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On May 28 2011 07:34 tnkted wrote: I am so in broseph. /in Somebody give me a bus driving role where I can bus myself and I'll love you forever Someone should give you the bus driver role where you always need to bus yourself :D | ||
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1. Will the complete role list be made public after all the roles have been assigned? If yes, would it be just the role title or role description also? 2. In the event of hosts making a change to any role for being imbalanced or having potential issues, would the person who originally made the role be informed about it? | ||
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On May 31 2011 03:31 deskscaress wrote: i'm not a kid, i'm not a smurf, i'm not a troll, and i'm not a newbie i play a ton on epicmafia and i host a mafia forum myself i'm just new to THIS site in particular good to know we've got people who are ready to policy-lynch before anything has even been posted tho Welcome to TL and mafia forum  I doubt Varp was serious about the policy-lynch per se. If you read the pre-game banter, there have been a lot of messing around going on. As long as you are active, do not get mod-killed, and follow the game rules listed in OP, I don't think you have any problems here. | ||
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I am guessing it is still 2 hours from the official game start. | ||
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I do not fully agree with the first idea. I don't think we should discuss the type of roles we gave out or who we gave out the role to as it allows scum to narrow out who gave them the role. This is bad for the town as as long as the scum do not know who gave them the role, they are not in a position to fake claim. Once scum knows who gave them the role, they can wait till that person dies or take that person out and fake claim after that. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:41 redFF wrote: I'm sorry but could someone explain how all of town saying who they gave their role to helps us in any way? I don't think anyone except sandroba is alright with that plan at this point. | ||
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Zodiac list A confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not. | ||
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I have never seen BC in a game but following the mafia forums the past couple of months are enough to show that he is strong player. I have seen Bumatlarge and GMarshal show strong play in the last few games I have followed around here. @GMarshal 1. At this point, I am not getting a town read on anyone per se. 2. I would say Barundar would possibly be the one. | ||
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Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff. | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: Ok, I'm gonna claim. I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day. I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation. I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest. My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage. If it is true, it is a really bad role claim. I can think of multiple situations where this role can be rather powerful. Even in the case you wanted to talk to Amber, I don't think you should have role-claimed.  Well, what's done is done. I hope you do not get hit by lightning and no one else follows suit in pointless role-claims. :| | ||
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Firstly, can people also please vote in the main thread in addition to the PTP voting thread? If everyone does this, it allows the town to track the bandwagon and lurking voters and can call out people on obviously scummy vote switches. Secondly, regardless of the alignment of Palmar, I would recommend people avoid 'bro-fisting' (or whatever) him. If he is town, I think between Node, GM, and tnkted; he should have enough options to use his powers wisely. If he is scum, I don't think we should provide him with additional potential kill targets (with a suicide bomb/admiral akbar type ability). | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:45 Cthsazsa wrote: I honestly believe redFF's roleclaim. Meapak, if you are FoSing him because of that, please start tunneling him or something. The only reason why I think you would FoS him is because you're the man who gave him a role. No one has countered redFF's claim, so I think it's safe to say we drop that? Just because it is likely that we can confirm redFF's role does not mean it also confirms his alignment. | ||
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Also, his role is pro-town in nature which can be out to good use if the town controls his role usage. As long as his role powers are controlled by the town, it is unlikely that he is a direct threat to the town (given the fact mafia KP is constant irrespective number of scum alive). This, of course is dependent on the fact that his role is limited to PM's and does not have any additional powers. Even if it has additional powers, I doubt he can use PM and the extra power together (since that seems to break the role strength). So, as long as we have to force him to use him PM ability everyday, I don't think he can harm the town. | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Seriously stop talking about roles. They serve no purpose. If he is mafia, his role is pro mafia. If he is town, its pro town. IT does not matter if town controls where he uses it. If he is mafia he can easily manipulate someone into giving him information they shouldnt. If he is town he could link to a mafia and be manipulated into giving out info. Stop talking about roles. It is not constructive day 1, nor helpful. Roles do not win games for town, analysis and townies do. I was talking about the role since it was the only role claimed and that event was the basis of the argument against a person. However, I can see your point of view and will not bring in the 'role' part in the discussion again (unless I think it is of specific relevance to the analysis). In terms of today activity, between the dog speak, role claim, and zodiac lists, there hasn't been too much useful discussion in the town. I have seen only two note-worthy suspicious activities till now: 1. Sandroba's plan of people claiming whom they picked the role for - which was unanimously vetoed as a dumb idea by the town. Given Sandroba's play in previous games, it is suspicious that he is unable to see how bad this plan is. Also, he conveniently went MIA once his plan was down by the town. This, by itself, doesn't make him scum but it is something to keep in mind when analyzing his later play. 2. As for the 2nd one, I plan to keep an eye on the second person and read more of his posts before makes an analysis on him tomorrow. | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote: @Palmar Given the nature of the game, I'm wary of giving you any kind of pounding of fists until I understand your role better, no offense....so don't ask. @everyone making lists Stop it. Unless it's a list about the happenings INSIDE THIS THREAD, I for one am NOT interested. I'm assuming EVERYONE is EQUALLY badass at this game...and as such, everyone would be on my list. If you want to make a list, make a list of instances x player contradicted himself in posts in this game...or a list of people that Palmar has tried to get a bro-fist from. These are more telling than lists of people who may or may not be good mafia members in theory. On May 31 2011 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I might loathe myself in the morning, but with company like GM, Node and tnkted so far... #fistpound Palmar On May 31 2011 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote: ebwodp: Consider that my way of saying gg for SNMMII Care to explain this sudden change of heart on two accounts: 1. Fistpounding Palmar while strongly advocating against it - scum trying to fit in as town? Or scum trying to get into a potential PM circle? 