. Duly noted.
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On July 01 2011 06:46 supersoft wrote: Lanaia is quite cute :D If she were a dude I'd vote for her immediately with all the excuses all the time in every single post.
wtf is this? Weakest fucking excuse ever. Ignore gender. Lanaia is a player in this game. She isn't cute for all of her excuses, she's scum trying to get on the good side of the town and stay under the radar.
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w00t one of my bombs hit scum! I feel so proud of myself. Sorry Lanaia.
gogogo win this one town!
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