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On June 03 2011 06:18 prplhz wrote: /in Hi I just died in PTP because apparently I played terrible ![]() I just hope this game will move a bit slower. This game has 12 players instead of 30 and is a more standard setup. I'd be surprised if it breaks 50 pages, just because there's less to discuss and argue about and less people to discuss and argue with. | ||
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On June 04 2011 11:13 prplhz wrote: Good evening Baller daypost. So a lot of fresh faces here today and a couple familiar ones too. I am going to bed right now. Would be nice if everybody could say hi so we don't have to wait until 1 hour before deadline before seeing you guys. Also this is gonna be a first but .. Are you going to post a list of different setups like you did for SNMMII or are we left in the dark about that? More roles on list, many many more variations. I'm going to guess no. This is a more complex setup. What do you guys think should be a good policy for lurkers? Pressure day 1, or make a note for later while we scumhunt? I've found that day 1 scumhunting is often very hit and miss, and finding a scummy player day 1 is rare. The earlier we weed out the inactive players, the better off we'll be, I think. I've seen too many games that start off great for town but wimper and die once the active townies are all dead, and all we've got left is lurkers and scum. I'd like to avoid this, If possible. | ||
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On June 04 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: More roles on list, many many more variations. I'm going to guess no. This is a more complex setup. What do you guys think should be a good policy for lurkers? Pressure day 1, or make a note for later while we scumhunt? I've found that day 1 scumhunting is often very hit and miss, and finding an actual mafia member day 1 is rare. The earlier we weed out the inactive players, the better off we'll be, I think. I've seen too many games that start off great for town but wimper and die once the active townies are all dead, and all we've got left is lurkers and scum. I'd like to avoid this, If possible. EBWOP | ||
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At this point, I'm tending to agree. I'm currently planning on putting some pressure on the lurkers early on, then focusing on who's actually scummy when there's more to analyze. | ||
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We don't get any of that information if we lynch a lurker with only 2 posts in the thread. | ||
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On June 04 2011 13:58 sinani206 wrote: Varpulis, why did you change your mind so quickly after Hesmyrr posted? I didn't, really. I'd like to eliminate lurkers before we get into the late game so that town doesn't die a painful death like in SNMM II. I was asking you guys the best way you thought to go about that. Hesmyrr's argument made the most sense to me. If we can't get a reasonable read on scum, lynching a lurker is probably the way to go. I'm just being optimistic, i guess, that we'll have a scum read by the end of day 1, and some discussion about it that we could go back and analyze later. On June 04 2011 18:23 Palmar wrote: Here we go. If you're a Veteran you should claim now. The mafia doesn't have anything to frame or set up our cop, so all we have to do is to check you on night1 and we have a confirmed veteran townie, along with a lot of useful information. The mafia would have to use two nights if they wanted to get rid of him, and it doesn't even provide a target for the roleblocker to stop. If we only have one claim for a veteran we don't even need to waste a cop night action on the guy. If he looks scummy we can always just lynch him later on. Main thing is that we get a ton of information from a veteran claim. no. don't claim veteran. We'd like the veterans to absorb mafia night kills. A claimed veteran doesn't really do that. He won't be confirmed anyways unless the cop claims, and we'd eventually wind up with a dead cop. how exactly does vet claiming give us tons of information? | ||
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Don't make long posts that don't need to be so long. It just makes it more difficult to figure out what you're saying, and makes it seem like you're just posing fluff. | ||
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On June 05 2011 01:20 Mataza wrote: LOL. OriginalName, read. I said EXAMPLE, because I wanted to explain how scumhunting works to someone who has no clue. I could have said Palmar dies and then I get suspicious. Seriously read plz. yet your example made no sense whatsoever, and is almost entirely WifoM. That's not how scumhunting works. What hesmyrr is doing is how scumhunting works. Analyzing posting and content, not blindly looking at who died and who was talking about them. That can lead you to scum, but does not help identify them. The argument "he died so she is suspicious" is terrible. ##vote mataza step it up. | ||
