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Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#1509
Does role-blocking stop SK from using his non-role KP?

If decon doesn't answer this, for those who have been around in the mafia forum longer, what is general precedent for role-block and SK/Assassin KP usage?
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 02 2011 22:29 GMT
#1513
On June 03 2011 07:27 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 07:25 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Does role-blocking stop SK from using his non-role KP?

If decon doesn't answer this, for those who have been around in the mafia forum longer, what is general precedent for role-block and SK/Assassin KP usage?

I don't know if I can quote deconduo's pm but he told me that only my role was blocked and my SK-related skills are left untouched.


Interesting that you say so since you wouldn't know that you were role-blocked till the day post.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 02 2011 23:33 GMT
#1530
Though there is still a possibility of a framer, it is low in the absence of a claim of a townie making a framer role. I am of the opinion that a day-vigi hit on him is the best course of action. Barring that, lynching is the next best idea.
Considering he has a potential night KP, it is too risky to let Wiggles live w/o any guaranteed confirmation of his alignment.

Regarding Kurumi and Bum, I believe we should ensure that their vote doesn't influence the lynch at any point of time. Both of them are either scum or SK and it is not good for town that their vote be a deciding factor. Even though, Mr. Wiggles is the obvious lynch target at this point, I still think Bum and Kurumi should cross-vote for each other and continue doing so till both of them are alive. Once one of them dies, we can decide what to do with their vote.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 00:34 GMT
#1567
On June 03 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:
If the individual that wrote Sinani's role is still alive I would love to hear from you.


Mig claimed it
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 14:34 GMT
#1614
On June 03 2011 23:22 Palmar wrote:
oh, and in addition.

I claimed an uncontested night kill on the mole, I claimed my role, confirmed by tnkted.

I'm probably the greenest bro in town right now.

You're going down chaos13.


No, you are not. You are most likely not scum (barring a bus). But that doesn't mean you can't be 3rd party. Also, killing Varpulis doesn't earn any cred in terms of your analysis. It means your analysis on Day1 and the subsequent judgment was crappy as hell. Varpulis was a mole but he didn't know that so he was playing town which means you shot a townie. Yeah, it turned out lucky for town that he flipped mole but considering how many townies took pointless pot-shots, it was all a question of probabilities of some jackass hitting the jackpot. This game that jackass is you.

In fact, if I see you trying to claim more town cred for shooting a mole or using that as a justification for making people follow your analysis, I am more likely to believe that you are scum who bussed the mole.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 16:15 GMT
#1640
On June 04 2011 01:08 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 01:06 Kurumi wrote:
GM is the Leader of Cult. He can invite people to his Pm circle. He can kill member of his circle.


Um. has this been released in thread already?


Afaik, Kurumi has hinted it many times. But this is the first time he has stated openly. But between his inane posts, spam, and bad grammar, I might have missed it.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 20:19 GMT
#1665


Eternalmisfit- he seems to refuse to commit to accusations, at all. this post really stands out to me as he gives plenty of opinions, but fails to accuse anyone, instead he casts doubt on everyone, thats the kind of play I would expect to see from mafia trying to sow dissent. This post is a clear example of "leading" without contributing, role action lists need specific names and reasons rather than "follow this guy's list"



I am seriously laughing on this analysis. GMarshal, be more of a hypocrite please.

In 2 days of posting, you have never posted any analysis on suspicion apart from me on bogus reasons. You didn't vote on Day1. And then you accuse me of failing to commit. In fact, in more than half the reads you posted in the wall-of-text post, you claim 'might be scum' or 'might be town'.

And second reason of 'leading around', I am sorry I am not vet enough to have the authority to decide who the exact targets are (and it's not like people here follow my suggestions of not blowing half the town up by mishits). But considering 'vets' like you, Barundar, kita and others aren't interested in even posting about night actions, I thought it might be a good idea to provide some insight for people with the roles instead of going gung-ho over vigi-hits. Also, I clearly said to use BC's zodiac list since he is a confirmed townie (cant get more specific than that).

Again, the very same can be said of you on Day1 where you twice asked questions without answers them yourselves.

It's nice to see being accused of being scum on the basis of totally content-less arguments most of which is applicable to you too.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 20:29 GMT
#1667
In case people miss it, here's the major change in OP:


There are:
12 - 20 Townies Remaining
4 - 8 Mafia Remaining
1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining

Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 21:57 GMT
#1685
On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote:

There are:
12 - 20 Townies Remaining
4 - 8 Mafia Remaining
1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining


You know I can't make head or tails of the first number count for scum/3rd party.
12 townies out of 20 makes sense since 8 townies have died (counting Varp as a townie).

However, 4 out of 8 scum makes no sense since no mafia has died, unless it means that 4 moles are still in the game. 4 moles, by itself, is something that seems too unrealistic to me.

Even if we assume 4 out of 8 means 4 moles are there, then 1 out of 5 3rd party being alive makes no sense since 3rd party 'cannot' role switch.

The only way these numbers make sense to me is its 4 to 8 mafia and 1 to 5 3rd party remaining in which case it is either 4 mafia+5 third party (or) 8 mafia+ 1 third party which makes sense. In this, however, the town numbers seem to be short.

Can Brownbear/Decon confirm that these numbers are error-free?
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 03 2011 22:01 GMT
#1689
On June 04 2011 07:00 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 06:57 Eternalmisfit wrote:
On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote:

There are:
12 - 20 Townies Remaining
4 - 8 Mafia Remaining
1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining


You know I can't make head or tails of the first number count for scum/3rd party.
12 townies out of 20 makes sense since 8 townies have died (counting Varp as a townie).

