EPTI've only played one game (as a smurf in RoL's last experiment). Looking forward to the fun/experience!
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Karshe
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I've only played one game (as a smurf in RoL's last experiment). Looking forward to the fun/experience! | ||
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
First post here, I have caught up with the thread. As others have said, there's no real reason to suspect Mataza yet. The majority of us are fairly new to the game, and Mataza making the first "quality" post shouldn't be considered suspicious. The only thing to watch for is scum posting general tips/math to gain town cred while not actually helping our hunt. And yes, I realize I could qualify under that last statement. =P Looking forward to scum hunting with you all. Hopefully we'll get lots of posts today and get to know everyone. | ||
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Karshe
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That said, hopefully we're discussing this for no reason and we'll hear from everyone today.  | ||
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Karshe
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I've got caught up, and here are my thoughts. I am most suspicious of Mataza right now. I wouldn't go as far to vote him, yet, but I have my reservations. Since this is openly a noobie game, this was my first thought going into the game: On May 17 2011 00:56 Karshe wrote: The only thing to watch for is scum posting general tips/math to gain town cred while not actually helping our hunt. And yes, I realize I could qualify under that last statement. =P and this was one of Mataza's first posts: On May 16 2011 12:16 Mataza wrote: Small math problem. 12 day1 ly nk 10 day2 ly nk 8 day 3 ly nk 6 day4 So scum is forced to lay really low, if they ever want to stand a chance. To newer players to the game--myself somewhat included--this sounds like a foreign language and some may think, "Man, he knows what he's talking about... I better listen to what this guy has to say." I propose that was Mataza's intention for posting the math so early on. On May 17 2011 02:49 Mataza wrote: I am curious what these various questions. So far I only gathered one: "Tell us why you´re/you´re not mafia!" I very well might be mafia, as everyone of you might be mafia too. But I can´t go ahead and tell you my plans before half the people posted, because then these plans wouldn´t work.(Since mafia would know what to do or what not to do.) About the inactives: Dependant on the number of inactives, it´s not a bad idea to lynch them. Low activity means they aren´t really helping the town and therefore it´s not a big loss. We wouldn´t lose any amount of discussion. But we can´t do that right now, because a) the day isn´t nearly over and b) there are too many. But people who do not post/do no vote are modkilled at the end of the cycle. One of Mataza's next longer posts, which can be summarized to rephrasing things that have already been said I would argue that even for a noobie game, a lot of this is stating common sense. Yes, we know you could be mafia. That's how the game works. I feel this is another example of gaining town cred while not actually contributing. It looks as though my main argument was also noticed by Giygas (to give credit where credit is due): On May 16 2011 15:52 GiygaS wrote: Mhm, and you've also mentioned the Mafia's purported strategy, which is to stay under the radar. Something you haven't done. If you wanted someone to go off the path of finding the mafia, you would say that the strategy they would perform would be completely opposite to what you were doing. Also, you were the first one to make basic rules to know HE IS THE MAFIA. I believe that Mataza attempted to put an early notion into newer players heads that mafia will attempt to lay as low as possible, while he himself is a mafia and one of the most active posters. My initial gut feeling thus far is that Giygas is town. I feel as though he has done a great job at generating discussion without having done anything I can point out as shady. I haven't made a decision on VisceraEyes yet, for now he is an active poster and I would personally rather lynch an inactive compared to a helpful/active poster on Day 1, if that's what it comes down to. Sorry to wrap this up short but I haven't eaten dinner yet. I will check in before bed for updates. | ||
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Karshe
