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Alderan
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Going to be my first one. Really excited! | ||
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Now he is stating that a townie does have reasons to ask such a question what is indeed true. The interesting part of this post is at the second line. He is now telling us "dont mind me, i'm new to the game" and diverting attention off him. Telling you are new and therefore if are doing things out of the ordinary its just your inexperience is at the best not very good town play. If he is indeed as inexperienced as he would have us believe it is safe to assume that he is not familiar with good town play to begin with. Combine that with your assessment that The question itself was not very scummy indeed. If i were a scum i would pm it to the host instead of posting it in the thread. and he looks a lot like a misguided town. | ||
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On June 06 2011 01:08 Jimbooo wrote: I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused. I agree. Granted any veteran scum would never post a vote that quickly in my opinion but if we're going to start anywhere that seems a good place as any, especially considering there are a lot of first timers in this game. | ||
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I do not understand what you mean by this, sorry. Can you clarify whether "insane" is a good thing or a bad thing in this context; and what does "tunnel the roster" mean? Accusing everyone in the game of being scum is generally not a good thing. | ||
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On June 06 2011 02:56 amazingxkcd wrote: It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it It is posts like this (especially for your first post) that we are trying to avoid. All you did in this post was state the premise of the game, and make a likely incorrect assumption that there are mafia among the "main talkers" this early in the game. Very very scummy post. | ||
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On June 06 2011 03:38 amazingxkcd wrote: interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other. Pretty defensive considering all I said was that those are posts we are trying to avoid in exchange for more constructive ones. The post was scummy, but that doesn't mean you are scum. | ||
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Amazingxkcd I've already kind of voiced this opinion but I'm going to expound upon my earlier analysis. Let's look at his posts. It is quite clear that it can be seen who are the main talkers for both side. The only question is now how to distinguish between the two sides and how to act upon it This post, obviously vague, of little help to the town, and posted directly after he appeared on TheAwesomeAll's “Lurker List”. When I pointed out this was a fishy post he responded with this: interesting first post there, all ready trying to set up accustation upon me for supposedly making a scummy post when in reality i am only simply making observation. You already got into my list of suspicious people by derailing a innocent first post when we still have around 30+ hours left to figure out each other. Obviously immediately went on the defensive, turned and pointed a finger at me, and suggest that the town take its time “figuring each other out” instead of having discussion that is inherently pro-town. In fact his only “contribution” to town discussion was this post: Please refer to these guides on playing TL mafia. For town: aidnai, GMarshal For mafia: bumatlarge, chaos13 LSB's Newbie Guide Mafiascum Newbie Guide Introduction to Mafia (Flash) Ver's town guide Ace's Mafia Manifesto Qatol's Town Guide So his only contribution to the town is copying and pasting something that is in the third post of this thread? Interesting. Grush57 This is an example of someone who is acting scummy, but who could be just a really bad townie. Not advising we use our first lynch on him but its someone to look out for (maybe DT check?). Here's why: First, without posting anything in the thread he immediately voted for Freeloader. Could definitely be viewed as a rookie maf move. When called out about it he failed to respond. In fact he did not contribute anything to the thread until the inactive list to which he responded: Im not inactive, I just dont feel like anybody can accuse this early. Wait? What? After blindly bandwagon voting not even 4 hours into the game? Inconsistency tends to be a maf trait. When called out he responded: Yea true, I stupidly joined the bandwagon to lynch freeloader from his posts. Again, Wait? What?! A little later when calling out omgCRAZY he posts this gem, his third post. Says the person with only 1 post so far? OmgCRAZY had posted several times..... More to come tomorrow. Would love to hear what everyone thinks. | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:53 iGrok wrote: When quoting, make sure you leave the name/time part of the quote in ^^. Its too easy to write a fake quote otherwise. Just a little tip ^^ Good call. Thanks  | ||
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On June 06 2011 15:18 iGrok wrote: Jackal58 is good. GGQ is good, borderline very good (no offense Jackal ♥). Vain is good. I'd like to think I'm decent. Impervious is... interesting haha. Kurumi has played 3 games, and Jackal called him out later on. Whats important here is that Kurumi lumps himself in with very good players that town should listen to. He's attempting to establish a position of power for himself. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: Personally, I think Jackal58, GGQ, or Vain would be great people to look up to and have confidence in - they're all pretty experienced and -good- players. Whomever among them we can confirm/be reasonably certain is town should be looked up to. Is this a mistype or are you getting legitimate town reads from all 3 of those players? If, as you said in your first post, yourself, Jackal, GGQ, and Vain are the experienced players, so it is safe to assume that at least one would have been placed with the mafia, particularly in a noobie game. I think a couple seem to be acting suspicious, but it's day 1 and that could be for multiple reasons. Also, I'm going to ahead and voting for amazingxkcd, just in case something happens to me at work today and I won't be able to get a vote in. @ amazingkcd, I'm really just waiting on you to refute the analysis I did earlier. | ||
