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On June 05 2011 18:33 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 18:31 iGrok wrote:On June 05 2011 18:25 Kurumi wrote:
EDWOP:
I write "You" with capital Y because I feel like and it is Polish thing.
I call Scum/people I am suspicious of Rats. Get over it. No haiku for this,
The point is too short for one.
Just a simple noteDo shit like this, you're going to piss people off. Pissing people off is a good way to die. Dying does not help your team at all (at least in this game). You know this, you've played several games. Don't fuck over the newbies because you want to be obnoxious.As far as your "slips" go: Lafali, from what I can tell, is a newbie who bandwagonned, read my post warning against bandwagons, and unvoted. Treadmill: He said we should wait, and every point of evidence is important no matter how small. Great reason to vote him. Point grew after I wrote the haiku :p Scum will unvote after someone called it out to remain 'unsuspicious". Also why the heck Town would lynch person generating discussion and bringing scummy suspects? Scum would like to lynch me,but they can just kill me at night.
I find this hilarious because you got lynched day 1 in the last mafia for being really talkative early on. So either you didn't learn your lesson or you aren't a townie this time. I'm leaning toward the former.
Judging solely on my post-hoc analysis of XXXIX in preparation for my first mafia game, in the first cycle, if you give a spot on analysis and make good accusations, mafia will kill you ASAP (chaoser). If you blab a ton, you get lynched (kurumi).
After that inactivity gets modkilled or lynched, Confirmed townies become the targets to get mafia killed. It's kind of weird, but the townies who ended up lasting the longest actually had some degree of suspicion on them.
I was also surprised by how proactive mafia are about trying to shed suspicion on others early on in the game. In other words, I think this is a totally wrong or misleading statement:
On June 05 2011 15:40 Treadmill wrote:
I suspect that most of the mafia are gonna be trying to lay low, post only "check-in" posts and whatnot. So keep your eyes peeled for that sort of thing - although, early on, that kinda posting might just mean its midnight and people want to go to bed (so gtsrs and 35spike1 are off the hook for now).
Also given how quick people are to lynch the first signs of suspicion, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of townies especially newer players would try to lay low and get a feel for how the game would play out (that was my plan going in at least).
Unless something interesting comes up I'll probably vote for one of the following:
freeloader - for his really weird/suspicious defense posts
aprudds - for a really arbitrary out of nowhere accusation
treadmill - for trying too hard to lay the blame on freeloader
Kurumi - because it would be hilarious to lynch someone who is clearly very excited to play this game on the first day two mafia games in a row
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On June 05 2011 20:52 Kurumi wrote:You better post there.
I got the names confused and posted the wrong one, but your not allowed to edit so I posted again.
Anyway I'm very suspicious of freeloader coming out with that question straight away as soon as the roles get released. I feel like he may have shot him self in the foot a bit.
On June 05 2011 19:32 rookie44 wrote:
Guys this is already so exciting! glhf!
Would it be a legitimate stratagy if we lynched treadmill with the thought that he and some other mafia got overzealous with voting for freeloader?
It seems like if someone got a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to start the game, and would be much more active in the very beginning. This is a mafia game for less experienced players so maybe that means there will be some metagame mistakes?
I agree with the point of people who get a role in the mafia then they would be more anxious to do something. As they are able to do something, and very eager to get formulating plans and such.
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Also, I'm going on a trip for a couple days. I should have internet, but I'm not entirely sure, so I'm going to cast a vote with the intention of changing it later - I just want to get my vote in so i don't get nabbed for inactivity.
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@Pyo
Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You.
A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP.
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On June 05 2011 21:40 Kurumi wrote:
@Pyo
Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You.
A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP.
As a noob, it's somewhat difficult to distinguish "talkative" from "spammy". I just threw out a vote for you since (A) I want/need to get my vote out while I can (B) voting for someone who noone else is going to vote for is tantamount to abstaining (C) as someone who definitely has played mafia before, I assumed that amongst noobs, you'd be adequately adept at defending yourself if suspicion actually turned to you (D) I made a post indicating that my vote for you was joke if anything, but since you seem offended i'll change my vote.
Also, just out of curiosity, since the game wasn't filled only with noobs, how many people here actually have mafia experience?
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Jackal58 - he is very good
GGQ - I think he is there for at least short while
Me
Impervious from replacements played a bit there too
gtrsrs played one game I think.
You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back.
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On June 05 2011 22:36 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 21:40 Kurumi wrote:
@Pyo
Because Your arguments are dumb I am going to ignore You.
