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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212874 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216543 GMarshal: -Policy lynch Chezinu Day 1. Each game is different, so he certainly deserves a chance. So far he seems to playing fine so I don't agree with it. If neccessary (if we have one) he can be vigged. -Lynch both DT and DT's guilty. I feel that, while this is a good idea in a lot of circumstances, there are occasions where mafia could abuse this policy, especially given that its a closed setup and we don't know what roles are around. Definitely should be some discussion before enacting this automatically here. -Claims: I feel there are occasions where claiming is the right choice, but should be met with extreme scepticism. As there is no way to verify any claims, don't do it unless you have a damn good reason (medic protect/vig shot) Radfield: -Inactive Day 1 lynch. I agree with, unless something happens during Night 0. If you have a look at ROL's Experimental 1, you'll see that inactives lost us the game. Going into the last day we had people with a handful of posts each, totally unable to be analysed. One thing that should absolutely not be tolerated in a no-flip game is lurkers. -Claims: Same as above, we can see what will happen after night 0. | ||
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The only problem is when mafia kill a DT we won't know so we can't look back at their posts to see if they breadcrumbed anything. | ||
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On June 26 2011 03:24 Radfield wrote: I think it is a better use of the coroner role to lynch the potential red first, and then the dt a day later. That way if it turns out the dt was telling the truth, we get to keep our dt alive. Only problem with that is we don't even know if we have a coroner, or how it works if we do. | ||
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On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. So why not suggest something else to talk about isntead of popping into the thread to shoot down the current discussion and just disappear? | ||
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On June 26 2011 07:45 GGQ wrote: -1 point for questioning the value of discussion without bringing up another topic -1 point for insulting other posters -1 point for outright refusing to contribute. 'I'm not here to give answers' ... ??? Yeah you kind of are, unless you don't want town to win. Bored townie or mafia. Either way a good day 1 lynch candidate. | ||
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Fishball and Caller have been totally useless, and I'm waiting to see if LSB has anything to say. These are the people that should be up for lynching today. In a no reveal setup, anyone thats just fucking around without giving of any reads needs to die. Chezinu is playing properly despite all expectations. Mafia that wants to win? | ||
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On June 27 2011 19:33 Kurumi wrote: GGQ was killed because he is lucky when it comes to being mafia,gg vigilante. Wait, are you claiming you shot GGQ? | ||
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On June 27 2011 21:43 deconduo wrote: Unless I see them step up their posting significantly, I would suggest Fishball/Caller for today. No use keeping them around to crap up the thread. On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. -Super defensive -Resorting to (bad) personal attacks -Still hasn't contributed. Has Fishball stepped up his posting? Nope. ##Vote Fishball | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can see your issue on caller, fishball has actually been fairly solid -_- he says alot with very little whereas people like radfield say almost nothing with a lot. FoS for looking at the wrong people. Show me one 'solid' contribution from Fishball please Find me a post of yours that shows real contribution or you are as guilty as he is. Personal attack? He compared your play this game to a game you were red, IE he FoS'd you. You missed the point and attacked him without answering it. FoS again. No it was a personal attack. He has said repeatedly elsewhere that I made the wrong play in PYP3 (which I disagree with) and this is what he was referencing. Nothing to do with being mafia, YOU read it wrong. As for contributing posts, I've done my best considering its only Day 1 so how about these two: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 20:36 deconduo wrote: First off, I highly encourage people to have a look through RoL's experimental mafia games. These were mini no-flip games where everyone was anonymous: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212874 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216543 GMarshal: -Policy lynch Chezinu Day 1. Each game is different, so he certainly deserves a chance. So far he seems to playing fine so I don't agree with it. If neccessary (if we have one) he can be vigged. -Lynch both DT and DT's guilty. I feel that, while this is a good idea in a lot of circumstances, there are occasions where mafia could abuse this policy, especially given that its a closed setup and we don't know what roles are around. Definitely should be some discussion before enacting this automatically here. -Claims: I feel there are occasions where claiming is the right choice, but should be met with extreme scepticism. As there is no way to verify any claims, don't do it unless you have a damn good reason (medic protect/vig shot) Radfield: -Inactive Day 1 lynch. I agree with, unless something happens during Night 0. If you have a look at ROL's Experimental 