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Didn't see the second sentence of what I quoted.... fail. That being said I think the point remains that iGrok, Jackal58, GGQ, and Vain should be handled with a certain level of caution. One or two will likely be maf, and be more experienced at hiding it. | ||
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On June 06 2011 23:54 Kurumi wrote: Are You smurfing? @_@ I responded to Benjef and got Jackal's response? Nope, I'm not smurfing at all. (See what I did there?) | ||
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On June 07 2011 02:53 iGrok wrote: Ok, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I'm starting to see how Kurumi could be a townie, but I could also see him as a scum who felt the pressure and is trying to change his tune. I still don't thing he should be lynched today. I'm trying to think of who should be, but I really don't know :/ But you agree that it shouldn't be freeloader? | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote: Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation. Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies? Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you. | ||
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Obviously in response to Jackal. | ||
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Just pointing out that I think your analysis is just as weak or weaker than all the others. Let's see how he responds. | ||
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On June 07 2011 06:34 amazingxkcd wrote: You seem to be in a position to defend rookie44 when he has made quite a lot of scummy posts, particularly trying to take advantage of noobs to slip up their roles with Also, notices how already from the start of the game, he is asking for roles and wanted to lynch Treadmill without any sound proof besides making a suggestion about the freeloader wagon being loaded with mafias Here, he is making assumptions about what the mafia should do, which is trying to divert attention away from him. for these reasons and the ones given by jackal58 as well as kurumi, i am voting for Rookie44 on the basis of clear scummy post and trying to divert attention away from himself with circular logic ##Vote: Rookie44 also alderan, I am very suspicious of you for trying to defend this guy. Elaborate as to why you think he is not a scum. By no means am I saying he's not scum, he could very well be scum. I just missed the "blue fishing" read that Jackal seemed to get and needed clarification. It seems to be weak (your analysis built a better case though), but then again it's day 1 everything is weak. I still plan on waiting for a response from Rookie before I change my vote to anyone. | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:10 rookie44 wrote: Sorry for the delayed response, i have been checking the thread regularly but not regularly enough i guess. I was not trying to hunt for blue roles, as i said in the post i was looking for a general stratagy we could use, some sort of system. I felt and feel that the current discussion was based entirely on who we are going to vote on tonight, and i thought it would be best to have some idea of what we can do in the mid and long term aswell. I have read the readings that were suggested at the start of the thread, and i again looked through them when they were suggested by xkcd, and they seemed to be just tips and tells (although to be fair i didnt get to explore the wiki on it that much). Seems kinda funny that this is all happening just hours away the lynching when i made that post almost a day ago. I stand by what i said and still support having some kind of stratagy going into the latter stages. Rookie who do you suggest we vote for then and why? You have contributed nothing to the town up to this point and you are going to get lynched unless you do. | ||
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Honestly there are a couple people I'd like to vote for, but the decision is made infinitely more difficult based on the fact that all the ones in question are likely only in question for being new to the game and very lazy. If we have to hit a town let's make it a lazy scummy looking one. ##Vote Rookie44 | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote: If we have a medic left, there's a few people I'd suggest saving. One would be myself (obviously :D), another would be treadmill, a third would be freeloader, and a fourth would be Jackal. Jackal has this uncanny ability to either be very, very right in his analysis, or very, very wrong in his analysis, so losing him wouldn't be great, as long as we can figure out if he's right or wrong. iGrok isn't a bad choice either. Sorry I have been quiet lately, slammed at work and will post some better analysis soon but Impervious I'd like it if you elaborated on this a bit. Treadmill, freeloader, and jackal all have considerable amount of uncertainty surrounding them about whether or not they are acting scummy. Mafia will ALWAY keep anyone around who people are considering as maf if they are indeed not scum. Like I said more to come later on the happenings of last night. | ||
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On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote: Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now. Freeloader - there's definitely uncertainty here. But I have a reason for wanting him alive tomorrow. Jackal - He's really good at analysis when he's tunneled someone. He may not always be on the right track, but he brings up some good points, and is easily able to start discussions, which are good for the town. I don't know whether he's scum or not yet, but for now, he can definitely be useful to the town. He's one of the people I'd want to check as DT, to make sure he's on my side, but, if he is scum, he's likely the GF, so a DT check would actually be pretty useless anyways. I see where you're coming from but look at it from a scum point of view. Except for the mere fact of us having this conversation, what does the town gain from lynching any of these guys? Treadmill- Suspicions from several people, in fact has been FoS'd officially as maf by more than one person. If they kill him they are only narrowing the sights on themselves. Freeloader- same as above, in fact even more so. He is always in the conversation of potential scum, and has several defenders and accusers providing perfect cover for scum. Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games. I think the biggest hole in my analysis is that i can't really suggest someone for a potential medic to save (except of course myself). There is not really anyone that is giving off an effective townie or potentially endangered Blue vibe. I just urge a remaining medic, in the off chance that we have one, to go back and find someone who is either extremely pro town or someone giving off blue vibes. Obviously self explanatory but it is afterall a newbie game. | ||
