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Jackal58
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I would encourage everybody that is unfamiliar with RoL's experimental Mafia games to go read the links Decon has provided. They clearly illustrate the issues involved with inactive or lurking players just coasting in a non flip game. We were fortunate that RoL was able to replace one of them or we would have been royally screwed. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2011 20:36 deconduo wrote: First off, I highly encourage people to have a look through RoL's experimental mafia games. These were mini no-flip games where everyone was anonymous: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=212874 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216543 GMarshal: -Policy lynch Chezinu Day 1. Each game is different, so he certainly deserves a chance. So far he seems to playing fine so I don't agree with it. If neccessary (if we have one) he can be vigged. -Lynch both DT and DT's guilty. I feel that, while this is a good idea in a lot of circumstances, there are occasions where mafia could abuse this policy, especially given that its a closed setup and we don't know what roles are around. Definitely should be some discussion before enacting this automatically here. -Claims: I feel there are occasions where claiming is the right choice, but should be met with extreme scepticism. As there is no way to verify any claims, don't do it unless you have a damn good reason (medic protect/vig shot) Radfield: -Inactive Day 1 lynch. I agree with, unless something happens during Night 0. If you have a look at ROL's Experimental 1, you'll see that inactives lost us the game. Going into the last day we had people with a handful of posts each, totally unable to be analysed. One thing that should absolutely not be tolerated in a no-flip game is lurkers. -Claims: Same as above, we can see what will happen after night 0. If you do read those you will notice two people arguing about the efficacy of claiming. That would be Decon and I.  I still stand by my opinion that claims in a no flip game are all WIFOM and I probably won't believe you. Particularly in a game twice the size as those Decon linked. | ||
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On June 25 2011 23:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You know after all the work I put into those games Jackal, I only got a B+ in that class. Although that probably had more to do with me never studying for quiz and averaing 10/15 then the work I did for that paper. I am heading to bed now, but when I get back I will try to get my thoughts on no flips games out there. Sorry to hear that. It was a novel concept. | ||
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On June 26 2011 01:20 Radfield wrote: Jackal, are you saying you are for or against a Lurker lynch on day 1. You obviously accept that lurkers are a huge liability in a no-flip set-up, yet I would classify a lurker lynch as a policy lynch. Anyways, we shouldn't have a huge lurker problem this game based off the role list, as every single player on it can and should be active. In that case I think we may need to look seriously at whether or not a no-lynch(yes scamp) makes sense or not (vs lynching an active player). That discussion can be left alone for now though. If we had started on day 1 I would not advocate a lynch all lurkers as policy. It's difficult to discern between lurkers and people that really do have IRL commitments. However this game started on night 0 so we should have an idea of activity levels by sometime on day 1. Hell I didn't even know I was in the game until a few hours ago. | ||
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On June 27 2011 17:47 Chezinu wrote: You can call me Corps! The first and second poster have been killed. That means they have a high probably of having a blue role or being red. Knowing that mafia killed one means that we have lost a special role..  . However, if by chance a town aligned or third party member killed the other player, there could be a chance that a mafia has been killed. So, Fishball how do you feel about this?You say that like it was coordinated. What do you know we don't? | ||
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Just looking at meta on decon from the several games I've played with him I get the feeling he is town. He's not bashful straight out of the gate as a townie. He tends to be more subdued when he plays scum until late game. | ||
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You'll forget. Sandroba is scum. | ||
