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On June 08 2011 01:44 Impervious wrote:
If we have a medic left, there's a few people I'd suggest saving. One would be myself (obviously :D), another would be treadmill, a third would be freeloader, and a fourth would be Jackal. Jackal has this uncanny ability to either be very, very right in his analysis, or very, very wrong in his analysis, so losing him wouldn't be great, as long as we can figure out if he's right or wrong. iGrok isn't a bad choice either.
Sorry I have been quiet lately, slammed at work and will post some better analysis soon but Impervious I'd like it if you elaborated on this a bit.
Treadmill, freeloader, and jackal all have considerable amount of uncertainty surrounding them about whether or not they are acting scummy. Mafia will ALWAY keep anyone around who people are considering as maf if they are indeed not scum.
Like I said more to come later on the happenings of last night.
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On June 08 2011 03:37 Impervious wrote:
Treadmill - he tried to get everyone to switch away from rookie, and I've been getting a pretty solid town vibe from him the entire game. He's not someone I want to die right now.
Freeloader - there's definitely uncertainty here. But I have a reason for wanting him alive tomorrow.
Jackal - He's really good at analysis when he's tunneled someone. He may not always be on the right track, but he brings up some good points, and is easily able to start discussions, which are good for the town. I don't know whether he's scum or not yet, but for now, he can definitely be useful to the town. He's one of the people I'd want to check as DT, to make sure he's on my side, but, if he is scum, he's likely the GF, so a DT check would actually be pretty useless anyways.
I see where you're coming from but look at it from a scum point of view. Except for the mere fact of us having this conversation, what does the town gain from lynching any of these guys?
Treadmill- Suspicions from several people, in fact has been FoS'd officially as maf by more than one person. If they kill him they are only narrowing the sights on themselves.
Freeloader- same as above, in fact even more so. He is always in the conversation of potential scum, and has several defenders and accusers providing perfect cover for scum.
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games.
I think the biggest hole in my analysis is that i can't really suggest someone for a potential medic to save (except of course myself). There is not really anyone that is giving off an effective townie or potentially endangered Blue vibe. I just urge a remaining medic, in the off chance that we have one, to go back and find someone who is either extremely pro town or someone giving off blue vibes. Obviously self explanatory but it is afterall a newbie game.
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On June 08 2011 04:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 03:58 Alderan wrote:
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games. I keep seeing this being posted. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who started it. But let's stop saying it ok. Let's stop thinking it even. I am not some Mafia god. I am not uber scum hunter. I am not super scum player. I suck on day 1 and 2. I freely admit that. I do get better scum reads in late game situations but I'm no fucking Sherlock Holmes.
I probably didn't make this clear enough, but it is not a situation that you tried to put yourself in in my opinion. I still think that to some extent you were raised to a pedestal, probably stemming from the iGork post.
Not trying to knock you and say that you did it to yourself, but you definitely have a lot of people that respect your opinion highly, and I think the vote proved that yesterday.
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On June 09 2011 08:01 cherubael wrote:Alright. It seems that so far, there is a consensus in that people have voted either iGrok or amazingxkcd. The case on amazingxkcd seems pretty strong to me. I'm not going to go through every post he has made, as that was done here. The case against iGrok seems a little less solid. And most definitely not blue. Also, supersoft seems to be posting some amount, but mostly things that are irrelevant, or criticizing other people, while not doing much himself, as seen here. He seems to be attacking jackal58, but doesn't really have a valid argument. Also, sorry about the lack of posting, I've been quite busy.
I still agree with the lynch of amazingxkcd over anything else at this point, I think it's important to take account not only what hes posted, but what he hasn't.
Summation of what happened.
- I call him out for being vague.
- He responds with finger pointing.
- I acknowledge how defensive he was being.
- He hides behind the freeloader fiasco.
At this point his entire game changes. He never actually responds to being called out by others, something that a townie trying to stay alive would do, instead he hides and tries to let it all blow over.
I support that we not get distracted and make sure to lynch the scummiest person in the game to this point, amazingxkcd.