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On June 08 2011 04:42 Jackal58 wrote: I keep seeing this being posted. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who started it. But let's stop saying it ok. Let's stop thinking it even. I am not some Mafia god. I am not uber scum hunter. I am not super scum player. I suck on day 1 and 2. I freely admit that. I do get better scum reads in late game situations but I'm no fucking Sherlock Holmes. I probably didn't make this clear enough, but it is not a situation that you tried to put yourself in in my opinion. I still think that to some extent you were raised to a pedestal, probably stemming from the iGork post. Not trying to knock you and say that you did it to yourself, but you definitely have a lot of people that respect your opinion highly, and I think the vote proved that yesterday. | ||
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On June 09 2011 08:01 cherubael wrote: Alright. It seems that so far, there is a consensus in that people have voted either iGrok or amazingxkcd. The case on amazingxkcd seems pretty strong to me. I'm not going to go through every post he has made, as that was done here. The case against iGrok seems a little less solid. And most definitely not blue. Also, supersoft seems to be posting some amount, but mostly things that are irrelevant, or criticizing other people, while not doing much himself, as seen here. He seems to be attacking jackal58, but doesn't really have a valid argument. Also, sorry about the lack of posting, I've been quite busy. I still agree with the lynch of amazingxkcd over anything else at this point, I think it's important to take account not only what hes posted, but what he hasn't. Summation of what happened. - I call him out for being vague. - He responds with finger pointing. - I acknowledge how defensive he was being. - He hides behind the freeloader fiasco. At this point his entire game changes. He never actually responds to being called out by others, something that a townie trying to stay alive would do, instead he hides and tries to let it all blow over. I support that we not get distracted and make sure to lynch the scummiest person in the game to this point, amazingxkcd. | ||
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I have a feeling that it is safe to assume that either iGork or Jackal is scum (based on xkcd's huge analysis above I'm going to go with iGork). I think we keep the vote on xkcd for the simple fact that the case against Jackal is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Let's give Jackal/iGork one more day to slip up. Whats the downside? Sure if either is maf they are probably GF, but it's not like they have inherent kp, and framing is not going to be the biggest deal because no one is going to claim after night 2 (or shouldn't). Moral of the story: Keep votes on xkcd and don't over look Jackal while tunneling iGork . Let's wait for one of them to make a mistake. | ||
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On June 10 2011 02:45 TranceStorm wrote: Hey Alderan, since you are here right now (I hope), would you mind some of the accusations I made of you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=40#785 ? I am particularly curious as to your 180 degree switch from opposing the rookie lynch to supporting it. Vain also performed a similar switch-around but I am prepared to cut you a bit more slack considering your recent activity and your accusations of xkcd (compared to Vain's lack thereof). It was really one of those situations that I said, "I don't think the evidence is as strong as everyone thinks it is can someone clarify" then someone clarified a bit and I said "well it makes more sense but let's see how rookie defends himself". Rookie then came out with a very halfhearted answer like he didn't really care, so I assessed the situation that either he is a lazy mafia or he is a worthless townie that is going to have doubt surrounding him all throughout the rest of the game, so I figured even if we were wrong, it wouldn't be as big of a loss as it could have been. I completely missed a blue read in any of his posting, I only got either lazy town or lazy maf. | ||
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On June 10 2011 08:26 amazingxkcd wrote: Shit... stupid out of place quote bracket made iGrok's section unreadable. Sorry about that and if you guys want, i will repost that analysis with the correct formatting. I would, just that section and spoilered. A lot of people are going to want to read it. | ||
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It seems that everyone has jumped on this Grush bandwagon, and I don't necessarily think that its a bad idea so I'm going to throw a vote there for the day. I feel like analysis of Grush's posts at this point will be overly redundant in that I can only find a couple and they are by and large meaningless (the biggest tell being his association with iGork earlier in the game). | ||
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On June 13 2011 09:50 35spike1 wrote: Lol, what a scum post. Apoligising for lack of activity, happily stating that he'll jump on the Grush bandwagon, and explaining that he can't be bothered checking out Grush's posts. I agree it is pretty worthless, just trust me that in the next few days I will be active enough for everyone to not have any doubts. I just don't know what else can be said for Grush's case other that I agree that he is the scummiest candidate to this point. I am interested to see who you think is more scummy though. | ||
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