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Mataza
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Since Amber is *grrrrrr..* -ing at me, I must have write something wrong or scummy. I guess it´s about my position on Bum is similar to Wiggles position on Bum. If it´s that, I stand by that. Bum is experienced and it´s quite possible that he is indeed scum. I don´t know if Wiggles would bus part of his team, but I am ready to assume that. Nobody confirmed his role description yet. If you ask me Scumatlarge is Bum. If that position makes me scum in your eyes, so be it. | ||
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Mataza
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Also what difference is there really between lynching SK or Scum? To me, there is none, since we need to eviscerate both. What I fear is that Bum´s roleclaim is fake(since nobody confirmed creating his role) and that his actual role is much more powerful. And since we appear to not have aimable roleblock, I still fear what his role might do. The reason why Scum are supposed to be priority lynch candidates is because of collaboration. I don´t know about you, but I don´t think that collaboration with Mr.Wiggles gives you superpowers. Being the Nemesis of Batman however sounds likelier. | ||
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Mataza
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Varpulis issue: I´ve said this quite a few times already, but you don´t seem to be satisfied ever. I said Varpulis was erratic since before the game. This was an observation, no judgment. Also what you didn´t catch onto was that I called Cthsazsa suspect because of shortness of posts and said chaos13 looks legit. Then later on the list you quoted also, I say chaos13 is suspect and I don´t mention Cthaszsa. On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. On June 01 2011 08:17 Mataza wrote: Since its directed at me: 1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content. 2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler. 3) This is not a dating show 4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too. You just picked something to make a case from it. If you call it a defense when I call someone erratic, then I defend redff hardcore all the time you ever . Palmar and conditional voting: I said that Palmar in one specific game was conditional voting and in this game too. Of course it is also considered a scumtell. It´s no 100% sure scumtell however, because how would you explain voteswitching then? Most people don´t say under what circumstances they switch vote. What I meant, when I said that: PTP Mafia On June 02 2011 05:47 Palmar wrote: And SNMM2Find me two votes on VisEyes and I'm coming right back. I just don't want sandroba or tack hanging, VisEyes and tnkted are good for me. On May 18 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote: (...) Actually, here's a promise for you, if everyone comes into the thread, contributes and makes good analysis of the situation, I will switch my vote to GiygaS and help you get him lynched. You actually made me go there find this rather small piece of evidence. In my case against you, I was baffled by the content of the list itself and the fact that Amber wasn´t there for about 12 hours or so to write anything. My assumption was that maybe your role stops the targeted person(Amber) to talk for the rest of the day. Also your defense to that accusation was that your memory of the last 3 hours is hazy. On June 01 2011 08:48 redFF wrote: I still think this is a ridiculous defense, but I accept it, because I think you are just that type of person. Also Amber came back.sigh..Do i really have to explain this to you. My memory is foggy and i really can't be bothered to convert korean times to eastern but ill try to explain. Last night I pm'd amber with a list of players and asked him to quote the list and wiggle his tail for town and grr for scum. He then quoted a post by gm about zodiac lists, bolded the zodiac list part and then bolded a bunch of player lists. I checked my pm's early this morning before I went out and saw what he did. I got home at like 4:30 today and went on irc, so i've been on irc for about 3 and a half hours...(its 8 now) I pm'd amber for confirmation that he wanted me to post his zodiac list and he wiggled his tail, so i did...Please stop lol. I already stated these reasons at least once, but you asked for the long version. Lynching Bum over Wiggles: As I´ve stated before I fear Bum. As you all should be aware but at least a couple or so aren´t: We know Jackshit about what roles are in the game. For all we know Sinani could in reality be an "NRA member" role. Fact however is, the creator of his role confirmed that his role is what he states. Read again and think about what that means. I´m not explaining everything in detail. Now, at the begin of day2 we knew that Kurumi and Bum claim SK, and that there is a check revealing Wiggles as scum in the daypost. I hope you don´t need quotes for these. Now we have 2 SK´s claiming to be roleblocked, and 1 SK says he could still shoot(Kurumi), the other claims he couldn´t(Bum). The fact is that these 2 SKs revealed themselves voluntarily. Why would you do that?
