Real Time Mafia

On June 29 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:

The better targets day 1 I think are guys like Jackal who aren't contributing and are playing out of character or someone like Eiii who promises to be pro town and contribute his thoughts then goes right back to lurking without actually providing any content.



No no active definitely does not just equal town, but I mean in general I would prefer to lynch someone less active day 1 because as long as GM is alive he is going to be active and so we are going to have a ton of information to use to determine whether he is town or mafia.

Hm I do agree though that GM's case against you is incredibly weak. But I will wait to see how he follows up on it before instantly declaring him scum for it.

I will say that If GM continues with just posting pro town advice and not any actual good analysis and scum hunting I would be willing to change my opinion about him.

On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:


What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so...

On June 29 2011 06:29 GGQ wrote:
Havent followed this thread at all, will be back later tonight with a post, I hope.

I'm not mafia, though.

On June 29 2011 08:11 syllogism wrote:
I already stated that Drazerk is suspicious and if the lynch was to be held right now, I would be voting for him. I will be looking through more post histories tomorrow and vote accordingly. There are a lot of players who haven't been contributing anything at all while obviously being present (jackal for one has been posting one liners that aren't even game related) and he doesn't always play like that, so he is definitely one I will be paying more attention to. Sinani206's play is different from his town play in XLII, but he is also new so I'm not sure if that meta is helpful.

On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him

that's all you need

On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote:


Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different.

Use analysis, not assumption.

On June 30 2011 02:03 Palmar wrote:


Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later.

So wait all you need, but don't wait too long.

And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green.

On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?

On June 30 2011 05:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so looking at the people who are up for lynching right now, drazerk looks like the scummiest by far, because of the major slip he made.

He not only martyred, but he martyred, and then about three posts later in the thread, he pointed out how he did the same thing as town. At first I though he might have been terrible town, but the fact that he explicitly states that he does the same thing as a townie looks scummy as all hell to me. Just a last ditch response to pressure that he reacted badly to, in my eyes. Ad on his weird flopping with GM and his attack on Sinani, and that's good enough for me to lynch on.

##Vote: Drazerk

Also, could someone explain the case on visc to me better? I'm not too too familiar with his play in other games, but it looks like the case on him is:

1. Isn't playing to his town meta
2. Doesn't contribute

I don't think that's enough for me to be comfortable lynching on, because looks a lot like he's just lazy. How does he normally act that makes this such a jarring change?

On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot.

On June 30 2011 07:22 Lanaia wrote:
Also, is it just me or does it look like several people will be modkilled for not voting?

On June 30 2011 08:16 sinani206 wrote:


Between VisceraEyes and Drazerk, who do you find more scummy?

On June 30 2011 23:26 syllogism wrote:
Don't this big games usually have 2 DTs? Seems like an extremely risky bus

On July 01 2011 00:41 Palmar wrote:
lol, that's convenient.

I wonder what propped that shot, youngminii and I pointing in his direction?

Go town, lol

On June 30 2011 23:12 Palmar wrote:
@Vain

I still think DropBear might be one of our scum, he's playing almost exactly like I remember his scumplay from ptp, he completely rule out the Drazerk lynch but liked both VE and Sinani206 lynch.

He's pointing fingers in all directions, he's called GMarshal, Eiii, Mig, Sinani206 all scum, and even in the same post. This is a great way to look like you're contributing while not commiting to anything because he knows, just as well as we know, that you're never going to get anything done unless you commit to it.

@youngminii

I quickly ctrl+f-ed my way through the thread, and I'm inclined to agree with you on mig for now. let's leave him off the hook for now.

On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Do an analysis of me plz!!!

PRETTY PLZ!!!!

On July 01 2011 05:37 Varpulis wrote:
I've got some issues with Lanaia's posting. It's quite apologetic, and he is constantly making excuses in case somebody has a problem with his posts.
+ Show Spoiler +

He's explaining away things that nobody is asking him about (activity) and apologizing for mistakes with almost every other post. He's buddying up with pro-town players (wiggles, Palmar) and agreeing with them to try to appear more town himself.

I'm not confident that he's scum, but i'm quite suspicious at this point.

On July 01 2011 10:48 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that.

Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....

Hi Jackal!!!!!

On July 01 2011 11:36 GMarshal wrote:


I'd love to, but shit hit the fan IRL and I simply can't focus on mafia right now. I want to become confirmed so I can replace with a clear conscience that the person who gets my spot isn't anally fucked, otherwise I would have already replaced, I just don't want to throw the poor replacement to the lions.

One of Opz, Palmar and YM is probably scum though. I'm leaning towards palmar, but I haven't analyzed him or anything, so I really can't judge.

Sorry guys when I signed up none of the shit that is going on was projected/expected/supposed to happen.

On July 02 2011 06:11 Palmar wrote:
I don't think VE requires more discussion at present. I agree with everything Mr. Wiggles just said, so let's leave his advice he final point of the discussion.

Now I want to direct everyone to two very important posts in today's discussion.

1. Syllo's analysis of youngminii

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&currentpage=47#927

2. My accusation and sinani206's analysis on his twin

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10085514


If people are still doubting youngminii is a great lynch candidate, then I'd like to point out that sandroba and chaos13 both suspected him. In addition Cthsazsa who is very likely pro-town has pointed a finger his way.

Sandroba happens to be one of our better analysts, and chaos13 is a good solid player.

So it's not just syllo who is pushing that lynch.

Sinani201 is being accused by his twin, myself, sandroba pointed out the analysis was excellent at the time.

