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On June 07 2011 01:20 DropBear wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I haven't been around. I am having severe internet issues as our download cap got reached and it's taking me forever to load a page. I even have to use Internet Explorer, bleh.
Meapak has died because of me. I asked people not to medic protect or dt check me. I should have said night actions of any kind -_- him using a night action on me activated my passive ability and killed him.
Anyone claiming to have shot him is lying.
I will be back at uni tomorrow where I have full internet access again and will get caught up and post my thoughts.
DropBear's claim makes a lot of sense based on the information I have.
Either Kurumi or Palmar are lying on their KP claims since mafia should have killed one of those with their KP.
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On June 07 2011 02:10 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:07 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 02:01 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 07 2011 01:38 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 01:34 bumatlarge wrote:OH OF COURSE KURUMI. XD Something seems off so it must be bum who is doing extra things. Perhaps you should rethink your facts you + Show Spoiler + Just letting You know,as confirmed SK I don't need to contribute anymore,but You need some town cred,Mafia Godfather? Before trying to convince people You're on the "good" side do something to back it up. Why would you say this? Not contributing just makes me not care whether you're lynched, killed or something happens to you. Why don't we just off you now and rid ourselves from your endangerments? Is Amber or Rean here? I never found out their roles if they role-claimed ;x Another useless lurker who is scum. You did not contribute too and You're mass mafia roleblocker,get out. Good job deflecting instead of bringing any form of credibility to your name. You don't even know how my blocking works, I can't do anything about it you dolt.
Don't waste your 7 posts on useless replies. Go through the thread. If you find anyone who you role-blocked and they claimed performing an action that night, please do reveal that information since it is very useful is determining who is lying to the town.
If you do not reply to this post via a quote, I will assume that you do not know who all you role-blocked.
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On June 07 2011 02:17 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 01:25 Kurumi wrote:On June 07 2011 01:24 sinani206 wrote:
Just letting everyone know that I was role-blocked last night. I propose not to kill me until we can find who the roleblocker was and kill him. TDL is the roleblocker and now confirmed Scum. OK. ##Vote Torte de LiniWe need to get rid of him to be able to use my ability. 'nuff said.
Sinani, since you are here, can you post your exact role-claim since you never posted it before? I want to check something.
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On June 06 2011 19:36 deconduo wrote:
Pandain has entered the game.
Can we know who he is replacing? Or was that meant to be a mod troll post?
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On June 07 2011 02:24 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
How am I confirmed scum? Because people are getting role-blocked by a passive ability I can't control?
Or because you guys are mindless followers to the hothead pimple named RedFF who conveniently can "tell" who's who by an unnamed source who we are lead to believe and accept without objection or question.
It's like the fucking Renaissance all over again lolololol Do You have that freaking post restriction or not? You were USELESS,contributed nothing and did not ask to get removed by town,when knowing Your role is amazingly anti-town. You're scum.
LMAO!! I find it hilarious that a self-proclaimed SK who has killed two townies is still posting analysis like a townie and calling people anti-town.
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On June 07 2011 03:40 Palmar wrote:
My vote is sticking to Bumatlarge, as he claimed SK, and is thus confirmed anti-town. Kurumi did the same thing, but I think it's more likely Bumatlarge is actually mafia than Kurumi being mafia. In any cause, GMarshals sacrifice should default to Kurumi this night, so hopefully we'll be rid of both.
I will, until further notice, retire my gun for tonight. I won't be shooting again unless I have a really good reason to.
It seems rather convenient that you retire your gun since you are unable to get 4 fist-pounds.
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In any case, here is the synopsis of my claim against Palmar.
Palmar
-> 0/2 hits on scum,
-> 2/2 hits on DT
-> Un-needed RPing on day1 to confuse/derail town about posting restrictions
-> Fake role-claim either on D1 or D3
-> Most likely fake kill claim on Chaos13 as well (I believe Kurumi's claim because he claimed instantly after the Day post)
-> His current role-claim of being an unlimited night-hit vigi + veteran seems so imba compared to other roles that he is near obviously fake claiming.
