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On June 29 2011 05:33 chaos13 wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Vain contribute some more. So far you have made very few posts, and only 2 of those were actually discussing players. The rest were directed towards RoL or some other topic. Right now you're looking to me like a mafia who is trying to avoid the lurker list, but being careful not to contribute much. The only thing of note you have done is defending theAwesomeAll.
What do you think of syllogism and sinani206?
Why does your town play always consist of soft defending and asking questions?
Or is that your scum play too?
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He did this as town in PTP Vain, just sayin'
But yes, I don't like that style at all.
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On June 29 2011 06:04 Vain wrote:Hmm, could use some better formatting. Mind that when i wrote this, i wasn't even accused by chaos13 and decided to wait a bit longer for more information. I really think this is our best bet right now and to put my money where my mouth is i will put my vote on him until someone MAYORLY slips up in my point of view. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:59 Palmar wrote:
He did this as town in PTP Vain, just sayin'
But yes, I don't like that style at all. Could be but i'm not just throwing away all my conclusions just because he played like this in PTP. My conclusion was he is scum and i stick to it
yeah, you have all my support in going after him.
It's a scummy style of play.
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On June 29 2011 06:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'd like to ask everyone to read through the entirety of the thread before they start posting, especially if what they have to say is only relevant to a past discussion. This will stop people bringing up things that the rest of town has mostly stopped talking about, and restarting a useless discussion. If you want to see an example of that, look at PTP, where I brought up Sandroba's "plan" later on in Day 1, and caused a several hours long shit storm as mafia. Let bad plans and old discussion lie, unless you have a pressing or relevant reason for bringing it up again, or have something completely new to add. Anything else is just derailing discussion. (As a note, if someone brings up a bad plan you made in an analysis, don't start endlessly discussing the merits of the plan again, or I will personally end you :p)
For example, if I hadn't read further into the thread after Palmar's posts, I wouldn't have seen what YM said, and would have begun waging a bloody crusade against him. Stuff like this is important to see, and I personally don't think you should be trying to make analysis or contribute without all the information available to you, and without knowing what's been addressed or not already.
you'll always end up with some rehashed discussion as not everyone is awake at the same time.
also FoS on you for not being on a bloody crusade against me.
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I'm not dropping my case against syllo because he asked a question about how to submit actions.
That's stupid. He could just as well be a red that didn't realize he could ask his scumteam.
He is at the moment the scummiest player in the game in my opinion. One of the things that sucks about it is the fact that Hiro agrees with me, but hiro promised us an analysis on syllo that still hasn't showed up.
Also, VisceraEyes keeps promising to deliver something good, but has yet failed to do so. If you aren't going to contribute, stop saying you're going to contribute.
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On June 29 2011 12:46 Kenpachi wrote:
dude Palmar why would he ask that question if he was red? Mafia decides the kill together so why would actions need to be sent in advance for them?
Roleblocks?
Seriously, this is a meta game thing and has nothing to do with the game at hand
He hasn't contributed anything to the thread.
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Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him.
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On June 29 2011 13:06 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote:
Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM.
yah, exactly, this is wifom.
I can paste the IRC logs?
But how about you look at the evidence at hand, the fact that he has posted almost exclusively blanket statements, the fact that he OMGUS'd me without the balls to put a vote on me with it, the fact that his defense relies on some analysis of mechanics that anyone wanting town credit could've done.
I'd much rather you look at what I said in the post I voted against him and judged him on that.
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On June 29 2011 13:33 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:31 Varpulis wrote:On June 29 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 13:06 Varpulis wrote:On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote:
Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM. yah, exactly, this is wifom. I can paste the IRC logs? But how about you look at the evidence at hand, the fact that he has posted almost exclusively blanket statements, the fact that he OMGUS'd me without the balls to put a vote on me with it, the fact that his defense relies on some analysis of mechanics that anyone wanting town credit could've done. I'd much rather you look at what I said in the post I voted against him and judged him on that. Bloody hell, you just don't stop, do you? Could you actually go read that big post about mechanics, and honestly tell me if you, as a mafia member, would post that just to gain town cred? Gonna say it again. It wasn't helpful. It was a whole bunch of WIFOM. Mafia like making a huge post that looks helpful to gain town cred. Seriously, can you actually re-read it please?
amen brother.
