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On May 29 2011 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: PMs PMs are not allowed in this game. This confuses me because from the other Mafia threads I read I feel that PMs are a pretty important part of the game. In particular, how is the scum supposed to operate without PMs? | ||
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On June 06 2011 21:47 Xedat wrote: I just read through the whole thread, it looks like people started more useful posts later on, reading through pages 8-17 was a chore. I think it is established that freeloader625's question is not a scum tell, as GGQ told us that they have a "quick topic" and would know if he was scum. I agree as far as his original question is concerned, but his responses to being suspected seem really weird. Especially his last one, he's not posting for a while, gets called out by CjrNinja + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 13:25 CjrNinja wrote: I do agree with you that Freeloader should be a little (read: lot) more active considering the accusations against him (Maybe MLG is taking precedence?). Speak up Freeloader, we want to hear what you have to say. On June 06 2011 14:21 freeloader625 wrote: It's true. I spent most of the weekend watching MLG, both streams. I was keeping an eye on this for all mirror matches though, I just chose not to comment. Yes, I'm ashamed to admit I let pages 2-8 or 9 go without reading it, I assumed it was all just full of "/in's." I only read the first post and posts since the game has officially started. Ohhh dirtay! I didn't not realize outside posts were fair game for this! I was under the impression (initially) that you can't click on ppls profiles/outside posts to avoid cheating or w/e. But I guess that's fair game. What do I honestly think and why haven't I really commented even though I threw myself under the bus? I'll give a longer explanation come closer to Day 1's end. Har har har, another "bad defensive" post by me :D Take it as you may. which is basically 1) Excuses for lurking 2) Claiming he didn't knew that checking a players post history was fair game 3) Claiming that he has some long explanation for his defense, that he is going to post at some point in the future. While 2) is another very defensive reaction to being accused of lurking, 3) is the one that makes this whole post sound scummy to me, it seems like he can't defend himself at that point and wants to do so later, but sees the need for an immediate response. Why would he post something like that instead of either posting something to defend himself or posting nothing at all? (Especially since at the time he says he's going to post [closer to Day 1's end] nothing will have changed. Except the focus of the town may be on someone else.) I think his post didn't get a lot of attention because the whole iGrok/gtrsrs/kurumi thing started to go off one post later, or does anybody else just think he is a townie that feels pressured and doesn't know what to say? | ||
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On June 06 2011 14:21 freeloader625 wrote: What do I honestly think and why haven't I really commented even though I threw myself under the bus? I'll give a longer explanation come closer to Day 1's end. Har har har, another "bad defensive" post by me :D Take it as you may. His longer explanation still hasn't happened, of course, I have no idea why people were focusing on his initial question when they were abandoning this case instead of his horrible "defense". And the vote on rookie is stupid, people are bandwagoning because of one short post of analysis. Bad analysis actually, because 1) comparing b.net mafia to this one is just wrong, 2) he wasn't role fishing (you could say he was fishing for a town plan, but there's no way a blue would have role claimed because of what rookie wrote, newbie or not) so all that's left is On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote: Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls. which is fishy, yes, but definitely not more than what we have on freeloader. | ||
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On June 07 2011 22:02 Kurumi wrote: Remember guys: Lafali and Treadmill,despite approving same things tried to distance eachother. This way,Treadmill is still scum in my eyes. Will write more after I get through this mess. What "things" were they both approving? Treadmill was one of the few people trying to stop that rookie bandwagon. | ||
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On June 08 2011 14:18 Pyo wrote: Yeah, you're definitely scum. Since you're scum, you aren't approaching it as townie would. If it was a vet that got hit, there's nothing to exploit. no strategies can be used. If it is a medic, then we're in luck and we have options available to us. But if mafia know that we have that medic, then they will go medic hunting. Now it is undoubtedly a good thing for the mafia to not know which one, as it will in the worst case scenario cost them another KP to learn which it is. However, if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting. As a townie knowing who survived the hit doesn't benefit us in anyway. Not until next night when the next round of DT checks go out. It's not like their analysis of posting becomes any more accurate or informed. You are wrong, as others have already pointed out. "if the person who survived the hit outs themselves, it can be figured out which it is based on their posting."? How? Mafia already know who it is so they have all of this persons posts to figure his role out, if he makes a post saying "mafia tried to kill me last night", it tells them nothing, while we know their third target. And how does it not benefit us? It helps us as much as knowing who got killed, we get to know who the scum wants to see dead. Trying to keep this secret is very, very scummy. On a related note: I don't know if day/night posts can contain information like this, but couldn't the post about GGQs death mean they used two KPs on him? + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply. I know that kind of contradicts the fist part of my post, but in this case Pyo could just be trying to hide the fact they only tried to kill two people. | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote: So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was). So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum. The bandwagon at that time I voted freeloader (and posted why I did) was rookie. If bandwagoning means being one of the few people not wanting to lynch the doctor, I think it's a pretty good thing to do. | ||
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On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote: You gotta go far,kid. Not. Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something? I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached. | ||