1, you'll see that inactives lost us the game. Going into the last day we had people with a handful of posts each, totally unable to be analysed. One thing that should absolutely not be tolerated in a no-flip game is lurkers. -Claims: Same as above, we can see what will happen after night 0. On June 27 2011 18:26 deconduo wrote: First of all, if a townie shot last night they should claim imo. Otherwise I'm going to assume theres 2 anti-town KP. I don't see why a townie would shoot either of the most active players, especially as neither of them has done anything suspicious. Fishball and Caller have been totally useless, and I'm waiting to see if LSB has anything to say. These are the people that should be up for lynching today. In a no reveal setup, anyone thats just fucking around without giving of any reads needs to die. Chezinu is playing properly despite all expectations. Mafia that wants to win? | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Decon, seriously? All his posts are direct and to the point. Have you ever played a game with him before? This is how he plays. His posts are his contributions, each one are very pro town. As for you "contribution" it is a rehash of shit already in thread and "i agrees" to shit. Its not solid contributing. Hell i was inactive during the night but damn, is this shit really going unnoticed by everyone? Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 13:18 Fishball wrote: Why am I Town again. I loathe Town. Useless On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? Awesome, both dead. Only 2 mafia left now. Useless On June 25 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Can't we just start the blood shed now. This is boring. Useless On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. Complains and doesn't help at all. In other words useless, On June 26 2011 06:53 Fishball wrote: First, I only asked a question regarding the logic behind this Day 1 lynch discussion on a Night 0 start. This is far from "shooting down the current discussion". For all I care, you guys can just ignore what I said and continue. Hell we only have 6 hours or so left. Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. More complaining and doing nothing. On June 26 2011 08:39 Fishball wrote: - Who says I have to bring up another topic? - When did I insult other players? I said "If you're" - Bad reading comprehension is bad. - Refusing to contribute? You obviously don't see what I see. I'm keeping a close eye on all those who have proposed their grand lynching plan. Defends himself but still doesn't give anything useful. On June 26 2011 09:20 Fishball wrote: How can you forget? You had half a hand in it. In DrH's experimental game, I purposely got myself lynched as a social experiment and player profiling. Then I was also lynched in PYP3 where I was the Traitor, which was to be expected after lynching you confirmed a Traitor existed in the game and it was only a matter of time people worked up the list. My main purpose at that time was to waste as many lynches as possible. In short, I was never lynched as a real Mafia candidate ever since the start of TL Mafia in Feb 2008. Spam On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote: You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is. Anyways, who are you killing tonight? Spam On June 27 2011 07:18 Fishball wrote: Ding Ding Ding. Finally someone notices their own mistake, whether legit or not. This is why I said - It's mind boggling to me that some players would not notice this, or they're doing it on purpose. I wonder why. Awesomely helpful On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. It is not likely this game will have that sort of setup. That would be way overboard. I'm more intrigued that you would even think that way. More useless stuff. Direct and to the point. If the point is to be utterly useless. | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:47 Kurumi wrote: Post by post analysis? Jeez,that's so two thousand and late. Not so much an analysis as showing that he hasn't done ANYTHING so far this game, despite what BC is claiming. | ||
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On June 28 2011 03:19 Fishball wrote: Herp derp, someone likes to live in his own fantasy world. I can quote all the post game analysis done on you by OTHERS after this game, as well as our little PM conversation that I treasure like a maiden's virginity. You can continue to be delusional as you will, but I'm sure other players can figure out things on their own. I rest my case  | ||
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On June 28 2011 04:02 Jackal58 wrote: Wow Ace sure did collect some of the most aggressive players here for this game. Giant elephant peni sparring with giant polish sausages. Should be a fun ride. Just looking at meta on decon from the several games I've played with him I get the feeling he is town. He's not bashful straight out of the gate as a townie. He tends to be more subdued when he plays scum until late game. Good to know for my next game as mafia  | ||
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Fishball, if you don't step up your posting I'm vigging you tonight. Unless I can get you lynched first. | ||
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On June 28 2011 06:39 Fishball wrote: You can do whatever you like. I post whatever I want, when I want. Your threats only makes yourself look dumb. When I flip Town at the end of game, you can then blurt out "Fishball, you played so bad. You're so useless so I vigi'd you. Sucks that you are green but you dug your own grave." Nevermind, I just said it for you. Anything else? I'm like 75% sure you're green. You are just useless. Think of it as cutting off dead skin. | ||
