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On June 29 2011 23:24 DropBear wrote: I do not understand what you mean? Presentation? Chilling? I want to lynch Henry VI. I think GMarshal and Eiii are scum. I think the bandwagon on Drazerk is dodgy as hell and I'm very suspicious of the first handful on it, other than Cthsazsa. I agree with you that Viscera is playing oddly and I would like him to explain himself. I do not like hiro and syllogism as lynches. Is that better? No, your posts are fine. You case against Eiii isn't bad, but you know as well as I that he isn't going to get lynched today. So why don't you focus on strengthening your case against the person that you want hanged today? (henry vi) And wait for Eiii to slip up more  Incoming textwall. | ||
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Palmar's guide to not losing terribly So, here we are, closing in on the end of day 1, and we're still arguing over completely nonsensical stuff. I'm writing this post in hopes that some of you will lend enough trust in it to actually try and get this town organized and hopefully find some scum. This thread is a mess, but we can fix that. I know some of my stuff hasn't been exactly the best posting for creating atmosphere, but I kinda don't function in this game unless some people in town hate me, which makes me severely disappointed VisceraEyes isn't trying to kill me as usual. We have a couple of good candidates for lynching, some of those should perhaps rather be shot and others might step up their game to the point where it's more beneficial to keep them around, for now. I'm going to attempt a strategy that I personally haven't tried. I'm going to categorize the people in town and try to make sure that we actually get something done. First up, the list of targets that make good lynch targets. Lynch candidates
Seriously, from this point on, if you're pro-town, you're voting of Drazerk. I can completely support vigi shots on sinani206 and VisceraEyes. Second up, my version of a Zodiac list. This has nothing to do with the player's ability to identify mafia or play well as scum. This isn't a list of players who are good at the game or experienced at the game. This list contains people who have the ability to lead a town. Whether they're doing it as mafia or town. Everyone on this list warrants a DT check. If you find anyone on this list especially scummy, analyse him, find his links and find his goals. If you think someone on this list is town, listen to him and pray you're right. This list should be avoided by Vigis, because if everyone here dies, we risk losing the town into inactivity, and we all know how that can end up. Leaders
Now for the third part of my guide, I'm listing up player that are being generally useless, underperforming or otherwise deserve to be shot, especially if they somehow end up on the lurker list. Let me say this: I fully support Vigilantes making independent decisions, these are just suggestions. Vigi targets, lurkers, scum and assorted trash
My last list contains strong analysts that generally don't take a leadership role. Whenever someone from this list posts an analysis, read it with a critical mind. Many in here are actually much better at scumhunting thant he people on the leader list, so the townies on here may be our greatest allies. Analysts and good players that usually don't lead town
So, I've left you with lists with ideas on how to proceed, the last thing I want to touch on in my little guide is posting equitette. I've broken these myself, but it's time to clean up. Posting equitette Rule 1 - Don't do a post by post analysis that is 10 pages in word. Just highlight the scummy parts and explain the reason. Most importantly, tell us what prompted the investigation of the particular player in the first place. Rule 2 - Whenever you present a FoS, follow it up with a vote against that person. Explain why you're sticking a vote and FoS on him. Rule 3 - Do not fucking roleclaim unless you have a great reason to. Rule 4 - Try to focus on a single or couple of people at the time. No matter how awesome you thin you are, don't post a scumlist of 6 people on day 1 and 2, you did not win the game on day 1/2 and you're just reducing focus. Rule 5- Don't post unless you have something to say. Thanks for your time town. I want input on my ideas, but from now on we're working to create a good atmosphere to work in as town. I know I have left players out. This only means I didn't fit them in any of our lists. I still stand by the notions that vigis should be shooting. This post clears no one. The people not on here might as well be the scum. | ||
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On June 29 2011 23:56 chaos13 wrote: Very good post, Palmar. If you're looking for me to be more aggressive, I start out Day 1 really confused and focus on getting town reads rather than scum reads. By Day 2 and 3 I have a much better idea of what to work with and I get more aggressive as the game goes on. With that said, I will be voting to lynch either Drazerk or VisceraEyes. At this particular moment I am leaning more towards Viscera. I will make my choice between the two within a few hours. Please, stick your vote on Drazerk. There will not be enough time to sway the vote on VisEyes. I'm hoping a friendly vigi reads this and shoots VisEyes. Either way, day 1 lynches are very often quite random, and going after someone a confirmed DT was tunneling is not a bad idea by any stretch of the imagination. We need Drazerk dead anyway, and he is the easiest person to convince town to lynch. | ||
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I am going to stick with trying to lead the town on Drazerk. If you succeed in pulling people in on the VisceraEyes lynch, then I will obviously switch over, as I was the one who brought him up in the first place. My fear was we wouldn't get enough support, but you just might. My argument for Drazerk is that lynching a target with no content that was being tunneled by a confirmed DT is a better lynch than most on day 1. It is a good lynch. Good luck with your VisceraEyes train. It's a good lynch too. I sincerely hope both those players will end up dead tomorrow. | ||