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On June 29 2011 13:31 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 13:06 Varpulis wrote:On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote:
Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same.
Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?".
This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue.
he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him.
I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. I don't suppose that you have proof? I don't recall bringing up outside of game evidence. Asking questions in the thread is inside the game evidence. Posting about the setup, roles, and mechanics during the game is inside the game evidence. His meta is not, but that isn't my main point. I even admitted that it's WifoM. yah, exactly, this is wifom. I can paste the IRC logs? But how about you look at the evidence at hand, the fact that he has posted almost exclusively blanket statements, the fact that he OMGUS'd me without the balls to put a vote on me with it, the fact that his defense relies on some analysis of mechanics that anyone wanting town credit could've done. I'd much rather you look at what I said in the post I voted against him and judged him on that. Bloody hell, you just don't stop, do you? Could you actually go read that big post about mechanics, and honestly tell me if you, as a mafia member, would post that just to gain town cred? I'll wager that I've read through syllogism's posts more than you have. I have concluded that he is town from those posts. Frankly, in my opinion it is wise to be patient in the early part of the game. Most analyses are weak, and most bandwagons terrible. Cautious != scummy, not in the first 24 hours. You also wave off all of his contributions to the discussion as blanket statements, thus invalidating any possible defense. It's enough for pressure, which is what I assumed it was, but not sufficient reason to lynch. There, I responded to your request to look through his posts "analysis." Now let's look through your posting history shall we? What do we find? A bunch of blanket statements about lurkers and lurking blues, meta (regarding sinani and DropBear), and then a lot of tunneling. Stop being a hypocrite please.
So your proposal on how to play the first day is we sit back and do nothing, while patting each other on the back and throwing out random advice that anyone with half a brain can figure out anyway, it's just a race who gets the town cred by being the first to post.
Seriously Varpulis, it's time I call you out. How about you build us a case against a possible scum and try to put some pressure on people, instead of telling other people how to play. We need to find scum yes? What's your suggestion?
And yes, I fucking love killing people.
Excuse me for trying to win this thing.
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Btw GM started the game out really strong.
Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.
I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings.
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On June 29 2011 00:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:09 youngminii wrote:
i like the way you think theawesomeall
don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this
i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now
okay i'm gonna head off now i'll be back when i wake up if GM is scum, he is GF. Please dont check him.
I had a better look at what TAA might have breadcrumbed.
This one stuck out, and the timing fits too.
Does this mean that he checked GM and got an innocent report?
I'm definitely not trying to clear GM, as TAA continued to push for him as mafia later, but this looks more like a clue than anything else in TAA's post history.
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On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying?
This isn't VisceraEyes, he's much more like me in that he likes to shoot first and talk later.
On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.
Nice, where is your research?
On June 28 2011 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Sandroba
GM fully admits to subscribing to a controversial stance that he'll catch flack for. Don't you think he'd be toning it down a bit on the lurker-hunt if he were scum?
I don't know, uncalled soft defense of GM, not much of a scumtell.
On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1.
Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE.
I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading.
point a, if there is anything VisEyes does well it's tunneling. This guy can put out ridiculous amount of pressure on people if he feels like it, but somehow the king of tunneling is now against that? It almost feels like a different person playing.
Also, where is your case? You've posted enough in other games you're playing. Stop pretending to be reading and working when you're not about to deliver.
On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned!
I'm tuned.
There is nothing on the radio.
On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.
Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.
Back to reading. -.-
More soft defending GM, again, I just don't like the smell of this.