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On June 10 2011 05:27 Impervious wrote: That's a terrible mentality. Even if you have nothing new to contribute, at least post your thoughts and say why you're voting for him. In the long run, if everyone was to do that, it'll be much easier to determine who is scum. Ok, I see how that's useful. Before the voting incident on rookie 44, xkcd was posting a whole lot of nothing. Seeming kind of active, but not really accusing anybody. The only thing of notice he did was his little skirmish with kurumi. After that, when attention was starting to be focused on him, he defended himself by arguing about insignificances and attacking people that attacked him. People aren't satisfied and he posts his giant ass analysis of everybody except iGrok, where he spends thousands of words paraphrasing every single post in this thread, managing to not defend himself in 200,000 words or whatever it was. I do believe that iGrok is probably gf, but since a lot of that case revolves around him trying super hard to be a good townie while the roles of townie and gf are hard to seperate from the outside, and gf could be also very well be jackal or somebody completely different, I think we have a stronger case on xkcd. That's why I voted for him. And kurumi, I appreciate your effort calling possible bandwagoning mafias out, but seriously, wtf. There's no way to appropriately respond to your accusations (mainly „HAHA YOU ANSWERED THAT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM). Especially your pseudo(?)-“i'll shoot you“-roleclaim. I have no idea how you could think that's useful. | ||
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On June 10 2011 21:30 Kurumi wrote: Damn,You've got me. That's why I am asking,derp. Ok, I'll just stop talking to you. I tried, but I don't understand what you're trying to say. | ||
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The only thing that stands out to me is grush's horrible horrible defense that was mostly him defending everyone that we suspect being mafia, except for himself. I don't even know what he was trying to achieve with that, but it's looking like he's trying to somehow save some of his scumbuddies. I'm sorry I don't have more to say, but really not much has happened this day. (I'm voting for grush57) (I'm also going to bed now so I won't be able to respond to the pressure Kurumi is going to apply on me because I'm breaking all of his rules at once, but please don't waste you're votes on me. thanks.) | ||
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On June 14 2011 04:15 TranceStorm wrote: I'm posting here a couple of select quotes from the posters that teamsolid listed earlier: Blackone: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 06:47 blackone wrote: Ok, I see how that's useful. Before the voting incident on rookie 44, xkcd was posting a whole lot of nothing. Seeming kind of active, but not really accusing anybody. The only thing of notice he did was his little skirmish with kurumi. After that, when attention was starting to be focused on him, he defended himself by arguing about insignificances and attacking people that attacked him. People aren't satisfied and he posts his giant ass analysis of everybody except iGrok, where he spends thousands of words paraphrasing every single post in this thread, managing to not defend himself in 200,000 words or whatever it was. I do believe that iGrok is probably gf, but since a lot of that case revolves around him trying super hard to be a good townie while the roles of townie and gf are hard to seperate from the outside, and gf could be also very well be jackal or somebody completely different, I think we have a stronger case on xkcd. That's why I voted for him. And kurumi, I appreciate your effort calling possible bandwagoning mafias out, but seriously, wtf. There's no way to appropriately respond to your accusations (mainly „HAHA YOU ANSWERED THAT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM). Especially your pseudo(?)-“i'll shoot you“-roleclaim. I have no idea how you could think that's useful. Very interesting statement here. Blackone justifies his vote for xkcd over iGrok but also says that "I do believe that iGrok is probably gf" and has a pretty convoluted reason for preferring xkcd. Given that targeting the godfather should be a higher priority than regular mafia, this seems a quite suspicious to me. However, this could be Blackone's way of saying "both are suspicious, but I think xkcd is more so" (I thought that way too, but I thought iGrok was more so). Exactly, I said I believed iGrok was probably gf, but I was pretty sure xkcd was mafia, and sure mafia kill > possible gf kill. I was wrong with that assumption, but that's what I meant. On June 14 2011 04:42 Kurumi wrote: Dat nail in da coffin When someone claims getting hit,the mafia gets no more info,town gets where KP was landed. When someone claims getting hit and gets healed it means there (!!!) is another medic in the play. That's the info I blew out like an idiot. Mafia wants to know how many medics we have and hunt them. Sorry guys. But now those puny Rats have a riddle to solve: my life. Have fun trying to kill me,I will happily soak Your KP. How the fuck is is possible that you still don't understand what I was saying? If somebody would have said "Mafia tried to kill me" they would NOT have known there was a medic, because it could also have been a vet. But knowing that one of their kills was prevented would not have been news for them, because they obviously already knew that they tried to kill some dude who was apparently still living. If somebody who isn't Kurumi has anything to say about me, I'll gladly answer, it's not necessary we waste our lynch on me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 01:39 Pyo wrote: A post by TheAwesomeAll in the mafia ban list. From this post it would seem as though mafia like to wait till the last minute to place their votes. Considering lafali also tried doing this (but was too late), I think it might be reasonable to assume that mafia might be doing this as a general policy. Looking at the voting, there are only 2 people who have been consistently waiting until the last hour to vote: freeloader and Munk-E freeloader did vote for iGrok, so I'm a little less suspicious of him, but if you combine the late posting with his lurking and his post history, I think Munk-E might be one of the remaining mafia. post history: + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd Day 3 - grush57 analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd excuse for not posting This post by iGrok also adds further suspicion in my opinion. For one, it reveals that Munk-E's accusation of lafali came at a point where a lynch of someone else was inevitable and lafali was about to get modkilled. Also, it is curious that iGrok would respond to this post. Otherwise he only found freeloader (same post) and heist (+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=67#1333 It might not be a lot but it solidifies Munk-E as out prime lynch target imho. | ||
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On June 16 2011 03:07 supersoft wrote: oh lord, you voted amazongxdc who was so obviously innocent... True. Doesn't change anything though. | ||
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sucks that this game was decided by modkills. I think we would have gotten iGrok even without them at some point, but it would definitely have taken longer. Also after he was dead, the game was basically dead because the remaining mafia decided to go out during that horrible thunderstorm. But it was fun nevertheless, it was my first game and at least I know I have to contribute much more during the first days if I don't want to look like an active lurker who gets assaulted by Kurumi... On June 16 2011 21:32 Impervious wrote: It's actually the main reason I asked people to let me know how experienced everyone was. I wanted something concrete to build an analysis around. Lol, that question in the middle of the game, really got me thinking what the hell you tried to accomplish with that ^o^ | ||
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