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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2011 16:37 GMT
#2421
On June 08 2011 01:33 Kurumi wrote:
Palmar grants second kp to mafia team,bum has no power. Who do You do You think we should lynch,GM?

Yeah, I'm switching over to Palmar.

Bomstrapping guy, can you slap one around bums neck tonight? For me?

##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 07 2011 16:37 GMT
#2422
On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote:
Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife).

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote:

GMarshal
Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those.
Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle.


Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point).

Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game.

Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean.


Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge.

The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have:

Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum?

The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway.

It just doesn't hold up.

I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game.
Computer says mafia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 07 2011 16:39 GMT
#2423
Make up my fucking mind for me Gman.
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2011 16:40 GMT
#2424
On June 08 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote:
Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife).

On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote:

GMarshal
Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those.
Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle.


Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point).

Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game.

Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean.


Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge.

The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have:

Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum?

The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway.

It just doesn't hold up.

I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game.


You claimed killing chaos13, because you are the only person with a known kp. Forestalling the question by claiming is a very nice mafia strategy, its one I tried using in PYPI.

Yeah, I think you are scum.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 07 2011 16:40 GMT
#2425
On June 08 2011 01:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:28 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:20 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:07 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 00:35 Barundar wrote:
On June 08 2011 00:30 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 00:21 Barundar wrote:
Meh I don't trust Palmar one bit, but we can deal with him tomorrow I guess. At least we get one claimed anti town tonight. I'll keep my vote on torte, with the hope that he dies tonight. Bye bye bum.


What good is keeping your vote on TDL going to do?

What good is being number 13 or 14 on the bum lynch going to do? Bum is pretty dead with or without me by the looks of things, I'll stay where I'm most certain of scum.


You think he's scum because of the fact that his posts hardly contribute and aren't even helpful, yet you don't completely think he's anti-town because of his argument with Kurumi.?
There's other people who've been contributing far less than Torte, people who haven't contributed shit to discussion, such as Sinani.

I don't believe his claim that his death will revive someone. He says that he has to be killed for it to work, as lynching will do no good. Wtf is that? His role probably involves killing people that visit him. No one confirmed, meaning his creator's probably dead.
Post that sticks out to me:

On June 02 2011 09:28 sinani206 wrote:
I'm sure that there's more than one killing role...


Obvious attempt to draw our vigis to visit him, so that they die?

I'm not buying any of Sinani's bullshit. I don't understand how you guys are missing this, I don't understand how you guys are letting Sinani fly under the radar, and I definitely don't understand how you think TDL is more scummy then this guy/

Sinani's claim matches the claim of the person that claimed he made it. If he isn't what he said he is we have 2 scum. I don't know what his alignment is though. BC was opposed to Sinani's death. So it's possible if Sinani dies we get Mr. Wiggles back in the game. Provided he was truthful about his role.


Wait who claimed they created Sinani's role? I missed it

It's not in the thread. And at this point in time I'm not going to out him.


Lol,
t(ツ)t
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 16:47 GMT
#2426
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"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 07 2011 16:48 GMT
#2427
On June 08 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote:
Make up my fucking mind for me Gman.


Do it yourself.

Killing me today is stupid.

Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this?

-> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred
-> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble
-> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have
-> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll.
-> Step 5: Get killed

4 mafia down, go us!

This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 07 2011 16:51 GMT
#2428
On June 08 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote:
Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife).

On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote:

GMarshal
Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those.
Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle.


Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point).

Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game.

Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean.


Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge.

The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have:

Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum?

The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway.

It just doesn't hold up.

I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game.


You claimed killing chaos13, because you are the only person with a known kp. Forestalling the question by claiming is a very nice mafia strategy, its one I tried using in PYPI.

Yeah, I think you are scum.


I'll tell you who else has a known KP

THE GODDAMN MAFIA.

Meapak died from Dropbear, Kurumi claimed the kitaman shot.

The mafia would have known they did not hit Meapak.

It's astonishing you still think this. Town, you should definitely check GMarshal, he isn't this thick, so he's definitely got something in the works.
Computer says mafia
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
June 07 2011 16:54 GMT
#2429
On June 08 2011 01:27 Cthsazsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 10:07 chaos13 wrote:
I don't want you to kill sinani.

Live Sinani206


Could have been a hint that Chaos13 created Sinani's role, but I have doubts. He didn't push hard enough, as this was the only post I saw. Of course there was Mig, redFF, and Mataza (I think) who were against killing Sinani.
I don't buy his 100% revival claim. His role claim was also stupid. He should have been trying to bait mafia shots, instead it looks like he's trying to bait vigi shots on him.

