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So far, we have the following data:
1. Amber is some sort of dog with a tracker/watcher role. He should be protected/bussed out of harms way tonight.
2. redff1 has a mason role. Also worth protecting.
3. Palmar has some sort of bro role. I think I have an idea what thats about, but I'ma stay mum until we know more.
4. I have some reason for not being afraid of getting killed. Hmm.......
As far as that goes, I think our best bet for a lynch today is................
On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote:
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.
Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?
This is precicely the same plan I posted. The following people acted in a scummy way in response to it:
On May 31 2011 09:37 hiro protagonist wrote:
anyone who is not asking Amber a detect question gets my vote immediately! any other talk is just filler and does not help, SO DON'T DO IT. We have two suspects in the form of Vamp and tnkted. talk about that!
@kitaman: why do you suspect Vamp?
On May 31 2011 10:47 Mig wrote:
I am gonna toss my vote onto tnkted for now. He has been floating through the thread without contributing much, which is true for a lot of people right now, but then as soon as he is criticized by bum he throws out a 5 paragraph plan which isn't even really a plan so much as it's just common sense. Maybe it is just unfortunate timing for him but it looks a lot like someone over compensating and attempting to appear town after being pressured.
more coming after the break, i have to go move furniture.
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On May 31 2011 22:45 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote:
Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread?
Does no one else find that strange? As I said earlier, it must be something to do with his role. There is no other way it would be allowed. He even said that it would give him the opportunity to play in a new way.
this. except the fact that I voted coagulation has nothing to do with it. The fact that I voted for someone who wasn't playing on the other hand....
You can replace 'coagulation' with Bill Murray if you want, it doesn't make a difference to my role.
No more clues!
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On June 01 2011 01:11 Karshe wrote:I would like to hear more from Deskscaress, having read through his posts this morning. No clue what this means... Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 03:59 deskscaress wrote:
day 2 rolls around and i will *vanish in a puff of smoke*
^not a hint to my role
Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote:
i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something.
Endorsing lying doesn't really sit well with me this early on. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote:
lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead Great! I look forward to your in-depth analysis! Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 06:37 deskscaress wrote:
disagree.
make your posts LONG and information-packed because this thread is quickly turning into a spam-fest. the more concise our posts the more posts we will have. make longer posts and spend more time on them so we have more to analyze instead Great! I look forward to your long and information-packed analysis! Here's your next post coming up: Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:59 deskscaress wrote:
ugh this thread moves wayyyy too fast for a day 1 thread.
on the forum i host, our longest game was 30 pages (with ~30 players) for like a 7 day game and even then i was telling everyone they should be less spammy faggots and post more content.
sooooooo many posts in this thread so far are just people parroting what other people say. can you stop posting if your post is going to contain 3 lines or less? it just makes it too easy for someone else to come in 3 pages later (when your post has already been forgotten) and say the exact same thing, like "EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP MAKING LISTS HERP" which makes it look like they're contributing
like aren't most of you vets? isn't this common knowledge already?
^also i know i look like a hypocrite by just parroting to stop parroting. herp.
Wow, this is a fantastic contribution to our game. I'm sure glad you're so committed to in-depth and well thought out posts. Also, I find it amusing that later in the thread you berate me for mentioning the fast moving thread when you yourself have already complained about it. The second half of the above post involved dissecting RedFF's blunder which had already been a major talking point of the town. But, wait... you just said you're so anti-parroting. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 11:07 deskscaress wrote:
i want to correct this, sorry. "ValpuriS" instead of Valpuris
also +1 to everything that chaos reiterated and explained better than i did. redFF is super scummy to me right now Really? This is one of your famous non-spammy, quality posts? And here is the gem that really caught my eye and encouraged me to go take a look through your posts. Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 16:06 deskscaress wrote:
with all that in mind, if he IS an investigative role, and he flips mafia when he dies, i think we can clear at least these four people because he obviously wouldn't need to bump his mafia bros. of course we can't ACTUALLY clear them because WIFOM etc.
but what if the stipulation is that he needs fistbumps from people of the opposite faction to get his thing to work? then can we clear them? yes. but obviously we won't know this info until later.
Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia."
This is a crazy weak analysis. You just went through and picked the posts of his that seemed most scummy.
However, this part I do agree with:
Totally disagree with this. You don't know if it's an investigative role, unless Palmar told you in mafia PMs. For all we know Palmar could have a bro-fist deathray and it powers up after having 5 fistbumps. In which case, mafia would be more than obliged to fistbump him. I don't feel like we'll ever be able to clear anyone that has fistbumped Palmar even after learning his alignment, and I feel like this is mafia trying to give themselves an easy defense later. "But but... Palmar fistbumped me and he was mafia."
We don't know what the fistpounds do. I think four is enough for palmar for now. Nobody else needs to fistpound. Palmar, stop asking for them.
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Nah, hes just saying that he thinks I know something extra about the bro and that I must be the bus driver because im always the bus driver. He's just being funny.
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On June 01 2011 08:50 sandroba wrote:PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS POST BY TRACKSTERShow nested quote +On June 01 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote:Ok I need to address an accusation by Meapak and contribute more. Hello Guys!! I last posted before going to bed and 12 hours later I woke up to a pounding headache so I havent even tried checking the thread until now. After this post I will probably head back to bed as I must be coming down with something. Anyways I've been writing notes as I read so this may not all be linear but it should cover anything I found stange: The amber and redFF debate: I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!) As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense? Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!! I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote. Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me  ) I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS! Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought! Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well  Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing. IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders). Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought. I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently! Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 20:51. Posts 406
Palmar, bro, you said you need at least 4 fistpounds to get working. So cut the small talk, tell ya bros what number of fistpounds are critical, will ya?
Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something.
No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge. Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar. Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta: Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 21:21. Posts 406
Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game.
First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now.
Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun.
And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand.
But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then.
And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear.
Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...) Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!! Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town... Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange. Ok i'm off again - chat you guys tomorrow. KISSES xx Alright have you read this fucking hugeass post? Now try to derive ANYTHING useful from it. Huge amount of fluff, WIFOM, random useless blabber and describing what's happening in the thread, without ONE SINGLE OPINION ON ANYTHING. This is a textbook contribution without contributing anything at all. This post's only purpose is trying to blend in and appearing to be contributing after being called out. This guy is scum. Vote for him.
Derm, actually, I think this is a pretty good post by tackster, probably one of a few posts of substance in the game so far. He's running through the thread saying what he thinks about stuff. his point about bums pressure is good, and his point about the kita train is also cool.
Plus this plays into tackster meta very well.
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On June 01 2011 11:47 sinani206 wrote:
@M_Z tnkted apparently can't help the town by voting, and he hasn't helped with analysis at all. There is just no reason to leave him alive. We need townies who can actually contribute.
Vigs, shoot this guy. He's crazy scummy.
And everyone, take your votes off me, they're wasted. I'm guarrenteed (via role) to be in the lategame, so forgive me if I don't waste my time on bad analysis by overeager players on day 1. Votes are better spent somewhere else, and bullets are better spent on other players.
That being said, heres my suspicion list (not a scumlist, but people that are worth a check):
sinani is acting very scummy. He popped up in the thread the second somebody accused him and then frantically started tunneling the most suspicious person in the thread which was (by intention) me.
Jackal is also acting scummy, but in an unusual way I don't think people are picking up on yet. Jackal's MO is to play very aggressive and constantly pressure people, which is what he's doing. However, in this game, he doesn't seem to have much interest prolonging the pressure he puts on. By this I mean he doesn't follow through his pressure.
Thats all for now. By the way, Mafia is probably laughing their asses off since the thread is in such a dissolute and chaotic mess. I absolutely assure you that we are not going to lynch a mafia today, especially if we lynch Tackster, who is probably the worst possible lynching target we could get today.
Oh, by the way, I'm not bus driver, or I'd bus him out with somebody.