2. I thought you were only interested in what was happening in this game. Why is company 'like' GM, Node, tnkted important? They haven't done anything noteworthy as of yet in this game. Also why bring in the gg from SNMM II in this game if you think stuff from outside this game has no relevance here. Seems like you are trying too hard to be in the good books of Palmar now. | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:15 deskscaress wrote: he also doesn't put spaces after his commas,like this. it's really unnerving. is that how he normally posts or is it also worth noting? English is not his first language so his grammar is generally bad. On top of that, he likes to have an inane style of posting which got him lynched on the first day in XXXIX. I went back and checked XXXIX and he had the same style of posting 'You' so I doubt it is a posting restriction or a breadcrumb. | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote: Well their claim holds no wheight if there's no one to confirm it, and if they do it it will sound extremelly fishy unless they provide info that helps us find mafia. I can't see a scenario where mafia claiming a role without info that leads us to scum and without anyone to confrim it that results into them being less suspicious. Can you please provide me with an example? There might be an occasion in the game where we might want people to role-claim. At that point, if the mafia does not know who gave them the role, they cannot fake claim. On the other hand, if we give scum all the information in a silver platter, they can make as many fake claims as they want. | ||
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I have not seen any obvious scum slip-ups which paint someone clearly as mafia. However, there are some suspect activities which do show potential scum tells. Here are the suspect activities and my take on them. 1. Sandroba's plan - I won't go in the debate on whether the plan is good or bad because it is a horse that has been beaten to death. I believe the plan is bad and scummy in nature. I also believe that it is bad enough in nature that any scum won't deliberately propose it to paint himself as scum (esp a decent player as Sandroba). So, the argument against him is mostly WIFOM. The rest of his play (rather aggressive in nature) is similar to his town play in XXXIX and SNMM so I don't suspect him on any meta as well. Given this, I would be hesitant to vote on him just on the basis of it. However, he seems a good candidate for the zodiac list and I believe the town should keep pressure on him to contribute. 2. Palmar - I don't know why most of the town is giving him a free pass. His posting comes suspect to me and it is highlighted by two things: weak accusation of Varpulis, and fist-pumping. Despite what his role entails and its need for fist-pumping, I believe he should be contributing more in terms of analysis. Also, once evident that his case against Varpulis isn't gaining any support, he has slipped into the shadows. His analysis of Varpulis based on SNMM is pointless as that game was rather different both in terms of setup and quality of players involved (all newbies). If he really wanted to compare, XXXIX was a better place in terms of vet+new player mix and size of the game. Also, bad plan =/= scum necessarily. The bigger suspect behavior were gems like this: On June 01 2011 00:40 Palmar wrote: No reason to scumhunt bro, just help me drag that Varpulis guy to the gallows. There is no reason not to scum hunt. At best, I would give 55-45 odds to your case against Varpulis which means the town needs to scum hunt. Even if we were 100% sure that Varpulis is scum, we still need to hunt scum since there are more than one scum. On June 01 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote: it's ok, can anyone just shoot mataza tonight so we don't have to deal with the insanity? Sudden vigi-shot call on Mataza. I can't find any insanity per se and you do not provide any reasons as to why we should do this. There are more red flags raised by his posting but those are in regards to his role-playing and fist-pumping. I would like to see how the night plays out before commenting on it. 3. prphlz's defense of Tackster - It sounds so ridiculously stupid that someone is not scum because they posted Kisses at the end of the post. For all we know, it might be something related to his role in this crazy setup. I have never played with him or followed a game where he played so I do not know whether his play is usually better than this. 4, Sinani's sudden appearance when he was called out in the thread. It might be a coincidence but given his similar play as scum I would keep this is mind. He has made a couple of posts since then which seem acceptable in quality but nothing spectacular. Based on my read through of the thread, my #1 lynch candidate would have been Palmar. However, somehow 8 people in town thought it was a good idea to fist-pound him w/o wondering about potential consequences. So, I am hesitant to make him a lynch candidate as the potential risk to reward ratio is too high. The rest three suspicions do not merit a lynch vote by themselves. I need to double check on tackster, tnkted and Rean since those three seem to a point of discussion at this point of time. | ||
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I can agree with people saying that there is some fluff in the post esp. the part regarding Palmar and tnkted role's. However, I do find some relevant contributions as well in the post. His idea about redFF-Amber isn't too bad as it keeps the dog-speak clutter off the thread. I am not sure whether redFF's subsequent PM with Amber regarding the zodiac list was a consequence of this idea or independent of it, but it seems quite a good use of redFF's ability. I also agree with his comment of duplicating the vote on the main thread as well. It is good for current vote analysis as well as future reading where in-thread votes allow someone analyze voting patterns without going through the hassle of ascertaining time-stamps of the vote. The idea of outing mafia-centric roles might also be a reasonable one though it is a debate best left for Day 2. It does remind me of controlling power roles in PYP-Insane. Tackster's post by itself doesn't scream scum to me. It is a mediocre post but it does contribute something to the discussion. I think the only reason it is gathering attention is that he posted it all in one go while others have made posts similar in nature just split up and spread apart throughout the thread. | ||
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On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. Ok, this post is scummy as hell. It serves no purpose for the town except derails discussion and encourages spam. The only ones who can benefit from these answers are scum. And the post ends with an appeal to the town-cred trying to subtly suggest that people not answering the questions are suspicious/scum. (see itals) #Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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There is a general lack of content in their posts but that can be said about Torte, Kenpachi, Barundar, and hiro to name some other folks. I am not familiar with the playstyle of those two as well so cannot comment on a scum/town read based on that. Some finals thoughts before I head to bed, I think that there are too many lynch candidates and my voting on Viscera does not help either. Too many candidates put more power in the hands of scum to control the lynch. I am of the opinion that narrowing down the lynch candidates might be a better idea so that the town can focus on a smaller pool. | ||
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Can we get an updated vote tally in the vote thread? | ||
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On June 01 2011 21:13 Mataza wrote: I will post one, I keep tabs on that stuff. If you read the vote thread, I am asking for an official tally for a specific reason. Otherwise, I would have added up the votes myself. I want to know if Meapak's vote was specifically not counted or somehow Tackster is immune to votes. This is information that is relevant to the town. | ||