I'm almost completely sure I read whoever made his role confirmed it, otherwise I would have put sinani on my inactivity lists. If I'm wrong, my bad. You are right it could be a scum move to ask for hits, but considering how willing people have been to shoot everywhere, I'd consider it a huge gamble. In any case I should go back and check sinanis roleclaim, urgh. Why is this game so hard to read...

Torte has been arguing with Kurumi sure, but that seems to be all he has done. He has consistently played the noob card, and talked to his accusers instead of trying to find scum, and now he has disappeared again. I don't see why you defend him.
Bartundar
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 07 2011 16:57 GMT
#2430
Did Mafia stack on Chaos13 or Kitaman27?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2011 16:57 GMT
#2431
On June 08 2011 01:48 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote:
Make up my fucking mind for me Gman.


Do it yourself.

Killing me today is stupid.

Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this?

-> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred
-> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble
-> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have
-> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll.
-> Step 5: Get killed

4 mafia down, go us!

This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive.


Actually its more like.

Step 1: FUCK, mole is uber DT. I have to kill it! Might as well make the best of a shitty situation and get some cred.
Step 2: Fuck, a red dt check. Have to bus. No choice.
Step 3: I think I have enough cred to get away with killing a town DT, let me try it.
Step 4: SHIT, they weren't as fucking stupid as I thought... I guess I have to bus bum as hard as humanly possible so I can still deal some damaged.
Step 5: Well, it looks like they might actually get me lynched. SK claim sort of worked for my useless buddy bum, assassin would have been better though, I'm pretty sure there are no assassins in the game, let me try that.
Step 6: Shoot townies at night, claim bus, mind control, or just "playing to my win condition", town can barely lynch me

That sounds much more like what happened.
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PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 07 2011 17:00 GMT
#2432
Mafia didn't get a kill last night. DropBear killed meapak, Kurumi got kita, and Palmar got Chaos13.
As far as I know they didn't pm their kill or they got roleblocked.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 07 2011 17:01 GMT
#2433
Damn you GMan, you're soo convincing >_>
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#2434
EBWOP: I will be keeping my vote on Bum.
Karshe you need to plant a bomb on Palmar.
t(ツ)t
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#2435
Cthzazsa I was mentioning this multiple times before(how bs Palmar non-scum claim is) T_T
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#2436
On June 08 2011 02:03 Cthsazsa wrote:
EBWOP: I will be keeping my vote on Bum.
Karshe you need to plant a bomb on Palmar.

NO,LYNCH PALMAR,BOMB BUM ><
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 07 2011 17:09 GMT
#2437
On June 08 2011 01:57 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:48 Palmar wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote:
Make up my fucking mind for me Gman.


Do it yourself.

Killing me today is stupid.

Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this?

-> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred
-> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble
-> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have
-> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll.
-> Step 5: Get killed

4 mafia down, go us!

This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive.


Actually its more like.

Step 1: FUCK, mole is uber DT. I have to kill it! Might as well make the best of a shitty situation and get some cred.
Step 2: Fuck, a red dt check. Have to bus. No choice.
Step 3: I think I have enough cred to get away with killing a town DT, let me try it.
Step 4: SHIT, they weren't as fucking stupid as I thought... I guess I have to bus bum as hard as humanly possible so I can still deal some damaged.
Step 5: Well, it looks like they might actually get me lynched. SK claim sort of worked for my useless buddy bum, assassin would have been better though, I'm pretty sure there are no assassins in the game, let me try that.
Step 6: Shoot townies at night, claim bus, mind control, or just "playing to my win condition", town can barely lynch me

That sounds much more like what happened.


Palmar, I wanna see your counter-argument to this.
t(ツ)t
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4405 Posts
June 07 2011 17:10 GMT
#2438
Still having net troubles. I haven't actually read the last like 20 pages cos it take too long for them to load . Our download quota resets tomorrow (hopefully) so will be able to read up properly then.

Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum.
Sucker for nostalgia
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
June 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#2439
On June 08 2011 02:10 DropBear wrote:
Still having net troubles. I haven't actually read the last like 20 pages cos it take too long for them to load . Our download quota resets tomorrow (hopefully) so will be able to read up properly then.

Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum.

He's scum.
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#2440
On June 08 2011 02:10 DropBear wrote:
Still having net troubles. I haven't actually read the last like 20 pages cos it take too long for them to load . Our download quota resets tomorrow (hopefully) so will be able to read up properly then.

Can someone summarise for me very quickly why Palmar is a major lynch target? I still don't trust bum.


He shot chaos13.
Lied about his role, twice, once to secure an extra kp, so he could shoot again tonight.
Then he claimed assassin, and offered to "ally" with the town.
He is scum to the core, and he is busing his buddy bum so the mafia can have an extra KP tonight.
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