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@node:
yeah, sorry for my hard to understand posting. I will try and be more concise. As to your questions about me, I was as frustrated as anyone else about the spam. Most of my early post where of trying to get people to stop talking about roles,and start hunting scum.
Amber had given me indication that he wanted me to keep asking him questions, so thats what I did. I noticed to many other people talking about him. This frustrated me because It cluttered the thread with unhelpful post. That is why I said I would vote for anyone not asking Amber a direct question. So I stopped asking for now, as there are more important things to talk about. I might try again if Amber wants me to.
This thread is a nightmare to read back through.
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There is a lot going on in this thread. I don't feel like Answering questions. I would rather everyone just state whats on there minds...
One thing Im sure everyone else has noticed, is the large amount of post that are not helping (hello tnkted, kurumi), or are conversations between people that are not scum hunting (hello sandroba, RedFF). Now, I would like to ask a question:
If you where Mafia, and this was the state of the thread, how would you play? Would you, post filler and un-helpful post? Or would you sit back and let the thread go? How about calling out all of the bad posters to make them look scummy, while making you look good?
(please don't answer in the thread. this is for you to think about...)
I know how I would play the game at this point if i was scum, and right now node is doing just that. I would also to some extent say Meapak_Ziphh is doing the same thing.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2011 14:12 Node wrote:Yeesh this thread is ridiculous. All right, after reading over redFF's posts I think that completely separate from his talk about his role (which is about the only thing that he has talked about for quite awhile) he's been largely useless. At the moment I'm unable to decide whether he's scummy or a bad townie, but I'm leaning towards the latter. So, I'm going to say this: RedFF, for the sake of the thread and the sanity of everyone in it, do more with less posting-wise. This is your only halfway decent post so far this game. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions you're drawing there, but it at least shows a little effort towards things that actually matter. I'm going to put my vote on hiro protagonist for now. He's been largely concerned with Amber's posting and role, and has quite a few posts in the thread, but has done nothing helpful for... anybody, really. Even his questioning of Amber was just treading over familiar ground that others had already done. He's threatened to try to lynch anybody that talks to Amber without asking him a question directly (I think? hiro can be hard to understand), but hasn't followed up on that statement. He's just dead weight at this point and until I see him do something solid I'm going to be suspicious. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 13:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BumatLarge BloodyC0bbler GMarshal Meapak Dropbear Node Jackal.
As of right now the list I have given should be the centered Zodiac list. You have all had your chance to talk about it and as no one has really done so there is the list. Everyone on it will have to be held carefully accountable for their actions. Most of us have a fair number of games behind us to give a decent interpretation of our play as town or mafia. Of this list, a few of us have appeared more town like than others.
Now before everyone goes "sweet dt's dont check here" think again, as you are horribly off.
Watcher or tracker style roles. This is the list you focus on. If we go out, if we get visited you want to know. It gives you the ability to connect dots of who is red and who isnt, who lies and who doesnt as time goes by,
Standard role or alignment style detectives your job is to sweep everyone who isnt on this list. Start with whoever is obviously playing suspectly.
Now, Medics, I will be posting a list closer to day end on what you guys should be doing. As of now there is not enough of a list for us to accurately center you on, nor do I really wish to give mafia a larger amount of time to discuss exactly how to deal with the list. I'm willing to continue rolling with this. On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote:I agree with the doggy. Chaos13 has been doing a really good job of contributing this far, and I think he's been extremely pro-town. sandroba, on the other hand, has done nothing since the beginning of the game, where he weakly pushed a plan that involved everybody claiming whose role they had made. He also endorses LAL policy lynches, which, in this setup.... ehhhhh. I won't critique his plans too harshly, but what sets my alarm bells a-ringin' is that he proposed these plans (easy for mafia to do to appear like they're contributing, not to mention the plans were likely doomed to fail anyways) and then promptly failed to do anything else. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:19 sandroba wrote: Hey Mataza, you are kinda making a big deal out of this, aren't you? Starting to sweat under this little pressure, huh? This was another of his posts from early in the game. I know it's a small thing, but this post in particular, as early in the game as it was, screams scum to me. Scum love to pile on aggressive pressure without content backing it up in little posts like these. ##Vote sandrobaAlso, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. On June 01 2011 10:02 Node wrote: Christ this three-way sandroba / redFF / Jackal catfight is terrible.
I'm going to say this plain and simple:
You guys are contributing nothing. You're inflating the thread with several pages of bitching that is only making it harder to get real scumhunting done. If I had to choose, I would say that none of you or two of you are mafia, and to be honest I don't think any of you are smart enough mafia to get in an endless fight in order to clog up the thread -- the only people that I've seen pull off that style successfully were Ace and Pandain in Insane Mafia 1. The real mafia are likely sitting back, sniping a bit here and there, and laughing at you.
So please, think about what you say before you say it, and try to fit your arguments into concise posts instead of getting into these idiotic, de-railing spats. I'm fine with you being suspicious and arguing, but the way you're doing it won't get us anywhere. Make your case, and then let it be.