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I, too, questioned Mataza's early cop claim, but was hesitant to bring light to it. I'm not sure I buy your reasoning, and there's always LAL (lynch all liars). I'm not convinced you're mafia yet, but I'll be keeping an eye on your posts. Taking a look at others, I am growing increasingly suspicious of Palmar. On May 17 2011 00:54 Palmar wrote: I'm more worried about the quiet people, it's only been 13 hours or so, but we're still missing half the town in the action. If people don't post people don't make mistakes. So please type in a few sentences so we know you're alive Getting easy town cred while not really contributing and just saying, "where is everyone?" On May 17 2011 02:50 Palmar wrote: Why would it take effort to create a first post? Even if you say something completely retarded it's fine as long as you have nothing to hide. Barring revealing a blue power role, anything you say in your first post will just be that... a simple first post. Not contributing. Then, his most eye raising act, he then takes it upon himself to defend Mataza, the town's biggest point of discussion, while pointing a completely random finger away from Mataza. And I mean, he really defends Mataza. My only concern is if both Mataza and Palmar were scum, Palmar wouldn't be defending Mataza so blantantly (and oddly). I'll be keeping an eye on your posts as well. To finish with: I am still not sold on Gigyas being scum, but it may be at this point that I'm just taking Mataza's posts with a grain of salt. I will re-read Gigyas' posts in a bit with an open mind. | ||
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Karshe
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On May 17 2011 22:04 Palmar wrote: @purplehaze... you're an idiot, but you're not scum, or at least you're not an obvious scum. There's no need for that. This a openly a noobie game, many of us are still learning the ropes... there's no need for name calling. All it will do is discourage further posting and create a negative atmosphere. We're all here to have fun lynching mafia, right? | ||
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Karshe
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We're glad you were able to make it, but we need you to post more information. If you're thinking you will not be able to play as a result of real life, you can request a replacement. Otherwise, we will need you to post more analysis and not just bandwagon... or you risk being lynched as a result of being a non-helpful townie. | ||
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Karshe
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To reiterate what Palmar has said, On May 18 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote: But I'd rather have to filter through tons of bad information injected by mafia, than having no information at all and just playing a guessing game. and my own stance on Day 1: On May 17 2011 01:53 Karshe wrote: Inactives are a mixed bag for me. I agree that lynching them isn't the wisest choice because there's a low chance they are mafia... but inactives also irritate me to no end. I understand that RL > TL and things come up, but why join the game if you're not going to play? It just ruins the spirit of the game for me and I have low tolerence/patience for inactives. I have a low tolerance for inactive players. I am still very suspicious of Mataza, but I would much rather have him in the game and posting consistantly compared to someone who posts once in this thread and once in the vote thread. Lynching an inactive poster may not give us very much information on Day 2, but I believe it will help us in the long run because we will have more information to dissect from active players in future days. So, my intetion is to vote for an inactive as we get closer to night time. I'm allowing more time for those inactive to post some analysis, or request a replacement. | ||
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Karshe
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But my stance has been made. | ||
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Karshe
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I feel like we've got some scum lurking and waiting to put in a last minute vote to bandwagon whoever the town has decided on. | ||
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On May 18 2011 07:41 Mataza wrote: Karshe may have jumped on the bandwagon so late that it passes by unnoticed, but he said he sounded sure Giygas is town and I am mafia. After he noticed the bandwagon was dead, he instantly dropped suspicion on me and now wants to lynch inactives. By now I am pretty sure that no mafia is inactive, but instead very outspoken. I haven't bandwagon'd anyone, including you. I still have suspicions that you are mafia, I have not dropped anything at all. However, what I have said is: On May 18 2011 05:18 Karshe wrote: I have a low tolerance for inactive players. I am still very suspicious of Mataza, but I would much rather have him in the game and posting consistantly compared to someone who posts once in this thread and once in the vote thread. Lynching an inactive poster may not give us very much information on Day 2, but I believe it will help us in the long run because we will have more information to dissect from active players in future days. I would rather vote an inactive who isn't contributing anything to the fun/game at all, rather than someone (you) who I believe to be shady but at least is actively participating. I have already stated why: we may have less information on Day 2, but more information in the future. To answer purplehaze's question from earlier, if I had to pick a Day 2 lynch right now, it would be Mataza. I feel like you're trying to derail every lynch attempt, and you yourself have said: On May 18 2011 02:01 Mataza wrote: Common sense: Active mafia will try to disrupt town conversation. I still question your motives as well. So far you have been quoted as saying "Mafia will try to lurk!" while being the most active poster, and now you're saying, "Mafia are bandwagoning! By the way, I have never bandwagoned!" *wink wink nudge nudge* I am about to leave for work, I will vote for an inactive in 30 minutes when I get home if they have not posted yet. | ||