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Back to the lurkers! This is stefftasiq's only post this game. He was sleeping when the day post came, I get that, but he hasn't posted again since. He says that mataza playing differently is "interesting" and that sinani's "have not posted" list (which he was on) could be a way to divert attention from sinani. It's a bad post with very little content. ##unvote mataza ##vote stefftastiq | ||
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If you're trying to tunnel Mataza, it isn't really working. You've posted no reasons, yet stated with almost every post that he's scum. I'd rather you contribute meaningfully than tunnel blindly, thanks. | ||
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On June 05 2011 10:21 prplhz wrote: Okay I'm gonna see if I can do two things at the same time and get both a lurker and a scum. sinani206 The guy has had 7 posts so far one "hi" post, two posts listing inactive people, two math posts, one posts where he says he's rather lynch lurkers over the scummiest player and then one single post that has any content at all; one where he asks Varpulis if he didn't change his mind rather fast. 7 posts, no content at all. This is a guy desperately trying to be active while desperately not trying to attract any attention at all. This is scum. ##Vote sinani206 Not damning evidence by any means. At least he's sharing his opinion and his reasons why. Does seem a bit sheepy though. Not sure how you came to the conclusion "this is scum" with that analysis. Frankly, there's not enough information on the table to properly identify scum, i think. You could say that half the players in this game are trying to be active without content. It seems to me that you really wanted to find somebody scummy, so you picked a person and figured out how is posts could be interpreted as scummy. Lynching an inactive is good and all, but it's better to lynch the one in that group that's the least active, rather than one that's just posting fluff. We can leave them for later. | ||
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Currently i'm suspicious of Palmar. -he made a bad plan early on, then tried to shrug it off as a discussion starter -he's blindly tunneling Mataza. -Random unexplained OMGUS vote on Youngminii -absolutely zero contribution, barring the He needs to prove to us that he's on our side by making posts that say more than On June 04 2011 20:40 Palmar wrote: you're scum. On June 04 2011 23:43 Palmar wrote: I'm in favor of lynching you. On June 05 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote: Also, Mataza is scum. On June 05 2011 07:07 Palmar wrote: Not changing my vote though, cause Mataza is scum. | ||
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How about you go through the thread, and pick one person that you think is most likely to be scum. Look for stuff that stands out, something that just doesn't seem right, any deliberate flaws in logic, and so on. | ||
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On June 05 2011 14:18 sinani206 wrote: They both are. Just press all and look for JeeJee. | ||
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It seems that we're out of lurkers. Everybody has at least posted something. Once more time passes we'll see who isn't super active, but for now it's back to pressuring. ##unvote stefftastiq ##vote Palmar step it up, Palmar. | ||
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Meanwhile, i found another lurker. Kavdragon has yet to post his opinion about anybody. He advocates lynching lurkers to the extent that we should "focus on lurkers" today instead of pressure and discuss. The only thing going for him is that he shot down the discussion starter vet claim plan. He said that he won't be lurking, I'd like him to prove it. ##unvote Palmar ##vote Kavdragon | ||
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##unvote Kavdragon ##vote OriginalName Lynching Kav day 1 would be too mean anyways. | ||
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Town Varpulis -You think I'd put myself anywhere else? ![]() Mataza -not the best start, but I'm liking his most recent posting. It's logical and straightforward. JeeJee -Logical, helpful, and critical. His posting gives me town vibes, and I agree with his arguments. Palmar -retarded posting early, recent posts are good. For now, I'll tentatively call him green, though i'm less confident on him. Prplhz -town vibe. much like JeeJee, his posting is quite good, except for this one, which is fluff. Null reads Unichan Kavdragon OriginalName stefftastiq Scum Youngminii -supported a terrible mafia favored plan with terrible logic. References experience but isn't showing strong play. Votes Palmar for an analysis that he doesn't agree with. Sinani206 -Actively lurking, not providing opinion, posting lists in order to seem like he's contributing. My vote goes on Sinani at the end of the day if he doesn't step up his posting. | ||