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On June 01 2011 21:26 Mataza wrote: Good point. I would think it pretty strange that votes on tackster straightout become invalid. It would be gamebreaking like tnkteds claim that he cannot be lynched nor killed. I just cannot imagine those things to be in the game. Pointless to speculate. Just wait for the official vote count. | ||
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1. Vote-checker DT - If you have a role which is similar to this one which reveals number of possible mafia is a voting list, do check the vote list of VisceraEyes. It is likely that we have a scum or two in there since it was quite a close lynch with a lot of vote switching going around the end. If you have something similar also and not necessarily limited to votes, use it on a medium-to-short sized list (relevant to your role) to find/eliminate possible scum from your lists. 2. Inventor-type roles - Police siren radio is an excellent idea from PYP-Insane. It can obviously be modified in context of this game as well. A secondary idea will be the inventor making a vote-checker device and checking the vote-list on Viscera. 3. Watcher-type roles follow zodiac list to follow those people. I would recommend using BC's zodiac list since he is a confirmed townie now. 4. DT-type roles focus outside the zodiac list. Of course, it is finally up-to the person with the role to decide what to do with it but it is better to start organizing the town than run like headless chicken asking for vigi-shot for one and everyone. On that topic, I am also surprised to see so many calls for vigi-hits tonight. Most of the Day1 analysis has been WIFOM. More often than not, Day1 lynch is a townie. So, it is not surprising to see a Day1 town lynch. It is bad that we lost BC as well but that was not caused by scum. As for the vigi-hits tonight, I recommend using no vigi-hits tonight simply since we do not know how much KP town has and how much KP mafia has. Also, there is a lack of serious scum contenders or any analysis regarding it either so there is no point wasting town KP on what will be a 50-50 chance. All I see is 10 people shouting for vigi-hit on 10 other people without strong analysis or justification. I am also seriously surprised to see none of the vets in the game finding all the Night1 vigi-hit talk bad. | ||
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On June 02 2011 09:47 deskscaress wrote: ^real BBCode. how do i make green text on this forum? "[color][/color]" replace color with green, red, blue. | ||
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If not, I will have to see the odds to make a decision about it. | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:42 redFF wrote: goddamnit sinani...Just because i claimed doesn't mean you have to. For all we know Sinani could be a mafia PGO type role and will just kill anyone who visits him -_- Which is why we use Bum to kill Sinani. No other townie touches him. Good things happen -> BC revives Bad things happen -> Bum dies and the town gets rid of two baddies | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: It couldn't be a recruiting role, could it? As in it brings back BC, but changes his alignment? I'm trying to think of any possibility where scum would want to do this, and that's about the only one I can think of. The only other thing, would be if he's something like a methman or NRA member, but then he'd only do a 1 to 1 trade, and that's bad for scum, so it's unlikely. Also, if we send Bum in to do it, any possible traps become irrelevant, because they won't kill town anyways :p I think we should go for it, if we're sure of his alignment. Since there is both role and alignment reveal on flip, I doubt mafia would play this card.. | ||
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On June 03 2011 05:54 redFF wrote: ... So conditional voting is scummy but when you do it its ok... SHOOT HIM PLEASE THIS GUY HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING IN HIS LAST TOWN GAME HE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO CONTRIBUTE. HE HAS DONE JACK SHIT ALL GAME AND NEEDS TO DIE CUZ HES SCUM.... Can you cut down on the caps and read the thread please? All night activities have been decided since the deadline to submit them has ended. Lets just wait for the day post. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:17 Kurumi wrote: Ok guys so there's couple of things. Bumatlarge chosen my role. That may but may not indicate GM is scum. I told GM everything about my role. Bum crumbs it when he talks about smelling things from far away. I am Tarp Mage and I feel KP from galaxy away. I was roleblocked,thus I couldn't use my role. At one point in the game I said I could confirm Bum being scum using my role. His roleblock claim is FALSE. I've chosen role for Prplhz. On June 03 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: I claim killing Sandroba. Desk was a mafia hit. Varp was Palmar's hit. Prp was Node's hit. Mafia has only 1KP in entire team? Does not compute | ||
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Bum claimed role-block for not being able to shoot. Kurumi claimed role-block AND killing Sandroba (not the first slip-up that I caught). He claimed a role-block again once Mr.Wiggles ability was revealed. Clearly, one of them is lying. | ||
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If decon doesn't answer this, for those who have been around in the mafia forum longer, what is general precedent for role-block and SK/Assassin KP usage? | ||
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On June 03 2011 07:27 Kurumi wrote: I don't know if I can quote deconduo's pm but he told me that only my role was blocked and my SK-related skills are left untouched. Interesting that you say so since you wouldn't know that you were role-blocked till the day post. | ||
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Considering he has a potential night KP, it is too risky to let Wiggles live w/o any guaranteed confirmation of his alignment. Regarding Kurumi and Bum, I believe we should ensure that their vote doesn't influence the lynch at any point of time. Both of them are either scum or SK and it is not good for town that their vote be a deciding factor. Even though, Mr. Wiggles is the obvious lynch target at this point, I still think Bum and Kurumi should cross-vote for each other and continue doing so till both of them are alive. Once one of them dies, we can decide what to do with their vote. | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote: If the individual that wrote Sinani's role is still alive I would love to hear from you. Mig claimed it | ||
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On June 03 2011 23:22 Palmar wrote: oh, and in addition. I claimed an uncontested night kill on the mole, I claimed my role, confirmed by tnkted. I'm probably the greenest bro in town right now. You're going down chaos13. No, you are not. You are most likely not scum (barring a bus). But that doesn't mean you can't be 3rd party. Also, killing Varpulis doesn't earn any cred in terms of your analysis. It means your analysis on Day1 and the subsequent judgment was crappy as hell. Varpulis was a mole but he didn't know that so he was playing town which means you shot a townie. Yeah, it turned out lucky for town that he flipped mole but considering how many townies took pointless pot-shots, it was all a question of probabilities of some jackass hitting the jackpot. This game that jackass is you. In fact, if I see you trying to claim more town cred for shooting a mole or using that as a justification for making people follow your analysis, I am more likely to believe that you are scum who bussed the mole. | ||
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Afaik, Kurumi has hinted it many times. But this is the first time he has stated openly. But between his inane posts, spam, and bad grammar, I might have missed it. | ||