A tip: In mafia XXXIX I was spreading chaos in the Town,also I was really scummy. I wasn't talkative,I was spammy. If You want any meta reads,go check PYPI and PTP. As a noob, it's somewhat difficult to distinguish "talkative" from "spammy". I just threw out a vote for you since (A) I want/need to get my vote out while I can (B) voting for someone who noone else is going to vote for is tantamount to abstaining (C) as someone who definitely has played mafia before, I assumed that amongst noobs, you'd be adequately adept at defending yourself if suspicion actually turned to you (D) I made a post indicating that my vote for you was joke if anything, but since you seem offended i'll change my vote. Also, just out of curiosity, since the game wasn't filled only with noobs, how many people here actually have mafia experience?
I have played 1 or 2 games with iGrok and Kurumi. Numerous games with GGQ.
Kurumi's assertion that I am very good is a bit off the mark. I'm actually pretty average at best. Day 1 & 2 I pretty much suck. I'm better towards end game but I usually don't live that long.
Kurumi is insane. I've never seen anybody tunnel the entire player roster at one time before. 
iGrok I really don't have an opinion on yet. Seems capable.
GGQ is scum. If I don't do that at least once a game he'd be disappointed.
(That's a joke)
The rest of you I do not know.
I promised Meapak I'd be good this game. 
Don't worry about "offending" somebody by voting for them. If they're that easily offended they need to go watch Barney or Teletubbies.
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On June 05 2011 22:45 Kurumi wrote:
You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back.
And who exactly is the most scummy player? Freeloader? If it freeloader really is a scum and people are all jumping on him, wouldn't other scum try to draw attention away from themselves by sacrificing him? In other words by encouraging others to go for him, or at least promoting mob mentality, isn't that a huge red flag as being scum? Maybe I should change my vote back after all...
Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick
Also, what counts as a "good post"? Maybe point out an example? From what I've seen looking through old mafias is that "good posts" that are too on target, especially early on end up getting you killed.
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By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1.
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On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion.
My list wasn't in any particular order.
An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too.
what does "bus" mean? Sorry I don't know all the mafia lingo yet.
Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
Are you speaking as an experience mafia player here? I mean his post was less than hour after PMs went out. Do mafia really get organized that fast? I realize that this is murky water since we're not supposed to use our PM times to figure out roles according to the rules.
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Bussing is when You vote for lynch/kill Your Mafia buddy to make Yourself less suspicious/earn town cred,mostly happens when there's no way to save him/perform some gambit or wicked trickery.
Well,it is rather safe to assume that anyone who got assigned as Godfather is going to help his newbie Mafia bros as fast as possible - he is probably one of the "better" players,but this might be a mislead. Also as far I remember in my PYPI pm I had mafia list and that I can PM them etc. etc.,while it wasn't a "noob game" I strongly believe that there everything a new player should know about his role/alignment.
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Pay no heed to us
Prior warnings of misdeeds.
Vote without a post.
again, [/sarcasm]
Drazerk, you did NOT just read the thread, SEE that people were warned against voting without posting, and then vote without posting. Right?
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On June 05 2011 23:08 Pyo wrote:Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick
Yes. Very much so. And it goes from game to game. As most of you are new I don't expect to see much of it in this game but people do carry grudges and exact revenge in their next game together.
The most likely thing you will see here is some townie with a vig role shooting anther townie that just pissed him off. That happens when a noob has a gun. Just because you don't like somebody doesn't mean they are scum. If you are a vig please don't allow emotion to pull the trigger.
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On June 05 2011 23:08 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 22:45 Kurumi wrote:
You're not going to participating in lynching the most scummy player Pyo? While I understand place holder votes You need to know that people like me will remember that. I want to see a good post after You're back. And who exactly is the most scummy player? Freeloader? If it freeloader really is a scum and people are all jumping on him, wouldn't other scum try to draw attention away from themselves by sacrificing him? In other words by encouraging others to go for him, or at least promoting mob mentality, isn't that a huge red flag as being scum? Maybe I should change my vote back after all... Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick Also, what counts as a "good post"? Maybe point out an example? From what I've seen looking through old mafias is that "good posts" that are too on target, especially early on end up getting you killed.
Hi all.
I just read trough all of the post and i must say there has been alot of accusations already. especially with Kurumi barging in and calling almost everyone that has posted a noobtown or a rat.
I made a list of what happened the past time so i may as well post it. It may not be complete in the sence of what everyone has said but i think it helps tracing who accused who
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freeloader625 asked a question about mafia and said he was new
aprudds says scum slip(accuses freeloader)
Jimbooo Does not want to make hasty conclusions
treadmill agrees with aprudds(accuses freeloader)
cherubael is a bit indifferent at first but then also accuses freeloader
35spike1 joins the bandwagon without much explenation
gtrsrs posts he will be back tomorrow
Aril defends freeloader625
Lafali also hops the wagon
cherubael accuses aril
DeMorcerf accuses freeloader too
heist not suspicous of people defending freeloader
omgCRAZY: Appruds quick to acccuse freeloader. Cherubael and jimboo thorw out votes
Aril: We should not gang up on people
omgCRAZY states he's new to the game
iGrok defends freeloader. Says voting early suspicious. suggest checking freeloader
monsterDrakar doesnt support Appruds accusation
TheKK defends freeloader625.states it was a legimate question
TheAwesomeAll also defends freeloader625.
