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On June 27 2011 01:19 Ace wrote: LSB and Caller still need to confirm. 12 hours from now Night 0 ends. Sorry about that, is it too late to /confirm? Anyways time to start the readthrough | ||
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On June 25 2011 13:14 GMarshal wrote: 1.) We disbelieve all roleclaims. The game is no flip, so any claims are completely unconformable! I for one will ignore all claims. Since we can't prove them, then they have no bearing, ignore *all* claims. 2.) Since there is no flip there is no way to confirm dts. So we hang any dt who claims to have found mafia and then we lynch their claimed check. No questions asked, this is a good trade for the town 1:1 and a terrible trade for mafia. With this policy we keep the mafia from fake claiming to fuck with us. I Am deeply troubled by this post. First of all, having blue roles is always better than having no blue roles. I'd rather play a game with 9 greens 5 blues 4 reds (Numbers may not be accurate, but if they are, I take all credit) than a game with 14 greens and 4 reds. Secondly, lets think, have we ever played a no reveal game where blue roles were used? Yep! TL Mafia XXXVI In this no role reveal game, greens were instrumental in pinning down and hunting the mafia from a near lylo situation. In fact, Gmarshal was in it, and he saw how blue claims preformed in the game. Gmarshal should know that blue roles are extremely useful, even if they cannot be confirmed. Now this makes me pretty suspicious of GMarshal, but keep in mind, he probably prepared the post before game and would post it no matter what alignment he got. Of course, he's not the first one with This Idea | ||
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On June 27 2011 21:40 Amber[LighT] wrote: Also the magic number is 9, but we're going to strive to get the vote number up to 13. This means every mafia can try and 'vote swap' and their attempts will fail. The number is always Magic Number + Potential Mafia Total, so remember it. Just saying, the momement the magic number hits, the vote ends. This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the majority has voted or after the deadline has passed will not count. So how about a Big Bold FOS on anyone who hammers without a good reason Although Gmarshal is not with us and probably is town, I think I should still answer this. On June 27 2011 12:24 GMarshal wrote: Anyway, this is a closed setup XXXVI was semi-open, this means that fake claims are a lot easier to pull off here. If I claim something like Funerary House Director and make up powers to go along with it, well then, how are you going to prove me wrong? Also IIRC the only claim that was carried out in XXXVI was a fake dt claim by the mafia, to get a SK lynched, which was only counteracted by some screwiness with missing PM's for the serial killer or something like that. Still its been a while, and I've learned a lot about playing mafia since then. Firstly, although there was a fake dt claim, it was the counter claim by the third party that shut down the claim. Fake claims are something we're going to have to accept as necessary hazard in working in a closed setup, and actually can help the town as it spotlights attention on mafia, something they try to avoid. In addition, the semi-openess doesn't matter. It's just like XXXVI, sure you know that there could be a DT (and we're pretty sure there is a DT in this game), but you don't know if there is 1, 2 or even none at all. The fake claim is just as easy to pull off. | ||
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Night 0 Mafia hits GMarshal Caller hits GGQ This is my interpretation, but it would be useful if I just kept this up. | ||
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On June 27 2011 22:57 Kurumi wrote: LSB,why the heck are You discussing night hits when we don't know shit,why do You suspect Caller killing GGQ? I know there are people with motive to kill GGQ,but betting it on Caller just because is dumb. I think we should leave Night hits for now. Well considering no one has counterclaimed Caller right now I'm inclined to believe him. + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2011 13:16 Caller wrote: oh wow ggq, sorry bro, if i had known that sodomy left your anus open enough to make you "annihlated" i woulda not brought that horse in. also ace you gave me a buggy role where is my shot and my save How about you? What do you think about Caller's claim? Is he fooling around? Or is he serious? | ||
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On June 27 2011 23:15 Kurumi wrote: He claimed three roles at once,so he is vanilla or veteran,is that so hard? I do not follow that logic. | ||