(Other roles for comparison: BC - random target medic, Wiggles - 1 time bulletproof + 2 bullets, Torte - random target RB, Node - KP who dies if he doesn't shoot scum by 3rd night, Sandroba - role framer, Desk - random KP kill lynch/reveal killer, prplz - 1 time redirect & 1 time lynch proof, Jackal - mason who posting restriction, Amber - doggie with post restriction, Kurumi - loses his role KP block after one time save, Kita - Vote redirect, and so on)
-> Deliberately did not follow town instructions of hitting Bum or Kurumi and going after Chaos13.
-> It was painfully obvious that Chaos13 was DT and Mataza pretty much pointed it out for everyone. Despite it, he claimed to have not read the thread. (This from a person who quotes Mataza's every second post and calls him scum).
-> Day1 vote - does not care who among tnkted, VisceraEyes, Varpulis dies and switches his votes around. On Day1, I doubt any townie is so confident about 3 scum targets (two of which were playing town). It seems like he wants to gets townie lynched.
-> Due to someone's awesome role, I am quite confident that there is most likely one scum in the VisceraEyes vote-list. And no, I will not reveal how I got that information.
If this much anti-town play is not scummy, I don't know what more can be scummy.
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Also, when Palmar flips scum, he confirms at-least one more scum and potentially two more scum based on my analysis. In the rather unlikely event that he flips town, it confirms 2-3 people as town to me. The people in suspicion are redFF and Sinani but I won't make my case against them till Palmar is dead since most of the town is posting on a need-to-know basis and I will do the same.
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On June 07 2011 07:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Wish you'd strap a bomb to me.
I wish he would have 
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On June 07 2011 05:54 stefftastiq wrote:
@GMarshal
Im voting for bum because i saw his his role(joker) WITH NAME (bumatlarge) get spoiled, before it got removed, when he killed sinani? that night - joker etc - thats my main reason - if there are very good reasons that someone else SURELY is scum - i have no problems switching tho, but bum is scum fo sho.
Wtf does this post? When did Bum kill Sinani? Did I step through a time machine or did you return from the future?
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I think the town is getting too involved who to shoot who not to shoot. We can discuss that during the night. Instead, we need to hunt for scum in the day. I think we need more people to analyze the events that have happened and potential reasons behind them.
For example, I am currently trying to figure out why was Desk targeted on N1:
Scum would kill desk for following possible reasons:
1. He crumbed that he created a scum's role.
2. He made some rather strong analysis which was on right track for 1 or 2 scum.
3. He was a rather strong player.
4. His role was created by a scum and was potentially strong.
5. His death and subsequent town flip would cause confusion in the town.
Based on my current analysis, #4 is out of the way since Mr. Wiggles was caught by his role. #3 is unlikely since he has never played here before and no one knows him. There was no #5 since he was never a strong lynch target was even under any real suspicion.
Pretty much that leaves #1 and #2 which I am currently looking into. I would recommend other people to also look up as to why would scum target and focus Node and Desk.
I am sure there are other possible analysis the town can do instead of bickering all day as to who to shoot and who not to shoot. Once we know Mataza and the lynch target's (most likely Bum at this point) flip, we can go ahead from there deciding that in the night.
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On June 07 2011 09:05 redFF wrote:
Dont shoot kurumi shoot torte he is scum read my analysis on him and he is actually 100% scum. Kenpachi said I was town before he was replaced so I'd like to think kenpandain have some kind of detective role and are town aligned. Tnkted is w/e we can deal with him later.
I would like to see your 100% scum case against Torte. The only argument you have against him was torte having RB'd and him posting little. Meapak confirmed that Torte did not have control over who he role-blocks and can post only 7 times a day. At this point, Torte is either a null read or slightly suspicious to me. I am not sure why you are 100% convinced on him being scum.
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On June 07 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:I'm not. and yes, I'm going to keep defending myself until I actually get lynched. I may have failed my role catastrophically, but I will try to leave as much information behind as I can, and that information comes from discussion. I'm glad the people give the mafia no credit at all this game, but it might be dangerous in the long run for this town. Do you think Bumatlarge, or whatever veteran player is on the mafia team told me to shoot the mole to gain town credit, and then promptly lose it all by killing Chaos13 and CLAIMING it? The mafia would know that their kill didn't go through. They know they didn't hit meapak, and they know they didn't hit kitaman. So now the advice I get from my oh so clever mafia team is "right, we have one kill that hasn't been claimed, we wasted our mole buying town credit for Palmar, so Palmar, go forth and claim it so we can instantly lose whatever credit you have".
