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On June 08 2011 03:13 redFF wrote: Hey lol i'm a mason i know shit because i can pm people derp. Maybe i don't want to out people to the thread. If you don't trust and see me as town yet then i dunno what to say.
You don't have to out people to prove that TDL is a confirmed scum. Was he checked?
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Actually wait, I take that back. That's the reason why Palmar killed Chaos ><
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I really don't like the massive vote switch on palmar only a few hours before the night post...Very weird. Guess we will see the flip.
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On June 08 2011 02:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 02:53 Eternalmisfit wrote: I hope people would read the thread. The sequence of events regarding sinani (check pages 62-75) for details
Sinani asks town to kill him Mig asks whether lynching Sinani would work (raises a ?) Sinani claims only a night kill will do so. Discussion goes on during the night on whether to kill him or nor.
In Day, Mig suddenly claims that he had not read the role for sinani properly and didn't see that his role only worked at night (raised a ?). He later reveals the role.
Sinani lurks since that point apart from fist-pounding Palmar and defending him. I hoped to make him slip-up by asking to reveal his role (and check the exact description between Sinani and Mig's claims) when he was on but he disappeared after my post and only replied after 7 hours.
That pretty much covers entirety of Sinani's play apart from jumping on once a day crying ' Why didn't you kill me town?'
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I am tired of trying to read the thread and doing analysis while it is near clear that no one cares to do. I will do my role-claim (great job making such a dumb role whoever it was) sometime later in the night.
As to people still wondering whether Batman and Joker were inserted by the host in the game, I created the Batman role and I am 60-70% sure that Joker's role was created by Varpulis (at a certain point after decon got my role idea). Check the initial part of the thread where varp initially made a role which he said was boring and then later said that he has made a new role which is much more interesting.
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Also, if Palmar flips scum, I am quite sure redFF is scum. Why? He knew of 2 DTs in the game (Chaos13 and Varp) and both of them died in the first night after red knew. Read his fist-pound shenanigans at the start of the day 3 as well. He started with accusing Palmar and asking no one to fistpounds to Palmar. But instantly after Palmar claimed his new role, he made a u-turn and gave him a fist-pound. There are multiple inconsistencies in his posting but no one gives a damn since no one reads the thread. He mason's Rean in D3 after being totally against him on D2 and N2.
Sinani is directly associated with Palmar also due to the fist-pounds which made absolute no sense considering there were given to a 'vigi' who had shot a DT so obviously outed the night before. Compound, Sinani's defense for Palmar (which was prolly his only contribution today), Sinani is most likely scum. If a townie had sinani's role where he was near immune to mafia hits and was green confirmed by town, he would probably do a lot analysis and make his role count. But, once Sinani was sure that we wont be lynched, he just lurked since then. Also, his roleblock claim and asking no one to shoot him much later during D3 seems suspicious since he would have seen and claimed that earlier.
Mataza is also likely scum based on his D3 behavior. When the bomb was set to explode at 24 hr mark, he was hardcore attacking Palmar and trying to bus him. Just after the deadline was changed, his posting changed a lot and also he made a post he was regretting his actions he did assuming a 24 hr bomb. Again, no one noticed since no one gives a damn apart from deciding who to shoot on next day. He and hiro were the only ones who defended Mr. Wiggles as well. I am giving 70-30 odds of him flipping scum.
Also, people missed Kurumi's 6 KP claim in N2. It is rather unlikely to be any assassins in the game since it would need atleast three assassins in the game to make it balanced for them. 3 KP (Palmar included) + 1 Kurumi + 1 GM + 1 Mafia + 1 Karshe - doesn't add up. Also, this assumes Bum has 0 KP and is lying about his powers and/or role.
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Also, I have yet to see a strong case against Torte apart from the weak suspicion based on the fact that he passively RB'd GM (which is outside his control and was confirmed by Meapak a confirmed townie). But, if you repeat someone is scum often enough, you have enough people on the bandwagon.
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And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here.
Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target.
Here's my case against him. And the rest of my suspect lists and analysis. Take it or leave it. I am not going to bother posting anymore till night-time. I know this a rather badly constructed post and I don't care since half the people wont bother to read it anyways.
Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 02:52 GMarshal wrote:Why? Why do you want to lynch the guy who may or may not have a kp and is anti town over the guy who is anti-town and has a kp? dsjdsakdsjkdsfjk Why do you people have difficulty grasping this? I've explained it in small words. Ok, you know what? Fine, if the town is going to play crappy as hell so can I. I am declaring GM's unilateral martial law. I am going to begin inducting people who are playing notably crappy into my circle and executing them. This measure is to encourage people to think. I'm done persuading people of things, I talk with my guns now. *sniff sniff* *wiggles his tail* ##vote: Palmer
*bites*
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Did the mafia team get to elect a godfather?       
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OH SHIT PALMAR IS ASSASIN?
Oh dear god please town do me a favor and lynch him and let me live one more night. I will do anything, I will analyze anyone you want completely. I've never went against town wishes this whole game and palmar has. No we are both confirmed anti-town, give me the chance please.
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On June 08 2011 03:24 Rean wrote:Did the mafia team get to elect a godfather?        
There were no godfather elections.
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On June 08 2011 03:24 bumatlarge wrote: OH SHIT PALMAR IS ASSASIN?
Oh dear god please town do me a favor and lynch him and let me live one more night. I will do anything, I will analyze anyone you want completely. I've never went against town wishes this whole game and palmar has. No we are both confirmed anti-town, give me the chance please. lolololololololololol
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Come on now, take your head out of your ass redff and use your brain. Palmar is in the exact same situation as me, has not stopped killing power roles. What have I done? List my grievences. Do it.
There is absolutely no reason to be lynching me over palmar
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On June 08 2011 03:25 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 03:24 bumatlarge wrote: OH SHIT PALMAR IS ASSASIN?
Oh dear god please town do me a favor and lynch him and let me live one more night. I will do anything, I will analyze anyone you want completely. I've never went against town wishes this whole game and palmar has. No we are both confirmed anti-town, give me the chance please. lolololololololololol 
Don't even bother replying, this joker is dead tomorrow ^_^
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I guess it's in order I write down whatever thoughts I have.
First of all, I sincerely apologize to everyone for playing badly. I was not lying when I played the newbie card, someone said that role didn't reveal alignment, and I was convinced Chaos13 was scum, despite his role-checking powers. I decided to take a shot at him, figuring at worst I'd have killed one mafia for one town, and at best I'd go two mafia.
I clearly need to work on my scumhunting skills because they seem non-existant. I'm re-reading Ver's town guide at the moment. If anyone has more resources on how to play town and scum-hunt, then please send me that way. I desperately need it. I'm good enough at talking and lying, but I have no idea how to spot scummyness it seems.
So yeah, I hope people don't rage to hard, I hate the fact I was given such a powerful role with so little experience, and I hope you will all welcome me in future games.
Here are my thoughts on some of the current players in the game.
redFF: He's defending me, which is sensible, but might also be a very good way of getting rid of suspicion. I felt early on that he was giving me scum vibes, but his actions seem relatively pro town. He might know I won't flip scum, and be using this to get rid of suspicion
DropBear: has completely failed to create any discussion with his analysis. He seems to have told the truth about his "paranoid gun owner" type of role, which is pro town. I like him for a green.
Hiro Protagonist: Confirmed the role for MrWiggles, I think he is a good green candidate too.
Sinani206: He asked to be killed on night one to revive BC, very likely town.
Jackal: I'm not quite sure. I think I want to paint him town thanks to his aggressive behavior, but I don't really know any meta on him, so it might be how he plays. He seems to have good intentions in what he does.
Torte: Randomly roleblocking people is just bad, you should bomb or lynch this guy because even if he's pro-town, he's making the game harder at random.
Kurumi: Just get rid of him already. If GMarshal is unable to do it then lynch him.
GMarshal: He has failed to contribute anything than bandwagon me which won't look good for him when I don't flip scum. He's basically responsible for saving bumatlarge at the moment. I would have a look into flipping him at some point. I'd say he's scum.
Cthsazsa: Probably town, I don't really have much to back it up. I just think he is.
Bumatlarge: Definitely mafia.
Karshe: Pro town, I'd recommend keeping him around as long as the bombs get strapped where they should be strapped. I said earlier today that I thought he was scummy, but these last hours have changed my mind on him.
