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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 06:39 GMT
#901
I still think GM should be shot, if any vigs are holding out for my opinion.

I'll be properly awake in 2-3 hours. Will post everything then.
Computer says mafia
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 06:45:28
June 30 2011 06:41 GMT
#902
On June 30 2011 14:06 youngminii wrote:
Navillus is dead. Also, is Torqez being modkilled or replaced?

Sorry, I didn't proof read the lurker list for the most part. I will fix it in a minute. I will see if I can find any replacements, if not he will be mod killed shortly. All replacing will be done by 12am EST tomorrow which is roughly 21 hours from now. At that time anyone who I have NOT replaced will be modkilled.

I also updated the lurker mechanics for hatters and vigis and would recommend they be read. It was a simple clarification edit, but should be read nonetheless.
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 30 2011 06:55 GMT
#903
Ahh well that happened...

Good luck everyone
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 30 2011 08:20 GMT
#904
Wtf at the speed this thread moves along.
Btw:

Hi!
I am the new Aprudds. For that I am also on the lurker list(which might solve my issue of having to read the whole freaking thread, I´m at page 16 right now)
Some stuff I picked up so far(and i know I am risking restating things already said, tyvm):

On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, chaos, he is a list:

GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi

these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
+ Show Spoiler +

The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:

DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis

Everyone else I have no experience playing with.

Fat lie. Wiggles was scum in XLII.
More to the point, as far as I have heard Wiggles has a reputation of getting lynched day1 when he´s town while never being lynched day 1 as scum.
This is just hearsay, but XLII went exactly like that.

On June 28 2011 16:35 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 16:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, the thing is he's right in theory. They have to trade in their 1 DT check for their 2 lurker checks unless I'm mistaken. That's 1 less DT check town has in its arsenal, right?


How so? They actually GAIN one check. They trade checking one active for checking 2 lurkers. Explain to me why checking an active player is better than 2 other player who in theory are hard to analyse due to lack of posts.

+ Show Spoiler +
@GM I'd like your reasoning on this aswel. There's only 1 GF. Why should we shoot on the lurker list instead of allowing DTs to check it? Isn't it infinetelly better to save vig lurker shots for later when they have a higher chance of hitting scum? I'm all for calling out people for lurking, but this setup makes it unlikely scum will be there
.

My gripe here(even though Sandroba is already dead), is that a cop has to out himself to save a lurker. And that my dear friends is bullcrap, which hopefully a lot of you caught on to. A vig can flip a lurker without outing himself, but a cop will be hard pressed to defend a lurker without saying "I´m cop and I checked him, he´s clean", since the lurker has no fucking posts with which to prove his alignment.

There was another post I had a gripe with when I read it, but I can´t remember what my comment on it was.

So anyway.
If you feel you hate me, don´t shoot me. Reading 40 pages is a pain and I´m going through it right now.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 30 2011 08:21 GMT
#905
EBWOP:

God, I do fail....
I should really reread sometimes. The part in red is accurate and i am an idiot right now. Disregard this transmission, out
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 08:24 GMT
#906
Good morning!

So, one mafia down, five to go.

I'm going to summarize the problems people have with GMarshal staying alive later today. I would ask one shot vigilantes to hold their shots for now, as we need to get reorganized, which has to happen in the next 24 hours.

Now is the time to bring forth new ideas for people to lynch.

I would love to ask everyone to go back and re-read everything that went on yesterday. There was a ton of stuff happening, and with all the discussion going on, it was almost guaranteed we had nailed at least one mafia.

And it's also almost guaranteed that the other mafia did not all rally to his cause. But we do have more information than we had before to work with.

Look for links, both visible and invisible, come back with your findings and post them in a clear coherent manner. Remember, you don't have to do a 10 pages long post by post analysis. Just show us the general theme and point out the incriminating stuff. It's far more effective and keeps the thread readable.
Computer says mafia
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 30 2011 08:40 GMT
#907
My opinion on the people I made a list out of:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2011 13:41 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 13:36 GMarshal wrote:
On June 30 2011 13:34 chaos13 wrote:
Oh hell do I feel like an idiot now.

Sorry Viscera


So do I! ^_^

*still* haven't been shot. Vigi's really need to get on that.

What lynch targets are we considering for today?

I'll make a quick list based on the voting patterns alone, disclaimer should not be used as fact blahblah not a guarantee

syllogism I've already argued my case against him, he's so lolscum and I am voting for him

sinani206 I dunno, I can see him being scum but as of right now I don't have anything to accuse him of

DropBear I'm leaning towards scummy on this guy but syllogism is a much better lynch

Cthsazsa Can't figure him out, either newbie or scummy which doesn't really help

~Opz~ Same as DropBear

Jackal58 Pretty townie imo until I'm told otherwise

Mig Holy is this guy flying under the radar or what? Guess I missed most of his posts considering he's not on the lurker list

gtrsrs Pretty townie judging by his last few posts

Palmar One of my main sources of entertainment this game, I'd be sad to see him go, probably townie although he may need a DT check in the near future

Varpulis I'm leaning scum, I'm awaiting an analysis of him from someone else because I can't seem to pinpoint anything, will look again though