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On June 28 2011 02:41 deconduo wrote: Yes I have and he was terrible in both games. He got lynched in both games and thoroughly deserved it. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 13:18 Fishball wrote: Why am I Town again. I loathe Town. Useless On June 25 2011 13:27 Fishball wrote: Mafia list: 1. GCQ 2. GMarshal 3. ??? 4. ??? Awesome, both dead. Only 2 mafia left now. Useless On June 25 2011 13:32 Fishball wrote: Can't we just start the blood shed now. This is boring. Useless On June 26 2011 05:41 Fishball wrote: Why are we discussing Day 1 lynch so much for now? It's a Night 0 start, and a lot can develop over to Day 1. Complains and doesn't help at all. In other words useless, On June 26 2011 06:53 Fishball wrote: First, I only asked a question regarding the logic behind this Day 1 lynch discussion on a Night 0 start. This is far from "shooting down the current discussion". For all I care, you guys can just ignore what I said and continue. Hell we only have 6 hours or so left. Second, if you're too dumb to figure out a better topic, that's your problem. Like I said, I asked a question; I'm not here to give answers. More complaining and doing nothing. On June 26 2011 08:39 Fishball wrote: - Who says I have to bring up another topic? - When did I insult other players? I said "If you're" - Bad reading comprehension is bad. - Refusing to contribute? You obviously don't see what I see. I'm keeping a close eye on all those who have proposed their grand lynching plan. Defends himself but still doesn't give anything useful. On June 26 2011 09:20 Fishball wrote: How can you forget? You had half a hand in it. In DrH's experimental game, I purposely got myself lynched as a social experiment and player profiling. Then I was also lynched in PYP3 where I was the Traitor, which was to be expected after lynching you confirmed a Traitor existed in the game and it was only a matter of time people worked up the list. My main purpose at that time was to waste as many lynches as possible. In short, I was never lynched as a real Mafia candidate ever since the start of TL Mafia in Feb 2008. Spam On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote: You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is. Anyways, who are you killing tonight? Spam On June 27 2011 07:18 Fishball wrote: Ding Ding Ding. Finally someone notices their own mistake, whether legit or not. This is why I said - It's mind boggling to me that some players would not notice this, or they're doing it on purpose. I wonder why. Awesomely helpful On June 27 2011 23:23 Fishball wrote: Such a hypocrite, and daft to boot. Although after what you displayed in PYP3, I expected nothing less from you. Or do you have a different agenda? Oh well, time will tell. It is not likely this game will have that sort of setup. That would be way overboard. I'm more intrigued that you would even think that way. More useless stuff. Direct and to the point. If the point is to be utterly useless. Just saying, although I didn't follow PYP Insane, I'm pretty sure he was a greenie. And I dunno about you, but lynching greenies kindof unsettles me. | ||
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On June 28 2011 06:41 deconduo wrote: I'm like 75% sure you're green. You are just useless. Think of it as cutting off dead skin. About Fishball, he doesn't like to post what he considers useless, and that includes most of pre-game talk. And deconduo, what do you think, should we focus day 1 on policy lynches or scumhunting? | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:21 deconduo wrote: I'll deal with Fishball tonight. I think Caller is still a good option so that we might actually have some decent discussion tomorrow. Soft blue claim? | ||
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Tier 1 are medic protects, people that tend to die really early. Two seems like a good number to put there. Radfield dies early, and as for you, well you do got the rep that draws hits. Tier 3 are players who usually would not draw mafia hits and are good DT checks as they are the ones most likely to survive to the end. Normally they are newer players, however someone like Caller would normally be Tier Three cause so many people want him dead. Tier 2 is everyone else Now, this is not a defense of Chaoser, but I'm just oftly proud of (most) of my creations. Although it is easy to put together, As for Chaoser's true intent, well, I don't think calling out caller is anything original either | ||
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Now, back to the important stuff About Deconduo and Fishball Deconduo believes that Fishball should die, and would like nothing better to stand over his dead body. Fishball believes Deconduo is mafia (correct me if I'm wrong on this), and therefore wouldn't be able to vig shot him, but rather would use a mafia hit. What's an easy way to deal with this problem? Easy! Stick them in a cage and see who comes out alive. Just let deconduo shoot Fishball tonight. Oh, and can I please ask vigs to not hit people? Thx *If Fishball survives, well, deconduo has some explaing to do *If we find two bodies tomorrow morning, deconduo is a bit better off in his story *If all we find tomorrow is Fishball dead, one body. Well, back to square one. There! Clean and simple solution that doesn't waste a lynch | ||
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Certainly if we wake up tomorrow and Fishball and Caller are both killed, deconduo seems a bit more believable. If tomorrow only one person is killed, well something fishy went on and deconduo is a bit less believable. As for analyzing I'm getting a null read on Fishy, and deconduo I'm bothered by his confidance in his KP. | ||
