Yea that would have been fine GM would have gotten palmar lynched for sure. After palmar flipped town GM would be lynched or worst case I could rb and shoot him. Many people already wanted GGQ dead. I was shooting syllo and supersoft next so I would have hit a medic. And hyaach could have easily been lynched by opz. So if I had managed to shoot him I would have been left with like matsza, Cth and a bunch of lurkers. I also had done a ton of pro town things I could use to defend myself, call vig shot on VE, fight against jackals horrible plan, argue to try and confirm GM without bombing him (which most people ignored even tho it was really strong reasoning).

Obviously I was still a big big underdog but I did think I had a legitimate shot at winning even if it was small.

Anyway mistakes happen so oh well. Thanks for hosting RoL, Kurumi, node, radfield.

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

July 04 2011 09:01 GMT

#1644

<3 np man. To be honest, I am almost happy it ended like this. Imagine another 4 day cycles of single hits in real time. I'd kill myself.

Mataza

Germany5364 Posts

July 04 2011 09:30 GMT

#1645

On July 04 2011 09:18 Palmar wrote:
oh and GM, I want to kill you way before lylo

I'd kill people in this order:

Eiii
YM
GMarshal
Mataza
Hyaach
Jackal

I like how I am randomly put into this just for being myself.
There never was a single suspicion on me, no accusation, nothing. Or did I miss the parts where that happened?

Finally over though. Mig, I don´t think you had a legitimate shot. You had to survive like 5+ days solo.
I would have fought to lynch from the lurkers upwards, so you have to kill every single active poster yourself.

Mataza

Germany5364 Posts

July 04 2011 09:30 GMT

#1646

Valiant effort though.

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

July 04 2011 09:34 GMT

#1647

Was a great time co-hosting this guys,thanks all of You for playing and of course RoL for hosting,also credit to Node for being there when we weren't!

EDIT: Mafia hits were a bit weak I think,besides LSB and then Nisani201. I don't see why You ROLEBLOCKED people and then DID NOT shoot them. I mean,RB was more powerful in this game because it denied the Veteran status. You had two Roleblockers and three hits Day 1. That way,You could roleblock everyone You had a Veteran/Mad Hatter vibe from(or just rb how it goes) and shoot without doubt.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 04 2011 09:40 GMT

#1648

Mataza you were on my likely townie list along with GM, YM (after claim) and Palmar <3

My lynch order was, before Jackal's plan, GGQ, Eiii, Jackal, Mig, Hyaach, Hiro, Cthsazsa

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 09:42 GMT

#1649

You might have fought for the lurkers but pretty much guarantee jackal/GM/Palmar would all be focused on killing each other. The best thing about the spot I was in was the fact that all the active veterans wanted to kill each other. So I was going to kill supersoft since people thought he was checked by chaos and after that just kill the mid tier players while the vets fought amongst themselves.

Town all assumed you couldn't lose because you hypothetically had so many confirmed townies. But since I killed 201 and YM wasn't going to bomb GM opz was the only actual confirmed you had. Opz was going to be a huge problem because I was too afraid to shoot him because of medics. But if I had lucked into them dying coulda solved that.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 04 2011 09:46 GMT

#1650

I think we would have convinced YM to confirm GM and if we had delayed the confirmation as I suggested, it would have been extremely difficult for you to win if you kept sniping the actually suspicious players

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 09:50 GMT

#1651

No I had no intention of sniping suspicious players. There was no way I was touching gm/jackal/palmar/GGQ. Unless I felt like the town had sided with them and trusted them. I wasn't sure what order I had for killing besides you/supersoft but if I killed you, ym suicides kills jackal, gm and palmar get lynched then there is pretty much no vocal good townies left. And that scenario seemed quite reasonable really.

And I really don't think you would have convinced YM to confirm GM like 95% he was just going to suicide on whomever he thought was the best target.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 09:51 GMT

#1652

Edit - besides opz who like I said was still going to be my biggest obstacle by far for winning.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 04 2011 09:56 GMT

#1653

Palmar and GM were 95+% town. The only way them being mafia made sense if this was indeed some huge gambit from the beginning or if they didn't read their role PMs and communicate with their team.

You pushing GM even this late into the game was a scum tell as Palmar pointed out

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 09:57 GMT

#1654

And another point against YM confirming GM. I don't think anyone wanted to go along with your delay plan syllo. Opz and GM had both already said they were going to push for YM's lynch if he didn't hurry up and suicide. So almost certainly YM would have suicided on day 4 killing 3 townies.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 10:00 GMT

#1655

Huh I didn't push GM wtf? I pushed to confirm GM as town.

And did you read the last 5 pages? I mean there was 0% chance GM and Palmar were both going to get to the late game together. They both wanted to lynch each other, especially GM lynching palmar.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

July 04 2011 10:01 GMT

#1656

Hang on you let GM live?

I need to work on making people more scummy so when I flip they die as well.

Cheers for hosting RoL even if you let town win at the end.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 10:02 GMT

#1657

And sylo it is easy to say post game Palmar and GM were 95%+ town but palmar had 3 votes this lynch and that was without GM. It was incredibly likely that palmar at the very least was going to be killed by town within the next couple days.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 04 2011 10:03 GMT

#1658

Well okay you weren't pushing, but you are a good player who was completely avoiding discussing how unlikely it was for GM to be mafia given what occurred on day 1 and 2 and Wiggles flipping GF. Instead you focused on confirmation and you weren't really trying to convince YM to confirm him

e: unfortunately this also applies to a lot of other good players

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 10:07 GMT

#1659

No I focused on the fact that GM didn't instantly kill YM after the lynch even though he was around. So really there was almost 0% chance that GM was mafia. I was focusing on confirming GM without making him lose a life. It was by far the most pro town thing anyone did concerning GM. The idea to bomb him was retarded when the information was clearly right there that he was town. And if anyone had actually thought about it they likely would have realized the mafia would not be trying to confirm GM as a vet and let him keep both his lives making him impossible for me to kill. But I could do that since I was also a Rber so I could still kill GM if I ever needed to.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

July 04 2011 10:10 GMT

#1660

But if anyone had actually gone back and looked at my posts to write up a case against me they would have seen these sorts of things and I think I could have spun it very well to look like I always had the towns best interests in mind. Thanks to the fact that everyone seemed to assume there was only 1 rber.