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On June 28 2011 08:21 deconduo wrote: Scumhunting Day 1 is difficult, but it is possible. So far however only BC seems to have made an effort at it. I'm just pissed at Fishball for trolling so I haven't been paying proper attention to the game. My bad. I'll deal with Fishball tonight. I think Caller is still a good option so that we might actually have some decent discussion tomorrow. As for people I think might be mafia; I don't know why BC is defending Fishball, so I find that suspicious. If he comes back to the thread and tries to get me lynched I'd be pretty certain the two of them are mafia. Could flip either way for me atm though. ILJ has disappeared. FOS on him for that. Jackal and I aren't having a full on fight, so he's probably mafia. ##Unvote Fishball Lol. I was waiting for you to finish your pissing contest with fishball before I started calling you an idiot for wanting to kill a in your opinion a 75% green player. Wtf is it with people calling active "But I think he's town" players useless? Seriously dude. Quit swinging your dick around. It's not that impressive. | ||
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On June 28 2011 14:51 Fishball wrote: And back to Jackal while I'm at it. Like I said, I never named names. Those who defended me have made it obvious. Regardless, you also think I'm scummy - "as scummy as they get" that is. Alright, cool. Do you have a case about it? No? Another blanket statement? Is this the so called contribution and activity everyone was yearning for? I call this crap. Again just to clarify. I did not call you scummy. I professed my ignorance of your alignment. Decon - You a VI? Or just missing the village part? You're making about as much sense as tits on a fish. | ||
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On June 28 2011 23:07 deconduo wrote:I tried to encourage someone to post properly, which they refused to do. So I threaten to shoot them, but they still don't cooperate. Yet people still think this person is pro-town? And I'm not making any sense? Role claims in a no flip game on day 1 make no sense. Unless you're trying to get shot. That's also worrisome. If you're a vet there would be easier ways to go about it. If you're a VI type role we may have problems. Sorry but I find your vig claim to be unbelievable atm. As far as Fishballs usefulness or lack thereof it's not any different than yours right now. What have you accomplished other than creating an air of animosity and a great big steaming pile of WTF? | ||
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On June 28 2011 23:46 Caller wrote: deconduo has made it obvious that he's either mafia or blue. And I'm pretty sure he's not mafia. I see no reason for a blue to make a false claim unless he's absolutely terrible, which having played with deconduo in a few games on another site, is patently true. But he's not THAT bad. ^^ jackal58, on the other hand, is scummy as all hell Lol. Care to elaborate? | ||
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On June 29 2011 00:53 Caller wrote: don't need to, you're scummy as all hell, and anybody that doesn't see this is bad at this game. this isn't to say that anybody that sees it isn't bad at this game (i.e. me) but you're scummy as all hell and its obvious as day. Well thanks for the clarification. You want to make an unverifiable role claim too? | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You have 1.5 hours to produce something useful then I switch my vote. Good luck with that. He'll herp derp one liners until the end of the game if he lasts that long regardless of his alignment. He will find a way to fos everybody before the game is over. This is how he has acted in all 3 games I've been in with him. It's very frustrating. | ||
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The problem I have with that atm is I think he's most likely town. I don't subscribe to the "useless townie" theory. Useless townies are inactive and the host deals with them through modkills. The one time I pushed the useless townie card was on Bill Murray. It almost cost us the game. I'd rather not revisit that scenario. | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I agree sort of, but apparently yelling at him and saying we are going to kill him right now was the only way to get him to actually write something. Kurumi seriously, if you aren't going to willingly post or contribute, why even bother playing? That's the frustrating part. He has admitted in the past to trolling games just for his own amusement. If the game itself does not entertain you why play? All you manage is to diminish the experience for everybody else. | ||
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On June 29 2011 09:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Amber looks really scummy from his posting, and I wouldn't mind switching over if you can convince other people. I explained my reasoning on you, and I briefly went over my reasoning on Amber, I also don't like how silent he has been about us killing you. I'd suggest you show us why we should kill amber instead though, that might convince other people. I'd rather vote Amber than Decon or Viscera. If I am going to be forced between Decon and Viscera though I gotta go with Viscera. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On June 29 2011 12:14 Scamp wrote: I don't believe that Jackal actually wants to vote for Amber. ##Vote: Amber[Light] I cannot, in good conscience, add my vote for either Decon or Viscera. However, if we get to the deadline and either is one vote away I will hammer them. Why? | ||
