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On June 11 2011 17:45 syllogism wrote: I assume mafia can communicate with each other regardless of whether they are masons with each other. Correct? That should be correct. Besides the unique PM system, this is a normal game, which means mafia can communicate with their team regardless of who they are masoned with. | ||
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On June 14 2011 11:53 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone up for a little night time scum hunting... I don't know... I think that requires a few (and by a few I mean a whole lot) more posts. | ||
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I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) | ||
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On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Zodiac list time. Rebirthoflegend BloodyC0bbler Node Mr.Wiggles Kitaman Opz Youngminii Scamp I'd also like to suggest that people on this list, if you're on towns side of course, to start posting, because you know, getting killed Night 0 sucks. | ||
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On June 15 2011 10:24 aidnai wrote: It's my TL birthday :o ! your bday wish must be to not die on n0. jk Happy Birthday aidnai! | ||
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10. sinani206 17. grassgiraffe 23. LandenC 24. Jacinto Putting 26. Lazorbear in as well for 1 very short post. | ||
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First off, I'm not going to make a rebuttal out of every point you made because clearly with your PbPA you're stretching a lot of points to justify a conclusion you already had in mind beforehand with posts that don't actually add anything. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. Let's read one of those points: Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. What makes you say a townie wouldn't do that? Wait a minute, I read my post again and what? You take those words out of context and shape them into something that you deem scummy. I lol'd. It also seems to be a recurring theme in your analysis. I'm done here because I don't want to waste time defending myself when I could possibly find scum, but I like the direction you're going for generating discussion since there aren't any posts since Day 1 started, so thanks. | ||
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On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote: youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone. ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense. I did stop. I don't feel any pressure at all. The only reason I responded was that there's no discussion at all before his post, and I wanted the discussion to keep coming, we finally have a talking point. I've still got 40+ hours to scum hunt, and it's not like I'm going to be posting every hour saying "I'm currently reading everyone's post just bare with me!" to show that I'm doing stuff when I'm not posting in the thread. I hope people realized Day has begun and discussion has started. People that were on my list, perhaps you had no incentive to post during Night 0 but I urge you to post during the Day, or you know what's coming.. | ||
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On June 15 2011 15:04 youngminii wrote: How did I take those words out of context? The context is you saying those things in this game and in the game you were mafia. A townie doesn't say these things, a townie says what's on his mind without hindrance. On June 14 2011 12:15 ilovejonn wrote: @Varpulis I think I'll have to disagree with point number 2. I'd suggest waiting it out so that most people have posted and use their checks on who they think would be scum based on the posts made during night 0. I mean the whole point of this game IS to find scum, unless of course you find the posting behaviour of a "strong player" a bit suspicious, then yea go ahead and use your check on them. If not I heed people to wait until near the end of the night cycle to submit your actions. (unless of course you won't be there on time) Note the uncertainty in this post: "I think", "I'd suggest", "unless of course", "If not", "unless of course (again)". This is quite scummy behaviour, to me it looks like he's just trying to reassure everyone that you don't HAVE to follow his rules if you don't want to because he doesn't want to seem suspicious in any way whatsoever. Which a townie wouldn't do. Hell, not even a blue would do that. Tell me again why a townie would not say those things. Everything I said was to include an extra option to show that you should not do something straight forward and instead be flexible based on what might happen in the future. And you're telling me a townie wouldn't say it out, biased much. Going to sleep see you in a few hours. | ||
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Just because I've won the game does not constitute to the fact that I may or may not decide to change my playstyle in future games. All this meta you've put in your analysis is pretty bs. If you want to look back at my posts and compare them with other people's post, I can easily find a few people contributing without actually contributing, hell there are even people that said almost EXACTLY what I and other people have said just in longer vague posts. What I'll admit to, is that based on the projected image that I have as townie and scum (my meta), what I have been posting up to now has been considered bad play to the eyes of other people. However, you'll see that this is still not the direction town is headed to lynch scum, because I know I'm a townie. In b4 WIFOM. Also when I defend myself people say it's scummy (I don't know how, maybe all townies shouldn't defend themselves, then everyone who does defend themselves will be outted as scum), when I don't defend myself they'll say I'm not scum-hunting. OF COURSE I'm going to defend myself, and you shouldn't expect any less from any other player as well, if you're townie and leading the lynch for the day right now you'd be damn sure I'm going to veer town back into the right direction. I'll be posting analysis when I actually have a plausible case. Ironically I've got some town reads on some people based on the n0 posts. For now though, On June 14 2011 13:59 ilovejonn wrote: I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it. On June 14 2011 13:42 GGQ wrote: This entire post is already in BC's post. You didn't say a single thing that he didn't say. On June 15 2011 10:16 GGQ wrote: With the amount of opposition that sandroba's plan has received, it is effectively dead at this point. It should be dropped completely. Anyone who continue to discuss the merits or demerits of it after this point is suspicious to me. You didn't say anything I haven't said either in that post, suspicious. ##Vote: GGQ. | ||
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Oh look there goes the pressure. woosh. | ||