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On June 30 2011 01:31 Navillus wrote: I'd just like to say that I really don't like a case on one person (GM) based on the actions of another (Eiii) I think it makes way too big assumptions and opens us up to scum purposely pretending to be tight with townies, like I think that Drazerk was doing. This especially because, while I don't know the meta here that well, it seems to me that GM would be the best or one of the best people on the scum team and so would tell everyone else to stay away from him because they would be much more likely to slip than he would. Hi Navillus. You have three posts in the thread, none of them containing much useful stuff. You parroted something someone else said about Drazerk, but that's it. I want your opinion on who might be scum, not on how mafia might play. If you take note you'll see that I left you out of my big post on the town. This means you haven't contributed anything of value, which makes you i turn impossible to analyse, and thus it's anti-town. Please, take interest in the game. At present you're probably skirting the lurker list. If you end on it you deserve to be shot. | ||
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On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote: TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody. Just make sure you take into account that most European votes will be locked in around 5-6 hours from now, so if you have a case to make, make it sooner rather than later. So wait all you need, but don't wait too long. And yes, there are bound to be scum on his wagon, that will be the case whether he flips red or green. | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:12 Kurumi wrote: I am serious. I know, for once I don't think you're trolling. It's just ironic, cause I recently talked about him deserving to be shot. | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:38 chaos13 wrote: youngminii, you say that you don't feel you should lynch Drazerk, and yet you're voting him anyway....based on the possibility that TAA checked him? We have no idea who TAA checked, or if he checked anyone at all. Remember - analysis, not assumption. I highly suggest a vigi hit on this guy. If you're still alive tomorrow I'll be voting for you. You're scum trying to deflect a lynch away from your mafioso friend VisceraEyes (who still hasn't contributed his analysis) VisceraEyes and youngminii are scum. If you guys lynch Drazek and he flips green I'm gonna facepalm so hard I'll probably concuss myself. If that happens, vig Viscera and youngminii, cause they're scum. Lynching a green day 1 is not a reason to "facepalm so had you'll probably concuss yourself". But yes, seriously. The shit VisceraEyes was working on was case against his contender for the lynch, mostly just repeating what others have said. I still want them both dead, but I have no words on VisEyes's actions. Seriously, if you fail like you did, I'd expect you to come back with something that people can actually believe isn't just a last ditch effort to save yourself. I'm switching back to VisceraEyes. As the Brother Leader and Guide of the Town I urge everyone to do the same. This does not clear Drazek, he is still an excellent target for a vigilante hit. I simply have no words for this, is your defense really to FoS the opposing lynchee some more? ##Unvote ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote: While I'm not in the business of defending myself TYPICALLY, I will say that I was replaced into CCM, which Palmar will most assuredly confirm, has been taking up A LOT of my focus. As I said, it's not a good excuse and is entirely my fault...but it is what it is. Those guys are beast (excluding Palmar )The case on Draz was in my own words and done in isolation from others' posts. If it falls in line with others' points against Draz, maybe consider that there's a reason for that. Use your head. Wait, are you suggesting that you didn't read the thread? Because if you had read the thread then you'd know most of your stuff has already been said. | ||
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On June 30 2011 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Cue Palmar tunnel. Every game I play with you is the same. *sigh* ♥ | ||
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On June 30 2011 03:01 youngminii wrote: fuck yeah you are the towniest motherfucker in this entire thread hi5 palmar i wish you'd just stick to one guy, other than that i've enjoyed your more recent posts let me ask you this if we lynch visceraeyes and he flips red, what information do we gain? am i suddenly scum because chaos13 linked us together? i hardly think so if we lynch drazerk and he flips red, dear god we have a ton of information, syllo is under fire, gm is under fire, lots of the people that are on the viscera train are under fire then again, based on recent games they're both probably non-red lawlawlawl remember: lynching based on analysis on day 1 is relatively difficult and pretty luck based, i'm a lot more comfortable following a possible dt check Did you read my analysis on VisEyes? If he flips red that puts GM on fire too, note the little soft defenses I included in my original analysis. In the end I want them BOTH dead. But VisEyes's attempt to claw his way out of the hole he's in by throwing together an analysis on his contender for the lynch, an analysis that apparently has been "upcoming" for some 30 hours. That is the single scummiest action I have seen in the thread so far. And yes, I'm going bit back and forth, which is kind of bad I guess, seeing as I am the Brother Leader and Guide of the Town. But this was enough to warrant the switch. | ||