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Eternalmisfit- he seems to refuse to commit to accusations, at all. this post really stands out to me as he gives plenty of opinions, but fails to accuse anyone, instead he casts doubt on everyone, thats the kind of play I would expect to see from mafia trying to sow dissent. This post is a clear example of "leading" without contributing, role action lists need specific names and reasons rather than "follow this guy's list" I am seriously laughing on this analysis. GMarshal, be more of a hypocrite please. In 2 days of posting, you have never posted any analysis on suspicion apart from me on bogus reasons. You didn't vote on Day1. And then you accuse me of failing to commit. In fact, in more than half the reads you posted in the wall-of-text post, you claim 'might be scum' or 'might be town'. And second reason of 'leading around', I am sorry I am not vet enough to have the authority to decide who the exact targets are (and it's not like people here follow my suggestions of not blowing half the town up by mishits). But considering 'vets' like you, Barundar, kita and others aren't interested in even posting about night actions, I thought it might be a good idea to provide some insight for people with the roles instead of going gung-ho over vigi-hits. Also, I clearly said to use BC's zodiac list since he is a confirmed townie (cant get more specific than that). Again, the very same can be said of you on Day1 where you twice asked questions without answers them yourselves. It's nice to see being accused of being scum on the basis of totally content-less arguments most of which is applicable to you too. | ||
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There are: 12 - 20 Townies Remaining 4 - 8 Mafia Remaining 1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining | ||
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On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote: There are: 12 - 20 Townies Remaining 4 - 8 Mafia Remaining 1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining You know I can't make head or tails of the first number count for scum/3rd party. 12 townies out of 20 makes sense since 8 townies have died (counting Varp as a townie). However, 4 out of 8 scum makes no sense since no mafia has died, unless it means that 4 moles are still in the game. 4 moles, by itself, is something that seems too unrealistic to me. Even if we assume 4 out of 8 means 4 moles are there, then 1 out of 5 3rd party being alive makes no sense since 3rd party 'cannot' role switch. The only way these numbers make sense to me is its 4 to 8 mafia and 1 to 5 3rd party remaining in which case it is either 4 mafia+5 third party (or) 8 mafia+ 1 third party which makes sense. In this, however, the town numbers seem to be short. Can Brownbear/Decon confirm that these numbers are error-free? | ||
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On June 04 2011 07:00 deconduo wrote: Its not X of Y remaining. Its a number between X and Y remaining. Thanks!! | ||
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You are the Tarp Mage. You can smell traps a full galaxy away! You will be notified of how much total KP is possible each night. If any night KP is used on you, you can choose to negate it for that night. You will be notified of the source (Mafia KP, Vig, bomb, etc). If that KP source can be used the next night, it automatically targets you. ##Fistpound: Palamar. I hope this doesn't come back to bite the town but I think we will need the KP and hopefully Palmar can hold on his promise of not randomly shooting people. On June 05 2011 02:53 kitaman27 wrote: Jackal, why is your plan based on killing kurumi, rather than bum? Of the two, wouldn't you much rather see bum dead, or do you have an ulterior motive? Jackal is in a PM circle with bum and few others so I believe he has information which convinces him that leaving Bum alive is better. In either, we will need to off one of them tonight IMO. | ||
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Watcher List Gmarshal Barundar Meapak Three vets who have been largely inactive among the Zodiac List DT check Amber - would suggest alignment DT's only since his role is semi-confirmed. tnkted Rean Role-block Kurumi - so he can't use his role to avoid the KP. Medic I don't feel think we should discuss medic lists (if there are any) since we don't want the scum to know who we are more likely to protect. Also, unless scum held back on its KP last night, I would think that they 1-2 KP left. | ||
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Palmar who did you hit last night? (No one fist pound him till we know that) | ||
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Cant be since he gets the shot after getting fist-pounds. For the love of SC gods, don't give him more fist-pounds. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:27 Mig wrote: Palmar is claiming that he lied about his powers to try and draw night hits. But getting lives is his real power. How do you know he was not saying the truth originally and not lying now. I am getting suspicious of redFF, and Mig providing fist-pounds to a claimed liar who has shot townies twice without thinking twice. PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T FIST-POUND PALMAR TILL tnkted CONFIRMS HIS ROLE AT-LEAST. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:37 Mig wrote: I mean lie again because if he is telling the truth about his first statement being a lie then that was a very pro town lie because it would draw mafia hits while he had extra lives. If he were lying now then it is definitely anti town so he wouldn't lie this time unless him and tnkted were both mafia. It was a very pro-town move killing a near confirmed DT chaos13 and a police officer who despite being a mole would have been a tremendous help to the town (see GM in PYP-Insane). | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:42 Mig wrote: Am I blindly believing him EM or am I believing him because I think it is highly unlikely for the mafia to shoot their mole night 1? And like I said if he doesn't shoot who we tell him then we just lynch him. I don't understand what the problem is? It makes a lot of sense for mafia to bus a mole to gain town-cred because his role was useless to scum and could be potentially very useful to town in the first two days. Also, if he confirmed DT before day 3, he would be rather hard pressed to contribute so he is little worth as scum (again check PYP-I). As for the second statement, that was supposed happen today. He was supposed to shoot as town directed last night. What did he do? He went ahead and blew the brains out of a near confirmed DT. redFF pretty much announced on a microphone that chaos13 was a watcher. Finally, read the other role descriptions and then read Palmar's. Do you really think a unlimited night vig who can gain extra lives forever by fist-pounding seem plausible? Near ever KP/vet role had some crazy restriction which limited #hits, #lives, or lost powers on a certain event. In case of Palmar, yeah a night time vig with unlimited shots and potentially 2/3 extra night lives is totally believable. | ||
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I am quite confident that Palmar is scum at this point. I will be posting my scum suspect list and other reads sometime tomorrow morning once I re-do a PBP analysis of their posting. @Sinani Better start posting more. I see that you are quite active in SNMM 3 and LR threads but seem to be totally absent from here. Also, your post timings, fist-pound timing and timing to come in to defend Palmar reminds me of XXXIX | ||