TheAwesomeAll sees the other 2 post freeloader did make
Sprungjeezy also suspects freeloader
Kurumi thinks freeloader is town
kurumi votes treadmill
kurumi accuses lafali 2 times
Igrok tries to temper kurumi just as Sprungjeezy
rookie44 makes a post with some questions
Benjef votes without posting
Pyo posts the first analysis
Benjef explains why he voted
Pyo says he's a noob
Ok, Now Kurumi. Bandwagoning is not seen as a mafia only trait. Town joins bandwagons just as easily.
For now Freeloader625 would still be my main target. It would give us at this moment the most information about who will be scum and who not. If he would be town it gives us the info that the people who were defending him are likely town. Why would they defend him if they are mafia? Furthermore it would lay suspicion on the people who accused him in the first place. The chance that they are mafia in that case would be alot bigger. If he turns out scum we can pat ourselfs on the back and continue the game with somewhat of a lead.
As a last thing to point out. If you are town don't be afraid to post a good analysis that is pointing out weak scum play. It will maybe get you killed but in the end it will help you win. And we all play to win rigt
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On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1.
Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad.
This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN)
There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened:
1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *----
3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **---
2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***--
Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass.
If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/
@Pyo
You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started.
After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over.
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On June 06 2011 00:01 aprudds wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1. Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad. This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN) There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened: 1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *---- 3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **--- 2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***-- Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass. If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/ @Pyo You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started. After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over.
My dumbness meter went over 9000.
Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum.
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I believe this is Kurumi's 4th game. Maybe counting a mini game.
He was lynched day one in the first game I played with him.
He has outed himself as our SK in the second game I've played with him.
Don't assume he's experienced. He's not.
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On June 06 2011 00:08 Jackal58 wrote:
I believe this is Kurumi's 4th game. Maybe counting a mini game.
He was lynched day one in the first game I played with him.
He has outed himself as our SK in the second game I've played with him.
Don't assume he's experienced. He's not.
I played in XXXIX then PYPI then PTP now there.
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On June 06 2011 00:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 00:01 aprudds wrote:On June 05 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
By the most scummy player I meant Your suspicion. An example of good post would be an analysis pointing out the biggest slips of player X leading Town in a Scum lynch.Remember though: there's nothing wrong about being wrong(unless You're redtooth,then You commit suicide on Day 3) A good post could be summing up who attacked who and who defended who + Your thoughts about it. Everything that generates discussion is good. You must remember though,that without good evidence there's probably no point in bringing something new,because this will cause chaos.
Pyo,it is too fast for scum to bus too. Freeloader's situation is really uncertain. His small,but bandwagon is based on shitty evidence. "He asked a question,no townie would ask it!" Think for a second. What would happen if Freeloader was scum? Someone would pm him and tell him everything he needed to know,makes sense? Hell yes.
We aren't that vindictive,don't worry <3 But there are players who are magnets,namely Radfield and Kavdragon,who like to die Day/Night 1. Kurumi, you're talking for the sake of talking and stirring up too many accusations without any discussion or analysis. Talk is good, blind accusations are bad. This makes chaos and makes it hard to focus on one thing at a time. (AGAIN) There isn't much to go on right now. Here's what happened: 1 guy asked a dumb question. Scum Scale: *---- 3 guys bandwaggonned. Scum Scale: **--- 2-3 people throw around un-called-for accusations. Scum Scale: ***-- Oh, and Pyo called you out on being an ass. If you are an experienced player like you say, you should know that rapidly throwing out multiple low impact accusations just lead to you getting ignored or lynched :/ @Pyo You need somewhere to get a discussion started. The accusation was arbitrary, but it's the best thing there was after the roles got pmed and before the game started. After everyone starts posting their mind on this there will be a greater pool of posts to look over. My dumbness meter went over 9000. Before saying "HURR DURR YOU DID NOTHING" read my posts. I brought evidence why I think they're scum.
On June 05 2011 18:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 13:47 Treadmill wrote:
It is a good spot, aprudds. We should keep an eye on freeloader625.
Jimbooo, we do have to lynch somebody. Being "hasty" isn't really a concern. And somebody with next to no evidence against them is a better lynch than everyone else with no evidence against them at all. Still, 48 hours yet. What? Bad lynches are good lynches? Are You a stupid Rat or You're a Noobtown? Lynch is the most IMPORTANT tool town gets. ##vote Treadmill
He was actually saying that some evidence for a lynch was better as a random lynch with no suspicion. now i would like to see your compelling evidence and accusations because frankly i have only seen you throwing out accusations and calling people noobtown.
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@Vain
Let aprudds defend himself.
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