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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 20:45:26
June 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#13
/in

would be my first game so I don't obviously qualify for preferential treatment due to previous activity, but worth a shot. Also, is editing posts before the game starts fine?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 11 2011 08:45 GMT
#59
I assume mafia can communicate with each other regardless of whether they are masons with each other. Correct?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 13 2011 22:00 GMT
#124
Confirming. Will probably be around in 12 hours or so
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 14 2011 08:55 GMT
#210
Yes, and thus you probably shouldn't reveal how many people have masoned you at this stage of the game
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 14 2011 18:17 GMT
#229
The only plan the town needs is everyone contributing, relentless analysis and focus on the most suspicious players. As noted, this is a standard game, the mason mechanic aside, so there's no way to break the game.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 15 2011 12:26 GMT
#287
My vote will be on ilovejonn and will remain there unless a better suspect arises. It's a typical early day 1 case, but youngminii did outline valid points and his defence has so far been questionable. Further, I would like to outline this post again
On June 14 2011 13:37 ilovejonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Zodiac list time.

Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp

I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks.

This post would make more sense if he had just encouraged everyone on the list to start posting, though perhaps that town qualifier was just there to pressure mafia. In addition, logically it doesn't make much sense as getting killed on night 0 sucks whether you happened to make a few posts or not and posting would only make it more likely.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 15 2011 18:23 GMT
#303
You just did what he accused of, again.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 07:57 GMT
#345
Rereading sinani, I'm open to lynching either him or ilj. There are no better case currently and unless people start posting more, it will be difficult to make one. At this rate there'll be 3-4 modkills.

This is a bit early, but if you are about to get lynched or you've a strong reason to believe you'll be night killed, do reveal who you've masoned before you die.

Regarding Sandroba, I also find it unlikely mafia would have signed off on him proposing that plan on n0.

Opz: not sure if it matters, but you misspelled ilovejonn's name in the voting thread
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 09:16 GMT
#349
There were 3 votes on Sinani, but VisceraEyes omitted posting in the voting thread despite doing it here
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 13:31 GMT
#360
FudgeMunkey you voted but didn't post in this thread. I'm guessing you are just echoing what has already been said, but even posting that is better than stealth voting.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 16:48 GMT
#372
RebirthOfLeGenD stealth [placeholder] voted Kenpachi and I can't blame him; that is to say obviously assign some blame for stealth voting, but not the target.

His contributions so far

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 05:59 Kenpachi wrote:
hi im Kenpachi
i slept all day yesterday so thats the reason why i was mia (surprise!)
btw, im a townie

On June 16 2011 10:13 Kenpachi wrote:
There is nothing to talk about for me really.. I cant say much except that Sinani has been a total hypocrite. Other than that, i just cant put a finger on w/e is going on right now

On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote:
kk. Time to get my shit on.
/game face

...
ill get my shit on later.

##Vote:Sinani206

Seems to be the only one suspicious

You can do better than this

Meanwhile, we've about 9 hours until lynch and 11 people haven't voted yet

aidnai, demorcerf, GGQ, hiro protagonist, Imprevious, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node, sandroba, sinari206


In addition, 5 people haven't even posted today. GGQ has been around today at least, but hasn't graced this thread with his presence.

GGQ, Jacinto, LandenC, Lazorbear, Node (Jacinto and LandenC didn't post on N0 either)


At the pace things are going, we won't have much material to work on tomorrow unless we somehow hit the jackpot with the lynch or night actions.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 20:47 GMT
#419
Lazorbear hasn't voted and made his only post on n0, so unless a miracle occurs he is getting mod killed anyway. He is a friend of varpulis and it sounded like he was going to mason him. Any insights you would like to share about him Varpulis?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 16 2011 22:08 GMT
#444
I won't be around for the deadline, so I'll rather leave my vote on ILJ than the random lurker. If ILJ doesn't show up before the deadline, you should get more suspicious. If we do have to go with a lurker lynch, sticking with grassgiraffe currently makes most sense.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 17 2011 09:18 GMT
#573
Not too happy about GGQ being around for the deadline, saying he doesn't think that Hiro nor ILJ is scum and that he would rather lynch GrassGiraffe out of the three and then protest voting Impervious rather than attempt to save Hiro/ILJ by voting for GG. Impervious has been completely worthless so far, but protest voting in that situation is pretty anti-town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 17 2011 09:26 GMT
#576
Also Scamp would you like to explain this post