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On June 07 2011 01:20 DropBear wrote: Hey guys, sorry I haven't been around. I am having severe internet issues as our download cap got reached and it's taking me forever to load a page. I even have to use Internet Explorer, bleh. Meapak has died because of me. I asked people not to medic protect or dt check me. I should have said night actions of any kind -_- him using a night action on me activated my passive ability and killed him. Anyone claiming to have shot him is lying. I will be back at uni tomorrow where I have full internet access again and will get caught up and post my thoughts. DropBear's claim makes a lot of sense based on the information I have. Either Kurumi or Palmar are lying on their KP claims since mafia should have killed one of those with their KP. | ||
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On June 07 2011 02:10 Torte de Lini wrote: Good job deflecting instead of bringing any form of credibility to your name. You don't even know how my blocking works, I can't do anything about it you dolt. Don't waste your 7 posts on useless replies. Go through the thread. If you find anyone who you role-blocked and they claimed performing an action that night, please do reveal that information since it is very useful is determining who is lying to the town. If you do not reply to this post via a quote, I will assume that you do not know who all you role-blocked. | ||
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On June 07 2011 02:17 sinani206 wrote: OK. ##Vote Torte de Lini We need to get rid of him to be able to use my ability. 'nuff said. Sinani, since you are here, can you post your exact role-claim since you never posted it before? I want to check something. | ||
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On June 06 2011 19:36 deconduo wrote: Pandain has entered the game. Can we know who he is replacing? Or was that meant to be a mod troll post? | ||
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On June 07 2011 02:24 Kurumi wrote: Do You have that freaking post restriction or not? You were USELESS,contributed nothing and did not ask to get removed by town,when knowing Your role is amazingly anti-town. You're scum. LMAO!! I find it hilarious that a self-proclaimed SK who has killed two townies is still posting analysis like a townie and calling people anti-town. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:40 Palmar wrote: My vote is sticking to Bumatlarge, as he claimed SK, and is thus confirmed anti-town. Kurumi did the same thing, but I think it's more likely Bumatlarge is actually mafia than Kurumi being mafia. In any cause, GMarshals sacrifice should default to Kurumi this night, so hopefully we'll be rid of both. I will, until further notice, retire my gun for tonight. I won't be shooting again unless I have a really good reason to. It seems rather convenient that you retire your gun since you are unable to get 4 fist-pounds. | ||
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Palmar -> 0/2 hits on scum, -> 2/2 hits on DT -> Un-needed RPing on day1 to confuse/derail town about posting restrictions -> Fake role-claim either on D1 or D3 -> Most likely fake kill claim on Chaos13 as well (I believe Kurumi's claim because he claimed instantly after the Day post) -> His current role-claim of being an unlimited night-hit vigi + veteran seems so imba compared to other roles that he is near obviously fake claiming. (Other roles for comparison: BC - random target medic, Wiggles - 1 time bulletproof + 2 bullets, Torte - random target RB, Node - KP who dies if he doesn't shoot scum by 3rd night, Sandroba - role framer, Desk - random KP kill lynch/reveal killer, prplz - 1 time redirect & 1 time lynch proof, Jackal - mason who posting restriction, Amber - doggie with post restriction, Kurumi - loses his role KP block after one time save, Kita - Vote redirect, and so on) -> Deliberately did not follow town instructions of hitting Bum or Kurumi and going after Chaos13. -> It was painfully obvious that Chaos13 was DT and Mataza pretty much pointed it out for everyone. Despite it, he claimed to have not read the thread. (This from a person who quotes Mataza's every second post and calls him scum). -> Day1 vote - does not care who among tnkted, VisceraEyes, Varpulis dies and switches his votes around. On Day1, I doubt any townie is so confident about 3 scum targets (two of which were playing town). It seems like he wants to gets townie lynched. -> Due to someone's awesome role, I am quite confident that there is most likely one scum in the VisceraEyes vote-list. And no, I will not reveal how I got that information. If this much anti-town play is not scummy, I don't know what more can be scummy. ----- Also, when Palmar flips scum, he confirms at-least one more scum and potentially two more scum based on my analysis. In the rather unlikely event that he flips town, it confirms 2-3 people as town to me. The people in suspicion are redFF and Sinani but I won't make my case against them till Palmar is dead since most of the town is posting on a need-to-know basis and I will do the same. | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:20 bumatlarge wrote: Wish you'd strap a bomb to me. I wish he would have | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:54 stefftastiq wrote: @GMarshal Im voting for bum because i saw his his role(joker) WITH NAME (bumatlarge) get spoiled, before it got removed, when he killed sinani? that night - joker etc - thats my main reason - if there are very good reasons that someone else SURELY is scum - i have no problems switching tho, but bum is scum fo sho. Wtf does this post? When did Bum kill Sinani? Did I step through a time machine or did you return from the future? | ||
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For example, I am currently trying to figure out why was Desk targeted on N1: Scum would kill desk for following possible reasons: 1. He crumbed that he created a scum's role. 2. He made some rather strong analysis which was on right track for 1 or 2 scum. 3. He was a rather strong player. 4. His role was created by a scum and was potentially strong. 5. His death and subsequent town flip would cause confusion in the town. Based on my current analysis, #4 is out of the way since Mr. Wiggles was caught by his role. #3 is unlikely since he has never played here before and no one knows him. There was no #5 since he was never a strong lynch target was even under any real suspicion. Pretty much that leaves #1 and #2 which I am currently looking into. I would recommend other people to also look up as to why would scum target and focus Node and Desk. I am sure there are other possible analysis the town can do instead of bickering all day as to who to shoot and who not to shoot. Once we know Mataza and the lynch target's (most likely Bum at this point) flip, we can go ahead from there deciding that in the night. | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:05 redFF wrote: Dont shoot kurumi shoot torte he is scum read my analysis on him and he is actually 100% scum. Kenpachi said I was town before he was replaced so I'd like to think kenpandain have some kind of detective role and are town aligned. Tnkted is w/e we can deal with him later. I would like to see your 100% scum case against Torte. The only argument you have against him was torte having RB'd and him posting little. Meapak confirmed that Torte did not have control over who he role-blocks and can post only 7 times a day. At this point, Torte is either a null read or slightly suspicious to me. I am not sure why you are 100% convinced on him being scum. | ||