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On June 16 2011 02:41 aidnai wrote: spam spam spam it's obvious this is what scum do when the thread moves 0.02 pages per hour morons On June 16 2011 02:57 aidnai wrote: Oh, I see you're back ILJ. The main issue I'm having now with your latest post is the disconnect between this: and this If you don't have a plausible case, why vote? ##Vote: aidnai for continuing to post useless content. You know that was hardly an analysis. | ||
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Note: I'll be away from 11 am - 6 pm for most days coming. | ||
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1) To people saying it was scummy of me that I said I would present a plausible case and then decided to vote people without providing any case, lol. First of all, I said exactly what I meant, I'll present a case when I fully believe the case will move and convince the town to hunt for a scum. My vote means nothing as only a means for me to pressure whoever I voted. Did I tell you guys "Hey this is what I think of GGQ/aidnai, now everyone vote for them"? No, because it was a pressure vote and it's not even a case presented for the town. 2) The last post where I said the environment was quiet and suitable for scum, it was true if you look back at that time. Look at who wasn't posting then, and look who is coming out to post a ton right now, I've spent some time just when I got home to read through like what, 6 pages? Scum are obviously active now to convince whoever they want dead right now when it's near the deadline. I want people to look VERY CLOSELY at these people: Votes for ilovejonn (8): Mataza, syllogism, ~OpZ~, Shraft, DeMorcerf, aidnai, Mr. Wiggles, youngminii From my experience, there are usually 1 - 2 mafia amongst the most voted candidate for the lynch on that day. Let's take a look at a few of them. youngminii: On June 17 2011 05:14 youngminii wrote: Voting for LandenC. Pre-post: "excited to play", goes aheads and lurks the entire game, comes back at the end and votes for BC with a pretty appalling post. To me, he looks the most scummy out of the 3 people BC posted. Suggest others do the same. On June 17 2011 07:26 youngminii wrote: Yeah okay, I'd only lynch ilj or landenc at this point and I don't think the latter will be the case. so I might change my vote to ilj. By the way, imo DTs should check the inactives/lurkers as there's definitely a good number of mafia among them, and they'll be the hardest to read by virtue of what they are. On June 17 2011 07:39 youngminii wrote: Yeah I kind of think ilj just tried to redirect focus onto the lurkers even though he said he'd scumhunt + he's lurking too. I kinda disagree with the grassgiraffe vote and I completely disagree with the hiro protagonist vote. Half the lynch is meant for you to pressure the guy and then judge his reaction, it's a little late for that. Switching vote to ilj. On June 17 2011 08:25 youngminii wrote: nono it's essentially ilj vs grassgiraffe the likelihood of either of them being mafia is actually quite low, but yeah even if one of them was scum you could just vote for the other to 'hide' your vote, no need to shift your vote to someone completely random youngminii has proven from the beginning he has great posting quality and also a mind of his own to provide analysis (like against me). Now look at those posts. First he agrees with BC we should lynch an inactive (LandenC) then from there he says it is either him or me (because I am lurking lol). Then at the end it changes from me or Grassgiraffe. What happened to LandenC in the process? This is extremely wishy washy and suspicious. Shraft: On June 15 2011 04:07 Shraft wrote: Quelling discussion during N0 isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, there is nothing we can accomplish with discussion now that we can't do during D1. With this in mind, we should refrain from posting so that we don't accidentally give away any blue roles to the Mafia. Anyway, I had my graduation today and I am going out with some friends. I will be back to read the thread tomorrow evening. On June 16 2011 20:20 Shraft wrote: aidnai - Frankly, I do not find him scummy at all. The reason why people started suspecting him in the first place was just because he posted a lot of off-topic stuff. Since then I believe he has shaped up. Not voting for him. ilovejonn - The most suspicious one in my eyes. I think that the meta-read by YM together with the poor defense put up by him makes him look scummy. Furthermore, after reading mig's observation concerning him, I am even more convinced that he is indeed scum. sinani206 - I don't like his hypocrisy and his contentless posting, but I still feel that ILJ is a better lynch. For now, I am placing my vote on ILJ. I will read through the thread once again when I come back from work and see if I can find anything that will convince me to change my vote, but for now: ##Vote ilovejonn On June 17 2011 02:20 Shraft wrote: I feel that ILJ is the better lynch because of this: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 14:52 ilovejonn wrote:. Also, don't try to do a meta-read on me, I might be playing different because I want to, I may be playing different because I've learned a few things, I might like to use "I think" or "unless of course" because I deemed it necessary to show that I am unsure (it was n0 after all). When you meta read someone, you're heavily biased to see what you wanted to see in the first place anyways. When YM pointed out that ILJ's play in this game looks similar to what his Mafia play has looked like in previous games he responds with the quote in the spoiler above, basically saying "I might be attempting to play different in this game, don't metagame me". Now, if this is true, that he is in fact playing differently, then he has to be town now, but chosing to play more cautiously and making more contentless posts, being very afraid of sticking his neck out. This would be a very bad way for him to change his playstyle, which in why I believe that his statement about him changing his play was just an outright lie that he told to get away easily from the accusation. I believe that he is the best lynch candidate and I am going to keep my vote on him. He suggests that quelling discussion during night 0 is not a bad idea (I disagree), but with no information at all during night 0, he says that my posts were contentless and that my defenses make me scummy. He said I changed my playstyle, yet I am very afraid to stick my neck out. How am I afraid of sticking my neck out exactly? If I changed my playstyle wouldn't I not look like I'm playing the same way I did as scum last game? Would I tell people I'm trying something different, yet do the same thing in this game as I did in my last? To me I feel Shraft seems to be told from the scum team "ILJ is the easiest lynch right now and it would be good if we can get rid of a more experienced town player with the day lynch, so do whatever to support his lynch". Once again, I urge the town to look at players on my wagon if I flip tonight. There are ALWAYS 1-2 scum in the top wagon. For now, I'm using my vote on Shraft as I believe him to be scum based on bits of gut feelings and his posts. | ||
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