Trust me, if I was mafia my actions would be a lot more sensible than that.
Give me one effing reason to trust you. Yeah, lets blindly trust a lying scumbag on blind faith especially after his latest lie was a secure a KP. I am dead-on confident that you are lying again.
@rest of town
I am seeing Torte being scum popping up over and over again and I yet fail to see a solid case against him (apart from him RB'ing GM since he doesn't have control on his abilities). Please enlighten me and convince me that he is sure-shot scum which multiple people are saying here.
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On June 07 2011 20:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 20:13 Eternalmisfit wrote:On June 07 2011 19:06 Palmar wrote:I'm not. and yes, I'm going to keep defending myself until I actually get lynched. I may have failed my role catastrophically, but I will try to leave as much information behind as I can, and that information comes from discussion. I'm glad the people give the mafia no credit at all this game, but it might be dangerous in the long run for this town. Do you think Bumatlarge, or whatever veteran player is on the mafia team told me to shoot the mole to gain town credit, and then promptly lose it all by killing Chaos13 and CLAIMING it? The mafia would know that their kill didn't go through. They know they didn't hit meapak, and they know they didn't hit kitaman. So now the advice I get from my oh so clever mafia team is "right, we have one kill that hasn't been claimed, we wasted our mole buying town credit for Palmar, so Palmar, go forth and claim it so we can instantly lose whatever credit you have".
Trust me, if I was mafia my actions would be a lot more sensible than that. Give me one effing reason to trust you. Yeah, lets blindly trust a lying scumbag on blind faith especially after his latest lie was a secure a KP. I am dead-on confident that you are lying again. @rest of townI am seeing Torte being scum popping up over and over again and I yet fail to see a solid case against him (apart from him RB'ing GM since he doesn't have control on his abilities). Please enlighten me and convince me that he is sure-shot scum which multiple people are saying here. Well, That wasn't a lie, I'm not part of the mafia and the actions I took still don't make sense as mafia. Now read it again after I claimed 
I will just say that I hope that the town is not dumb enough to believe your claim and let you live after you have lied once again.
Bum might be scum but in that case he doesn't have KP. In case he is SK, he is likely to have lost his powers since he hasn't killed anyone yet. I would rather kill a confirmed anti-town like you than let a loose cannon-ball like you alive. I hope that the rest of the town are capable enough to see this.
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Also, just because Palmar claimed 3rd party doesn't make him one either. For all I know,he might still be scum. And one who is confirmed killing two townies and definitely has a KP tonight.
In the light of new events, I highly recommend that we lynch Palmar. GM can induce bum in his circle and sacrifice him tonight. Kurumi is harmless for now since he has used up his bullets and might die from the redirected KP as well.
It is more urgent to kill Palmar in the day since he has a confirmed KP and is now confirmed anti-town.
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On June 07 2011 20:35 Mataza wrote:Also Eternalmisfit, wtf  Palmar made a claim that guarantees him to die tonight. Only the mafia would save him now, so he wastes a lynch for town. Come one, think.
He made a claim which can be fake and lets him live another night while he still has a KP at hand. If you want to see what someone with a confirmed KP and being 3rd-party can do, just look back at Kurumi's last night's action. Why do you believe he will the use the KP for the good of the town when he has been lying all through the game?
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I hope people would read the thread. The sequence of events regarding sinani (check pages 62-75) for details
Sinani asks town to kill him
Mig asks whether lynching Sinani would work (raises a ?)
Sinani claims only a night kill will do so.
Discussion goes on during the night on whether to kill him or nor.
In Day, Mig suddenly claims that he had not read the role for sinani properly and didn't see that his role only worked at night (raised a ?). He later reveals the role.
Sinani lurks since that point apart from fist-pounding Palmar and defending him. I hoped to make him slip-up by asking to reveal his role (and check the exact description between Sinani and Mig's claims) when he was on but he disappeared after my post and only replied after 7 hours.
