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On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.
So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza!
Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner.
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DropBear hasn't posted since roles were sent out either.
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Regardless of redFF alignment, I am hesitant on lynching him on the first day. He is the only one who's role is semi-confirmed at this point (the only way his role is something else is that Amber and red are both scum).
Also, his role is pro-town in nature which can be out to good use if the town controls his role usage. As long as his role powers are controlled by the town, it is unlikely that he is a direct threat to the town (given the fact mafia KP is constant irrespective number of scum alive).
This, of course is dependent on the fact that his role is limited to PM's and does not have any additional powers. Even if it has additional powers, I doubt he can use PM and the extra power together (since that seems to break the role strength). So, as long as we have to force him to use him PM ability everyday, I don't think he can harm the town.
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On May 31 2011 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.
So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza!
Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner.
As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people.
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On May 31 2011 12:41 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Regardless of redFF alignment, I am hesitant on lynching him on the first day. He is the only one who's role is semi-confirmed at this point (the only way his role is something else is that Amber and red are both scum).
Also, his role is pro-town in nature which can be out to good use if the town controls his role usage. As long as his role powers are controlled by the town, it is unlikely that he is a direct threat to the town (given the fact mafia KP is constant irrespective number of scum alive).
This, of course is dependent on the fact that his role is limited to PM's and does not have any additional powers. Even if it has additional powers, I doubt he can use PM and the extra power together (since that seems to break the role strength). So, as long as we have to force him to use him PM ability everyday, I don't think he can harm the town.
Seriously stop talking about roles. They serve no purpose. If he is mafia, his role is pro mafia. If he is town, its pro town. IT does not matter if town controls where he uses it. If he is mafia he can easily manipulate someone into giving him information they shouldnt. If he is town he could link to a mafia and be manipulated into giving out info.
Stop talking about roles. It is not constructive day 1, nor helpful. Roles do not win games for town, analysis and townies do.
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On May 31 2011 12:43 Karshe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.
So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza!
Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner. As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people.
Your posting has shown you have been around so far the entirety of the game off and on. As such you have had more time to familiarize yourself with it and keep ontop of the posting. As such the majority of your posts should not be as useless as they are and appear to posts keeping you active for active's sake. Also posting your thoughts on a player you believe is town? How the hell is that helpful. Analyze someone you think is being scummy. Give solid reasons. I don't mean to be condescending but even you should realize just how off your play seems.
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BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.
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Of course my play is off, I'm new to the game. Call it playing the "noob card" if you will, but I'd rather get lynched for being an active noob than an inactive lurker, which we currently have plenty of.
As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts.
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On May 31 2011 12:57 Karshe wrote:
Of course my play is off, I'm new to the game. Call it playing the "noob card" if you will, but I'd rather get lynched for being an active noob than an inactive lurker, which we currently have plenty of.
As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts.
On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.
Explain please
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On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.
I read through the majority of the thread before dinner, came back, hit refresh and responded to the "initial 5" list that you posted with my thoughts on Mataza because he is the only one I've had previous experience with so far.
As for getting "caught up," I meant re-reading through the thread and collecting posts as to who good candidates may be. Clearly I shouldn't have posted before having the info ready because it resulted in this.
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I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this.
Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said
On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.
He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF).
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Hey guys I’m going to vote tackster. The last game I played with him was Insane 2. In it he was in the item game and a very vocal and helpful townie from the start. It was only due to mafia manipulation that he died and he made several good reads before he finally was lynched. Contrast to this game.
On May 31 2011 06:19 Tackster wrote:Hey guys I'm up to date!! This looks likes it's going to be so unpredictable it takes weeks to come crashing down  Remember Insane 2? Think we can hit 50 pages by night 1? Anyway my 2 cents - i think revealing who we created roles for is useless. Mafia would know everyone that they created a role for and could share it in their quicktopics - we on the other hand would have no useful info to share in thread. And what's with all the Pound Fisting?? Am I the only one that finds that suspicious? Palmar wrote a command and 2 people replied - that has to be looked into...
I’m glad you’re up to date, this was a loooong time ago. If you were really up to date you could have been posting this whole time and giving input and trying to find scum like a townie should. Your first paragraph is spam, your second paragraph has already been stated and your third paragraph has already been stated as well. Also regarding your third paragraph, you could be town worried about scum influence but it just as easily could be scum worried about an OP town role. Anyway this post falls under that dreaded catagory of contributing without contributing.
On May 31 2011 06:27 Tackster wrote:Amber your role wouldnt happen to be scooby doo would it? Cos technically scooby could talk 
This is your other post, just useless spam.
Pick up your game man; I know you can play better. Right now I feel like you’d be a great lynch. You’ve never been scum on TL as far as I know so this would easily explain your odd behavior. For anyone who doubts my meta argument just look at the first and second days of insane 2 to see the real tackster.