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On June 28 2011 21:56 Palmar wrote: Hi, I want to write a little piece on the most helpful player in town. He thinks he's Ace, but he isn't. Also, he's bad. And he's scum. Nice analysis, only someone like you could honestly think such bullshit, but no worries, you can just hide behind the fact that "you're trolling". Oh wait, that's bad for town too. If you know something that the town doesnt, care to share? ok, so you're not only being deliberately bad, but you're also refusing to try to help. There's nothing to it but scum. Can we just shoot him yet? Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list? Now to add my own two cents. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I haven't played with Kurumi yet, but a quick overview over his posting history shows that he normally isn't this aggressive. In addition, I don't believe he has played as mafia yet here, and the first time as mafia is always difficult. Could the aggressiveness be a sign of defensiveness? Or did I skim over his posts in XL too much? + Show Spoiler [Spam] + Ooh that's a clever flowchart, doesn't seem that fun but it helps | ||
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##VOTE: Chaoser Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote: LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole. I will gladly answer everything. Missed that game. All right, I'll take a look at it | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote: LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole. I will gladly answer everything. Your aggressiveness is new (from what I've gathered), your mafia experience is not. So I'll stick you back in the null reads box since Palmar cleared up his analysis. | ||
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On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use. All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. | ||
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So Unvote ##Vote: Deconduo | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote: And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:43 deconduo wrote: And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly? Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes. | ||
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On June 29 2011 07:48 deconduo wrote: If there is a roleblocker and Fishball is mafia then yes, I will be blocked. Then I'm going to have a fun day tomorrow that will probably, given how most people are acting so far, end up with me lynched. However if Fishball is town then I'm sure mafia will be happy to let me kill him. Win-Win situation. Exactly, so you see why a vig would never claim? | ||
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Day 1 Votes With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch deconduo (3) - Fishball, ilovejohn, LSB VisceraEyes (7) - BloodyC0bbler, sandroba, Radfield, deconduo, Amber[LighT], RebirthofLegend, Jackal58 LSB (1) - Caller Palmar (1) - Scamp Kurumi (1) - Palmar Amber[LighT] (1) - VisceraEyes ilovejonn (1) - Kurumi Not voting yet - Chezinu 3 Hours Till day ends I would like to note that there is three hours till day ends and a lynch is better than a no-lynch. It would be best if we all focused on these two candidates. Deconduo, and VisceraEyes. | ||
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On June 29 2011 22:31 Caller wrote: In other words, in about 15 posts LSB has not said one goddamn thing and got away with it. He's either a blue or scum, and I feel LSB would be far more aggressive if he were a blue than he is now. Well... I don't really have annul to tunnel day 1, and I don't find anyone one else convincingly scum. So I'm sitting back for now Oh yeah, and you kindof missed a few larger posts that said some stuff in that massive wall of text. What's up with the widesweeeping generalization? | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote: Oooh that makes more sense. ##VOTE: Chaoser Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi | ||
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On June 29 2011 23:46 Caller wrote: they're all useless and say nothing. Show us why you don't think they're useless. You're avoiding the question. All you did was take my posts and collectively say their useless to try to build some kind of 'contribution' cause people have been on your back for trolling. | ||
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On June 30 2011 01:34 Caller wrote: you have no question. It's very obvious why they are useless. Your job is to explain to the town why you think the rest of your posts have any merit at all when they are just euphemism for HMM DE HMM. also seeing as how nobody is ccing my claim I think we can conclude that I a) killed GMarshal with my one bullet b) am a Vigilante I haven't ruled out the possibility that you are the SK, or if the Mafia has access to a one time second KP. | ||
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On June 29 2011 22:31 Caller wrote: This is me putting pressure on deconduo, since I don't believe his vig claim and I was pointing out the inconsistencies. This "one liner" says I lot, but I don't need to make a bulleted point list to pretend I'm saying more than one thing. Now answer my question, you have only brought up one instance that I agreed was a bit of spam, what about the other 13 posts? In fact, you have completely ignored the point and tried to distract people from it. On June 30 2011 01:43 Caller wrote: a) Nice to know that you know there's an SK. Have something to share? b) you're wifoming out of your ass here. by that argument it turns out im actually an insane dt that was bussed onto a dead guy. Also you didn't answer my question. c) I would shoot you now if I could. I really, really want to. But ruining GMarshal's day takes priority. The fact boils down to this. There is no way to know if you are pro-town or ainti town and therefore I am not putting you in the green box just because 2 people died night one. | ||