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On June 29 2011 12:40 Amber[LighT] wrote: Do you guys wonder why the votes haven't reached 9 yet? Because Viscera is most likely scum and town is collectively dumb. I'm going to bed. My vote is staying on Viscera. Good night guys. | ||
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Sorry if that was explained but I don't see it. He voted. What am I missing? | ||
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On June 30 2011 04:58 sandroba wrote: @caller LOL nice that you nitpick on the fact that I mistyped GGQ instead of GM. How can you tell that decon had 1 bullet? And about defending teamates, isn't that what you have been doing with viscera all along? The quote of deconduo is he jumping on kurumi when he thought he was claiming to have killed GGQ. That supports my theory, which I have stated above. Decon said so. On June 28 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote: The shady Iraqis who sold me my shotgun only gave me one bullet. ______________________________________________________________ On June 27 2011 23:43 Caller wrote: I dont understand why nobody believes that I annihilated GGQ's ass do you doubt the size of my penis? On June 29 2011 01:09 Caller wrote: i already claimed Drive By Sodomite.keep digging your own grave, it gives me a hardon. That'll make it all the more painful in your annihilation, huehuehue Does this shit ever stop? | ||
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On July 01 2011 02:32 Ace wrote: Day 2 With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch. RebirthofLegend(8) - Fishball, sandroba, Palmar, Kurumi, Chezinu, LSB, Caller, Amber[Light] Fishball (1) - RiberthofLegend Not voting - ilovejohn, citi.zen, VisceraEyes, BloodyC0bbler, Jackal58 Day 2 has ended. RebirthofLegend will be lynched soon. I voted well before this post Ace. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10065680 And I haven't seen this much fucking bullshit since I left the farm. | ||
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On July 01 2011 04:01 Caller wrote: Yes I lied. I openly admit it. But it doesn't matter. I can lie as much as I want, but once you die tomorrow I am 100% proven clean town. Even if I lied to do so. No reason to lynch proven town at all. Also, Fishball MUST be lying. If BC dies by himself (meaning only person that dies tomorrow is BC), first, I'm proven innocent as seen above. ???? How? | ||
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On July 01 2011 04:24 Caller wrote: did you not read BC telling the truth: I had 1 KP and it was used up. Therefore I cannot kill BC, therefore, I am not mafia. Either the mafia will kill him, or he will not die. If I were mafia, I would have infinite KP, as I had already said. BC lying: He is mafia, mafia cannot shoot other mafia, I shoot him with my 2nd (and last bullet), he dies, therefore I am not mafia. 1st I agree with your assertion that mafia cannot kill themselves. At least I have never been in a setup that allowed for it. But this is Ace's game so who the fuck knows. 2nd if BC is the only player hit tonight I still don't see how that would in any way indicate or confirm you are town. If scum and you both hit BC then BC is dead and you have your "mystery" bullet back. If only scum hit BC then that raises the probability of him telling the truth. Which means you are for some reason lying now which does town no good. If BC doesn't die the probability of you FB and BC all being scum or alternately batshit fucking insane goes through the roof. | ||
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On July 01 2011 04:52 Caller wrote: like i said i no longer care about whether or not im confirmed. But I've already shown logically and soundly that BC and Fishball are scum. You don't have to believe me whether or not I'm innocent or not. But are you seriously defending that BC and Fishball are not mafia? I wish I had more bullets, then. I'm not defending anybody. I'm just trying to understand wtf you're talking about. | ||
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On July 01 2011 22:40 Chezinu wrote: So Caller will kill BC. Town will lynch Fishball. After that we lynch citi.zen. Then we lynch Jackal58 the following day. If the game isn't over we kill sandroba next. Your list keeps getting longer. Why don't you pull your head out of Callers ass and do some thinking on your own. | ||