I'm going to put my vote on Tackster for now. I agree that his big post is pointless. Plus, it's timing is impeccable, as its position in the thread is such that it can be easily skimmed and ignored without much scrutiny. I'm not sure about sandroba being scum, and I like that he's been posting more. Honestly, at this point I wish he'd shut up a little.
First he calls me out. fine. I respond. Then nothing. Then he jumps on with voting for sandroba. sandroba yells uncle. node moves on. next up, Tackster. and thats where he sits. recently he called Prplhz scummy. ALL of these have been easy targets, given the state of the thread. All but sandroba (who he has started defending) have something in common: new or otherwise bad posters. node claims he his FoSing them to get them to shape up. This could be true. It could also be a way of slipping a bad townie up, in hopes that there reaction will be noticed by others as scummy, in hopes of an easy lynch.
This is not to say I am voting for node. I just wanted everyone know how I feel about him. I dont have much of a scum read on anyone else (with the exception of Meapak_Ziphh, which I will go into later)
I am curious as to who BC has in mind for a lynch.
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@visceraEyes
come on buddy, BC is not getting lynched. you have stated your suspicions and I will watch closely with you on BC's play. but lets do some real scum hunting today please.
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On June 01 2011 17:04 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 16:02 hiro protagonist wrote:If you where Mafia, and this was the state of the thread, how would you play? Would you, post filler and un-helpful post? Or would you sit back and let the thread go? How about calling out all of the bad posters to make them look scummy, while making you look good? (please don't answer in the thread. this is for you to think about...) I know how I would play the game at this point if i was scum, and right now node is doing just that. I would also to some extent say Meapak_Ziphh is doing the same thing. + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2011 14:12 Node wrote:Yeesh this thread is ridiculous. All right, after reading over redFF's posts I think that completely separate from his talk about his role (which is about the only thing that he has talked about for quite awhile) he's been largely useless. At the moment I'm unable to decide whether he's scummy or a bad townie, but I'm leaning towards the latter. So, I'm going to say this: RedFF, for the sake of the thread and the sanity of everyone in it, do more with less posting-wise. This is your only halfway decent post so far this game. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions you're drawing there, but it at least shows a little effort towards things that actually matter. I'm going to put my vote on hiro protagonist for now. He's been largely concerned with Amber's posting and role, and has quite a few posts in the thread, but has done nothing helpful for... anybody, really. Even his questioning of Amber was just treading over familiar ground that others had already done. He's threatened to try to lynch anybody that talks to Amber without asking him a question directly (I think? hiro can be hard to understand), but hasn't followed up on that statement. He's just dead weight at this point and until I see him do something solid I'm going to be suspicious. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 13:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BumatLarge BloodyC0bbler GMarshal Meapak Dropbear Node Jackal.
As of right now the list I have given should be the centered Zodiac list. You have all had your chance to talk about it and as no one has really done so there is the list. Everyone on it will have to be held carefully accountable for their actions. Most of us have a fair number of games behind us to give a decent interpretation of our play as town or mafia. Of this list, a few of us have appeared more town like than others.
Now before everyone goes "sweet dt's dont check here" think again, as you are horribly off.
Watcher or tracker style roles. This is the list you focus on. If we go out, if we get visited you want to know. It gives you the ability to connect dots of who is red and who isnt, who lies and who doesnt as time goes by,
Standard role or alignment style detectives your job is to sweep everyone who isnt on this list. Start with whoever is obviously playing suspectly.
Now, Medics, I will be posting a list closer to day end on what you guys should be doing. As of now there is not enough of a list for us to accurately center you on, nor do I really wish to give mafia a larger amount of time to discuss exactly how to deal with the list. I'm willing to continue rolling with this. On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote:I agree with the doggy. Chaos13 has been doing a really good job of contributing this far, and I think he's been extremely pro-town. sandroba, on the other hand, has done nothing since the beginning of the game, where he weakly pushed a plan that involved everybody claiming whose role they had made. He also endorses LAL policy lynches, which, in this setup.... ehhhhh. I won't critique his plans too harshly, but what sets my alarm bells a-ringin' is that he proposed these plans (easy for mafia to do to appear like they're contributing, not to mention the plans were likely doomed to fail anyways) and then promptly failed to do anything else. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 05:19 sandroba wrote: Hey Mataza, you are kinda making a big deal out of this, aren't you? Starting to sweat under this little pressure, huh? This was another of his posts from early in the game. I know it's a small thing, but this post in particular, as early in the game as it was, screams scum to me. Scum love to pile on aggressive pressure without content backing it up in little posts like these. ##Vote sandrobaAlso, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. On June 01 2011 10:02 Node wrote: Christ this three-way sandroba / redFF / Jackal catfight is terrible.
I'm going to say this plain and simple:
You guys are contributing nothing. You're inflating the thread with several pages of bitching that is only making it harder to get real scumhunting done. If I had to choose, I would say that none of you or two of you are mafia, and to be honest I don't think any of you are smart enough mafia to get in an endless fight in order to clog up the thread -- the only people that I've seen pull off that style successfully were Ace and Pandain in Insane Mafia 1. The real mafia are likely sitting back, sniping a bit here and there, and laughing at you.