That pretty much covers entirety of Sinani's play apart from jumping on once a day crying ' Why didn't you kill me town?'
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I am tired of trying to read the thread and doing analysis while it is near clear that no one cares to do. I will do my role-claim (great job making such a dumb role whoever it was) sometime later in the night.
As to people still wondering whether Batman and Joker were inserted by the host in the game, I created the Batman role and I am 60-70% sure that Joker's role was created by Varpulis (at a certain point after decon got my role idea). Check the initial part of the thread where varp initially made a role which he said was boring and then later said that he has made a new role which is much more interesting.
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Also, if Palmar flips scum, I am quite sure redFF is scum. Why? He knew of 2 DTs in the game (Chaos13 and Varp) and both of them died in the first night after red knew. Read his fist-pound shenanigans at the start of the day 3 as well. He started with accusing Palmar and asking no one to fistpounds to Palmar. But instantly after Palmar claimed his new role, he made a u-turn and gave him a fist-pound. There are multiple inconsistencies in his posting but no one gives a damn since no one reads the thread. He mason's Rean in D3 after being totally against him on D2 and N2.
Sinani is directly associated with Palmar also due to the fist-pounds which made absolute no sense considering there were given to a 'vigi' who had shot a DT so obviously outed the night before. Compound, Sinani's defense for Palmar (which was prolly his only contribution today), Sinani is most likely scum. If a townie had sinani's role where he was near immune to mafia hits and was green confirmed by town, he would probably do a lot analysis and make his role count. But, once Sinani was sure that we wont be lynched, he just lurked since then. Also, his roleblock claim and asking no one to shoot him much later during D3 seems suspicious since he would have seen and claimed that earlier.
Mataza is also likely scum based on his D3 behavior. When the bomb was set to explode at 24 hr mark, he was hardcore attacking Palmar and trying to bus him. Just after the deadline was changed, his posting changed a lot and also he made a post he was regretting his actions he did assuming a 24 hr bomb. Again, no one noticed since no one gives a damn apart from deciding who to shoot on next day. He and hiro were the only ones who defended Mr. Wiggles as well. I am giving 70-30 odds of him flipping scum.
Also, people missed Kurumi's 6 KP claim in N2. It is rather unlikely to be any assassins in the game since it would need atleast three assassins in the game to make it balanced for them.
3 KP (Palmar included) + 1 Kurumi + 1 GM + 1 Mafia + 1 Karshe - doesn't add up. Also, this assumes Bum has 0 KP and is lying about his powers and/or role.
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Also, I have yet to see a strong case against Torte apart from the weak suspicion based on the fact that he passively RB'd GM (which is outside his control and was confirmed by Meapak a confirmed townie). But, if you repeat someone is scum often enough, you have enough people on the bandwagon.
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And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here.
Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target.
Here's my case against him. And the rest of my suspect lists and analysis. Take it or leave it. I am not going to bother posting anymore till night-time. I know this a rather badly constructed post and I don't care since half the people wont bother to read it anyways.
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On June 08 2011 03:13 redFF wrote:
Hey lol i'm a mason i know shit because i can pm people derp. Maybe i don't want to out people to the thread. If you don't trust and see me as town yet then i dunno what to say.
LMAO!!!
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On June 08 2011 05:12 redFF wrote:read my analysis on him, also i'm a mason hi ^.^
Can you provide a link to me for this analysis that is not just based on the fact that he randomly role-blocks? I think this is the 1000th time I am asking that question from you.
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On June 08 2011 05:29 Mig wrote:
Em what do you think about palmar not knowing what Varps role was before killing him? Or how about this last minute vote switch away from a confirmed non town? If you vote palmar now you should be confident that red is also scum, it is the only way that really makes sense to me.
I made my case why I think Palmar is a better lynch than Bum in the post below and I don't feel like repeating it.
Some text
@redFF
redFF's Analyis
Is this your 100% scum analysis? I can't find anything else.
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On June 08 2011 05:39 Mig wrote:
Hey great post EM completely ignore my points and just say you have made your case. Brilliant play.
And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here.
Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target.
Obviously you didn't bother to read the post.
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