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FoS on youngminii. All he's done this game is claim noob, joke around, and then this bout of activity when I pointed out that he was lurking. His recent activity hasn't been useful either, he's trying to defend Mataza and then arguing with whoever is around about Palmar's plan, which is a bad plan. I don't see how this will get us anywhere and seems like he is just posting for the sake of pos
Kinda negated considering his last paragraph. Speaking of the roleclaim discussion, wouldn't it be good idea to just let the vet decide? No matter how much argue if he doesn't claim/does claim then we are forced to work with what we have anyway.
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If there is a Vet, they should 100% NOT CLAIM.
Firstly, having a vet claim so that he can get checked by a cop is an incredibly pro-mafia plan. The only way that the town will know that he has been cleared by the cop is if the cop claims, and then we will lose the cop. Even if there is no counter claim, and they are accepted as innocent, people will start to follow that one person.
How many times must it be said. The town CANNOT rely on blue roles. In addition, Town CANNOT rely on confirmed townies being correct. I'm honestly confused how this got this far, or why Youngmini, an experienced player, is advocating it.
"But we will get someone who can lead the town!" you say? Wrong. This is a terrible idea. We cannot rely on a small group of people to do the work. This has been said time and time again in post game discussion. You cannot give all the responsibility to a small group of people, confirmed or not. What happens when the mafia kill off the head, and we are left with nothing to analyse because no one else has been putting any effort into scum hunting? Everyone must be working together to find scum.
Also, on the lynch, Mataza is a poor lynch. We focus on lurkers today.
Mataza is active enough with his posting that we will be able to analyse him fully later, but lurkers will give us very little to analyse. I've shown with my dead body more than once, that it is a bad idea to lynch active people day one. Let's not make someone else prove it.
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On June 05 2011 03:44 youngminii wrote:
Advantage: Town gets a centralised 'voice' that can help coordinate us. Less confusion for us.
Disadvantage: None really. It's the best way to utilise the vet role, and the only flaw that there could be is if someone lied about it, but the lie should become obvious eventually.
But if you don't want to then I'm not going to argue, I think there's plenty of other/better discussion that could be happening instead of us arguing over something that you won't agree to. Better to have the palmar/mataza stuff going if this just isn't going to happen.
I strongly disagree. I think it's a terrible way to use a vet, because either he's dead (and a guaranteed good use for the roleblock instead of a chance of wasting it) or he's a confirmed townie (something he would have been anyway except with a day's advantage if he got hit). Both of these situations are made worse due to the claim. If he doesn't get hit, in either case, he's just a townie, wasting his potential.
I don't understand how you can possibly think it's a good idea for the town, and your explanation of "centralised voice for the town" doesn't cut it given what I wrote above, and in my previous post.
Your logic doesn't hold up.
##Vote:youngminii
On June 05 2011 04:55 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +FoS on youngminii. All he's done this game is claim noob, joke around, and then this bout of activity when I pointed out that he was lurking. His recent activity hasn't been useful either, he's trying to defend Mataza and then arguing with whoever is around about Palmar's plan, which is a bad plan. I don't see how this will get us anywhere and seems like he is just posting for the sake of pos Kinda negated considering his last paragraph. Speaking of the roleclaim discussion, wouldn't it be good idea to just let the vet decide? No matter how much argue if he doesn't claim/does claim then we are forced to work with what we have anyway.
By that logic, we shouldn't discuss good prot targets for docs, potential vigi targets, investigation targets for cops etc, since we'll just have to work with what the power roles decide to do. Of course the final decision is on the vet/doc/cop/vigi/whatever, but we should discuss potential approaches so that they can make the best decision, and don't accidentally forget an aspect/potential result of a decision
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##Vote JeeJee
Oh wait. He just posted.
##Vote: unichan
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I started posting about 2 hours ago ^^
unichan won't post until about 11pm est today (so like 7 hours from now) and he mentioned this before the game started
(just fyi if you missed it)
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I did say I won't be pushing for it but ok if thinking a plan is good makes me suspicious then lol I don't really know how to defend against that. I still think vet claiming is the best idea btw but as I said I'll let it be.
