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On June 08 2011 07:43 Mig wrote:
Also GM nice town play. We need to establish town leadership so either dt check me or vig me I don't care. Wtf? How about you just play pro town and make good cases for scum instead of saying you don't care if you are vigd. What good town player ever offers to be vigd.
The frustrated one. I was *really* sure Palmar was red, and now I feel like a worthless idiot, I expect everyone should be super suspicious of me, I practically spearheaded that lynch.
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Yes you are rightfully under suspicion because you are an excellent town player yet like jackal you have contributed almost nothing and led the town in the wrong direction. So if you are actually town then put some effort in and prove you are of some use to the town. Asking for a vig to kill you if you are town only hurts us.
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Tell me one townie who has made a decent contribution besides desckcaress.
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You have Tnkted listed as dead? When did he die? What was his role and alignment? Or was he replaced?
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On June 08 2011 08:40 Jackal58 wrote:You have Tnkted listed as dead? When did he die? What was his role and alignment? Or was he replaced?
He was mod-killed as town a little before the night post along with Kenpachi/Pandain
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Thanks. I see it. 
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I think we need kill to kill Bum and/or Kurumi tonight. I won't make specific suggestions since a some people here consider me scummy and any suggestion would be considered as a divergence attempt.
Other than that, if there is a vote checker (I hope I got this read right), do check either of the lists to check for mafia counts. Palmar's list is likely to have larger number of scum while Bum's list can confirm people more easily. Also, with Palmar flipping town and assuming I got the correct read, one of Barundar, hiro, and me came as scum in the vote list.
Although I did day I will role claim tonight, I plan to wait till just before the day post to role-claim since I do not want to provide the information to scum team.
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Red has you as a confirmed scum EM. I don't see any reason not to believe him, especially since he was in contact with a possible DT. I see why now he's calling TDL scum, too.
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That is bullshit jackal. You are an good vet did you really think mafia would kill their mole on night one? And you were around when I made the argument about mafia not even knowing his role when they killed him. Any experienced player should know how unlikely it was for mafia to kill their mole just to buy fucking palmar town cred. I mean if they really wanted town cred they would have used wiggles since he is 50x the player. This is shit the veterans would have picked up on if you were actually town.
Something else everyone needs to consider, hosts balance the teams in terms of skill so one side doesnt get crushed. Now look at the town deaths on our side. Kitaman, Meapak, BC, Node all good veteran players. Do you think decu balanced this game with just 1 good vet (wiggles) on the mafia side? Of course not. Between bum, jackal, GM, barundar at least one must be mafia and it is a lot more likely to be 2-3 of them.
Kill bum first then Jackal or GM should be killed after. I would prefer jackal and I will write up a full case for it if I get home early enough.
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On June 08 2011 10:33 Mig wrote:
That is bullshit jackal. You are an good vet did you really think mafia would kill their mole on night one? And you were around when I made the argument about mafia not even knowing his role when they killed him. Any experienced player should know how unlikely it was for mafia to kill their mole just to buy fucking palmar town cred. I mean if they really wanted town cred they would have used wiggles since he is 50x the player. This is shit the veterans would have picked up on if you were actually town.
Something else everyone needs to consider, hosts balance the teams in terms of skill so one side doesnt get crushed. Now look at the town deaths on our side. Kitaman, Meapak, BC, Node all good veteran players. Do you think decu balanced this game with just 1 good vet (wiggles) on the mafia side? Of course not. Between bum, jackal, GM, barundar at least one must be mafia and it is a lot more likely to be 2-3 of them.
Kill bum first then Jackal or GM should be killed after. I would prefer jackal and I will write up a full case for it if I get home early enough.
Easy to pick on us, you who only showed up an hour before the lynch. Yes, I fully believed Palmar was scum, and shot the mole, knowing it was an uber DT. When I made the accusation I was not aware that RedFF had crafted Palmars role, but if i had know I would have probably pushed the lynch anyway. I made the argument that it was not for "town cred" it was to silence a DT, that was all, it was making the best of a crappy situation. It would not have worked with wiggles, as he had no kp, and the mafia would not have gotten into a convoluted lie to do it.
Again its easy to demolish our arguments now, but if you had shown up sooner and argued it while I was around this might have been averted.
As far as considering how the host balanced, that is WIFOM to the nth degree. You have no idea how the game is balance, how many newbs are mafia or if the host RNGed the alignments, basing *anything* on "this is how the host would have balanced it" is bad play at the very least.
I eagerly await your case against jackal however.
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EBWOP: That RedFF had crafted Varpulis' role
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Yeah Jackal is terrible at this game.
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Just reminding people to kill me. 
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I am playing at the wsop pretty much 12+ hours a day everyday this month. I can only check this thread on my phone and I was still able to see obvious logical reasons palmar wasn't mafia that you guys seem to have been oblivious to. Wtf do you mean wiggles didn't have kp? He had 2kp he even killed desk!
And no it's not wifom GM. Go back and look through previous games and tell me I am not correct on how hosts balance most games. You and jackal have both played a lot of games how many full games have you seen with 1 vet and all noobs on the mafia team? I would guess never. As a vet and host you should know this.
I know this is anecdotal but you guys are using the exact same arguments Kita used when I pegged him as GF last game. Who ever said I was good? You are just picking on a easy target. All your arguments are wifom blah blah blah. Hopefully db will come in here and back me up here since he played with me last game.
The fact is you are both veteran players with strong reputations. GM you are known as possibly the most pro town player on TL. Yet you have contributed nothing to a pro town environment, instead you have several times promised strong analysis without actually providing any. You both are outspoken and have strong opinions when you think someone is scum and I have seen very little of that this game. And frankly you guys should be better than last minute switching away from a confirmed non town to a guy with obvious logical problems with him being mafia.
Everything points to you guys being mafia.
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So show me where you guys made pro town arguments and plays and show me who is scummier than you instead of just off handedly dismissing my arguments.
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lol if this game is balanced then I'll eat a maggot
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Agreed with most of Mig's points tonight, except that you shouldn't discard Torte just because he voted Bum. I don't think everyone on the Palmar train is mafia, and likewise I don't think everyone on the bum train is town. Anyways, in case he survives the night, lynching bum should be first order of business tomorrow, no exceptions.
Also, don't forget the option to vigi Sinani. He is either lurking scum, or a very useful townie to kill. Either way, he is not a bad shot.
Sigh I guess I better put together a full case on TDL...
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