Stefftastiq: Should be forced to contribute. I'd have a look into him being an anti-town role, even scum.
Eternalmisfit: I'm not sure on him. I still think he is acting quite scummy, going after players I think or know are not scum, and suggesting that he has some breadcrumbed information. I like him as possible scum.
Pandain: Zero read, nada. I'm very disappointed Kenpachi ragequit out of the game.
Mig: Probably town, I don't have much on him.
Amber[Light]: Probably town, I hope someone has checked him because he's impossible to read with the posting restriction I gave him. By the way, I designed the role to be flexible (ie feel free to add your own dog emotions). His role is only good as long as it's kept secret, sadly this goes for both sides, so I'll take the secret to the grave.
Barundar: Weird and indecisive is my read on him. once more someone I'm not comfortable with as town. I think he deserves a check or flip, unless he provides something useful for town.
Rean: I just don't know... ain't got nothing on him.
tnkted: probably town, confirmed my role when it was a lie, which is pro-town, as my lie would only benefit town.
I'm sorry, I won't be around again until around lynch time. I will pop in to say GG. I hope people will not shun me from games or something for my bad play.
I will flip town, I just claimed assassin hoping to get rid of the lynch train on me, after failing on the chaos13 thing. I was hoping the town would actually do a useful lynch today, and then assassins would kill me, and thus ending my streak of uselessness. Alas, that was not to be.
Good game people, I feel like shit, I'm sorry.
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On June 08 2011 02:53 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Mataza is also likely scum based on his D3 behavior. When the bomb was set to explode at 24 hr mark, he was hardcore attacking Palmar and trying to bus him. Just after the deadline was changed, his posting changed a lot and also he made a post he was regretting his actions he did assuming a 24 hr bomb. Again, no one noticed since no one gives a damn apart from deciding who to shoot on next day. He and hiro were the only ones who defended Mr. Wiggles as well. I am giving 70-30 odds of him flipping scum.
Actually pretty fine post, but you´re maybe making it too easy. I dropped my hard course against Palmar because he confirmed himself as anti town. Now we have again 3 anti town players:
We need to kill all of those 3. There is no use digging in a open door, so I don´t see any reason to still focus my play only around Palmar. Palmar actually is the first anti town player in the game which we can actually kill at night. You know, so our KP doesn´t go towards innocent townies like the other nights.
Also Kurumi claimed that his role reveals *possible* kp for the night he uses it. Not all available kp for the entire game. Also Kurumi could simply lie since he is anti town. Failmath right there. If Varpulis created Bums role, there is no way to confirm it ever.
On another issue, in the back of my mind I have the nagging feeling that TdL´s blocking ability holds back an entire shitstorm of nasty role powers. Then again, when you finally find out how his role works you can backtrack who has been blocked to deduce where the nastyness coems from. (Meapak said he can confirm that GMarshal must´ve been blocked, so it is triggered by something visible, like voting behavior)
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Ignore posts from: RedFF TDL Bumatlarge Palmar They're scum. Everything they say is just pile of wifom/lies/aliens
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On June 08 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote: Ignore posts from: RedFF TDL Bumatlarge Palmar They're scum. Everything they say is just pile of wifom/lies/aliens haha you claimed SK stfu please. I do agree that we ignore TDL and BUmatlarge. Have I been hardcore busing 2 of my team mates since day 2????
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Similarly, ignore Kurumi because he's scum aswell :D
Switching votes to Palmar upon hearing Decon's answer.
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Also,I'd like You Townies to rethink everything around me. Look at the facts: I need 4KP or 3KP+roleblock to get killed. How many KP mafia has RIGHT NOW? 2KP. How many KP mafia will have after Palmar lynch? 1KP. 3Nights(or 4!) just to get rid of little Kurumi? Aren't they pushing too hard to kill me? <3
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You forgot to put yourself on the list Kurumi
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On June 08 2011 03:41 Mataza wrote:You forgot to put yourself on the list Kurumi  how about you make a list like palmar did about your town/scum reads since you are dying soon...
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Dude, failmath. If your claim was honest, you can bind 1 killpower in an endless cycle of delaying. Other than that, you´re an SK, which means 2 KP and you drop dead.
In short, 3KP to kill Kurumi for good. GM is already bound to him, so 2 to finish the job.
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