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On June 01 2011 13:45 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 13:40 tnkted wrote:On June 01 2011 11:47 sinani206 wrote:
@M_Z tnkted apparently can't help the town by voting, and he hasn't helped with analysis at all. There is just no reason to leave him alive. We need townies who can actually contribute. Vigs, shoot this guy. He's crazy scummy. And everyone, take your votes off me, they're wasted. I'm guarrenteed (via role) to be in the lategame, so forgive me if I don't waste my time on bad analysis by overeager players on day 1. Votes are better spent somewhere else, and bullets are better spent on other players. That being said, heres my suspicion list (not a scumlist, but people that are worth a check): sinani is acting very scummy. He popped up in the thread the second somebody accused him and then frantically started tunneling the most suspicious person in the thread which was (by intention) me. Jackal is also acting scummy, but in an unusual way I don't think people are picking up on yet. Jackal's MO is to play very aggressive and constantly pressure people, which is what he's doing. However, in this game, he doesn't seem to have much interest prolonging the pressure he puts on. By this I mean he doesn't follow through his pressure. Thats all for now. By the way, Mafia is probably laughing their asses off since the thread is in such a dissolute and chaotic mess. I absolutely assure you that we are not going to lynch a mafia today, especially if we lynch Tackster, who is probably the worst possible lynching target we could get today.Oh, by the way, I'm not bus driver, or I'd bus him out with somebody. If this thread is in such dissolution, maybe you need to get us on the right track, because you're not helping either. Lets start with this question: Who is probably the best lynching target.
Sinani. Easily.
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On June 01 2011 13:56 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 13:51 tnkted wrote:On June 01 2011 13:45 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 01 2011 13:40 tnkted wrote:On June 01 2011 11:47 sinani206 wrote:
@M_Z tnkted apparently can't help the town by voting, and he hasn't helped with analysis at all. There is just no reason to leave him alive. We need townies who can actually contribute. Vigs, shoot this guy. He's crazy scummy. And everyone, take your votes off me, they're wasted. I'm guarrenteed (via role) to be in the lategame, so forgive me if I don't waste my time on bad analysis by overeager players on day 1. Votes are better spent somewhere else, and bullets are better spent on other players. That being said, heres my suspicion list (not a scumlist, but people that are worth a check): sinani is acting very scummy. He popped up in the thread the second somebody accused him and then frantically started tunneling the most suspicious person in the thread which was (by intention) me. Jackal is also acting scummy, but in an unusual way I don't think people are picking up on yet. Jackal's MO is to play very aggressive and constantly pressure people, which is what he's doing. However, in this game, he doesn't seem to have much interest prolonging the pressure he puts on. By this I mean he doesn't follow through his pressure. Thats all for now. By the way, Mafia is probably laughing their asses off since the thread is in such a dissolute and chaotic mess. I absolutely assure you that we are not going to lynch a mafia today, especially if we lynch Tackster, who is probably the worst possible lynching target we could get today.Oh, by the way, I'm not bus driver, or I'd bus him out with somebody. If this thread is in such dissolution, maybe you need to get us on the right track, because you're not helping either. Lets start with this question: Who is probably the best lynching target. Sinani. Easily. That contradicts what you said in your post. And it looks like your only targeting him because he started tunneling you. And the fact that he's been absent for a good while seems to be your only excuse to call him scum?...
Actually I said the exact same thing in the post. You're splitting hairs. And I don't care if he's gone right now, this is when I'm awake. He'll be back on tomorrow. He's scummy because of what he was posting, not because of what's been happening in his real life.
As for the tunnelling thing: You clearly didn't read my post very closely. I am immune to pressure in this game. I don't give a flying fuck if you vote for me, its going to do nothing but waste your vote. I won't say anything else about my role, but I'm sure somebody will be able to figure it out.
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Sigh... I just wrote up a big ol' response to steff, and then I refreshed and it was gone. #()%&)#(%&
Basically it was this:
1. You are pressuring correctly, but you chose the wrong person to pressure since I'm not afraid of dying
2. Your analysis was weak because A. you chose bad posts to analyze and B. you were extremely wishy-washy in your approach.