GGQ Flying under the radar, made it on the lurker list, what can I say? No clue

Vain I heard people having scum doubts on him, to me he's been under the radar, I will need to go back and check his posts

chaos13 Same as Cthsazsa although a tad more scummy

aprudds Unfortunate replacement so no idea, if a DT is going to use their 2 lurker check instead of their single check, I strongly suggest you check this guy (Mataza now) since he has less posts that we can suss out

Hyaach Lurker list, not enough info, I'd shoot him if he spends another day on the list though

I'd expect most of the scum to lay in this list. Remember, this list is based solely off the voting patterns so a few of these can be stricken (like Palmar). Take your pick but you really shouldn't choose anyone outside of this list.

tl;dr kill syllogism
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 30 2011 08:54 GMT
#908
I absolutely can't believe Drazerk was scum. I'm fairly confident it means the scum team as whole is terrible or the good players weren't around when Drazerk was spamming the thread
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 08:55 GMT
#909
Why GMarshal has to die.


Seriously, I wasn't even convinced GM was scum before what happened last night. But man, I don't see any reason for acting the way GM did in those last hours before the lynch and the beginning hours of the current day.

I'm not going to rehash all the stuff that has been said already, I'm just going to point out two really incriminating factors.

First, GMarshals suggestion we should hang VE before Draz. I have no problem with people coming up with ideas and suggesting stuff. I'm not painting GM scum because he suggested the plan. I'm painting him red because of how he presented this alternative.

If GMarshal was being honest, he'd just have said "Well I think hanging the DT first on day1 claims is the right thing to do, so I'm switching to VE" I would probably have let it slide.

But in fact, he presented the plan, carefully citing it wasn't "his" idea but "Ace's"

Then, as soon as it meets resistance, he decided to "Go with his gut feeling".


On June 30 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 10:15 Palmar wrote:
On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:
On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:
On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:
On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:
On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.

Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.

I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.

For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me.


By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue.

Just play completely normally.

So, you think he is lying?

Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning.



Please explain why this is the case.


Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities.

1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red
2.) He is a DT as he claims
3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control

Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him?

We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2.




1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting
2.) Aweomse
3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take

The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller.


Lynching the DT first is still the correct play. I'm going to say fuck the correct play right now, because it all clicked when he claimed. Also now I feel sheepish for thinking Draz is town, but I guess we'll see soon enough.


He basically dips his toe in, the water burns, so he quickly pulls up again. This is textbook example of a scum scared for his life.

The second part of this is focused on his actions today.

GMarshal asked for a shot to confirm his identity. Now, this is interesting because it's insane to keep us WIFOM-ing about his alignment. But this is not how I'd expect an experienced player like GM to go down, I'd really hope he just realized his dire situation, promptly ignored it and accepted the fact that he'd have to die at some point, and started churning out information that then gains validity when he's dead.

But instead GM is focused on himself instead of the mafia. It's almost as if he doesn't trust the town to look elsewhere for mafia while he lives. This is just silly as the town has already shown it's ability to be all over the place.

GM is hoping we don't take him up on the offer, but I sincerely suggest we should. The sooner we know the truth of it, the better.


GMarshal is scum
Computer says mafia
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 30 2011 08:56 GMT
#910
==;;
yes palmar we know
we're waiting for a vig to hit him
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 30 2011 08:56 GMT
#911
Also why isnt' VisceraEyes dead yet? Why not double stack?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 30 2011 08:57 GMT
#912
Oh I suppose it's likely he has two medics on him
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#913
On June 30 2011 17:56 youngminii wrote:
==;;
yes palmar we know
we're waiting for a vig to hit him


yah, just wanted it clear and neat.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#914
Clearly I'm a more important kill than the DT =)
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 30 2011 09:00 GMT
#915
I'd actually prefer it if the one shot Vig do it so that when Gman inevitably claims his hit, real or fake, we can actually have the Vig come out and claim whether it happened or not instead of doing the same with our Compulsive Vig, seeing as how powerful the role is from now on.

Might be too late though.

Kill syllo.
lalala
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 09:01 GMT
#916
On June 30 2011 18:00 sandroba wrote:
Clearly I'm a more important kill than the DT =)


Well you asked me who I'd suggest DT checking and vigging

I guess the scum was stupid enough to think you were actually a) stupid enough to be that obvious, and b) stupid enough to take instructions from me.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 30 2011 09:11 GMT
#917
If your action is on a timer and you are roleblocked, do you get the notified of the roleblock immediately
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
June 30 2011 09:17 GMT
#918
On June 30 2011 18:11 syllogism wrote:
If your action is on a timer and you are roleblocked, do you get the notified of the roleblock immediately


lol

stop soft-claiming and just ask the hosts in pm.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 30 2011 09:19 GMT
#919
Also I assume mafia KP is updated in real time as well, meaning killing mafia right now would deprive them of their third kill
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 30 2011 09:21 GMT
#920
On June 30 2011 18:17 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 18:11 syllogism wrote:
If your action is on a timer and you are roleblocked, do you get the notified of the roleblock immediately


lol

stop soft-claiming and just ask the hosts in pm.

the funny part is

1. he's not soft claiming a specific role, just that he's blue
2. there's absolutely no reason/point to soft claim at this point in the game
3. he's pointing a target on his back for mafia unless he's a vet who's trying to take a hit which i highly doubt

conclusion? he's scum

Lynch syllogism 2011!
lalala
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