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On June 28 2011 07:26 Fishball wrote: Scum tell right there, again. "I think you're green, but I also think you're useless, so you must die." With a no-flip setup, what an opportunity to take out a player! If we don't have a solid lynch candidate, you just made yourself one. 'Oh no, I'm going to get killed if I don't starting playing properly. Oh wait, lets just try and get the guy killed instead. That way he can't kill me' | ||
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On June 28 2011 07:47 Fishball wrote: See people? Fine example of a typical logic twister; Doesn't even talk sense at all. Let's see how many of the remaining 14 players would agree with your claim of killing a "likely 75% townie", or my claim of you being Mafia using a no-flip setup to disguise your kill. I'm done with you for the cycle, feel free to bark more nonsense. All you have to do is to stop fucking about, but its obvious you are unwilling to do that. Have fun with the bullet in your head tonight. | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:06 LSB wrote: About Fishball, he doesn't like to post what he considers useless, and that includes most of pre-game talk. And deconduo, what do you think, should we focus day 1 on policy lynches or scumhunting? Scumhunting Day 1 is difficult, but it is possible. So far however only BC seems to have made an effort at it. I'm just pissed at Fishball for trolling so I haven't been paying proper attention to the game. My bad. I'll deal with Fishball tonight. I think Caller is still a good option so that we might actually have some decent discussion tomorrow. As for people I think might be mafia; I don't know why BC is defending Fishball, so I find that suspicious. If he comes back to the thread and tries to get me lynched I'd be pretty certain the two of them are mafia. Could flip either way for me atm though. ILJ has disappeared. FOS on him for that. Jackal and I aren't having a full on fight, so he's probably mafia. ##Unvote Fishball | ||
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Not exactly soft. On June 28 2011 06:15 deconduo wrote: Lets liven things up a bit more. Fishball, if you don't step up your posting I'm vigging you tonight. Unless I can get you lynched first. On June 28 2011 07:50 deconduo wrote: Have fun with the bullet in your head tonight. | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:46 Jackal58 wrote: Lol. I was waiting for you to finish your pissing contest with fishball before I started calling you an idiot for wanting to kill a in your opinion a 75% green player. Wtf is it with people calling active "But I think he's town" players useless? Seriously dude. Quit swinging your dick around. It's not that impressive. Well I can use my shot on someone who's shitting up the thread, and there is still a chance is mafia. Or I can wait for mafia to kill me. Fun fact, 75% green is the same odds of him being mafia as me shooting a random person (4/16 - If no mafia are dead) Also I missed you yelling at me <3 | ||
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On June 28 2011 19:24 Palmar wrote: Well, then you're encouraging us to trust him, and that's fine too. Also, you're completely wrong on the "he's probably green but lets kill" as something mafia wouldn't say, that's exactly what mafia would say. One of the little reasons I don't like deconduo is that this is the second time in the thread that he's trying to make sure that he's not certain on his suspicions. Somewhere in the thread he said about fishball "bored townie or mafia". Which again, is exactly what I'd say as mafia. Drive home a kill on a townie, and then hide behind the excuse "well I said he was probably green" or "he was bad for town anyway". You can see why mafia would like this yeah? Kill greens, don't take the blame? On a side note, I'm glad you're committing. Now tell us why he's scum. Its no flip brah. | ||
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-Fishball is mafia. Mafia are scared that I'm going to kill him so they are trying to get me lynched. I would put Fishball, BC, Kurumi as scum. Other possible suspects are Palmar, Jackal, Chezinu. Radfield, LSB are probably town. -Fishball is town. Mafia are just lurking away happy at the fact that nothing is going on. Chaoser, ILJ, sandroba would be my biggest suspects. Radfield, BC, Caller (*sigh*), probably town. If you put a gun to my head, given how the game has played out so far, my gut says option number 2 right now. If you want me to say something like Fishball is 100% town or 100% mafia, don't be dumb. Its day 1, theres not exactly a lot to go on. I don't know anything for certain. I do know that Fishball has been pretty unhelpful so far. When he was asked nicely to step up his game he refused. When he was threatened to step up his game he refused. As such, unless a better target presents itself, I'm shooting him tonight. | ||
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On June 28 2011 21:43 Kurumi wrote: You were die hard on Fishball,now betting him as town.. Yeah. Please find one post of mine where I said Fishball is mafia. Useless is not the same as scummy, though ultimately both are anti-town. | ||
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On June 28 2011 23:02 Jackal58 wrote: Again just to clarify. I did not call you scummy. I professed my ignorance of your alignment. Decon - You a VI? Or just missing the village part? You're making about as much sense as tits on a fish. I tried to encourage someone to post properly, which they refused to do. So I threaten to shoot them, but they still don't cooperate. Yet people still think this person is pro-town? And I'm not making any sense? | ||