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On June 07 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote: I'm not. and yes, I'm going to keep defending myself until I actually get lynched. I may have failed my role catastrophically, but I will try to leave as much information behind as I can, and that information comes from discussion. I'm glad the people give the mafia no credit at all this game, but it might be dangerous in the long run for this town. Do you think Bumatlarge, or whatever veteran player is on the mafia team told me to shoot the mole to gain town credit, and then promptly lose it all by killing Chaos13 and CLAIMING it? The mafia would know that their kill didn't go through. They know they didn't hit meapak, and they know they didn't hit kitaman. So now the advice I get from my oh so clever mafia team is "right, we have one kill that hasn't been claimed, we wasted our mole buying town credit for Palmar, so Palmar, go forth and claim it so we can instantly lose whatever credit you have". Trust me, if I was mafia my actions would be a lot more sensible than that. Give me one effing reason to trust you. Yeah, lets blindly trust a lying scumbag on blind faith especially after his latest lie was a secure a KP. I am dead-on confident that you are lying again. @rest of town I am seeing Torte being scum popping up over and over again and I yet fail to see a solid case against him (apart from him RB'ing GM since he doesn't have control on his abilities). Please enlighten me and convince me that he is sure-shot scum which multiple people are saying here. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:14 Palmar wrote: Well, That wasn't a lie, I'm not part of the mafia and the actions I took still don't make sense as mafia. Now read it again after I claimed  I will just say that I hope that the town is not dumb enough to believe your claim and let you live after you have lied once again. Bum might be scum but in that case he doesn't have KP. In case he is SK, he is likely to have lost his powers since he hasn't killed anyone yet. I would rather kill a confirmed anti-town like you than let a loose cannon-ball like you alive. I hope that the rest of the town are capable enough to see this. | ||
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In the light of new events, I highly recommend that we lynch Palmar. GM can induce bum in his circle and sacrifice him tonight. Kurumi is harmless for now since he has used up his bullets and might die from the redirected KP as well. It is more urgent to kill Palmar in the day since he has a confirmed KP and is now confirmed anti-town. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:35 Mataza wrote: Also Eternalmisfit, wtf  Palmar made a claim that guarantees him to die tonight. Only the mafia would save him now, so he wastes a lynch for town. Come one, think. He made a claim which can be fake and lets him live another night while he still has a KP at hand. If you want to see what someone with a confirmed KP and being 3rd-party can do, just look back at Kurumi's last night's action. Why do you believe he will the use the KP for the good of the town when he has been lying all through the game? | ||
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Sinani asks town to kill him Mig asks whether lynching Sinani would work (raises a ?) Sinani claims only a night kill will do so. Discussion goes on during the night on whether to kill him or nor. In Day, Mig suddenly claims that he had not read the role for sinani properly and didn't see that his role only worked at night (raised a ?). He later reveals the role. Sinani lurks since that point apart from fist-pounding Palmar and defending him. I hoped to make him slip-up by asking to reveal his role (and check the exact description between Sinani and Mig's claims) when he was on but he disappeared after my post and only replied after 7 hours. That pretty much covers entirety of Sinani's play apart from jumping on once a day crying ' Why didn't you kill me town?' ------------------------------------------------------------------ I am tired of trying to read the thread and doing analysis while it is near clear that no one cares to do. I will do my role-claim (great job making such a dumb role whoever it was) sometime later in the night. As to people still wondering whether Batman and Joker were inserted by the host in the game, I created the Batman role and I am 60-70% sure that Joker's role was created by Varpulis (at a certain point after decon got my role idea). Check the initial part of the thread where varp initially made a role which he said was boring and then later said that he has made a new role which is much more interesting. --------------------------------------- Also, if Palmar flips scum, I am quite sure redFF is scum. Why? He knew of 2 DTs in the game (Chaos13 and Varp) and both of them died in the first night after red knew. Read his fist-pound shenanigans at the start of the day 3 as well. He started with accusing Palmar and asking no one to fistpounds to Palmar. But instantly after Palmar claimed his new role, he made a u-turn and gave him a fist-pound. There are multiple inconsistencies in his posting but no one gives a damn since no one reads the thread. He mason's Rean in D3 after being totally against him on D2 and N2. Sinani is directly associated with Palmar also due to the fist-pounds which made absolute no sense considering there were given to a 'vigi' who had shot a DT so obviously outed the night before. Compound, Sinani's defense for Palmar (which was prolly his only contribution today), Sinani is most likely scum. If a townie had sinani's role where he was near immune to mafia hits and was green confirmed by town, he would probably do a lot analysis and make his role count. But, once Sinani was sure that we wont be lynched, he just lurked since then. Also, his roleblock claim and asking no one to shoot him much later during D3 seems suspicious since he would have seen and claimed that earlier. Mataza is also likely scum based on his D3 behavior. When the bomb was set to explode at 24 hr mark, he was hardcore attacking Palmar and trying to bus him. Just after the deadline was changed, his posting changed a lot and also he made a post he was regretting his actions he did assuming a 24 hr bomb. Again, no one noticed since no one gives a damn apart from deciding who to shoot on next day. He and hiro were the only ones who defended Mr. Wiggles as well. I am giving 70-30 odds of him flipping scum. Also, people missed Kurumi's 6 KP claim in N2. It is rather unlikely to be any assassins in the game since it would need atleast three assassins in the game to make it balanced for them. 3 KP (Palmar included) + 1 Kurumi + 1 GM + 1 Mafia + 1 Karshe - doesn't add up. Also, this assumes Bum has 0 KP and is lying about his powers and/or role. ----------------------- Also, I have yet to see a strong case against Torte apart from the weak suspicion based on the fact that he passively RB'd GM (which is outside his control and was confirmed by Meapak a confirmed townie). But, if you repeat someone is scum often enough, you have enough people on the bandwagon. ------------------------ And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here. Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target. Here's my case against him. And the rest of my suspect lists and analysis. Take it or leave it. I am not going to bother posting anymore till night-time. I know this a rather badly constructed post and I don't care since half the people wont bother to read it anyways. | ||
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On June 08 2011 03:13 redFF wrote: Hey lol i'm a mason i know shit because i can pm people derp. Maybe i don't want to out people to the thread. If you don't trust and see me as town yet then i dunno what to say. LMAO!!! | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:12 redFF wrote: read my analysis on him, also i'm a mason hi ^.^ Can you provide a link to me for this analysis that is not just based on the fact that he randomly role-blocks? I think this is the 1000th time I am asking that question from you. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:29 Mig wrote: Em what do you think about palmar not knowing what Varps role was before killing him? Or how about this last minute vote switch away from a confirmed non town? If you vote palmar now you should be confident that red is also scum, it is the only way that really makes sense to me. I made my case why I think Palmar is a better lynch than Bum in the post below and I don't feel like repeating it. Some text @redFF redFF's Analyis Is this your 100% scum analysis? I can't find anything else. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:39 Mig wrote: Hey great post EM completely ignore my points and just say you have made your case. Brilliant play. And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here. Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target. Obviously you didn't bother to read the post. | ||