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On June 06 2011 02:46 OriginalName wrote: At the Moment most of my opinions from yesterday still stand. The only really new thing I have to bring to the table is i'm going to push stefftastiq harder as in anycase lynching lurkers now is better than having them at Lylo, and considering this is a mini game this is going to come much much sooner than we want. I highly suggest lynching him today unless he really steps up. ##Vote Stefftastiq Thanks for the contribution. You know that you're doing exactly what scum would do, right? Hiding behind voting for a lurker instead of discussing who you actually think is scummy. I'd like a real contribution, please. What do you think of Palmar, Youngminii, myself, or Mataza? Who do you think is the scummiest player in this game? Even if you want to lynch a lurker, you need to be talking about scum, or else we accomplish nothing today. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:16 prplhz wrote: @Varpulis Maybe your pressure of the lesser active people in this game would work better if you didn't clearly state that you are not going to press for a lynch and that you are going to vote sinani206 later. right. I'm not switching my vote until I see content. He's shown up, but he hasn't posted anything of value. My vote stays until he seems less scummy than sinani, which isn't yet the case. Sinani gets my vote if it becomes clear that a vote on a lurker/somebody else won't accomplish much. Right now, I like my vote where it is. | ||
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Why did Palmar vote for Mataza? really bad attempt at tunneling. some of his posts I don't see how that affiliates me with Palmar, especially when I moved on while he was still posting "Mataza is scum" one-liners. | ||
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On June 06 2011 06:06 Palmar wrote: Incorrect. Following my actual analysis on sinani206, I switched my vote to him. I think youngminii is town, but I can't be sure. I still think Mataza is acting kinda scummy, but sinani feels like the right thing at the moment, we don't need a town accountant to tell us vote scores and keep a list of inactive players. oops. nvm then. | ||
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[red]sinani206[/red My previous analysis of Sinani can be found here Since then, he posted On June 06 2011 05:31 sinani206 wrote: OK, now that that's settled, I am staying with my vote on stefftastiq for reasons that I have already stated. What else do you want me to say? In this post, he pretends that he doesn't know what he was expected to post. I call bullshit. He's avoiding posting an opinion and hiding behind his lurker vote. At this point, he's playing to a scum objective, by lurking actively and not giving us quality posts to analyze. ##unvote OriginalName ##vote sinani206 As an aside, i've got a major noobtown read on stefftastiq atm. | ||
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On June 06 2011 06:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, my vote on OriginalName is accomplishing nothing at this point. He needs to step up his posting or I'll be gunning for him later. sinani206 My previous analysis of Sinani can be found here Since then, he posted In this post, he pretends that he doesn't know what he was expected to post. I call bullshit. He's avoiding posting an opinion and hiding behind his lurker vote. At this point, he's playing to a scum objective, by lurking actively and not giving us quality posts to analyze. ##unvote OriginalName ##vote sinani206 As an aside, i've got a major noobtown read on stefftastiq atm. fixing failed formatting. Also, I forgot to mention that he posted On June 06 2011 04:43 sinani206 wrote: Does a lynch kill a veteran out of the blue. I can't seem to figure out why exactly he posted that. Curiosity maybe? Has no connection to stefftastiq, or the decision to lynch him, at least that I can see. | ||
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At this point, he's our best bet. He's been the center of discussion for a while, and looking through what everybody said about him once he flips will be quite useful, regardless of what he flips. it's interesting how he doesn't have a confident read on three of the higher profile players in this game (Palmar, myself, Youngminii) I'm not sure what to make of that. his vote on Kavdragon is bad. It accomplishes nothing and just spreads the vote out. There isn't much to discuss right now, it seems. | ||
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We proceed to lynch OriginalName, for lurking and not posting content. He has joined all the major bandwagons and posted only his opinion of those players that he's voting for, basically just repeating what everybody else is saying. Thoughts? | ||
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There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense. It sucks that sinani flipped town, but in a way it was a good thing. There was plenty of discussion about him, and I think it will be important to see who gave a lackluster "what they said" reason and joined the bandwagon. | ||
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I'm leaning town for Palmar, and I know that I'm town, but confirmation would be cool. Mataza is another possible check, but lower priority. | ||
