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On June 15 2011 03:06 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 02:52 redFF wrote:
How do you know you weren't saved by any hits? Maybe you weren't protected by a typical medic? Disregarding that: do you really think GMarshal would quote TDL day 1, just to possibly gain a little town credit but lose his role?.
Possibly. He could have not known TDL's role, he could have forgotten about it. If you are not taking your own vote list as fact then I dunno why everyone is treating GM like a confirmed townie because of one quote. I quoted TDL too,(wasn't roleblocked tho) am I town because of that? Me not being roleblocked the next day might be a mistake on Decon's part now I think of it.
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Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE".
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On June 15 2011 02:05 Palmar wrote:
GM
Cause I like to hog all the KP's myself.
And because he is on Rean's list.
Go for it. Give mafia the game. I mean who needs to scumhunt?
Go back and read PYP:I. Do you know who pushed the "kill everyone on the list" idea?
I did, cause I was mafia, and knew that was the best way to win, you force town attention on mistaken DT checks rather than on actual scumhunting.
If we exterminate the list we play straight into the mafia's hands, stop being idiots and realize this.
Why am I the only player that even considers the possibility of balance?
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On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE".
Its the typical desperate mafia strategy of the last survivor, realizing he is about to be left alone, and clinging to one last desperate strand of hope.
If Palmar has any clue of what good town play entails he'll shoot him tonight.
Not that I expect that mind you, he'll probably shoot into the town and be like "oops, I killed our best analyst, when we are fast approaching lylo, my bad ^_^"
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On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE".
lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game. 
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On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game.
I've heard this argument before! You know who made it?
I did, when I was scum in PYP:I and Radfeild questioned the validity of my lists. ^_^
Guess what? If I weren't around you'd get away with it and everything! But I am around, and here to remind the town that this is an *exact* repeat of PYP:I, except that this time I'm on the town's side.
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Also, if you are deadset on me being scum, why are you following my proposed lynch? Why aren't you arguing the db lynch? Is it because you know I'm right?
Keep flailing mafia man, I've been in your position before, and I don't envy it.
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Palmar shoot this scum tonight :D
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I still don't understand how GM is scum.
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lol I think DB is scum too, and I stated why I'm following the lynch ffs. You are just twisting my words and acting like I am obv-scum when I'm not lol. Dropbear is a claimed PGO, and he is in that list of 4 PEOPLE, 2 OF THEM BEING MAFIA. He is scum so we are lynching him lol. You're really fucked now because of that list and these idiots are buying your bullshit about millers and gfs and such. A gf would do jack shit to that list, if there was a gf on it then more of you would be scum not less lol. A miller would fuck it up I agree, BUT WE HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THERE IS A MILLER, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE VOTECHECK OF A FRIGGIN CONFIRMED DT. This is hilarious that people may actually side with you. Palmar ffs you know what to do. Once again all this is is a hardcore OMGUS/chainsaw defense from GM and Votechecks are op but what you gonna do?
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On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game.
Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning.
And "he's on both lists" doesn't count.
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On June 15 2011 04:11 Cthsazsa wrote:
I still don't understand how GM is scum.
because he is opposing shooting into a list confirmed to have 2 scum by a confirmed dt lol.
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On June 15 2011 04:12 redFF wrote:
lol I think DB is scum too, and I stated why I'm following the lynch ffs. You are just twisting my words and acting like I am obv-scum when I'm not lol. Dropbear is a claimed PGO, and he is in that list of 4 PEOPLE, 2 OF THEM BEING MAFIA. He is scum so we are lynching him lol. You're really fucked now because of that list and these idiots are buying your bullshit about millers and gfs and such. A gf would do jack shit to that list, if there was a gf on it then more of you would be scum not less lol. A miller would fuck it up I agree, BUT WE HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THERE IS A MILLER, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE VOTECHECK OF A FRIGGIN CONFIRMED DT. This is hilarious that people may actually side with you. Palmar ffs you know what to do. Once again all this is is a hardcore OMGUS/chainsaw defense from GM and Votechecks are op but what you gonna do?
Keep on being desperate scum, you know and I know and your scumbuddy knows that there is a miller in that list, you know that if you convince the town to kill everyone on it you win, its just a matter of how much people are willing to sheep idiocy, rather than bother to *think* about whether or not such an op ability would be allowed without a counter, and of what your real intent is, mr "I oust dts"
Do you really think that if there were two mafia left both would vote for the same target like idiots? The fact that you think that if I were mafia I would be that stupid is so condescending that it makes me actually angry.
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On June 15 2011 04:12 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game. Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning. And "he's on both lists" doesn't count.
Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right?
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So you propose we shoot into the list you made, potentially killing a townie and bringing us oh-so-closer to LyLo?
I can understand why GM doesn't like that plan because, well, it's retarded.
O Ya I forgot, everyone who opposes your idea is scum.
Excellent reasoning >.>
And I'm not mad that you called me scum earlier, just extremely dumbfounded. That's what you've been doing all game.
"MATAZA IS SCUM KILL HIM"
"CTHSAZSA IS SCUM KILL HIM"
"GM IS SCUM KILL HIM"
At least I attempted an analysis when I called Karshe out.
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Cths, you up for just lynching RedFF? I'm pretty sure that from his desperate behavior he is mafia, and we can just have palmar shoot DB tonight.
Or we can do it the other way around, I don't care ^_^
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On June 15 2011 04:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:12 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game. Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning. And "he's on both lists" doesn't count. Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right?