Hesmyrr, I never said my pressure.
In any case I did say I was an advocate of lynching the inactives.
##Vote: unichan
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Oh I didn't see what JeeJee just pointed out.
##Unvote: unichan
##Vote stefftastiq
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Guys, my vote on mataza is pressure. His posting seemed a little off, and I wanted to see how he reacted to the votes. His reaction so far has been alright, though "go ahead an lynch me" isn't a good attitude. He still needs to step up his posting, but i don't have a read on him yet.
Back to the lurkers! This is stefftasiq's only post this game. He was sleeping when the day post came, I get that, but he hasn't posted again since.
He says that mataza playing differently is "interesting" and that sinani's "have not posted" list (which he was on) could be a way to divert attention from sinani. It's a bad post with very little content.
##unvote mataza
##vote stefftastiq
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The roleclaim shit was just some bullshit I made up to start discussion, feel free to ignore the idea now, it's terrible anyway.
Also, Mataza is scum.
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On June 05 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
The roleclaim shit was just some bullshit I made up to start discussion, feel free to ignore the idea now, it's terrible anyway.
Also, Mataza is scum.
You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)?
That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you.
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On June 05 2011 05:18 youngminii wrote:
I did say I won't be pushing for it but ok if thinking a plan is good makes me suspicious then lol I don't really know how to defend against that. I still think vet claiming is the best idea btw but as I said I'll let it be.
Hesmyrr, I never said my pressure.
In any case I did say I was an advocate of lynching the inactives.
##Vote: unichan
It's entirely dependent on the plan. If you supported a plan where we no-lynch for the rest of the game, you are obviously supporting scum. Obviously you are not supporting something so obviously pro-scum, but you bet I'm going to call out people who are supporting pro-mafia plans. (Note: Bad plan !(necessarily)= pro-mafia plan. Pro mafia plan = Bad plan.)
Having the vet claim will only benefit mafia.
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On June 05 2011 06:13 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:
The roleclaim shit was just some bullshit I made up to start discussion, feel free to ignore the idea now, it's terrible anyway.
Also, Mataza is scum. You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)? That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you.
I'm putting a bigger FoS on you, because I feel like it.
look at it, it's so big.
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Not changing my vote though, cause Mataza is scum.
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FoS Palmar.
If you're trying to tunnel Mataza, it isn't really working. You've posted no reasons, yet stated with almost every post that he's scum. I'd rather you contribute meaningfully than tunnel blindly, thanks.
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Palmar trust me when I say this, and I say this from experience, blindly pushing for a lynch based on a hunch especially without giving any real evidence just doesn't work. You need to support your lynches with reasoning otherwise you just end up being a sore thumb for the rest of the town to deal with.
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ok sorry.
##Unvote: Mataza
##Vote: youngminii
He has a funny hat.
And he FoS'd me.
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Palmar, please stop fucking around. If you don't, I'm going to proceed with the assumption that you are scum trying to divert the town's attention and derail our discussion.
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I'm gonna have to agree with Varpulis. If you can't handle two games at the same time maybe you could call for a replacement or something. As it is right now you're actively working against town even though I kinda doubt that you're scum. You have displayed much more refined scum play in SNMMII.
It's cool that you're trying to do some new shit but this is just silly. I'm looking forward to your post tomorrow where you will dissect everybody and provide awesome insight.
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On June 05 2011 08:15 Varpulis wrote:
Palmar, please stop fucking around. If you don't, I'm going to proceed with the assumption that you are scum trying to divert the town's attention and derail our discussion.
Or hes Village Idiot and GMarshal is fucking with us.
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Okay I'm gonna see if I can do two things at the same time and get both a lurker and a scum.
sinani206
The guy has had 7 posts so far one "hi" post, two posts listing inactive people, two math posts, one posts where he says he's rather lynch lurkers over the scummiest player and then one single post that has any content at all; one where he asks Varpulis if he didn't change his mind rather fast.
7 posts, no content at all. This is a guy desperately trying to be active while desperately not trying to attract any attention at all. This is scum.
##Vote sinani206
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