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On June 30 2011 18:31 Kurumi wrote: Oh also,I am up for killing any fucking Coroner who shows up tomorrow. You can go to hell. The probability You're Scum Coroner are as high as Sea Towers in Gdynia. I support this, for my own reasons. Oh and ##Vote: RebirthofLegend | ||
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On July 01 2011 22:40 Chezinu wrote: So Caller will kill BC. Town will lynch Fishball. After that we lynch citi.zen. Then we lynch Jackal58 the following day. If the game isn't over we kill sandroba next. So why are we ignoring VisceraEyes again? | ||
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Caller is lying Night 0 I Protected BC, trying to see if someone would snipe him. Nothing happened Night 1 I used a Mimic Action on RoL. Mimic allows me to target a player and mimic whatever action they did the previous night. I found out from Ace that if I mimiced a mafia, I would mimic the mafia kill action in addition to any night actions. So what I did was Mimic Rol to himself. If Rol was mafia he'd shoot himself. If he wasn't, he wouldn't. It was a free role check + vig hit. What happened was that I mimiced Rol trying to shoot someone, and also I mimiced Rol trying to investigate a dead body. This proves that RoL was the Mafia Coronor My two ways of verifying this claim is in thread is 1) I claim that I shot Rol Night 1, no one else has claimed the shot. 2) I breadcrumbed Rol's coroner claim in case he would have tried to use it. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 23:13 LSB wrote: I support this, for my own reasons. Oh and ##Vote: RebirthofLegend Night 2 Because Caller said that he was going to shoot BC, I decided to use my Watch action on BC. Guess what I saw? Only one person visited BC last night, and that was Caller. ##Vote: Caller | ||
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On July 02 2011 16:10 sandroba wrote: Medic claim VT pls. Agreed, it's best for the Medic (I'm pretty sure there is one) to claim Vanilla town | ||
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On July 02 2011 22:59 Kurumi wrote: @LSB That only proves Caller is indeed a vigilante because Mafia would be more concerned about taking out Fishball the DT -_- Indeed. But what about this? On July 02 2011 16:24 Caller wrote: by the way i just noticed i had a pm, apparently I was roleblocked yesterday. So I still have my shot ^^ Caller is lying about being Roleblocked, and I wouldn't trust any explanation he would give. | ||
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On July 02 2011 23:04 Kurumi wrote: @LSB He was roleblocked when? Night 2? He claimed that he was roleblocked night 2. | ||
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I'm just reporting what I saw. If you want explanations, I'd ask caller. | ||
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On July 03 2011 01:02 Caller wrote: Why don't you list your "powers" to the rest of us,; I find it highly unlikely that a Jack would have both a watcher's ability as well as a highly powerful mimic. Yeah, I'm not going to tell the mafia what I have in me. Your proof in doing so involves highly intentionally vague statements. You also claim that RoL investigated a dead body. Wouldn't your "mimic" also give you the results of that dead body? I mimiced Rol to himself, but sadly for some reason, he was still alive. On July 03 2011 01:11 Caller wrote: This is pretty fucking convenient, isn't it. LSB targets the exact same fucking people that Fishball does, in the exact same fucking order. First of all 1. Night 0 I target BC, because he's the fattest target on the list 2. Day 1, Rol paints himself red by doing one of the scummiest vote switches I've seen in a while, I try to eliminate him 3. Day 2, you claim your going to shoot BC, I don't trust you, so I decide to watch BC to see what happens. I see you. On July 03 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote: We just make LSB mimic Caller's action on jonn,deal? Yeah, I've already used up the mimic action, I can't use it again. And I don't see what that would do On July 03 2011 08:44 ilovejonn wrote: I honestly have no clue where all the KP is coming from, but I really don't think it's from vigilantes. What I know for sure is that Caller has been claiming A LOT of shots and I still haven't found any shot landing on scum besides our LYNCH of RoL. We need to get rid of this guy's anti-town KP. He is definitely scum. What has his justifications been for all his shots? He's mfing Caller and he does what he wants and he shoots whoever he thinks is scum (coincidentally none have hit scum). This isn't how to play town, this is how to play scum. Night 1 KP: Caller shooting Gmarshal (?) Night 2 KP: Me shooting Rol Night 3 KP: Caller shooting BC | ||
