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sandroba
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June 21 2011 20:53 GMT
#19
Shit, this game's gonna be awesome. Looking foward to it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
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June 25 2011 10:04 GMT
#72
Shit, I'm so excited for this game, even though this is pretty much going to be impossible. I've thought a lot about this and came to the conclusion that mafia's optimal strat is going to be defending their team without fear, since no flips mean they keep hidden even after a scum lynch. Regarding the lynch, it's pretty obvious that we should try to agree on a lynch every day cycle, as the lynch is town kp and should not be wasted. A no lynch day is not acceptable at all and people that refuse to make a stand should be persecuted. About claims: you should only claim if you are about to get lynched or if you found enough mafia to make it worth it. I want to propose that anyone that claims without a damn good reason should be insta-lynched. This setup is even worse than normal, mafia has even a better edge on information, so if you claim you better have a pretty good reason. Also mafia can probably get away with bulshit claims without any repercusions so just don't fucking claim.

Ok so now down to business, I thought chezinu was insane, what's up with the straight foward post? I'm suspicious and dissapointed at the same time.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 25 2011 10:29 GMT
#77
@chezinu I'm suspiciously dissapointed. I'd rather be fooled all game and get entertained than get an easy mafia day1 and miss out on chez awesomeness. Pretty sad you are sane mafia this game =/
GM does not find your behaviour suspicious so I guess he's mafia with you?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 25 2011 10:42 GMT
#80
Can I ask you the same? You pretty much shaped up after GM called for your lynch on his first post. What's your opinion on him so far?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#113
I am absolutely 100% against no lynch. We shouldn't even be discussing this. Lynching right is our only shot at winning the game and the only way to produce any relevant info. Arguing that it makes more sense in this setup gets us nowhere. Everything is more dificult to analyse with no flips, but the basics still stand true, and that means we should keep the possible lynches at 2 for each day and MUST lynch everyday. The only policy I'm ok agreeing with is that players that refuse to commit to a lynch should be auto vig'ed the next night. Every other policy being discussed so far (DT claims, lurker lynch) is extremelly situational. We should assume from the players list that everyone is going to be active (that's the point of making this invitational imo).
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 27 2011 19:26 GMT
#222
First of all FoS Jackal for not tunneling me out of the blue. Second and onto serious matters chaoser's post really stand out to me as the most suspicious so far:

On June 26 2011 10:55 chaoser wrote:
Sup guys, finally found some free time to post.

Let's see here, first of all Radfield's plan is pretty legit in my eyes and makes sense. While I was playing RoL's first experimental, my teammate and I just lurked our way through the game, saying only as much as was needed, sometimes even nothing for 24 hour stretches. I definitely feel like, in no-flip games, even more so than others that policy lynching lurkers is key. Now there's still a difference between lurker and inactive but in this group of people I think the lurkers will stick out like a sore thumb.

I completely agree with the vigi of people who vote and then leave. At this point I'd say I agree with most Radfield's points and the rest are just minor semantic details. As such, I think having a medic on him for Night 0 would be pretty good.

At the same time, I want to ask Scamp what he saw in Radfield's plan that suggested to him that it was pushing a no-lynch policy. You kinda posted a one liner and then never came back to respond to it so I was wondering if you could clarify.


So you think that lurking is a good strategy for mafia and you're pro vig shots on lurkers, but you lurk yorself?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 27 2011 19:57 GMT
#224
@BC let me get this straight: You are calling deconduo scummy and Radfield dumb, but you are voting rad?

Also kurumi can you pls stop trolling? I know you think you can troll with impunity, but I'ma make sure we rectify that this game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 27 2011 20:30 GMT
#226
@Caller What made you suspicious of GGQ in the first place? I see some people explaining how GGQ was a good vig hit, but you haven't done so yourself. Why did you hit him?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 05:08 GMT
#288
I actually think you guys are missing the point on LSB post to be honest, cuz I can see a really pro-town outcome if you read between the lines.
Chaoser is my number one suspect for the moment, I call him out on lurking then he pops up and posts a ranking list with no explanation. Seriously?
@Deconduo What do you think about chaoser? Is he town that needs to die or scum?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 06:14 GMT
#291
LOL seriously? Have you read chaoser's second post after I called him out for lurking?
Also way to make me look scummy when I was obviously calling out deconduo on his earlier statement (that you were 75% and needed to die) and trying to get his opinion on chaoser.