I think VisceraEyes is scum
So, here is my suggestion on what we do in the situation. VisceraEyes has basically contributed nothing to the discussion, but he has soft defended GM a couple of times. This is one of the times I'd say we have an excellent vigi target.
If we shoot VisEyes and thus flip him, we have information on what could be the motivation behind his defense of GM, and we're rid of someone who repeatedly doesn't contribute and fails to deliver, and is scummy as hell.
Seriously, I've played enough with this guy to know this is not his town play. If he was town he'd probably be trying to get me hanged or something, he'd at least be on a crusade. That's how he rolls.
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On June 29 2011 20:07 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
Btw GM started the game out really strong.
Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.
I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings. Palmar, TAA can't have found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 09:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Detective: You are a detective. You have two powers. Starting Day 1 you may choose to check a players role. Once the action is submitted, it takes you 12 hours to perform the investigation and you will receive your result 12 hours after the action is submitted.
Is it really likely that he would have got a result back yet? I don't think so.
The Drazerk bandwagon has formed with a speed I've never seen before. It scares me that he now has 12 votes and the next highest is 2. There has been absolutely zero opposition to it. Does this ring alarm bells for anybody else?
Well why the hell are we bandwagoning him then.
here are some important timings to think about.
TAA died 27 hours after the game started, that's definitely enough time to decide and investigate. In fact, investigating early is good because that allows the cop to build a case and steer the town in the right direction with ample time before the lynch.
TAA's report that GM could only be godfather and DT's should not waste their checks on him came 12 hours and 15 minutes into the game.
It's almost as if TAA saw GMs big opening post and decided to simply start out investigating this person who was taking a clear leadership role in town.
So yes.
I disagree that he couldn't have investigated.
I agree that the Drazerk train is dumb at the moment. My alternative is hanging VisceraEyes.
##Unvote Drazerk
##Vote VisceraEyes
I will not be able to sway town on my own.
Please, help me in this town, let's turn this bandwagon around and get VisEyes hanged instead. I have an analysis on him earlier.
DropBear, I challenge you to be the first one to join me.
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On June 29 2011 21:56 Hyaach wrote:I don't know about Drazerk. As people point out, the bandwagon against him is forming at quite an amazing speed. Him hugging GM was bad, but it just seems like gullible townie taking a huge leap of faith on the first ray of light. TAA tunnelling him was a disadvantage to drazerk as we all know TAA's alignment now. But TAA started off drilling at GM. I think he just associated everyone that defended GM with him together. FoS GM Hiro and VisceraEyes GM soft defended hiro and quickly back off like TAA mentioned earlier. i find it wierd for someone as outspoken as him, maintains a neutral ground like his. He asked TAA to for opinions on hiro but never gave his own. In fact he has ask people for opinions and then post out his own after people gave theirs. Why be so passive if you want to take a leadership position? If you think drazerks is posting fluff. take a look at hiro's post. Its worst. All they say are "hi i'm here, too scared to take a stance" He has never post an analysis on anyone that is worth something but always comes onto the bandwagon after a few players voted. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.
Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.
Back to reading. -.- blanket statements everywhere. Covering both side of the spectrum so he can always fall back if shit blows up. still waiting for the analysis too VisceraEyes so i'm gonna ##Vote hiro protagonist
Just so you know.
until you present a better case against hiro, you are not helping town stop the drazerk bandwagon by presenting yet another option.
a) build a stronger case against hiro than the one that currently exists against VisEyes
b) join us in lynching VisEyes.
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fyi, young was probably the first person to accuse you
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And I still think it's valid.
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This town is complete chaos at the moment. I'm seriously thinking about just taking the reins and hoping people actually listen to reason.
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On June 29 2011 23:04 aprudds wrote:
Can we stop FOSing 10 different targets and focus on one or two now? I'm getting completely lost at this point, especially after the kill on TAA.
I agree.
DropBear, you need to work on your presentation.
You said you wanted to lynch sinani206, then just chill with other cases until you're successful in that.
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