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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:15 GMT
#826
@mataza the purpose of zodiac list is to increase the pressure on the players left on the list as the game passes and the list gets smaller. Me being on the list enforces amber's point that he thinks I'm scum. Viscera is kind of weird to me aswell, but other than that the list feels solid to me.
Can we lynch Trackster today and give redFF a chance to prove himself? Despite agreeing with my own analysis (LOL) I'm starting to get a gut feeling I'm wrong about him.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:30 GMT
#834
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:39 GMT
#836
I do. I was responding to jackal's post. My strongest scum read right now is on trackster. I had a scum read on you (you can read why on my analysis), but your posting has improved since then, and your post on mataza makes me think you might be town. Mataza I'm leaning towards scum and so is Mr. Wiggles. Not sure about node/bumatlarge/bc, but they are bad lynches for day1.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:50 GMT
#844
PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS POST BY TRACKSTER

On June 01 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote:
Ok I need to address an accusation by Meapak and contribute more. Hello Guys!! I last posted before going to bed and 12 hours later I woke up to a pounding headache so I havent even tried checking the thread until now. After this post I will probably head back to bed as I must be coming down with something. Anyways I've been writing notes as I read so this may not all be linear but it should cover anything I found stange:

The amber and redFF debate:
I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!)

As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense?

Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!!

I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote.

Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me )

I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS!

Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought!

Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well

Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing.
IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders).

Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought.

I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently!

Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially:

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Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 20:51. Posts 406
Palmar, bro, you said you need at least 4 fistpounds to get working. So cut the small talk, tell ya bros what number of fistpounds are critical, will ya?

Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something.


No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge.


Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar.

Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta:

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Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 21:21. Posts 406
Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game.
First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now.
Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun.

And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand.
But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then.
And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear.

Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again.


First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...)

Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS

Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL

Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!!

Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town...

Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange.

Ok i'm off again - chat you guys tomorrow. KISSES xx


Alright have you read this fucking hugeass post? Now try to derive ANYTHING useful from it. Huge amount of fluff, WIFOM, random useless blabber and describing what's happening in the thread, without ONE SINGLE OPINION ON ANYTHING. This is a textbook contribution without contributing anything at all. This post's only purpose is trying to blend in and appearing to be contributing after being called out. This guy is scum. Vote for him.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:56 GMT
#847
On June 01 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 08:30 sandroba wrote:
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.

Lynching somebody you deem useless is scummy. We are here to lynch scum. Not to appease your superior intellect. If we lynch what is in your eyes a "useless" townie we have wasted a lynch and diminished our numbers by one.
Advocating this position in any way shape or form as a townie is lunacy. You sir are no lunatic.

In RoL's experimental mafia games we were faced with a situation of having to go forward with an absent townie or lynch him. There were no modkills for inactivity in that game. In that situation I did advocate lynching the inactive. If we didn't town would have lost by default at a mylo. Torte de lini is not inactive. He may not be posting as much as you like. He may not be posting content you agree with. But goddamn it he's fucking here. He's fucking posting. If you can't come up with a better reason to lynch somebody than your opinion that he's useless I will do everything I can to hang your ass. That outlook from town is sheer stupidity and allows scum to rape us. And again. You're not stupid.

Again, I'm not advocating a lynch, because if he keeps posting like he has there's no way to build a case to differ him from being useless town from mafia. He's also NOT here. He's all over TL, but not here. I'm advocating a vig shot unless he steps up and start posting opinions and giving us something to work with. If you can't see how this is benefecial you are the lunatic, not me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:00 GMT
#852
@RedFF How have I not contributed???????? I have posted opinions on several players.

@prplhz all I can say is LOL. My post of pushing someone to be lynched is fluff? Alrighty... Nice reason why he's not scum. Also nice vote on me? Care to explain why am I scum?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:08 GMT
#854
No you actually haven't stated it. I go batshit crazy at people posting stupid shit =).
I really hope people voting for me are mafia, otherwise I'm dissapoint.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:19 GMT
#856
OK jackal, how can you tell he's townie??? I fucking have no clue. If he keeps posting like that how will we ever be able to tell he's town? What incentive mafia has to kill a player like that if he's town. If it comes to late game and you have to decide who to lynch or lose will you be confident he's one or the other? I was also answering for an hippotethical question by GM if I was a vig and HAD to shoot someone tonight. Stop distorting my posts.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:25 GMT
#860
And how exactly is calling for a vig shot if the guy doesn't step up anything other than pressure?
I'm not pushing for his lynch, I'm answering GM's question and giving reasoning. Sigh...
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:27 GMT
#861
I'm on the fence about you. I want trackster lynched. That's all.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:33 GMT
#863
jackal58, your logic never stops to surprise me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:38 GMT
#865
You tunneled me with bad logic on mafia 39? Does that ring any bells?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:38 GMT
#866
Also I S2 you =).
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:41 GMT
#868
LOL I'm not getting lynched today unless town is stupid. I refuse to believe it. That's just wishful thinking by you.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:50 GMT
#870
You are right I'll let it rest. I've already stated my opinions on a lot of people and I don't see how adding even more candidates for the lynch is good right now. We should keep the lynch between 3 people at the most and there's already a shitton of people with spreadout votes on them. I sugest we keep the lynch between trackster, tnkted and myself.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:56 GMT
#872
I don't particularly have a scum read on him, but reading the thread a lot of people tend to dissagree. I really don't care which is the third candidate because I want trackster dead.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:07 GMT
#899
@prplhz Better yet, how am I red in the first place? Where is your reasoning for why I'm mafia? I'm still waiting on it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:26 GMT
#903
@Dropbear tnkted has explained that his vote is part of his role. Also it being on the votecount list further proves this. That speaks nothing of his aligment though.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#909
On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba.

He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that.

Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him).

##Vote sandroba


So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 05:52 GMT
#950
@BC Can I get some opinions out of you? There a shitton of posts in this thread so far. Who do you think is the most scummy/suspcious player so far?
You say you are guiding town so what exactly should we be discussing right now?
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