##Vote: Tackster
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On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote:I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this. Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol. He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF).
Because I couldn't name you two posts from any of them off the top of my head. I've been reading posts when possible and getting caught up now. Again, this is what I meant by getting "caught up." I've gone from a 12 person game with 5 pages a day to a 25 person game with 40 pages a day, so again, I'm still getting used to the whole process.
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yo Karshe, that's the third straight post that you've told us that you're not good at this game bro
so i guess all i want to know is
are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you?
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On May 31 2011 13:12 deskscaress wrote:
yo Karshe, that's the third straight post that you've told us that you're not good at this game bro
so i guess all i want to know is
are you used to this much posting? or is this new to you?
I'm not used to this much posting, thanks for asking!
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I'm going to sleep soon, but before then, a handy list of players who aren't contributing, for later reference.
- kurumi
- kenpachi
- Tackster
- Sinani206
- Torte De Lini
- Barundar
- stefftastiq
There are a bunch of people who haven't contributed much, but these guys haven't contributed at all, really. All of them need to tell us what they're thinking and why. Posting once in a while saying "i'm here" doesn't make you any more helpful.
Any additions/changes to the list? I probably missed something.
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BumatLarge
BloodyC0bbler
GMarshal
Meapak
Dropbear
Node
Jackal.
As of right now the list I have given should be the centered Zodiac list. You have all had your chance to talk about it and as no one has really done so there is the list. Everyone on it will have to be held carefully accountable for their actions. Most of us have a fair number of games behind us to give a decent interpretation of our play as town or mafia. Of this list, a few of us have appeared more town like than others.
Now before everyone goes "sweet dt's dont check here" think again, as you are horribly off.
Watcher or tracker style roles. This is the list you focus on. If we go out, if we get visited you want to know. It gives you the ability to connect dots of who is red and who isnt, who lies and who doesnt as time goes by,
Standard role or alignment style detectives your job is to sweep everyone who isnt on this list. Start with whoever is obviously playing suspectly.
Now, Medics, I will be posting a list closer to day end on what you guys should be doing. As of now there is not enough of a list for us to accurately center you on, nor do I really wish to give mafia a larger amount of time to discuss exactly how to deal with the list.
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Why is db on there BC? I have played both of my last 2 games with DB. He was extremely active last game as a townie and much more of a lurker as a mafia so are you putting him on there because of his inactivity? The one thing I would consider for that is we just finished a long long game yesterday so he might just be taking a day off before he jumps back in.
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On May 31 2011 13:26 Mig wrote:
Why is db on there BC? I have played both of my last 2 games with DB. He was extremely active last game as a townie and much more of a lurker as a mafia so are you putting him on there because of his inactivity? The one thing I would consider for that is we just finished a long long game yesterday so he might just be taking a day off before he jumps back in.
He is there as he was a member of a mafia team directly coached by me. As such I interacted with him on a fairly decent level to know what he is capable of. One does not have to be a massively known vet to be good.
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On May 31 2011 12:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 12:41 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Regardless of redFF alignment, I am hesitant on lynching him on the first day. He is the only one who's role is semi-confirmed at this point (the only way his role is something else is that Amber and red are both scum).
Also, his role is pro-town in nature which can be out to good use if the town controls his role usage. As long as his role powers are controlled by the town, it is unlikely that he is a direct threat to the town (given the fact mafia KP is constant irrespective number of scum alive).
This, of course is dependent on the fact that his role is limited to PM's and does not have any additional powers. Even if it has additional powers, I doubt he can use PM and the extra power together (since that seems to break the role strength). So, as long as we have to force him to use him PM ability everyday, I don't think he can harm the town.
Seriously stop talking about roles. They serve no purpose. If he is mafia, his role is pro mafia. If he is town, its pro town. IT does not matter if town controls where he uses it. If he is mafia he can easily manipulate someone into giving him information they shouldnt. If he is town he could link to a mafia and be manipulated into giving out info. Stop talking about roles. It is not constructive day 1, nor helpful. Roles do not win games for town, analysis and townies do.
I was talking about the role since it was the only role claimed and that event was the basis of the argument against a person. However, I can see your point of view and will not bring in the 'role' part in the discussion again (unless I think it is of specific relevance to the analysis).
In terms of today activity, between the dog speak, role claim, and zodiac lists, there hasn't been too much useful discussion in the town. I have seen only two note-worthy suspicious activities till now:
1. Sandroba's plan of people claiming whom they picked the role for - which was unanimously vetoed as a dumb idea by the town. Given Sandroba's play in previous games, it is suspicious that he is unable to see how bad this plan is. Also, he conveniently went MIA once his plan was down by the town. This, by itself, doesn't make him scum but it is something to keep in mind when analyzing his later play.
2. As for the 2nd one, I plan to keep an eye on the second person and read more of his posts before makes an analysis on him tomorrow.
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