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On June 28 2011 23:42 Jackal58 wrote: Role claims in a no flip game on day 1 make no sense. Unless you're trying to get shot. That's also worrisome. If you're a vet there would be easier ways to go about it. If you're a VI type role we may have problems. Sorry but I find your vig claim to be unbelievable atm. As far as Fishballs usefulness or lack thereof it's not any different than yours right now. What have you accomplished other than creating an air of animosity and a great big steaming pile of WTF? Fishball has pretty much openly declared that he doesn't give a shit: Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. I have been trying at least. Anyway, forget about Fishball I've already said I'm dealing with him tonight. Today's lynch is getting closer and the only candidate that seems to be up for lynching is chaoser. | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:27 Palmar wrote: Call me naive, but I assume everyone is here to try to win. I don't think anyone is going to argue that mindless trolling, followed by the defense of "but that guy is trolling more", is in any way helpful for the town. I know Kurumi is capable of playing against his win condition (see PTP) but in a game full of experienced vets, I'd expect him to at least try to win, instead of looking at this as his own little playground. So assuming he's playing to win, that leaves only the possibility of him being mafia. So yes, trolling = mafia. So Caller and Fishball are mafia as well then? | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Sorry, I am going to catch up now. RTM required quote a bit of focus especially in the early hours of the game. I think I got something like 25 PM's within the first few hours, not to mention thread questions and actions. Oh you're hosting it. My bad. ##Unvote RebirthOfLegend ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:29 Palmar wrote: Caller just might be. Fishball has contributed more than you. People keep saying that, yet are unable to point to a single contribution by him. Mafia team: Fishball BC Kurumi Palmar | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:15 Palmar wrote: I don't like either of the lynch targets at the moment. Chaoser/VisEyes is being voted for not contributing, but well... he got replaced out of the game because he didn't have time, and VisEyes just came in. deconduo's actions make no sense at all, not as mafia and not as town. It's astonishing he did what he did, but my best bet at the moment is to put it down to terrible town play. We can always lynch him tomorrow if the mafia doesn't end him. So, in my opinion we need to think up a new lynch. I actually think Kurumi would be a good choice, but one thing is bothering me. He's been dropping italicized numbers into his posts which doesn't quite feel like a mafia ability. However he's scummy as hell so I'm willing to lynch him. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote: All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote: Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly? | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:45 LSB wrote: Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes. If there is a roleblocker and Fishball is mafia then yes, I will be blocked. Then I'm going to have a fun day tomorrow that will probably, given how most people are acting so far, end up with me lynched. However if Fishball is town then I'm sure mafia will be happy to let me kill him. Win-Win situation. | ||
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On July 03 2011 04:07 Kurumi wrote: I stick a knife in one of Vietnamese soldier's ass,he shit onto it and I still have it at home,want me to stick it into Your butt after You get lynched? Post of the day imo  | ||
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On July 09 2011 20:34 Radfield wrote: Why did Deconduo get modkilled? This post: On June 28 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote: The shady Iraqis who sold me my shotgun only gave me one bullet. I was breadcrumbing my role which turned out to be illegal  Its also how Caller knew I was legit. | ||
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On July 09 2011 23:39 Jackal58 wrote: Great game. I now wish I had waited 1 more day to confirm Amber. I was afraid he was going to get lynched though. Everybody had him down as scum.Why was Decon mod killed? That hurt. Breadcrumbing my role There was nothing in the OP to suggest it was illegal so I feel it was kinda harsh. | ||
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On July 10 2011 00:17 Ace wrote: o.0 There is no way for a Vigilante to breadcrumb their role unless you want to somehow prove you shot someone in prior nights which is hard to justify. When you breadcrumb it means hiding results of past investigations, or past Medic protections so that when you die people can figure it out. You can't do that using a PM because no one else would know what it means unless they have the same PM or you quote it directly from the mod. That was the point, if there was another vig in the game they would know my claim is legit. Still, it was a good game and I don't mind too much. | ||
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On July 10 2011 00:42 Chezinu wrote: I agree. I think it was the modkills and town lies that was mafia favored. I made a list of people that lied earlier in the thread. Yep, I think it was pretty well balanced and thought out. | ||
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