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On June 06 2011 12:11 Varpulis wrote: sorry guys. Something came up, wasn't there for the last hour. Should've switched my vote, my bad. I'd welcome a cop checking me, as long as I'm not miller (fingers crossed). There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense. It sucks that sinani flipped EBWOP: Sinani flipped vet. I'm going to bed now. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:34 Varpulis wrote: Plan: Cops check sinani. DON'T CLAIM COP If he's scum, find another way to communicate it. Call his claim under scrutiny later, and analyze his posting to show that he's scum. Claim only if you think you're going to die. We proceed to lynch OriginalName, for lurking and not posting content. He has joined all the major bandwagons and posted only his opinion of those players that he's voting for, basically just repeating what everybody else is saying. Thoughts? Not much has occurred since then that could change my mind. ##vote: OriginalName | ||
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Town Varpulis -Still town JeeJee -Logical, helpful, and critical. His posting gives me town vibes, and I agree with his arguments. no change. Palmar -retarded posting early, recent posts are good. For now, I'll tentatively call him green, though i'm less confident on him. I still like him. Still not confident. Kavdragon -Yay, activity. His arguments are logical and he's providing good content. Town. Null reads Unichan stefftastiq Youngminii -I'm this close to calling him town, but I'm not sure. He gets big points for defending sinani. prplhz -Slightly more suspicious of him now, mostly because he started the sinani wagon. Will have to look through his posts to deduce if it's just misguided town play or actual scum. Scum OriginalName -Joins bandwagons, posts fluff, sheeps, and defends himself terribly. Scum. Will elaborate later | ||
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About Sinani: prplhz seems to think that his analysis was the reason for my vote. It wasn't. sinani played poorly and did not post content until pressured heavily. To me, that was very scummy. Changing one's mind is not a scumtell, as far as I know. Yes, i was offline for the lynch and forgot to change my vote. It was a mistake. I came up with a plan and didn't follow through. I admit it. That's a bit scummy, I'll agree. The plan with the cop check was not. It was the only way I could think of to ensure that it wasn't a mafia being clever and tricking us. Second post about the lynch going up soon. | ||
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On June 07 2011 17:58 stefftastiq wrote: OriginalName might be scummy - good points in the posts above - Im still suspicious about youngminiii tho - but he has atleast stepped up. this is indecisive. He basically says "yeah, he could be scum, but so could that other guy." About me not having written anything about prplz and dementrio is that Ive felt they have had pretty townish behaviour - Varpulis points out that pprplz started the wagon against sinani, which might be something - altho I was pretty convinced of sinani myself. I think this is a defense about something, but the last sentence is strange. He states that prplhz starting the bandwagon might be scummy, but might not. again, indecisive. ill put a pressure vote originalname for now - youngminii still second on my scummylist, what is suspicious is that if scum just "hide" in ON's vote or would they try to find another target if he really is scum? Bandwagoning counts as pressuring now? Last part is just useless ##Vote: OriginalName His posts in general are pretty bad. Right now I'm torn between calling him scum, and just calling him a bad townie. It could be either. The post above is making me lean scum, because it's overall too safe and noncommittal. He voted on Youngminii for "pressure,"(weak reasons) right after. | ||
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On June 08 2011 10:32 stefftastiq wrote: right now i think the scum is youngminii Varpulis OriginalName All three of you seem to avoid yourself as a subject - and rather try to push for votes at other players. Why should I defend myself unnecessarily against bad arguments when I'm not even up for a lynch? My time is better spent finding scum than self reflecting. Pushing for votes is how mafia is played. I scumhunt, I vote, I push to lynch the person I'm voting for if nobody else thinks that I'm right. If needed, i defend myself. Did you miss this post? I discuss my actions and defend myself. | ||
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Waiting to see ON's flip now. | ||
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On June 09 2011 11:06 prplhz wrote: God dammit Varpulis, I thought you were the nightpost! Only in XL my friend. I'm confident about my vote. GMarshal, fix that computer! | ||
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Good luck finding them scumsters. ![]() | ||
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