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it's time to think up the most retarded role ever, then | ||
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On May 28 2011 10:56 R1CH wrote: (test, ignore this) crazy shit's going down, guys. Checking the TL bot's post count now. | ||
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Just sayin' | ||
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On May 30 2011 04:44 GMarshal wrote: this game is so much fun ^_^ QFT. Decon and I came to an agreement about the role I sent in relatively quickly, so I'm ready to roll. | ||
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On May 30 2011 06:06 tnkted wrote: don't worry, my suggestion was pro-town. riiiiight. Just what scum would say. | ||
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On May 30 2011 06:34 deconduo wrote: Day/Night cycle ticks at 06.00 Teamliquid time. Roles are due at 05:00 Teamliquid time tomorrow, to give me time to send out PMs etc. So ~40 minutes before this post? Excellent. Thanks decon! | ||
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example: Bulletproof Miller. Evil role, that. | ||
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I'm changing mine to make it more fun. This one's actually original. i take back what I said before. | ||
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hold on hold on hold on. This kid should be in the newbie game. Just sent him a PM. | ||
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On May 31 2011 03:31 deskscaress wrote: i'm not a kid, i'm not a smurf, i'm not a troll, and i'm not a newbie i play a ton on epicmafia and i host a mafia forum myself i'm just new to THIS site in particular good to know we've got people who are ready to policy-lynch before anything has even been posted tho Sorry 'bout that kid thing. The policy lynch thing is a joke. We had no way of knowing that you actually had experience. somebody with 1 post that registered the day of signing up for a game looks a little suspicious, usually. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote: Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment! #1 scumspect Varp! Dammit, he caught me. | ||
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*That was just an example. | ||
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I'm guessing something to do with either an alignment switch or an alternative win condition. | ||
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[ ] KP [ ] Information [ ] survivability (extra lives) [ ] unlisted check all that apply. That's vague enough that nobody should be able to tell that they got the role that you're pointing out, but specific enough to be useful. I for one would like to know how many roles with DTesque powers there are. thoughts? | ||
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Could you please explain? | ||
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Why don't we ditch them both? Neither is very good, I think. Later on, they could be more useful. Until crazy shit starts happening, i'm going to treat this like we're all vanilla, like Palmar suggested. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:45 Mig wrote: Varp your plan is horrrrrrible. The reason is it makes it super easy for the mafia to pick out targets. They will hit the people who say they have information roles and avoid the ones who have survival. Come on common sense here. you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:02 bumatlarge wrote: I think LAL is bad and you should feel bad, especially with no scope on the variables present in the game. I think it's better to say don't lie without an evident purpose that benefits town. How about this: Don't lie unless there is no better way to help the town. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:07 bumatlarge wrote: I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list  Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all? | ||
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*Shakes fist angrily* This game is going to be lol | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:16 Kurumi wrote: Ok,looks like Amber is a)A Detective Dog b) Trolling A) is more likely,that means we have some kind of Bullet-bill role. Wait, just because he has to talk like a dog means that he's a detective/bullet bill? He could be krypto the super dog, for all we know. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:21 Mig wrote: Huh I was sure it was a joke but can amber actually not speak? It would be a sick thing to fake if you were mafia. You wouldn't ever have to really contribute. yeah, but he's getting a dt check tonight, no doubt. We can't leave guy that can't be analyzed unchecked. | ||
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*woof* means yes *grrr* means no *wiggles his tail* means maybe/close. | ||
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So hiro has it right. write down those meanings, folks! We'll need to figure the rest out eventually, I'd imagine. | ||
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About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan. I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do. what does NoC stand for? | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:07 kitaman27 wrote: So you're going to alter your thread presence the moment you become under scrutiny? I'm assuming that I'm being voted for because my actions are scummy, or at the least not pro-town. When I have a better idea of what's going on, and something to contribute, I'll speak up. I realize that spamming the thread with hollow statements of the obvious is not helpful, so I'm not going to do that. Is there a problem? | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote: You're getting accused of fluffy posting. Defend your ideas mostly or accept your fate! I'm not saying you are making bad posts, I'm seeing them as intentionally inflated to make it look like your saying something. Kita didn't explain his vote which he should. If someone votes for you without putting reasons, ignore them. Alright, let me summarize what I've been saying:
The rest of my posts are either about a bad plan that I've abandoned or Amber. | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:23 Palmar wrote: + Show Spoiler [post] + Woah, that bro sure got some explainin' to do. Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on. b) Wait to see how things play out. I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote: This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious. I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing. Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though. Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on. He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: ...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: -unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep -mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game: On May 31 2011 05:23 Varpulis wrote: I'm guessing something to do with either an alignment switch or an alternative win condition. On May 31 2011 05:35 Varpulis wrote: I think that we should claim not who we designed the role for, but what purpose the role has. This doesn't put the person with the role in any danger, and gives us a rough idea of what we have to work with. It could be as simple as [ ] KP [ ] Information [ ] survivability (extra lives) [ ] unlisted check all that apply. That's vague enough that nobody should be able to tell that they got the role that you're pointing out, but specific enough to be useful. I for one would like to know how many roles with DTesque powers there are. thoughts? Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man... On May 31 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote: My plan could get fucked up bigtime by scum fake claiming, just like any other. I think that it's a better alternative to sandroba's plan, which I don't like. Why don't we ditch them both? Neither is very good, I think. Later on, they could be more useful. Until crazy shit starts happening, i'm going to treat this like we're all vanilla, like Palmar suggested. Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch. Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit. And then man, the worst of all... On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum. About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan. I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do. what does NoC stand for? A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up. No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum. Different circumstances, man! a nine man game where the scum slips easily, there are no experienced players, and the only thing to talk about is whether or not we should policy lynch lurkers is way different from a 30 man game where everybody's got a batshit insane role and are discussing roleclaims and zodiac lists (which I had never heard of). This is the most vet-filled and spammy game I've played in so far. With all the talk about amber and zodiac lists, I can't find any real scumtells yet. So yes, I'm being less assertive. Does that mean I'm scum? no. oh, btw, loving the WifoM on whether I'm scum based on a joke in the beginning of the game. Coming back to bite me now, aint it? | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:20 GMarshal wrote: I agree with Palmar, we are done discussing roles. We have ten pages of stuff to work with at this point, so let me ask some questions. Who does everyone think is most likely to be town. from their posts alone? Who hasn't posted yet who you would have expected to post? This post especially makes me think that he's town. It encourages discussion, posting opinions, and keeps us on-topic. | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:06 tnkted wrote: Lol, ok, fair enough. I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this: If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims. However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely. For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim. tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be. We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate. Amber, is RedFF pming you? | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote: anyone who is not asking Amber a detect question gets my vote immediately! any other talk is just filler and does not help, SO DON'T DO IT. We have two suspects in the form of Vamp and tnkted. talk about that! @kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp? Who is this Vamp person and why is everybody voting for him? On-topic, I think that we should wait a day or two before lynching our communal pet. He most likely has a night ability, so we might as well keep him around. We shouldn't be discussing just me and tnkted. There are other players too! Cthsazsa, what do you think of the current situation, apart from RedFF & amber? | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:46 bumatlarge wrote: Oh now your just pulling my leg, are you actually chaoser? Are people secretly smurfing or something? tnkted, one thing I've learned, people who call me town do not usually have a good track record of being town. He's not chaoser. He played in XXXIX with chaoser. | ||
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There are a bunch of people who haven't contributed much, but these guys haven't contributed at all, really. All of them need to tell us what they're thinking and why. Posting once in a while saying "i'm here" doesn't make you any more helpful. Any additions/changes to the list? I probably missed something. | ||