However, 4 out of 8 scum makes no sense since no mafia has died, unless it means that 4 moles are still in the game. 4 moles, by itself, is something that seems too unrealistic to me.

Even if we assume 4 out of 8 means 4 moles are there, then 1 out of 5 3rd party being alive makes no sense since 3rd party 'cannot' role switch.

The only way these numbers make sense to me is its 4 to 8 mafia and 1 to 5 3rd party remaining in which case it is either 4 mafia+5 third party (or) 8 mafia+ 1 third party which makes sense. In this, however, the town numbers seem to be short.

Can Brownbear/Decon confirm that these numbers are error-free?


Its not X of Y remaining. Its a number between X and Y remaining.


Thanks!!
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 04 2011 18:00 GMT
#1756
Actually, if Kurumi's role-claim is true, we will need 4 KP or 3KP+role-block to kill him.

You are the Tarp Mage. You can smell traps a full galaxy away! You will be notified of how much total KP is possible each night. If any night KP is used on you, you can choose to negate it for that night. You will be notified of the source (Mafia KP, Vig, bomb, etc). If that KP source can be used the next night, it automatically targets you.


##Fistpound: Palamar.
I hope this doesn't come back to bite the town but I think we will need the KP and hopefully Palmar can hold on his promise of not randomly shooting people.


On June 05 2011 02:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Jackal, why is your plan based on killing kurumi, rather than bum? Of the two, wouldn't you much rather see bum dead, or do you have an ulterior motive?


Jackal is in a PM circle with bum and few others so I believe he has information which convinces him that leaving Bum alive is better. In either, we will need to off one of them tonight IMO.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 04 2011 20:46 GMT
#1810
My recommendations:

Watcher List
Gmarshal
Barundar
Meapak

Three vets who have been largely inactive among the Zodiac List

DT check
Amber - would suggest alignment DT's only since his role is semi-confirmed.
tnkted
Rean

Role-block
Kurumi - so he can't use his role to avoid the KP.


Medic
I don't feel think we should discuss medic lists (if there are any) since we don't want the scum to know who we are more likely to protect.

Also, unless scum held back on its KP last night, I would think that they 1-2 KP left.


Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 05 2011 04:48 GMT
#1880
@redFF - same question as asked by multiple other people.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 05 2011 21:40 GMT
#1953
Town has the worst effing luck.
Palmar who did you hit last night? (No one fist pound him till we know that)
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 05 2011 21:57 GMT
#1967
On June 06 2011 06:55 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 06:53 Palmar wrote:
shot chaos13

My bad.

Are you compelled to shoot every night?


Cant be since he gets the shot after getting fist-pounds. For the love of SC gods, don't give him more fist-pounds.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 06 2011 00:31 GMT
#2030
On June 06 2011 09:27 Mig wrote:
Palmar is claiming that he lied about his powers to try and draw night hits. But getting lives is his real power.


How do you know he was not saying the truth originally and not lying now. I am getting suspicious of redFF, and Mig providing fist-pounds to a claimed liar who has shot townies twice without thinking twice.

PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T FIST-POUND PALMAR TILL tnkted CONFIRMS HIS ROLE AT-LEAST.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 06 2011 00:40 GMT
#2034
So we cannot be sure in any way that Palmar is saying the truth or lying. That's what you are saying. In that case, is it good to give him a free KP in case if he is lying or better playing it safe and not blindly believing him?

Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 06 2011 00:41 GMT
#2035
On June 06 2011 09:37 Mig wrote:
I mean lie again because if he is telling the truth about his first statement being a lie then that was a very pro town lie because it would draw mafia hits while he had extra lives. If he were lying now then it is definitely anti town so he wouldn't lie this time unless him and tnkted were both mafia.


It was a very pro-town move killing a near confirmed DT chaos13 and a police officer who despite being a mole would have been a tremendous help to the town (see GM in PYP-Insane).
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 06 2011 00:51 GMT
#2040
On June 06 2011 09:42 Mig wrote:
Am I blindly believing him EM or am I believing him because I think it is highly unlikely for the mafia to shoot their mole night 1?

And like I said if he doesn't shoot who we tell him then we just lynch him. I don't understand what the problem is?


It makes a lot of sense for mafia to bus a mole to gain town-cred because his role was useless to scum and could be potentially very useful to town in the first two days. Also, if he confirmed DT before day 3, he would be rather hard pressed to contribute so he is little worth as scum (again check PYP-I).

As for the second statement, that was supposed happen today. He was supposed to shoot as town directed last night. What did he do? He went ahead and blew the brains out of a near confirmed DT. redFF pretty much announced on a microphone that chaos13 was a watcher.

Finally, read the other role descriptions and then read Palmar's. Do you really think a unlimited night vig who can gain extra lives forever by fist-pounding seem plausible? Near ever KP/vet role had some crazy restriction which limited #hits, #lives, or lost powers on a certain event. In case of Palmar, yeah a night time vig with unlimited shots and potentially 2/3 extra night lives is totally believable.
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
June 06 2011 02:09 GMT
#2063
##Vote: Palmar

I am quite confident that Palmar is scum at this point. I will be posting my scum suspect list and other reads sometime tomorrow morning once I re-do a PBP analysis of their posting.


@Sinani
Better start posting more. I see that you are quite active in SNMM 3 and LR threads but seem to be totally absent from here. Also, your post timings, fist-pound timing and timing to come in to defend Palmar reminds me of XXXIX
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