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Here is kind of a new line of thinking let's see what everyone thinks.
I have a feeling that it is safe to assume that either iGork or Jackal is scum (based on xkcd's huge analysis above I'm going to go with iGork).
I think we keep the vote on xkcd for the simple fact that the case against Jackal is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Let's give Jackal/iGork one more day to slip up. Whats the downside? Sure if either is maf they are probably GF, but it's not like they have inherent kp, and framing is not going to be the biggest deal because no one is going to claim after night 2 (or shouldn't).
Moral of the story: Keep votes on xkcd and don't over look Jackal while tunneling iGork . Let's wait for one of them to make a mistake.
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On June 10 2011 02:45 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 02:20 Alderan wrote:
Here is kind of a new line of thinking let's see what everyone thinks.
I have a feeling that it is safe to assume that either iGork or Jackal is scum (based on xkcd's huge analysis above I'm going to go with iGork).
I think we keep the vote on xkcd for the simple fact that the case against Jackal is much stronger than some people give it credit for. Let's give Jackal/iGork one more day to slip up. Whats the downside? Sure if either is maf they are probably GF, but it's not like they have inherent kp, and framing is not going to be the biggest deal because no one is going to claim after night 2 (or shouldn't).
Moral of the story: Keep votes on xkcd and don't over look Jackal while tunneling iGork . Let's wait for one of them to make a mistake. Hey Alderan, since you are here right now (I hope), would you mind some of the accusations I made of you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=40#785 ? I am particularly curious as to your 180 degree switch from opposing the rookie lynch to supporting it. Vain also performed a similar switch-around but I am prepared to cut you a bit more slack considering your recent activity and your accusations of xkcd (compared to Vain's lack thereof).
It was really one of those situations that I said, "I don't think the evidence is as strong as everyone thinks it is can someone clarify" then someone clarified a bit and I said "well it makes more sense but let's see how rookie defends himself". Rookie then came out with a very halfhearted answer like he didn't really care, so I assessed the situation that either he is a lazy mafia or he is a worthless townie that is going to have doubt surrounding him all throughout the rest of the game, so I figured even if we were wrong, it wouldn't be as big of a loss as it could have been.
I completely missed a blue read in any of his posting, I only got either lazy town or lazy maf.
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On June 10 2011 08:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
Shit... stupid out of place quote bracket made iGrok's section unreadable. Sorry about that and if you guys want, i will repost that analysis with the correct formatting.
I would, just that section and spoilered. A lot of people are going to want to read it.
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Sorry for being so late to the party here lady's and gents, weekends are pretty busy for me, especially this weekend. Will SIGNIFICANTLY more active into tomorrow.
It seems that everyone has jumped on this Grush bandwagon, and I don't necessarily think that its a bad idea so I'm going to throw a vote there for the day.
I feel like analysis of Grush's posts at this point will be overly redundant in that I can only find a couple and they are by and large meaningless (the biggest tell being his association with iGork earlier in the game).
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On June 13 2011 09:50 35spike1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 09:09 Alderan wrote:
Sorry for being so late to the party here lady's and gents, weekends are pretty busy for me, especially this weekend. Will SIGNIFICANTLY more active into tomorrow.
It seems that everyone has jumped on this Grush bandwagon, and I don't necessarily think that its a bad idea so I'm going to throw a vote there for the day.
I feel like analysis of Grush's posts at this point will be overly redundant in that I can only find a couple and they are by and large meaningless (the biggest tell being his association with iGork earlier in the game).
Lol, what a scum post. Apoligising for lack of activity, happily stating that he'll jump on the Grush bandwagon, and explaining that he can't be bothered checking out Grush's posts.
I agree it is pretty worthless, just trust me that in the next few days I will be active enough for everyone to not have any doubts. I just don't know what else can be said for Grush's case other that I agree that he is the scummiest candidate to this point. I am interested to see who you think is more scummy though.
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It's just one of those situations where I can keep posting on my iPhone, but I'm not going to be able to get to a computer and really get down to business for a couple hours, in which case some in depth analysis wouldn't be too beneficial for another 24 hours.
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