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I'm back, and feeling slightly more assertive. Nobody fistbump Palmar. We still have no clue what it does, and he seems to have plenty already. Will make an actually substantial post as soon as I'm fully caught up. | ||
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I'm no longer paying attention to Kurumi. He's just spamming. I don't want to lynch him, because spamming is what Kurumi does no matter what his role is, it seems, but I'd like him to think before he posts, please. On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 1.) I'm with sand here. Torte needs to start playing. 2.)BloodyC0bbler 3.)Blue... no wait, pi- Ahhhhh 4.)tnkted. More on him soon. | ||
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On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote: Huh, what? I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag. And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game. But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening. I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for. On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list? I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally. ##vote redff wow. You do realize that it's not based off of who's got the most games, right? Amber might think that Viscera's a good player, and I know that sandroba has played very well in the past. He was one of the most pro-town players in XXXIX until the scum shot him to shut him up, and key to the mafia victory in Did you miss the post explaining how RedFF got the list? Amber can quote and bold stuff, just not write his own words. I really don't like this vote because of the reasons you gave. | ||
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In my searches for scummy tnkted posts, however, I found somebody worth looking at. Rean I'm going to summarize what he's been doing in 4 words, for those of you who don't seem to like reading. blending in and lurking. He's been making posts, sure, but has yet to make any contributions of note, or any effort to do so. His constructive, useful posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:33 Rean wrote: Oh yes, genius idea, let's tell mafia who they should shoot so they can get away with fake-claiming ANYTHING THEY CAN IMAGINE. shooting down a terrible plan, fine. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote: Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now. As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea. The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do. Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious. This is less fine. Makes assumptions, and tells us that organization is bad. The only good part in this post is the LAL opinion. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 22:55 Rean wrote: It's irrelevant how long they have been playing, they have to be contributing. I have been doing so this game, don't see him doing anything that's not "sup guys dont mind me im a newbie ^^". As for thoughts on other players: tnkted is indeed acting weird but it seems to be something with his role providing him protection from being lynched that triggers this behavior. Some others players (barundar/torte/kenpachi/others i cant remember atm) are lurking/being useless in general. Not good. This was his response to being called out for lurking. Claiming contributions, defending tnkted with assumptions, then listing other lurkers and saying that they're bad. Bad post, not helpful. Based off of this alone, I'd be willing to start pressuring Rean, but there's more. he decides to vote for Coag (who is not playing) because he thinks that tnkted has even more conjectured powers, and that it'd be interesting to see what happens. On May 31 2011 22:48 Rean wrote: ...o_O Damn, that vote on coagulation is weird. My best guess is the vote on coagulation is just nonsense, and that his role lets him do that to hide his true vote. I'll try voting coag aswell to see what happens. Don't do this, please. Oh yeah, and this most recent string of posts discussing Kurumi's posting style. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? On June 01 2011 06:13 Rean wrote: ebwop: i just checked the thread again, there's not a single you, your or you're that doesn't have the capital Y. That is VERY weird. I'd guess his role forces him to talk like that for some reason, but i'm not sure what that'd be :/ On June 01 2011 06:28 Rean wrote: Okay, looking back at XXXIX it seems like he just has a bad understanding of when to use capital letters. Weird, but not scummy. Let's dismiss it for now. Waste of our time and just spamming the thread. Don't do this either. I like how he checks through the thread to see Kurumi's posting style, not to find scum. In conclusion: Rean needs to be more helpful and Pro-town. He has no excuse not to, unlike Torte(who also needs to step up his game). I'm sticking a vote on him until he does. | ||
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sandroba, let's pressure the lurkers, not lynch or vigi them. They'll either get modkilled or we'll have extra townies. It's too early to tell if a player is lurking mafia or inactive town. Instead of killing them off, we should use our role/alignment checking powers on them, because they're the only ones not giving us any clues. Torte is just about our worst lynch today. | ||
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On June 01 2011 09:41 sandroba wrote: LOL I'm not getting lynched today unless town is stupid. I refuse to believe it. That's just wishful thinking by you. Stop arguing with jackal and start contributing, then. You've made your point. If you respond to every post of his you're just going to end up spamming the thread and seeming more scummy. Posts like "lol town won't lynch me unless they're stupid" are not helpful. | ||
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As such, I'll join the lynch on Tackster. He's trying to blend in just like Rean, and has contributed even less. Rean still needs to contribute more, though. IGMEOY. | ||