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Also, if Palmar flips scum, I am quite sure redFF is scum. Why? He knew of 2 DTs in the game (Chaos13 and Varp) and both of them died in the first night after red knew. Read his fist-pound shenanigans at the start of the day 3 as well. He started with accusing Palmar and asking no one to fistpounds to Palmar. But instantly after Palmar claimed his new role, he made a u-turn and gave him a fist-pound. There are multiple inconsistencies in his posting but no one gives a damn since no one reads the thread. He mason's Rean in D3 after being totally against him on D2 and N2. | ||
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On June 08 2011 06:08 redFF wrote: Awesome Was wrong about Mataza I admit. EM=scum Bumatlarge=scum TDL=scum Because of that flip i guess i am town????? I don't know 6th scum member(assuming there are 6 of them) Actions(as we can win tommorow imo) KP-shoot into that list I understand that EM will be a toss up but look at his posts leading up to the Palmar lynch. Was it really worth it to out yourself to save Bumatlarge? So to recap. Kp shoot into this list: Bum Eternalmisfit Torte De Lini Gm sacrifice Kurumi Medics protect town players NOBODY ACTION DROPBEAR(unless u scum )Nice list. redFF = wrong about Mataza makes him town EM = wrong about Palmar makes him scum | ||
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On June 08 2011 06:14 redFF wrote: NO LOL You orchestrated a fucking voteswitch and haven't done anything useful all fucking game except from saving a mafia from a lynch and lynching town kp. Great job bro. I was attacking mataza for 3 days and provided reasoning and evidence to back up my claims. You are 100% scum and need to die asap. I listed why I thought Palmar was scum from start of Day3 since he was lying out of his ass (which he was) and was scummy and he had killed 2 DTs. If he was scum (which was quite likely), it would suicide to let him. I know he flipped town but play was largely scummy to me but if you think that vote makes me scummy, feel free to think so. | ||
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On June 08 2011 08:40 Jackal58 wrote: You have Tnkted listed as dead? When did he die? What was his role and alignment? Or was he replaced? He was mod-killed as town a little before the night post along with Kenpachi/Pandain | ||
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Other than that, if there is a vote checker (I hope I got this read right), do check either of the lists to check for mafia counts. Palmar's list is likely to have larger number of scum while Bum's list can confirm people more easily. Also, with Palmar flipping town and assuming I got the correct read, one of Barundar, hiro, and me came as scum in the vote list. Although I did day I will role claim tonight, I plan to wait till just before the day post to role-claim since I do not want to provide the information to scum team. | ||
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I have a medic-type role which has a restriction that causes my protection to not work sometimes. I won't go into the particulars as I don't want to reveal that restriction. I am not sure whether the person who created the role is still alive but he can confirm both of these facts if he is. As far as my actions are concerned, I protected Mr. Wiggles on N1 (town read on him before he was flipped at desk's death) and MeapakZiph on N2 (he could confirm/deny scum based on Torte's RB). I am surprised about the fact that he died despite my protection which leads to few possibilities: 1. DropBear's auto-kill on night visit trumps protection. 2. He was double stacked. 3. My restriction didn't allow protection. I am currently protecting someone who is consider mostly pro-town at this point. However, I won't reveal that information since some people have ability to make hits at last moment. As for my reads, my initial read on Palmar failed when he flipped town and did make a lot of my prior analysis useless but here's what I think: 1. The person who created my role is unlikely to be scum or I would have been targeted the previous nights. 2. Sinani and Mig are both town or both scum at this point as their role claims go hand-in-hand. However, this is a source of confusion as I am getting a townie read from Mig and Sinani's lurking suggest him to be scummy. 3. I think there is atleast one scum in the lurkers in game: them being hiro, steff, and Sinani. 4. We need to figure a way to find Amber's alignment since it is impossible to figure out based on his posting restriction. | ||
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Also, Rean is definitely not scum. He was hit and was protected last night. | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: Eternalmisfit, why the fuck did you think you would die and claimed??? Lets see what you said I'm medic. I have no information to reveal. Awesome job there bro really useful. Since you and a couple others were asking vigi-hits on me last night. Or should I dig up those post for you? | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:06 redFF wrote: Haha no don't trouble yourself scum, just outta interest who did you think would shoot you? GM can sacrifice by including in circle. And we are still missing multiple role-claims buddy. | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:12 Kurumi wrote: Rean is medium,he gets random action revealed to him. Steff claimed that role as far as I remember. | ||
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Buddy, I think you are scum. Nothing more and nothing less. So, I won't bother revealing my full role to someone who I consider scummy. From my current PM communication with redFF. If the person who made my role wants to reveal my full role, he can do so but I don't feel the need to let scum know of what that restriction is. | ||
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bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist Day2 vote: 2/10 are scum VisceraEyes Eternalmisfit Barundar hiro protagonist Kurumi Day1 vote: 1/4 are scum Day 2 non-Palmar voters bumatlarge Mig stefftastiq Rean Torte de Lini DropBear Torte De Lini Barundar stefftastiq Rean redFF At-least 2/7 are scum (since before D1 lynch we were at 4-8 mafia left so we have at-least 4 mafia) | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:43 Kurumi wrote: Me,because I redirected his hit last night and he was bond to auto-use his sacrifice on me again. I obviously wont take your information of face value but despite that I was ask since you claimed hitting sinani, which of Sandroba and kitaman claims were fake? | ||
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On June 09 2011 06:49 Rean wrote: Eternalmisfit, drop the "i think you're scum" attitude against redFF. He's town, you can take my word for that. He's going to end up knowing your full role either way so be co-operative. I am not going to go around accusing as scum but at the same time I am still suspicious of him enough to not reveal any information to him since I don't want the scum to able to cause my restriction to kick in. By the time he will get the role info, it will probably be too late for scum to use that information so it's a safe way to go around doing that. As I said, if the person who made my role is alive and thinks it is a good deal for town to reveal that info, he surely can. | ||
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Btw, redFF you are missing hiro on Palmar's list so you will have to re-do the analysis. | ||
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If Torte flips scum, GM is likely to be not scum. If GM flips town, than the flip information of the role should allow us go gain insight in GM's alignment. | ||