So please, think about what you say before you say it, and try to fit your arguments into concise posts instead of getting into these idiotic, de-railing spats. I'm fine with you being suspicious and arguing, but the way you're doing it won't get us anywhere. Make your case, and then let it be.
I'm going to put my vote on Tackster for now. I agree that his big post is pointless. Plus, it's timing is impeccable, as its position in the thread is such that it can be easily skimmed and ignored without much scrutiny. I'm not sure about sandroba being scum, and I like that he's been posting more. Honestly, at this point I wish he'd shut up a little. First he calls me out. fine. I respond. Then nothing. Then he jumps on with voting for sandroba. sandroba yells uncle. node moves on. next up, Tackster. and thats where he sits. recently he called Prplhz scummy. ALL of these have been easy targets, given the state of the thread. All but sandroba (who he has started defending) have something in common: new or otherwise bad posters. node claims he his FoSing them to get them to shape up. This could be true. It could also be a way of slipping a bad townie up, in hopes that there reaction will be noticed by others as scummy, in hopes of an easy lynch. This is not to say I am voting for node. I just wanted everyone know how I feel about him. I dont have much of a scum read on anyone else (with the exception of Meapak_Ziphh, which I will go into later) I am curious as to who BC has in mind for a lynch. These are silly reasons to think that I'm scum, and if you think about it for a few minutes you'll realize that they're silly. (ask yourself: what part of my play thus far has actually benefited the mafia?)
The part where you blend in as town. It gives you influence. come on now, there are sheep all around these parts, and you don't think the Mafia is gonna send in a wolf?
If not you, then who?
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I just woke up, I have 1) mins to decide on a vote... not a lot helps. the people that are voteing trakster are still there, and have not moved on to other targets. this worrys me, as there are far better candidates to lynch/pressure. I have some bad feelings about some of the people voting for him. I think trakster will flip green.
##vote sandroba
I want to pressure anyone voting for trakster to come out for reasons, other than activity, to vote for him. I think Sandroba is a good choice, as others before me have said. mostly I want to even out the trakster vote.
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On June 01 2011 23:58 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:57 hiro protagonist wrote: I just woke up, I have 1) mins to decide on a vote... not a lot helps. the people that are voteing trakster are still there, and have not moved on to other targets. this worrys me, as there are far better candidates to lynch/pressure. I have some bad feelings about some of the people voting for him. I think trakster will flip green.
##vote sandroba
I want to pressure anyone voting for trakster to come out for reasons, other than activity, to vote for him. I think Sandroba is a good choice, as others before me have said. mostly I want to even out the trakster vote.
You were supposed to talk about MZ. Start doing it now.
I have no time
but I encourage everyone to look back on his post and determine there own thoughts. I know you feel he is scummy, help me out.
I will be back just before the deadline I hope, good luck town.
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@Cthsazsa: who says I cant change my vote
@Node: you never answered my question.
@Palmar: you gonna change your vote then?
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@Kurumi: are you gonna keep your vote where it is?
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unless vis steps up, I might switch to him at this point
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please vis, dont shoot BC...
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do good for town, shoot another suspect! your town you say, don't make it personal!!! you will be vindicated.
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On June 02 2011 06:01 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote:I'm absolved...I'm suspicious of BC, no one is giving me any reason not to be. He's my target. I guess I'm not as good at this game as you guys, but that doesn't make me scum. Yet you kill me. That's cool. But it's also not my fault. didnt you rage in mini mafia 2 as well? You didn't play very well if you are town, accept it and move on. Don't randomly shoot the most experienced player in the game because you have a vague suspicion he is scum.
Vis played just fine in SNMM, not like his is today, It was an inactive town that made him rage a bit.
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Has anyone thought about the possibility of a roleblock or bus driver role that could affect you sinani? would you be immune to something like that?
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On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote:GUYS! I promise Wiggles is lying. I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone". I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed ScumMr. Wiggles,
your lying...
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On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote:GUYS! I promise Wiggles is lying. I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone". I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed ScumMr. Wiggles,
If you created desks role, and you where scum, and you knew you had a framer, you would do it...
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On June 03 2011 06:44 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 06:40 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote:GUYS! I promise Wiggles is lying. I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone". I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed ScumMr. Wiggles, If you created desks role, and you where scum, and you knew you had a framer, you would do it... That is a HUGE wifom and a HUGE "what if". Why are you so easily defending him, scum?. If someone kills Wiggles now, and he flips green, you guys will know I am scum. But I promise you, the above will never happen.
because I know something you dont.
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dont dayvig wiggles. I gave him his role.
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Ok, Wiggles does have a gun. I was not sure about Cthsazsa being town. still not. but Im not gonna trap him like I thought I could. It now seems very implausible that Wiggles is town. but It must be a lynch and not a bullet.
##Fistpound Palmer
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Also, I find it hilarious that everyone was worried that dt checks would come in as Badass Mother fucker. cuz thats what I did.
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On June 03 2011 07:00 Cthsazsa wrote:hiro why are you suddenly changing your mind about Wiggles? Because no one else believes you? I honestly can't tell if your just a bad town or bad scum.
I gave you my reason
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