3. I wasn't even talking to you when you think I was, I was talking to sinani. I have not addressed you yet this entire game IIRC lol.
Keep up the good work though, I'm convinced that you are a noobie town if it makes you feel any better.
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On June 01 2011 23:14 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 prplhz wrote:
@Kurumi
There's really no need to get personal here. Just state what's on your mind instead. You're not a person,duh,You're a rat. You had,SO BIG case against Sandroba,You even called him SCUM. You were acting like You were SURE he is scum and now "well I agree with chaos13,I will move my vote now" What? Sandroba has 4 votes,2 votes behind Tackster who is going to get unvoted after he comes back and defends himself. Maybe You just want to blend in? "I was SURE that SANDROBA(who is scumscumscumscum) was scum,but well he isn't scum because he isn't scum. Also what people have to do with Your opinion? You had a HUGE case,You needed to go with it,unless.. You are scum. The opinion that people don't agree/follow You (4votes,3 without You) is bullshit. You did not answer my question too. You're obviously bandwagoning. "If they decide to lynch Sandroba,I'll just jump in." Thanks. You easily could get my vote,but You will taste by bullet this night,for safety measures with this game,since we have one person already immune to lynches.
Claiming vig?
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What?! Tackster has 6 votes?!
Why the hell are we voting tackster?! He is almost certainly not scum, hes just afk!
Jesus, I hadn't realized it had gotten this bad
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On June 02 2011 03:50 Mataza wrote:
cba to read now, I just want to announce I strongly consider voting tnkted just to confirm his invulnerability claim.
Claiming it stops it from absorbing any kp, therefore reducing the usefulness of the role.
It also absorbs votes, which is why you're voting me. You don't want to get caught voting for somebody else. And mafia would love it if I were to get lynched today, since it would mean their chances of getting killed are nil.
Its better for me to claim when people are voting me, since they are wasting their votes and that is anti-town. Its also better that I claim in a game like this when town probably has more kp than mafia does. I don't want vigis wasting their only shots.
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I'm also starting to get suspicious of palmar. Yes, thats all I'm saying, its a gut read.
And I also agree with jackals post. You guys should all read it again.
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Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!).
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On June 02 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
Also #vote VisceraEyes. He seems scummy (ha!). It's night time Twinkles. Although that may be the appropriate time to vote for a Zombie.
oh ha! i forgot about that. I didn't want to forget.
#unvote
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Ok, total massacre. Shit.
1. Palmar is telling the truth about his role. #fistpound palmar
2. This night wasn't a total wash. Most of the abilities we just lost were not that important in the grand scheme of things:
Coward only helps himself
Possessed can easily backfire on town, in this case it didn't and we got a scum out of it
Police chief is a bit of a loss, but he was the mole so I don't feel too bad about it
Indie Rocker is... totally awesome. I kind of wish I was this role.
Painter is just a really bad town role
3. We've got a few things we can safely do now:
We lynch bum
We lynch wiggles
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On June 03 2011 06:29 Kurumi wrote:
Who does not care who wins? Who does want to live just for pleasure of it?
I am Serial Killer. If this helps town I am all for lynching me,though I'd like to get rid of that pesky roleblocker and get You KP list at least.
wtf? if you are sk you don't win with town.
5. We got an interesting glimpse into the sorts of roles that people got. I was not expecting people to come up with scummy roles, since the chances of you being town is much higher than the chances of being mafia. Painter in particular REALLY suprised me. This means that yes, alignment masking is a possibility and Wiggles could be telling the truth.
Its time for Wiggles to claim, although I don't think its going to help him any. I reacted the exact same way he is reacting now when I was revealed scum to everyone in PYPI. I panicked and started claiming that I was framed. However, I don't think that mafia would bother framing wiggles. I don't think his place on the zodiac list was that important. Why?
Well, from my position, the zodiac lists were a huge fucking waste of time. Veterans != good players, Veterans = Experienced players. Experienced players wouldn't bother framing wiggles; they'd frame somebody more likely to be checked, like me.