On June 17 2011 07:47 Scamp wrote:
I need to go and I won't be back before the deadline. As stated earlier, I don't think either ILJ or GG are scum so I won't be voting for them. However, I do like aidnai's case against him [ILJ?] as outlined a few posts before this one. Also my read on GG is null but I'm suspicious of a few people that are voting for him.

You can treat my vote as an abstain vote but it's going on someone who I will be looking at more closely on the next day.

You like a case against them, but don't think they are scum ???
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 17 2011 16:03 GMT
#583
These abstain votes are scummy as hell in these circumstances as there was at least a viable lurker lynch present. If you were around near the deadline, had read all the cases, didn't think any of them were good enough, you should have voted for the 1 post lurker rather than abstained. Both GGQ and Scamp were guilty of this. Scamp wasn't quite around for the deadline so him abstaining might make slightly more sense, but the post I quoted on the previous page was still strange.

Let's look at GGQ:

On June 17 2011 10:47 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 07:54 youngminii wrote:
On June 17 2011 07:47 GGQ wrote:
Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious.

You literally just said "Doing X is a crapshoot, we should do Y. Do Z."

Anyway, man this thread has become a crapfest in the past few hours. Perfect conditions for mafia to be honest.


No I didnt? Impervious is lurking, contributing almost nothing, just making empty "I'm here" posts. I already looked at his posts earlier in the thread, which also answers Mataza's accusation of me bringing up Impervious way too late. No, I brought him up hours ago but no one responded to my post.

I disagree with the hiro lynch, btw. I've already made a post looking at both hiro and Impervious, I didn't find hiro suspicious at all, though that was before the 'scumslip' about voting for someone that he thought was town. I'd disagree with the logic of that post, but I'd disagree that it was scummy. He just doesn't feel like a scum to me like Impervious does.

Now, obviously Impervious isn't going to get lynched, but I dont like the ILJ lynch either, so I'm keeping my vote on him in protest.


On June 17 2011 10:59 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 10:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
GGQ, Imp looks like a modkill. Between GG, Hiro, and ILJ, who do you think should be lynched? Changing your vote?


Imp voted now, but if I had to instantly kill one of those three, probably GG.


And then he kept his vote on Impervious? Once again, I do think impervious would have been a decent lynch, but since that wasn't obviously going to happen, what good does abstaining do?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 17 2011 20:09 GMT
#587
Actually yes, as town you should always vote to lynch someone else to save yourself unless the other guy is much mod confirmed green or almost certainly blue. His vote may still be scummy, but not because he wanted to save himself.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 17 2011 20:25 GMT
#591
Re: voting to save yourself as townie

You are right, you shouldn't vote to save yourself if it's likely you will be on the chopping block on the next day regardless or if your contributions are worthless and the other viable alternative is likely town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 07:48 GMT
#670
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 07:56 GMT
#671
I can't tell if RebirthOfLeGenD just doesn't care or if he incredibly scummy. Either way,

##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 08:01 GMT
#672
Kenpachi should also be policy lynched/vigged every game for playing like that. I don't know why he is allowed to get away with it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#673
EBTWOP: Oh Scamp is dead
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 09:34 GMT
#678
On June 18 2011 18:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.



It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow.

Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 20:50 GMT
#694
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 20:51 GMT
#695
EBTWOP: "to even attempt to be"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#721
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#725
What exactly is it derailing if this thread is a dead zone as you said. Aidnai's case on you is quite solid

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9798242

In addition, I'm looking into Sinani again, mostly because his only vote on day1, Kenpachi, was very poorly reasoned, lacking commitment and an extremely safe vote when at the time of his vote there were two other wagons and it was quite clear Kenpachi wasn't going to get lynched at that point.