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On July 02 2011 17:59 Palmar wrote: Oh, yeah, and since all the cool kids are doing it. I wanted Caller to shoot BC, and then I wanted to lynch Caller. Then I was going to offer myself up for lynch the next day, to hopefully buy Fishball an extra night. I am a Virgin, if I get lynched no one in town can die the following night. Wait, so what is your role again? If you get lynched, for the following night, all town become invincible? | ||
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On July 03 2011 10:10 Caller wrote: Similarly lsb your jack has been a watcher and a medic and a mimicker. What else are you capable of? Time will tell caller time will tell | ||
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Now, first I would like to point out this isn't a 100% claim, as Chez could be the godfather. | ||
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ilovejonn- Coroner sandroba- No claim LSB- JOAT Palmar- Virgin citi.zen- Chief Investigator Chezinu- Vanilla Town Amber[LighT]- Mason Kurumi- Veteran Medic Sandroba- Generally mafia don't like to claim until the very end in order to see what other people are doing. Palmar- A weird role that hasn't seen much play in TL Mafia. It through me off guard since it didn't seem like a role Ace would actually use. Amber[LighT]- Well, until Amber posts his PM conversation with Jackal, he will always be suspicious in my eyes Kurumi- Mafia generally like to claim roles that can explain why they are alive. A role like a veteran is a good claim as then people won't wonder why you are alive. | ||
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Sandroba can you please roleclaim? Who protected Rol night 2? ilovejonn- who did you check and what was the result? Amber[LighT]- can you please post the pm conversation? | ||
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On July 05 2011 01:56 Kurumi wrote: I am alive because I am useless besides healing people,meh. Btw, did you protect Rol night 2? | ||
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There are 5 townies and 3 mafia alive right now. Right now we are in LYLO There is only one way to avoid lylo even with a mislynch, that is if we lynch Palmar. I propose that today we lynch Palmar and tonight I will shoot Kurumi This presents 4 options that come up 1) Palmar is Town, Kurumi is Town Since Kurumi has veteran protection, only Palmar dies next night. We arrive at Day 5 with 4v3 Lylo 2) Palmar is Mafia, Kurumi is Town We net a mafia! But Kurumi should be able to stomach the shot. Mafia will be able to kill someone though, so leaving us at 4v2 LYLO. This should be much easier since we would have 4 confirmed town. LSB, Chez, Amber and Kurumi and Mafia can only target one of them 3) Palmar is town, Kurumi is Mafia Although we lose Palmar, mafia can't make a hit, and my hit on Kurumi goes through. That leaves us with a 4v2 LYLO 4) Palmar is Mafia, Kurumi is Mafia 2 mafia down. Woot Woot. We are in good shape with 4v1. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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First of all, a medic veteran is pretty overpowered. So is a Mimic JOAT I guess, but the mimic powers was completely new and if you played with me before you know that I like to exploit mechanics. After grilling Ace through a few PMs, I figured I could turn it into the imba DT check + Vig shot. Something like a veteran medic is almost unkillable since the mafia does not have a roleblocker. Second of all, Kurumi did not protect RoL. So there still exists a high likelyhood that there is another medic in the game. That is incredibly improbable. Balance-wise you want # of Medics <= Mafia KP. With only 1 mafia KP, we should only expect to see one medic, if there are any at all that is. Third of all, his claim is incredibly convenient. Medic is an important enough role that the town wants to be careful around him, and Vet explains why he is alive. But why kill Palmar first? Well, by killing Palmar we get two things 1) We lynch someone with a dubious claim 2) We ensure that Kurumi survives the night if Palmar is actually town. Since I am the only one holding a KP, if the mafia KP is removed, Kurumi cannot be doublestacked and he will stay alive, this is important as the medic is a pretty important role in the game, in addition it allows us to confirm Kurumi. | ||
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On July 05 2011 06:40 sandroba wrote: Kurumi it's kinda nice that you jump from Sandroba is obvious town to "he scumsliped" and votes for me for no reason. Also Chez and LSB both lieing about me not roleclaiming, when I was the first to do so, just to throw suspicion on me. Didn't notice your green claim sorry, someone stuck you on the blue list and when I ran though my search through the thread I couldn't find your claim so I assumed you didn't claim | ||
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What if everyone gets killed due to inactivity :S? | ||
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At the end I had it down to Kurimi/Citizen (really? Killing chez cause he's green), but I shot the wrong one. I think we should have followed chez's advice from the start. Do Not Lie, that would have saved us from mylynching BC, Caller, and me from shooting Kurimi | ||
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