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Tackster I don't like people who pretend to be helpful. Tackster is doing just that. He has 3 posts. In this situation, a post-by-post analysis should suffice. Post 1: On May 31 2011 06:19 Tackster wrote: Hey guys I'm up to date!! This looks likes it's going to be so unpredictable it takes weeks to come crashing down  Remember Insane 2? Think we can hit 50 pages by night 1?Anyway my 2 cents - i think revealing who we created roles for is useless. Mafia would know everyone that they created a role for and could share it in their quicktopics - we on the other hand would have no useful info to share in thread. And what's with all the Pound Fisting?? Am I the only one that finds that suspicious? Palmar wrote a command and 2 people replied - that has to be looked into... States the obvious and says what everybody else has been saying, and reminds us that he's playing. On May 31 2011 06:27 Tackster wrote: Amber your role wouldnt happen to be scooby doo would it? Cos technically scooby could talk ...*great post* /sarcasm On June 01 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok I need to address an accusation by Meapak and contribute more. Hello Guys!! I last posted before going to bed and 12 hours later I woke up to a pounding headache so I havent even tried checking the thread until now. After this post I will probably head back to bed as I must be coming down with something. Anyways I've been writing notes as I read so this may not all be linear but it should cover anything I found stange: The amber and redFF debate: I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!) As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense? Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!! I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote. Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me )I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS! Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought! Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well  Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing. IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders). Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought. I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently! Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 20:51. Posts 406 Palmar, bro, you said you need at least 4 fistpounds to get working. So cut the small talk, tell ya bros what number of fistpounds are critical, will ya? Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something. No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge. Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar. Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 21:21. Posts 406 Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game. First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now. Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun. And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand. But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then. And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear. Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...) Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!! Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town... Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange. Ok i'm off again - chat you guys tomorrow. KISSES xx Monster post of him rambling on about theories and vague possibilities. This really says nothing at all, and just seems to be a big post for the sake of being a big post. 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@kita I agree that Rean needs to explain his posting, but a vote on him didn't seem to be doing much. Did you see my analysis? It said pretty much exactly what you just did. | ||
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On June 01 2011 10:28 prplhz wrote: @Node If you think that Tackster was really scum would he have ended his post with "KISSES xx". And you say that his post is easily not noticable, I just really think that it is. It is a very long post from a dude you haven't seen around a lot. I think if he were scum he would really have made that post a bit shorter, it might be the longest post I remember reading in this post so far. That said, yes it is full of fluff but I don't think we should judge people by their not being useful right now. This game is beyond complex and I don't think anybody has proved to be conclusively useful yet. I also think that in the likely case that Tackster flips green then we will have gained nothing except a wasted lynch. So who do you think have conclusively contributed to this thread since you think that lack of contribution is a criteria for lyching? And why do you think that Tackster is the one who contributed the least? I mean at least he never spammed the thread like Kurumi or sandroba. I hope to god you're joking about the kisses. This entire argument is WifoM. Tackster isn't just being useless, he's adding worthless posts to the thread. This is a scummy defense, imo. | ||
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On June 01 2011 10:56 prplhz wrote: @Node Would you really not agree that if you don't want to draw too much attention to yourself and your post, you don't write something in it that will wholly differentiate you from everybody else in the game? Such as writing something as insane as "KISSES xx"? I am not saying that it is that easy, I am just saying that if he wanted to go unnoticed with his post then it would have been easy and he would probably not try to call unnecessary attention to it. Like you do by writing crazy stuff like that. I think your argument for voting for Tackster is pretty bad and I also think that if Tackster flips green, something I consider very likely, then we will have gained absolutely nothing except maybe a clear scum read on sandroba. But I know another way to get a clear scum read on sandroba that will even give us more information if sandroba flips green than if Tackster does. We flip sandroba! WifoM. Stop using it as an argument. Why is sandroba red if tackster isn't, specifically? He's only mentioned him once, and it wasn't a compelling argument that really rallied the town to lynch him, just pointing out how bad the post was. Tackster flipping green would prove nothing about sandroba's alignment at all. wrong != scum | ||