I think it's pro-town because it discourages mafia from hitting anyone if they want to cause confusion or Decon is mafia or 2 people get hit. If medics can figure your aligment the outcome is pretty pro-town don't you think?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 06:17 GMT
#292
EBWOP: 2nd paragraph is regarding LSB's post.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 06:55 GMT
#294
Sigh, I think I failed again to communicate my point. Mainly I dissagree with you on LSB being suspicious, I agree with decon and chaoser being scum. I wish I could make a long analysis on chaoser but he has a grand total of 2 not only contentless, but completely random posts. His ranking system boggles my mind and I can't really see any other purpose for his post besides to appear to be contributing while not really.
We have less than a day to decide on the lynch and I would really like us to consolidate our votes sooner, rather than later.
##Vote: Chaoser
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 16:09 GMT
#356
Okay Viscera, can you quickly gives us your thoughts and reads?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 28 2011 22:37 GMT
#417
Ok Viscera, I'm not taking my vote away from you. Your attack on Palmar is complete bullshit, distortion and nitpicking. Since when Decon's claim have to be taken at face value? Vigs and lynches should be used at every opportunity and the fact that they should target who you think is scum is obvious enough lol. Also "Chaoser is suspcious, but am I really the biggest threat right now?" doesn't fly. The fact is you are our biggest shot at consolidating our votes and lynching scum today, which I'm pretty confident we are going to do.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 01:22 GMT
#447
Come on Caller, you are saying LSB and ilovejonn are both mafia AND Viscera is obvtown, yet they don't switch over and kill Viscera? How the hell does that make any sense?
Chaoser was definitevely scummy as shit (read both his posts) and viscera throwing suspicion around like there's no tomorrow just to keep himself alive. He starts with palmar, then when most dissagree he finds himseld another target on Amber (which almost made me switch my vote off him). You say LSB is scum then he insta jumps on it, providing no reasoning (hell, even you provided no reasoning). He just wants anyone else dead that's not him.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 17:17 GMT
#527
Caller, pardon me for being skeptic but I don't buy your claim at all. Let's look through the facts shall we:

1) You trolled most day 1, called people scum for no reason and called deconduo and viscera obvtown for no reason either. Yet you failed to push the people you deemed scum with analysis, you just wanted town to not lynch.

2) Decon got modkilled, he claimed vig. Now you claim vig. Nice.

3) You claim to have shot GM, for no reason either, just because. Really? Why in hell would you shoot GM, if even you did not think he's scum? Also Mafia shot fucking GGQ? I went to his posts and fail to see why in hell mafia would shoot him. My theory is that decon shot him and now that he's dead you are claiming to have shot GGQ with no one to counter claim your bullshit.

You are spreading doubt like there's no tomorrow and fucking up this thread.
You are scum. So is VisceraEyes.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 17:20 GMT
#529
Also what's your purpose for claiming Vig right now? So you can justify not being killed by mafia, because now you have "used your power already". Cool story.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 17:25 GMT
#530
On June 27 2011 19:34 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 19:33 Kurumi wrote:
GGQ was killed because he is lucky when it comes to being mafia,gg vigilante.


Wait, are you claiming you shot GGQ?


Okay guess what. Look at this shit.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#537
@caller LOL nice that you nitpick on the fact that I mistyped GGQ instead of GM.
How can you tell that decon had 1 bullet?
And about defending teamates, isn't that what you have been doing with viscera all along?

The quote of deconduo is he jumping on kurumi when he thought he was claiming to have killed GGQ. That supports my theory, which I have stated above.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 30 2011 08:20 GMT
#551
What the hell, why are you guys voting fishball? The optimal plan is to hang RoL first, let fishball get another check or get shot by the mafia. Then, if he's still alive we hang him day3. Hanging fishball first is just dumb imo.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 30 2011 20:00 GMT
#673
Fuck this shit man. Caller, since you are now saying bc and fishball are mafia and RoL is town, he must have been telling the truth about being shot. If you are telling the truth and BC is mafia then you probably hit RoL yourself and pushed for his lynch knowing he was town. Either way one of Fishball/RoL/BC is mafia, there's no way around it. You want to kill all of them and that makes you SK.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 30 2011 21:06 GMT
#688
I think I made it pretty clear that I think VisceraEyes is scum. It made sense that RoL was also scum since he refused to lynch VisceraEyes, thus that made you DT for real. Caller also defended VisceraEyes and was the main reason he did not get lynched day1 AND has being claiming a fuckton of roles and getting away with it. I'm actually not even bothering to respond to all his shit since 90% of it are lies. I'm 100% confident he's either SK or Scum. As for LSB I'm not sure anymore, but I felt like he was town all game. ilovejonn I have no clue to be honest.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 01 2011 23:49 GMT
#716
No, scum is caller and viscera. Possibly jonn too.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 06:43 GMT
#726
Mind = Blown. Guess caller is town. Time to reread.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 07:09 GMT
#728
On July 02 2011 15:48 Caller wrote:
alright then screw it mass roleclaims. go.

Agreed. VT here.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 07:10 GMT
#729
Medic claim VT pls.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 07:47 GMT
#731
I got no night actions, I'm vanilla townie.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 07:52 GMT
#733
Caller, are you saying someone else besides you shot bc? WTF how does that make any sense? Why would someone shoot BC if they tought you were shooting him?
I though you were town cuz you refused to lynch Viscera, so that leaves SK. But that also doesn't make sense cuz an SK would totally lynch viscera.
You simply make no sense at all.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 02 2011 07:54 GMT
#734
RoL is confirmed scum unless Ace is a huge troll and made it closed setup + millers which is insane.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 03 2011 16:20 GMT
#875
I totally agree with palmar to go with option B.