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lol I am thinking but to ignore A VOTECHECK FROM A CONFIRMED DT WITH NO REASON TO THINK THAT THERE IS A MILLER is idiotic.
Yes Gmarshal being on both lists is suspicious, TOWN HAS TO KILL INTO THIS LIST, IT IS THE ONLY RATIONAL THING TO DO.
Gmarshal was the main force behind palmar getting lynched over Bumatlarge lol.
If you guys actually listen to this guy and don't shoot into this list then you are idiots. I've gone from being thought of as town to being questioned and doubted because I brought up a perfect plan which would result in scum's loss and of course GM is trying his hardest to prevent that.
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On June 15 2011 04:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:12 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game. Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning. And "he's on both lists" doesn't count. Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right?
Well, blues act as support to thinking.
We're trying to do exactly what you want us to do, but we're using the blues to give us guidelines on how to think. It's mad to only rely on blues, but it's also mad to simply ignore them, wouldn't you agree?
We have a list from Rean, that contains two mafia. There might be miller roles in this game, but that would've required the player who designed the role to create it as miller role, as there is no miller alignment. This doesn't rule out the possibility of a miller, but it certainly does reduce the chances of there being one.
Our work is definitely not done by just shooting everyone on the list. But we can use the list as a guideline on who we should be taking a look at, which is exactly what we're doing at the moment.
GMarshal
Palmar
Rean
DropBear
stefftastiq
Amber[LighT]
I would be much more skeptical if Stefftastiq hadn't confirmed Rean's night action through his whisper.
Now, we need to apply analysis to the people on the list... see what I'm talking about, there are two people on this list that are mafia, so we've narrowed down our focus with the help of blues. Now we need to get our hands dirty to try and find the scum.
I have already proven I'm completely useless at posting analysis, so I'll stick to action analysis. I hope someone can complement my conclusion with something on behavior.
GMarshal:
Got roleblocked by torte. He would have known how torte's roleblock worked. This makes it less likely GMarshal is mafia.
GMarshal led the switch to me over confirmed scum. This makes it more likely he is mafia.
Rean
Rean has provided us with reliable vote-lists. Until something happens that makes me believe he's scum, I'm going to have faith he is town. Especially the fact that stefftastiq confirmed him when he could easily have lied, makes me think he's town.
DropBear
All dropbear did early in the game was analysing 4 people at once, which is kinda silly because if you think you have scum, you should get the town to focus, not spread the votes out over several people you suspect.
DropBear did ask us not to visit him during night, and meapak seems to have fallen to that, but this is almost a must-explain even if he's mafia. He's my best bet for mafia on the list.
stefftastiq
Steff is very inactive, but he seems to always deliver his whispers reliably and they have helped us understand what is about to happen. There is a slight chance that both the gas cannister whisper and this rean psychic whisper were orchestrated, but it's just a big wifom argument.
I think Steff is town.
Amber[LighT]
Consistently pro-town actions it seems. Obviously people are not going to agree with me here because no one knows amber's role but me. But I don't see any reason to consider him mafia at the moment.
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On June 15 2011 04:26 GMarshal wrote:
Cths, you up for just lynching RedFF? I'm pretty sure that from his desperate behavior he is mafia, and we can just have palmar shoot DB tonight.
Or we can do it the other way around, I don't care ^_^
yeah, I'll shoot DB and die a horrible death.
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On June 15 2011 04:28 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:17 GMarshal wrote:On June 15 2011 04:12 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 15 2011 04:02 redFF wrote:On June 15 2011 03:47 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean I'm just ignoring red for now. All he's done and been doing is calling people scum without a good reason and shouting 'IF WE DONT SHOOT THIS LIST WE LOSE". lol, circumstances have changed. I know you are mad I called you scum yesterday but there is no reason to not listen to me when what I am saying is correct. What reasons do we have not to believe this list? GM is trying to convince everyone it is inaccurate because he knows he is screwed if we just kill into this list and win the game. Wait, why all of a sudden is GM scum? You never explained your reasoning. And "he's on both lists" doesn't count. Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right? -_- lol I am thinking but to ignore A VOTECHECK FROM A CONFIRMED DT WITH NO REASON TO THINK THAT THERE IS A MILLER is idiotic. Yes Gmarshal being on both lists is suspicious, TOWN HAS TO KILL INTO THIS LIST, IT IS THE ONLY RATIONAL THING TO DO. Gmarshal was the main force behind palmar getting lynched over Bumatlarge lol. If you guys actually listen to this guy and don't shoot into this list then you are idiots. I've gone from being thought of as town to being questioned and doubted because I brought up a perfect plan which would result in scum's loss and of course GM is trying his hardest to prevent that.
Right, the guy who has now killed two different SKs and a red is obviously not to be trusted.
Oh he also mistakenly lynched the guy who claimed assassin, when he was sure there were no assassins (And was I right? I WAS! ^_^)
You know what else I'm right about? There being a miller, I guarantee you there is. I've balanced games, at least trust me as far as "there is no way in hell there are listchecks and NO alignment disguising powers/roles in the game"
Again, you are using the same exact arguments I used against radfield, even the same tone of rage at the town. Have you been reading PYP:I for pointers? I remind you I lost that game, so copying my strategy might not be the best play, Mr. I oust DTs .
Oh, and by the way I CAN SPAM CAPS TOO!
Not that it lends your arguments any credence.
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