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On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. No. This is just a waste of time. Guess who is guilty of thread derailment? Question 2 looks like a medic looking for advice or scum wanting to know who to hit. Question 3 has been discussed to death, and questions 4-7 are moderately scummy at best. I guess you should be taking note of me now? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [analysis] + Kurumi has already brought him up, and upon looking through his posts, I found a lot of scummy content. That person is prplhz he's either absolute noobtown or scum being coached to act noob, like sinani last game. The thing is, if you look through his posts in SNMM II, he's capable of forming a logical, intelligent argument. in this game, however, he is doing quite the opposite. Some of his scummy gems: + Show Spoiler [regarding kita] + On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. + Show Spoiler [regarding sandroba] + On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba. He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that. Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him). ##Vote sandroba On June 01 2011 09:04 prplhz wrote: @sandroba Care to explain why you aren't scum????????????????????????????????????????????? You reek of scum because of your behavior. I'm pretty sure I already stated this. You go batshit crazy every time anybody talks about you and this just not fits with townie behavior in my book. It might be double reverse WIFOM from my side retaining your point of view but I really think that you're not town. Do you feel the heat sandroba? Yea it's not pleasant now is it? This especially is a terrible post. Mentions "double reverse WifoM" and attacks sandroba for defending himself, albeit aggressively. On June 01 2011 09:38 prplhz wrote: @sandroba If I were you'd I'd just accept my fate. You are going to get lynched because you act scummy. Now in the case that you are really just a bad townie acting aloof, you should really try to contribute before it is too late. Your analysis may become invaluable once that we know your alignment for sure. This one too. "don't even try to not get lynched, just contribute then when we lynch you we can look at your analysis." + Show Spoiler [regarding tackster] + Bring on the hardcore defense of a lurker who posts fluff. On June 01 2011 10:28 prplhz wrote: @Node If you think that Tackster was really scum would he have ended his post with "KISSES xx". And you say that his post is easily not noticable, I just really think that it is. It is a very long post from a dude you haven't seen around a lot. I think if he were scum he would really have made that post a bit shorter, it might be the longest post I remember reading in this post so far. That said, yes it is full of fluff but I don't think we should judge people by their not being useful right now. This game is beyond complex and I don't think anybody has proved to be conclusively useful yet. I also think that in the likely case that Tackster flips green then we will have gained nothing except a wasted lynch. WifoM(KISSES), could be a joke, then makes the terrible suggestion that we shouldn't judge people by how helpful they've been. On June 01 2011 10:56 prplhz wrote: @Node Would you really not agree that if you don't want to draw too much attention to yourself and your post, you don't write something in it that will wholly differentiate you from everybody else in the game? Such as writing something as insane as "KISSES xx"? I am not saying that it is that easy, I am just saying that if he wanted to go unnoticed with his post then it would have been easy and he would probably not try to call unnecessary attention to it. Like you do by writing crazy stuff like that. I think your argument for voting for Tackster is pretty bad and I also think that if Tackster flips green, something I consider very likely, then we will have gained absolutely nothing except maybe a clear scum read on sandroba. But I know another way to get a clear scum read on sandroba that will even give us more information if sandroba flips green than if Tackster does. We flip sandroba! So the Kisses thing is a serious defense? What? repeating defenses of Tackster and tunneling sandroba. And now we come to his voting pattern. Votes sandroba, is extremely confident of sandroba. Suddenly, when more people start posting in favor of sand being town, he backs down. On June 01 2011 22:52 prplhz wrote: Okay I agree that there's no point in spreading votes like this. sandroba has had his share of pressure put on him and if people don't think that he slipped then I guess I'll drop my case against him for now. ##Unvote sandroba "I've pressured him enough, not going to spread my vote" sandroba is (was?) up there on the vote count. Taking a vote off him is not helping focus the lynch targets. Then Kurumi starts to put on some pressure, and instead of refuting his points, prplhz does this: On June 02 2011 00:43 prplhz wrote: @Kurumi As do I with your vote on me. If you of all people want to apply pressure then maybe it's not me you should be voting for. You are not helping anybody in any way right now. On June 02 2011 04:06 prplhz wrote: I am going to vote for Kurumi because I find his behavior disruptive. I think he has about 60-70 posts in this game so far and I bet almost all of them are one/two liners. I also have another reason that makes him scummy, he has done something that we all agreed townies should not do, but I cannot tell you about that until day2. ##Vote: Kurumi OMGUS, and not recognizing that Kurumi has been as helpful as I've ever seen him. his style is short posts, and this game he's had a lot of long ones too. Look through XXXIX, he plays very similarly, and gets lynched for it as town. I don't want to make that mistake again. | ||