Here goes my list of doom:
Amber[Light]
Kurumi
Chezinu
(Jackal58?)

I'm willing to bet the last mafia are all here. I can't analyse shit this game and I blame you trolls for making my life dificult. Luckly I have it right this time.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 04 2011 19:38 GMT
#920
I claimed already, vanilla townie. Well either LSB is lieing and fooled me all game and him and jonn are scum OR chezinu is godfather along with kurumi. Only one thing doesn't feel right about LSB claim to me, which is the fact that LSB claimed a shot night 2 which was theoretically the only night caller did not shoot. Also he claimed to have shot RoL and somehow he did not die.
Either way I like hanging chezinu better today.
##Vote: Chezinu
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 04 2011 19:54 GMT
#923
On July 05 2011 04:40 Palmar wrote:
Why are you assuming only 2 scum remain?

Because no one else makes sense as scum. If there are more I'm fucking oblivious to who it can be.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 04 2011 21:40 GMT
#938
Kurumi it's kinda nice that you jump from Sandroba is obvious town to "he scumsliped" and votes for me for no reason. Also Chez and LSB both lieing about me not roleclaiming, when I was the first to do so, just to throw suspicion on me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 04 2011 23:19 GMT
#961
LOL wtf Palmar you are playing like ace. You say I'm scummy for no fucking reason then keep pushing that thought until people start agreeing with you. I'm not scum. Scum is Chezinu and kurumi or ilovejonn and LSB. If there's a third scum still alive then it's palmar for sure.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 04 2011 23:36 GMT
#965
That was a compliment on your scum play btw. You will not get away with it this time.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 05 2011 04:54 GMT
#975
I would like to point you to this post and the sequence of posts after it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762&currentpage=28#547
Take your own conclusions.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 06 2011 02:55 GMT
#989
sorry for not being able to think of a way out =P
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 06 2011 08:57 GMT
#992
...
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 06:32 GMT
#1160
fuck yes hi5 citi.zen!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 06:34 GMT
#1161
Ty for the credit, but the claim was as much his idea as mine, we came up with it toghether! You rule bro, nice game.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 06:52 GMT
#1171
Chezinu, you are a great player and I wanted to kill you since night 0. Your only problem is credibility =P
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 06:54 GMT
#1173
We got extremelly fucked when our rb died night 0. Can't believe we still managed to win this.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 07:11 GMT
#1177
S2 chezinu. If I were town I would have told you to troll the same way.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 07:13 GMT
#1178
Also let me reminf you guys that YM claimed Bernard, so all theories regarding Scum being fed fake claims have gone to hell. I claimed Lenin, so as long as no one counter claims me you have no reason to doubt it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 07:22 GMT
#1182
On July 09 2011 16:13 sandroba wrote:
Also let me reminf you guys that YM claimed Bernard, so all theories regarding Scum being fed fake claims have gone to hell. I claimed Lenin, so as long as no one counter claims me you have no reason to doubt it.

lol wrong thread
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 11:43 GMT
#1196
Man this game was hard as fuck for us, since town had an insane amount of blue roles and our roleblocker got sniped night 0.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 11:44 GMT
#1197
Yeah, that's weird, what about other players that claimed roles?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 14:58 GMT
#1218
Also I'm curious about something.
@LSB is the "..." I posted after kurumi asked "Did we win already?" is what influenced you on hitting him?
Pretty balled if it is.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 15:00 GMT
#1219
On July 09 2011 23:34 GMarshal wrote:
I was so pissed when I died n0. Thanks for the invite Ace, your game was awesome, as usual.


I also really liked the smaller size and the majority lynch rules. Town seemed kind of stacked, but thats inevitable in a game that can potentially be no flip all game long.

You getting killed night 0 reaaaaaly fucked us over and limited our options imensely. Bad luck indeed or incredible prowess by caller =P.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 15:13 GMT
#1221
Forgot to thank Ace for the extremelly fun game. You are a boss good sir.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 09 2011 15:16 GMT
#1222
On July 10 2011 00:12 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:
Great game. I now wish I had waited 1 more day to confirm Amber. I was afraid he was going to get lynched though. Everybody had him down as scum.

Why was Decon mod killed? That hurt.


Breadcrumbing my role There was nothing in the OP to suggest it was illegal so I feel it was kinda harsh.

Yeah, I feel like that's the way ace thought to fix a bad situation, not to punish you for doing something ilegal. A better way to prevent that from happening would be to put different flavor text in the pms, but by that point that could not be changed.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 10 2011 11:59 GMT
#1261
I'm dissapointed that no one proved I'm scum and lynched me out of the blue =(
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