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On July 03 2011 10:22 Caller wrote: As it is given mafia 1kp I doubt the existence of two vteeans. One of them is lying at least. Ilovejonn is probably town from what I see, although that may change. All medics are also likely dead as ggq apparently was medic. With 1 kp there is no way there would be two medics. Then medic circlejerk is either autowon or forces at least one mafia to die. LSB is def lying about his role. So are you. And you're killing people. ##Vote: Caller | ||
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On July 03 2011 11:18 Caller wrote: could you guys at least hold off on voting me until I finish killing everybody? Fixed that for ya big guy. Ya see when I ran through the jungle we shot snakes on sight. | ||
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On July 03 2011 12:01 Chezinu wrote: Every single person left in this game voted for an innocent except for me.. DOOMED!!! DOOMED!!! CALLER!!! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LEAVE ME!!! citi.zen, it is me and you now... the only ones left who saw through this... I will pretend like you didn't get deceived on that last vote.. who do you think is mafia? I know you be clever, your first post this game spoke of truth! Please return to it -- don't let the mafia's lie consume you! You must trust in me. One of us will probably die tonight for being to great at this game. Let us join together.. your my only hope! Take two aspirin and chill out til morning. Caller did himself in. When you lie and put yourself in a position where your lies can no longer be explained you die. Caller isn't brilliant. Caller is a blithering idiot. Ya we lost a townie. Not my fault. The dipshit wanted to be the center of attention. Well he got it. Not my fault. Not towns fault. All Callers fault. | ||
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On July 03 2011 12:15 Chezinu wrote: YOU MAFIAS ARE SO CRUEL! First you killed GGQ... THAT IS A MOVE I WOULD MAKE! I GOT YOUR MESSAGE! GG...YEAH WELL I HOPE YOUR HAPPY!!! Going for the blue roles...knowing full well that the begining posters had roles... THEN YOU KILLED MY TEAM MEMBERS!!! FIRST SUICIDAL SCAMP!!!! THEN LEGENDARY REBIRTHOFLEGEND!! YOU KILLED YOUR OWN KIND IN SPITE OF ME!!! THEN YOU KILLED FISHBALL, WHOM I SECRETLY LOVED DESPITE HIS STINCH!! BUT WORST OF ALL, YOU HAD TO KILL CALLER!!!!! WHO DO I HAVE LEFT!!! WHOO??? ARE YOU GOING TO KILL THEM TOO??? ARE YOU GOING TO USE MY INNOCENTS AGAINST ME??? ARE YOU GOING TO CALL ME A GODFATHER?? If you can make me godfather and let me join your team -- I surely will! IF YOU KILL ME TONIGHT, KNOW THIS: YOU MAY MISS THE MOST EPIC MAFIA ENDING EVER!!! DON'T PRETEND YOU ARE SLEEPING AND CANT HEAR ME!! I KNOW YOUR AWAKE!!! YOUR GOING ABOUT THIS TOWN THIS VERY MOMENT TRYING TO KILL YOUR NEXT VICTIM!!! IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO KILL ANYONE TONIGHT JUST IN SPITE OF ME THEN GO AHEAD!!!! DO IT!!! I WANT YOU TOO!!!Stfu fool. I'll never play another game with you or Caller in it. If you wanna mod kill me for that feel free. Where the hell do you find these morons Ace? | ||
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On July 03 2011 12:30 Chezinu wrote: What are you going to do? Shoot me? That will shut me up! Nevermind, you don't have the power.. go ahead.. end your self with the mod.. Hell no. I can't shoot you. All I can do is call you an asshole. | ||
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On July 03 2011 12:41 Chezinu wrote: Caller was pretty straight forward about his alignment. He also made clear he was a vigi. It is understandable that he lied about the amount of ammo he had. Caller was all over the place. Every post he made was a lie. There is nothing understandable about any of it. His abilities at Mafia are below mine and I freely admit I suck. | ||
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On July 03 2011 23:01 Kurumi wrote: Meh,I have no idea why Jackal defends Amber who is scum >_> Of course you have no idea. You're thick as a brick. Amber is town. | ||
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On July 04 2011 00:28 Palmar wrote: We're in lylo. the mafia saw that comment to. If you know something we don't, now is the time to tell us. I'm on the straight and level dude. Amber is town. Yes I know things. I'm not sharing all atm though. And it's night. We're not lynching anybody atm. | ||
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On July 04 2011 01:20 sandroba wrote: I totally agree with palmar to go with option B. Here goes my list of doom: Amber[Light] Kurumi Chezinu (Jackal58?) I'm willing to bet the last mafia are all here. I can't analyse shit this game and I blame you trolls for making my life dificult. Luckly I have it right this time. I'm willing to now tunnel you. You're scum. Your list tells me you're scum. | ||
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I was afraid he was going to get lynched though. Everybody had him down as scum.Why was Decon mod killed? That hurt. | ||
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