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On June 30 2011 04:31 Mig wrote: I really would urge people to switch from draz onto Visc. Draz's martyr post I still think is suspicious but there is at least some chance I could be wrong and he is just a desperate townie trying to convince us of his innocence. I think there is a much much higher chance that Visc is mafia. I know meta isn't everything but looking through Visc's posts it is amazing how different he is. Visc not taking stands and randomly accusing people is like dropbear not making millions of useless pbp analysis or kenpachi actually contributing, it is a 180 degree shift in play. I really can't emphasis this point strongly enough. And not only is it a change in play, but it is a shift that would greatly hurt town. There is no reason for him as town to decide to just stop contributing and giving his opinions on people when that is his norm. It is much more likely for him to play this way as mafia. To be fair he promised to come back tunneling me, which is basically the core of his townplay. But yes, VisceraEyes is grasping at straws, there is no doubt in my mind about it, he is the scummiest player in town I am the Brother Leader and Guide of Town and Protectore of it's People and I urge you to switch your vote to VisEyes. This is in no way an attempt to clear any of the targets I posted in my big town summary, Sinani, Drazerk and VisceraEyes are all scummy as hell. Trust me, while I think VisEyes analysis of Drazerk is the scummiest thing in the game, Drazerk's attempt to somehow clear GM based on his flip, and his martyr play make me really suspicous of him. In fact, if your role is a compulsive vigilante, I would be glad if your first action at Day 2 was to clik that little PM button, and send RoL the message you're shooting Drazerk. Please, refer to my guide to keep this game healthy and winnable. | ||
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On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote: I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? No. Work harder is what we want you to do. Did you not notice my post on how this was going to be a game with ideal town atmosphere? I want you to read the thread, find the scummy person, point it out and explain to the rest of town why that person should die. I have no interest in excuses and apologies. I am interested in finding and hanging scum. How about you elevate your play to do that? I know you're capable of it, as I've seen you piece together a decent analysis and point some fingers, but for some reason you aren't doing that, which is scummy. | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote: First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists. If you don't like jokes, (which calling myself a title used by qaddafi obvously is) just skip them. I hope you aren't really so thick that you can't tell a tiny joke inside a serious post. And yes, I said I was taking the reins and I will be calling for authority. Obviously everyone should follow me because after exploring the situation with a critical mind they agree I'm acting in the best interest of town. Call me out when I'm wrong, but at the moment, I intend to keep attempting to lead the town and help get us going in the right direction. I expect more help from you in the coming days Varpulis, you're a good player but sometimes you just seem to disappear. | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...VIGILANTES, need to NOT be shooting. Omg. Town killing itself if exactly what the mafia wants. Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot. One time vigilantes should be shooting only later in the game, as their shots get more accurate then. Compulsive vigilantes should totally be shooting scummy players. If there are people on the lurker list, then I really don't mind shooting them. It may bring lylo a day faster, but it will also bring lylo with a much more comfortable player pool. | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:28 Cthsazsa wrote: Palmar are you 100% sure that ViscEyes might be scum? What kind of a question is that? Of course I am sure he might be scum, and of course I am not 100% sure he is scum. I am however ready to lead this lynch as I feel confident in it, and I strongly believe there is enough evidence on the table to get him lynched. So if your question is "Are you confident in this lynch", then my answer is totally yes. If it's mistaken you can feel free to question me. | ||
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On June 30 2011 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Secondly, Palmar appears to be pushing my lynch based on A) my inactivity in this game and B) my lack of tunneling him incessantly. The inactivity bit I can understand - my meta shows that I'm far more active as town than this game shows. But come on Palmar. You think I'm scummy when I tunnel you. You think I'm scummy when I don't. You like to say that part of my meta is that I tunnel you, but you know what this reeks of? YOU tunneling ME. You did it in PTP, you did it in CCM, you're doing it this game. I don't recall tunneling you in PTP. You know why? Because in PTP I didn't find you all-together scummy. Know why I'm not tunneling you this game? Because I don't find you all-together scummy. Get with the program sir. Palmar, give a bro a chance, bro. ##Fistpound? Trust me, I'm joking when I say your meta is tunneling me as town. I absolutely love playing with you cause you're loud and controversial. But no, I'm not giving you a chance, the three pillars of the strength the case against you are as follows. a) Promise to deliver shit and then not deliver shit. Loads of people haven't done squat to warrant not being hanged, but they didn't go around assuring everyone they'd contribute. That reeks of fear, which is something townies should never be worried about. b) You haven't committed to anything, which is definitely against your meta. That's playing more carefully than usual and I find it scummy c) You then came back that supposedly had been in the works for 30 hours, but really was just some rehashed junk on your contender for the lynch. I'll fistpound you, but then I'll hang you. | ||
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