Then these people have claimed their roles too. Wiggles claimed Jules Winnfield and his claim was confirmed by, I think it was Hiro Protagonist. Kurumi´s and Bum´s roles weren´t confirmed however. Bum claimed out a role which included killpower and some sort of protection from bullets, about which he doesn´t know the details. Now putting all of this together in the right order we get this:
Now just looking at these few facts we can deduce that: Bum is either Scum or SK, Kurumi is SK who gave up the game and Wiggles is Scum unless a frickin catastrophe happened at night. Since we know Jackshit about the roles in this game(we don´t even know half the roles that are in game, maybe less than a quarter of all living roles, I am quite ready to believe that there is a chance for miracles to happen. Like 1 person roleblocking half the town. Now if you had to choose, would you choose to play against: Bumatlarge as Scum with a not confirmed role Mr.Wiggles with a confirmed role I chose Mr.Wiggles. To me, both are scum, but I know that Wiggles isn´t a mad hatter who kills half the town if he is shot at night. Bum on the other hand might as well have this as part of his role. Tidbits: Of the 4 candidates for day1 lynch, everyone was innocent. No one was actually scum. Of course Tnkted wasn´t checked yet, as he wasn´t visited night 1. So yeah, of all the people who were so obvious scum day1 the one guy I voted lives and is unconfirmed. Clearly, I should have voted someone else. The claim plan was based around the fact that the role creator could claim what he created. That doesn´t tell anyone who has which role. I also added "The less specific such a claim, the better" but this of course wasn´t scummy, so you just didn´t mention it. Because I didn´t want to write half a book, I said you should PM me all this stuff. Don´t you think this is cluttering up the thread? tl;dr Go back and read. Short version was my last 50 or so posts. | ||
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Mataza
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Let´s say we have a town with 26 people in it, A through Z. Everyone of these people made a role for another one, all unlike. However as the game is mafia, there are about 4 or 5 categories of possible mechanics: Heal, Check, Kill, Frame and Manipulation. Now according to my plan people who made a role with Killing, Frame or Manipulation part claim that they gave someone else such a role. A, H, L, N, D and O made a role with a killing part. D, E, I, J, N, S, G, O and P made a role with a Frame part. K, W, Q and C made a role with a Manipulation part. Now tell me: Who has which kind of role? (Hint: You have no way of finding out since you don´t know who created a role for who) | ||
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Mataza
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Obviously he assumed my plan was that everyone claims his own role. After explaining it with difficult words once or twice already, I was just dumbing it down into a model. I just said I would draw it as a figure of speech. In german "drawing something for someone" means that the person you talk with is either unable or unwilling to understand what you say. In short I was saying he is either ignorant or dumb. Pictures outside of the picture thread are afaik forbidden in TL. Didn´t know that it was different in TL Mafia. | ||
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It was quite explicit that all PMs should have gone to BB and Decon. | ||
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Unfair. I want to live and stuff. | ||
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 Can´t help it though  Time to make my time count  | ||
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Mataza
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 Townplay consists of lynching people, not shooting semirandomly at night.  After Kurumi and Bum are taken care of, I´ve got a new proposal for you, though. >  Kill everyone who has killing power.  | ||
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Mataza
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Right now I assume that all the people having killpower are either outright Scum or very good at killing Townies.   If we go on without criticiszing the people with guns,  we will definitely lose this.  All good behavior aside, those  morons killed half the town already.If they are not morons, then they do it on purpose, and are therefore  scum. | ||
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Mataza
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Reasons. | ||
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Mataza
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He is a known killpower role and uses flimsy reasoning to kill someone he ever accused before. I´ve got enough of this random shooting.  Whoever shoots someone on gut feeling should be shot by someone else. Before people started shooting, we were winning :thumbs Now after all the shooting, we are losing  Anyone who thinks killpower roles are going to save us this game are stupid If you really must shoot, try shooting the people who claim to be invulnerable like Tnkted or Bum.  If they die, they lied. If they don´t die, they are telling the truth. It´s win - win  Do you really want to keep all this killpower around? We went from 33 people down to 25 in one night.  I will die halfway into this day so we are at 20 people left. And we have exactly 1 hit yet, Wiggles. 1 Hit in 13 dead people is awful. It´s beyond awful And that even though we know 2 other targets that are guaranteed to not be green: Kurumi and Bum Do you really want to not tell if you made a killpower role? The next one lying dead might be *you*.  | ||
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Mataza
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If I knew other people with killroles that aren´t confirmed anti town already, I would call them scum too.  My gripe is that these people that are bad are actually doing a great deal of losing for us. | ||
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Mataza
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Palmar bussed his only remaining teammate in SNMM2 without any provocation. I wouldn´t say it´s beyond him to sell out his team | ||
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And theres still 4 pages to read till I´m up to date First of all, Palmar lied and probably now tries to trick us into giving him kp powers again. Second redff is most probably townie according to my read, but being innocent doesn´t make him right.  My read the last 2 day tells me he has no clue about what´s going on in this game.  Coming back soon, when I caught up with the thread. | ||
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Mataza
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On June 06 2011 10:51 Palmar wrote: I don't know. Killing someone that has a 1/1 record of killing mafia/town just seems a bit unwise to me. If I shoot more townies, by all means, lynch me. This is a crap argument. We have probably around 8 or so killpower floating around this game, maybe more, maybe less. Imagine 8 guys with guns were going around at night with that attitude. This is happening right now and Town dies because of it. Yes, you got the lucky shot and won the molekilling lottery, but that´s nothing more than that, dumb luck. Redff, I know you are trying hard. You didn´t react to my explanation yet which you so much requested. If that didn´t convince you, how about my flip in abvout 12 hours? I´m gonna reveal while I´m still alive: I am the Stalker. I can go to a player's house during the night and watch who visits them. I can see what is done to them, but not who did it. I am basically the same thing chaos13 was, only that I can only see actions and not people. I don´t get how other people think their roles are crap when I´m the guy who can confirm that the person dropping dead in the nightbreak was indeed killed. Even worse, I watched tankted night 1. Nobody did investigate him. I watched Bum night 2. Nobody even attempted to kill him. Out of these little facts I can deduce the following: We probably don´t have a straightup alignment checker or those guys are idiots. And secondly, we probably don´t have a townsided kp or those who are townsided are idiots. I hoped that Bum would have a mafia doc on him to pretend he was unkillable. Also guess why claiming who you made what role for was forbidden day1? Probably because if you do it right it would lead to town victory. That´s my guess.  I we get a list of who TdL blocked night 1, we get basically a list of possible killpower. We need to put a stop to semi random shooting. We should be playing "Mafia", what we are playing is "Morons with Guns" | ||
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Mataza
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 , Jackal and Bum  It´s the awesome mass smilie role Though we don´t have it as bad as Amber. Amber is practically unable to communicate at all. | ||
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Mataza
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This is right and that makes me very suspicious of you.  | ||
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Awesome  | ||
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And I checked, Kitaman was indeed supposed to be part of this. And even if thats adds up, I have no intent of telling you how you can shut down the circle permanently.  | ||
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