6. Therefore we have to lynch wiggles. I'm sure some more cops etc have stuff to post in thread, but I'd advise them not to do that. If anyone can think of a way for townies to claim without revealing their role, that'd be great. Off the top of my head I thought of red running through voting everyone in town and asking if they have anything to claim, but that has obvious problems. A police radio would be nice here.
7. Anyone have a daykill? Use it on bum, the sooner the better so that scum doesn't bus him out of the way.
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Also whatever tackster's sandwhich role is is scaring me... what happened with that?
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Oh, #vote node for having such a baller hipster role.
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Oh and don't forget: bum claimed bulletproof I believe.
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I'm kind of honored I'm being included on zodiac lists with such illustrious names. 
On June 03 2011 17:39 stefftastiq wrote:
Shouldnt it be safe to assume that the ones trying to lead attention away from Mr Wiggles are mafia? He showed up scum based on how someone made desks role - and I also got that medium message posted earlier - no town would "protect him" ?
right now it seems like both hiro and mataza both are trying to help wiggles live - probably because he got mafia kp?
@tnkted
may I ask what you vote for coagulation was for? :-D
No you may not.
On June 03 2011 23:34 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:22 Palmar wrote:
oh, and in addition.
I claimed an uncontested night kill on the mole, I claimed my role, confirmed by tnkted.
I'm probably the greenest bro in town right now.
You're going down chaos13. No, you are not. You are most likely not scum (barring a bus). But that doesn't mean you can't be 3rd party. Also, killing Varpulis doesn't earn any cred in terms of your analysis. It means your analysis on Day1 and the subsequent judgment was crappy as hell. Varpulis was a mole but he didn't know that so he was playing town which means you shot a townie. Yeah, it turned out lucky for town that he flipped mole but considering how many townies took pointless pot-shots, it was all a question of probabilities of some jackass hitting the jackpot. This game that jackass is you. In fact, if I see you trying to claim more town cred for shooting a mole or using that as a justification for making people follow your analysis, I am more likely to believe that you are scum who bussed the mole.
Mafia knows who the mole is. In PYPI our mole was GM (where the hell is gm btw? He must have some sort of posting restriction). GM was this crazy town detective role. In the end game, after all the investigative roles had inspected us out, GM was our ace in the hole. He had so much townie cred by that point he managed to survive several cycles of lynches. In this case, the mole was a similar role. After revealing a mafia or two and actually helping town out, that mole would have been so far up our asses we would have red-eye.
But he's dead. That means that mafia (including, hypothetically, palmar) either thought he was gonna get killed anyway (possible, a lot of people thought that he was scummy d1, which he wasn't) or they thought he was worth bussing (he wasn't, not at this point in the game).
Look, almost all of the suspicion we threw at each other day1 was wrong. Look at the kills! I'm willing to let palmar live and even willing to let him not reveal who he is killing until we've got some more info.
That being said, Palmar if you hit greens for the next two days I'm going to reverse myself and start advocating a lynch for you.
Now, regarding the wiggles/bum situation: The best plan of action is actually to let bum live today. We need to kill wiggles ASAP since he is a confirmed mafia member and we want to wittle their numbers down so that they can't plan as well. Mafia is much more dangerous to us than SKs are. Nightkills can be directed at bum, and I'm actually willing to let kurumi live for now. Some of you might not have noticed it, but he actually has more pro-town posts than PYPI, which was the only time I've played with him. His meta is supposedly unreadable, but I would have lynched the shit out of him last game and I want to let him squirm for a little bit longer now. Frankly, a SK claim makes absolutely no sense for him. It makes sense for bum (bum wants to live till the end) but an SK claim for kurumi is just stupid.
Now, regarding the chaos/palmer catfight: Chaos, Palmar is not scum if you flip green. Townies can tunnel poorly. Palmar, your arguments are not persuasive to me for the same reason.
TLDR;
We lynch wiggles today.
We target bum with a vig (it may not hit, but I suspect that he's lying about his invincibility, unless his rolegiver can confirm that). If bum lives, we lynch him tomorrow.
We let Kurumi live for the time being.
We pretend that chaos and palmar are both town until we know more.
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