There are other links. GM and Kenpachi (along with myself) both commented on how that analysis on 201 was only done when being pressured.

But with chaos13's breadcrumbs, I don't think 206 (or supersoft, now) is scum.


So let's hear it town, should we lynch YM or sinani201?

On July 02 2011 08:17 Palmar wrote:


Thanks for popping by and shooting him

And yes, I've totally left VE alone because it's my firm belief that forcing people to spin a web of lies is a great way of catching scum, thus we were okay with gambling on him staying alive.

On July 02 2011 08:36 syllogism wrote:
This game has taught me not to presume the scum team isn't awful. It's amazing that they managed to get two of their players on the main wagons on day 1 and then pulled a gambit which basically relied on there being only 1 DT in a 30 player game. Further, they apparently didn't even bother checking if the DT claim and the "guilty check" made any sense in the context of the thread.

On July 02 2011 09:33 Palmar wrote:
hmm

I would't mind simply asking young to kill himself and hiro?

and then we lynch sinani201 and shoot GM tomorrow.

that's 3 scummy players in one go, and an outed hatter is pretty useless anyway, as we can't trust him without killing him.

On July 02 2011 10:09 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles.

On July 02 2011 10:11 Palmar wrote:


Hi Jackal

On July 02 2011 10:15 Sinani201 wrote:
Vanilla vigilante. You're right, I should have posted before/after killing DropBear, but I didn't. However there is no counter-evidence so there is no reason why you shouldn't trust me.

On July 02 2011 11:07 youngminii wrote:

This post seems scummy to me. For lack of a better target, I am voting you.

On July 02 2011 11:09 Palmar wrote:


Hi Jackal

On July 02 2011 12:59 Cthsazsa wrote:


LOL

On July 02 2011 17:20 syllogism wrote:
Also Jackal58 that flip doesn't make you look too hot right now

On July 03 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:
I'm perfectly fine with OMGUS lynching Jackal

##Vote Jackal58

Hi Jackal

On July 03 2011 07:22 Palmar wrote:


What sucks about it is that GM is scummy as fuck, but it makes sense keeping him around as the mafia can't night kill him in one shot.

He'd have to contribute.

Also, YM is a dick for not wanting to confirm it. Maybe once the Lurker list hits OpZ can take a shot at him.

On July 03 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote:
Yes, though unfortunately mafia hits have been terrible overall so can't read too much into that

On July 03 2011 07:57 gtrsrs wrote:
yo can we try something like this?

everyone please post
"i concede victory to town"

if you don't post that, we lynch you
if you do post that and are town, ok
if you post it and are mafia, town wins

On July 04 2011 00:41 youngminii wrote:
well then i'll probably chuck bombs on jackal and eiii and blow up
any issues with that? too bad

On July 04 2011 06:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't agree with your plan Jackal, because I'm town.

On July 04 2011 06:22 syllogism wrote:
That doesn't make sense, 3 of the people on that list are town

On July 04 2011 06:31 Palmar wrote:


It makes sense.

I can agree to killing the other three people on the list, as GM is scummy as fuck, Jackal has a really shitty history in this game and GGQ is just a lurking lurk of a lurker.

But no, I'm town, I will never agree to any plan that involves killing people I know are town, and neither will I go down quietly should it come to that.

But at the moment, we're not discussing my lynch, we're discussing Eiii's lynch.

On July 04 2011 06:53 Mig wrote:
GGQ has said he would quit if he were mafia in the thread. If this goes against jackal's personal read of him combined with not changing his vote on wiggles despite being around, I would be fine switching to him if enough people would vote him.

This plan also makes me reconsider my opinion of jackal. Putting himself in the line of fire like this is a pretty big risk to take if he were mafia.

On July 04 2011 07:36 GMarshal wrote:


Actually this isn't a terrible plan, I can run with it. I'd really appreciate it if you'd check me with a bomb, as I'm easily verifiable and I don't have to die as part of the process. YM needs to get his suiciding over with so we can clear him, and his second bomb should be on hiro or syllogism.

I can go with this plan. Your objection to it palmar is... questionable. Do you see any actual flaws with this plan?

On July 04 2011 07:55 Mig wrote:
The flaw with the plan is you are ignoring all the rest of the information we have this game to lynch 4 people for a pure meta reason. And if the plan fails then we would be down to like 8 people with no real new information.

Your plan seems to hinge mainly on palmar being scum jackal. If we lynched palmar and he flipped town would you still be confident your plan was going to work?

On July 04 2011 08:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I agree with the plan. A lurker would be foolish to think he could direct the thread out of no where once all of confirmed people are dead. If youngminii doesn't suicide today, I'm lynching him tomorrow. Did he claim hatter before I shot VE or after?

I'm going to reread when Varp was shot by mafia, and I suggest everyone else does too.

On July 04 2011 09:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:

...Yes...Look at the people pursuing your lynch...Half of us our confirmed...I have yet to vote you, I just posted a bunch of reasons to suspect you. -_- You didn't notice that? You took that kind of....drastic..

And don't get me wrong, if we lynch you and you're town I'd consider Jackal....

We've lived without this lurker mechanic before, living with it now should not be a problem. Quit your bitching guys. (and yes, i understand half the suspicious people we have are in the lurker list)

MEDIC, if your out there, I would like to introduce myself. My name is OpZ. Plz protect me.

On July 04 2011 09:38 GGQ wrote:
I've already suggested having YM bomb GMarshal and me. If town wants to go ahead and lynch jackal and palmar as well, that seems reasonable. Start with Palmar though.