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There may be more, but I'm in a hurry. Thoughts? At this point, he seems more scummy to me than Tackster, if Tackster agrees to step it up if we don't lynch him. | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:44 Palmar wrote: Meh, I switched again, cause I'm just that baller. VisEyes wasn't getting enough on him anyway. Who wants to check out a bro and see if tnkted really won't hang? That'd be funny as hell. ##Vote tnkted and an utter waste of time if he's not making it up. He needs to get checked, not lynched, so that we don't waste our lynches if his role really ensures that he'll survive to the lategame. | ||
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We're off to a bad start, to say the least. | ||
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I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements. It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety? From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:28 Node wrote: Let's stop talking about Vis' decision. It's been made and there's nothing we can do about it. Instead, let's talk about what we do next. Why did Tackster not die? He roleclaimed and that was enough to get some people to shift their votes off of him, but I thought we had already established pretty well that role != alignment. I don't see his "death post" as being anything especially redeeming, especially since it was just enough to get someone else lynched. I'm particularly suspicious of Varpulis now, since his vote switch to Viscera had almost no justification. Also, I really really dislike that tnkted's defense amounts to, "you can't lynch me, nyah nyah". But can he survive night hits? I'm going to advocate a vigi hit on him until he proves his worth. I made a post calling him scummy, decided to roll with it when he refused to listen to the town's request to put his vote where it mattered. On June 02 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote: I'm on the fence about VisceraEyes. Either he's scum and doing a poor job of it or town and doing a terrible job of it. I'm not going to go post by post because I don't have time to make a well organized post (20 min till lynch, want to give people time to respond), but in bullet point form:
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On June 02 2011 06:40 Mataza wrote: Ah yes, redff is still angry at me for the pressure. Fine by me. And apparently Viscera behaved exactly the same as in snmm2. I however do not think we should be that liberal with our killing powers. For all I can guess town kp are limited. And even unhelfpul townies count towards the number of living townies, which are kinda important to not lose. So not senseless shooting please. So my proposal for action is: Jokeratlarge gogo kill As for other night actions, if you can determine alignment go check tnkted. Palmar, do we have a clear read on Varpulis from overfistpounding or just your analysis? His analysis is out of date. It was a meta analysis because I wasn't being assertive. Lately, I've been playing a lot more like I usually do than I was before. I always manage to lynch a townie day 1 it seems... My voteswitch off viscera came a minute after the deadline because my internet was freaking out.  | ||
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Kill Mataza Thanks for sharing bum. I was suspicious of Chaos13 a while back, but after looking through his posts he looks clean. Don't kill him. | ||
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huh? I agree that Mataza's scummy and that his death would be useful. Bum has unlimited night hits, and in light of that Mataza's the player i'd suggest killing. Do you want me to post a detailed analysis? I usually don't do that at night. | ||
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Perhaps we use our friendly neighborhood Serial Killer so that any vigis with limited shots don't have to waste them? Sandroba, how do you expect somebody who's not scum to identify scum every night and shoot them? It's an unreasonable expectation. imo we should keep bum alive for now, because he's coorperating. A DT check wouldn't hurt though, to keep him honest. | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:42 redFF wrote: goddamnit sinani...Just because i claimed doesn't mean you have to. For all we know Sinani could be a mafia PGO type role and will just kill anyone who visits him -_- Which is why I said earlier that only the person killing him should visit. | ||
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Good luck town! Before I forget...  | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:07 Palmar wrote: I killed Varpulis. Thanks for that, Palm. No hard feelings though, gl to everybody. Now I can sign up for SNMM III! | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:22 bumatlarge wrote: why so serious? lol | ||
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You are the Paranoid Paratrooper. You can choose to spend a night in your plane, immune to all night actions. On the first night you are visited, you gun down anybody visiting you at night. If you get hit by a vigilante, you both die in the firefight. If mafia targets you, whoever sent in the list dies with you. | ||
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