He found both GG and ILJ suspicious/scummy

On June 17 2011 05:20 sinani206 wrote:
I got lucky, lol. You were fast too.

GrassGiraffe
Supposedly really active according to his friend.
The scummiest if only because I know almost nothing about the others.

On June 17 2011 02:38 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:57 Scamp wrote:
Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote.

I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it.


Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy?


Yeah. He defended himself early and isn't now.


Instead, he voted for Kenpachi, apparently based on this "contradiction"
On June 17 2011 05:24 sinani206 wrote:
[image loading]

On June 17 2011 05:26 sinani206 wrote:
Oh yeah: ##Vote: Kenpachi

Not only is your posting worse than in any of your previous games, it is also contradictory. I mean you always lurk but this contradictory and repetitive bullshit is really scummy.

Perhaps he hasn't played with Kenpachi much, but he should know this is a null tell at best

He was around at the time of the deadline, but didn't feel like committing into voting on any of the three wagons at the time (Hiro, GG, ILJ), but still said we would be getting "valuable information" from the ILJ lynch, which is, of course, always a bad reason to justify a lynch and could even indicate he knew ILJ would flip green

On June 17 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote:
It's too late for a counter-wagon to form, but at least we get some valuable information from the ilovejonn lynch.



syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:46 GMT
#726
EBWOP: He also hasn't attempted to analyze anyone, soft defended ILJ while also trying not to antagonize youngminii and highlighted this wholly unhelpful and bad advice for blues

+ Show Spoiler +

[QUOTE]On June 17 2011 13:34 sinani206 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Zodiac list time.

Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp

Everyone should be watching players very closely on this list. We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere.

Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above.
Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides.
[/QUOTE]
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 11:23 GMT
#727
Also, his posts don't mention Hiro at all, despite him posting near the lynch deadline and the vote being close between hiro/ilj
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 12:17 GMT
#729
You can't vote for yourself even as a placeholder vote
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#735
Unvoting, I'll vote for hiro, sinani or a lurker (which is pretty much everyone) later. Not GG though as he is completely AWOL and should be vigied no matter what at this point.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#737
On June 20 2011 02:03 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 17:52 syllogism wrote:
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.


Yo syllogism, so you are saying that even if you thought ILJ started to look town before the lynch, you kept your vote on him to avoid suspicion? Fuck killing scum, the point is not looking scummy?

If you had followed the thread, I went to bed before ILJ showed up from work and specifically said if he doesn't show up to defend, we should go ahead with the lynch
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#738
EBWOP: or that is to say, if he doesn't show up to defend himself, we should get more suspicious, but that was the point
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#746
Why is that post in a form of a quote, that's curious
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 19:36 GMT
#747
EBWOP: oh i see you posted it in the wrong thread
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 20:02 GMT
#755
I've to disagree with your assessment of my analysis. Perhaps the metagame here is different, but players refusing to commit into voting on people who can actually be lynched is anti-town. Also I'd like to note we still haven't seen ANY analysis from you.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#770
With the way the voting is progressing and the justifications people are using for voting me over hiro, I'm comfortable voting Hiro, not that the current situation leaves me other alternatives. I do not, however, think I should be vigied if Hiro gets lynched tonight instead of me and does not flip red. It should be discussed at the very least and that should only be the course of action if it is determined a lynch would otherwise be wasted on me.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 23:07 GMT
#777
Well I think I'm going to call it a night. I haven't masoned anyone, though I doubt this information will turn out useful. In case someone is still considering, you should have a look at some of the posts I've made and haven't been quoted and consider motivations for mafia making such posts. This is WIFOM, but the context here is a player who hasn't played previously on these forums. The case against me is stunningly weak.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 22 2011 08:39 GMT
#995
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 10:20:57
June 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#1367
I can't believe Sandroba didnt't suspect BC at that point. After his ridiculous Zodiac list plan he didn't do anything at all whole game

Also, it's a pretty silly meta how you've to pretend you are sure that the person you vote to lynch is scum when in reality these flimsy scum "tells" only slightly increase the probability of them not being town. Uncertainty is a pretty weak scum tell anyway and scum tells aren't scum tells once they are known.
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