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If the bomb takes priority, does the #2 voted on the lynch vote die? If the lynch takes priority, is the bomb refunded? | ||
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On June 09 2011 09:19 redFF wrote: LOL WE ARE NOT LYNCHING BUMATLARGE JESUS CHRIST. AND IF WE DO NOT LYNCH TDL THEN THERE IS STILL A SCUM ROLEBLOCKER IN THE GAME AND NONE OF OUR SHOTS ARE GUARANTEED TO GO THROUGH. goddamnit start thinking. I just wanted an answer on that as to what happens in case of a conflict. But if everyone is up for lynching TDL, I am not against it since at the very least, it will provide us a lot of information and in the best case, it will provide information + scum death. | ||
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On June 10 2011 09:57 Jackal58 wrote: But only if the unkillable SK dodges the sacrificial knife of an insane priest and shoots our lord and savior the village idiot with a 3rd bullet he doesn't have during a full moon on the second Tuesday of the third week in the month of Herptober during Derpfest. Amidoinitrite Gman? Though you missed the self-destructive zombie and barking doggie, it is still a good representation of how crazy and stupid the game is at this point. @decon I don't mind an earlier night post. | ||
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GM was role-blocked by Torte - this makes him unlikely to be scum. Hiro - being shot at tonight - flip will reveal alignment. Karshe - unlikely to be scum since he killed bum (might be a bus though) Cthsasza - he made desk's role which makes it less likely to be scum. Hiro's flip reveals Barundar's alignment. In case, hiro flips scum, everyone left on Palmar List is town. I think a DT-check on Jackal is the best course of action. (if you can only align-check tonight) If you have a vote check, check the bumatlarge votelist for Day3. Combining that with Palmar's list should reveal total number of scum (since Barun's alignment will be known tonight after hiro's flip) and also reveal other likely scum since bum's list is much smaller. | ||
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So, in that case, an alignment check on steff isn't a bad idea either. DropBear is a bad idea since he has claimed that night actions on him kill on reaction. I have a town read on Mig at the moment while steff has been lurking for the most. I would suggest an alignment check on either Jackal or steff tonight. | ||
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Thanks for setting up the game decon and BB. I have to say I am not a fan of % based action roles as it introduces a larger amount of luck factor. When I protected Rean on N3 and N4, I was so scared that I might kill him by chance due to the % factor and screw the game for town. | ||
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On June 19 2011 20:00 deconduo wrote: Any suggestions for PTP2? I think that list checking roles are just too powerful based on PTP and PYPI. This could have been handled in a couple of ways: 1. Make lists check return # of town instead of # of mafia. This would give the DT mafia + 3rd party in list which makes it harder to determine the scum exactly. 2. Reduce/Restrict number of list-checks. I also think that if we had 3 assassins instead of 1 SK as Jackal was fake-claiming, the game would have been much closer for the mafia. 2 third party seemed quite low to me. Finally, posting restrictions are fine and dandy but it becomes kind of annoying if too many people have those or these restrictions are too strong. It was impossible to determine Amber's alignment sans DT check and Torte might have been caught faster if not for him being restricted by 7 posts. Well, that is all as far as my suggestions are concerned and since I am not the most experienced, someone of these might not be good too. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No list checks, incorporate pick their penalty, and shoot whoever gave me my role. Most wtf batman role I have ever seen. ALthough I didn't live to use my role into a night phase, the single best aspect of it was the rival condition bum had to meet if I died making me essentially unkillable via mafia. -_- Batman You are Batman. You are the hero (insert city name here) deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire. Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment. The Joker does not want to kill as you are too much fun. Thus, you are immune to kills from the regular mafia KP. Notes: 1. Batman’s protection ability does not work on himself if he is the first person targeted by the kill ability. 2. The ‘bulletproof’ ability only works on regular mafia KP. It does not work on role-KP of other mafia members (since all mob members do not agree with Joker). Also, town KP (vigi-hits) can kill Batman. This was the original role I made (I did not know there was Joker in the game.. it was just added for fluff in text). Decon removed the mafia KP immune part and added the Joker link (retirement etc) later on w/o informing me. I made a role which could be used both as town and scum as the KP protect could have been used wisely by scum as well to save from vigi-hits. On that note, it would be nice to know who made the roles for whom. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
My strategy, as a medic, in this game was to keep a slightly low profile on the early game so as to not draw attention as a mafia target. Thus, a kept a slightly lower activity compared to my previous games during first two days. D1-D3: I was suspicious of Palmar due to his vigi hits and also due to bro-fist posting (I was able to figure out that his restriction was a false claim by going through his posting on D1 and N1 where no such restriction was visible by going through all his posts). My other suspicions were Sinani (after he was near confirmed town on N1, he just disappeared from the game which I did not think was townie behavior), redFF (was finger-pointing all the way on everyone), and Barundar (was suspicious because he said that he thought my play on D1 & N1 was good while I knew that I was not doing much analysis so as to not draw scum focus. This was a more weaker suspicion that I discarded/forgot about once Palmar shot chaos) D4: The roleclaim was a gamble as I was under town suspicion for focusing on the Palmar lynch the night before and I thought it would be a good idea to confirm two townies (myself and Rean) by claiming medic and informing that I protected Rean. I thought it would also help since I was in two vote lists myself. However, it also meant that I was definitely going to die that night. I am not sure whether a medic claim that day was a good idea or not though. On the role power front, I decided on the following protects: 1. Mr. Wiggles on N1. This was more of a crap-shoot since I was not too sure who was town on N1. My original plan was to protect BC (since I made his role and knew he was sort of a medic who will save someone) but after BC died I just went for a vet who was giving me town vibes. 2. Meapak on N2. I believe he painted himself as a scum target by his Torte role reveal and regardless of Torte's alignment, he was going to be a target. Unfortunately, the 25% fail protect kicked in. 3. Rean on N3. redFF gave away him away as a DT in this post on D3. Since I was suspicious of red and and I was confident that Rean was a vote-checker, I went for protecting him. Apart from the above, I think the poor town showing also somewhat stemmed from the fact that mostly newer players were left on the town-side past the initial couple of days. BC died on D1. Node died N1. Meapak died N2. Kita died N2. GM was a mole. Kenpachi left N2/early D3. tnkted left N2. Amber had a posting restriction. Jackal ended up being a SK. Starting Day3, there were hardly any vet players left on town side and it was mostly relatively newer players being led around in a circle by the scum. I think the scum did a great job at taking out the vets and then leading around the rest of town in circles which is now obvious seeing how long Bum remained alive. | ||
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