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Karshe
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Be back in a bit. | ||
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Karshe
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On May 18 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I will be doing no more analysis and I'll be skirting being mod-killed until I'm either lynched or murdered, just so there's another green inactive that they can coerce you all to lynch. gg Maf. Wtf? What kind of lame attitude is that? Thanks for playing, man. Really appreciate the effort. | ||
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Karshe
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Karshe
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How odd that I've rallied against you from the start, you've complete ignored or waived off my most recent red flags I've raised against you... and now you're trying to convince others to vote for me? Familiar with the term 'OMGUS' ? | ||
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Karshe
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Just wanted to make it clear that I was being dramatic/sarcastic, so later someone doesn't quote me and say "OMG Karshe admitted to being mafia!" Also, since sarcasm does not always translate online. But I'm guessing you already knew that and you're just trying to get a rise out of me. =P | ||
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Karshe
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Happy reading! | ||
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Karshe
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I definitely have pie on my face for putting Giygas' name in green. ~_~ I understand this may put me towards the top of some lists. Hopefully as I go back and read the thread, there will be others who will have tried to defend him as well. | ||
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Karshe
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All I can really say is that I had a horrible read, apparently. | ||
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Karshe
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He was going so out of his way to discredit Giygas who ended up flipping red. Either he's a great townie, or a very ballsy mafia. I am most suspicious of VisceraEyes at the moment... going to re-read all of his posts today and see what I can come up with. | ||
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Karshe
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I would love to be proven wrong, though, since you both have been very active/useful players. | ||
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Karshe
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On May 19 2011 07:57 Mataza wrote: On the other hand Karshe is calm, collected and utterly wrong. Haha, this is a great description of how I feel right now. In regards to your concerns: On May 19 2011 07:49 Mataza wrote: I am very suspicious of Karshe. -He referred the fact, that this is "openly a newbie game" multiple times. He wants us to take it easy. -While he did that, he referred also to some more advanced concepts, like OMGUS and Lynch All Liars. -He did a small chainsaw defense for Giygas, blaming me while saying Giygas is town. Had no opinion on Visceras *at all*(Which is kinda hard, because Giygas obviously copied all his behaviour from Viscera). He needs a good explanation for that. Dissect it from Scum logic/logic translation. -He accuses me of going for "noobtown" cred by explaining some more methodical stuff. All the while he did that too.(OMGUS, LAL) I mentioned that it was a noobie game twice that I remember. The first after your math that some didn't understand, and again when a personal insult was used. The "advanced concepts" you referred to aren't all that advanced... in fact, after my play thus far I'm not sure how you could describe me as advanced. I wasn't intending to chainsaw anyone. The only reason I used your name and Giygas' name in the same post--as well as posting my uncertainty regarding Vis--was in direct response to your question here, On May 17 2011 10:12 Mataza wrote: For the sake of having material, I request Palmar, Hiro Protagonist, Deepblue, Steff, Karshe and Nard to mouth their opinion on whether Mataza, Viscera eyes or Giygas might be mafia. I was all ready to come home and dissect Viscera's posts but since I lasted posted, Vis has posted some pretty convincing stuff. At this point I'm also unable to put any blame on you, Mataza. So after my bad reading of Giygas yesterday, at this point I'm kind of at a loss. I'm starting to feel like we're all a group of townies pointing fingers at each other because we're the only ones posting, while the mafia are hiding in the background coming up with their single post of the day. If I'm put on the chopping block on Day 2 for putting Giygas' name in green, so be it. I'm not able to take it back. I'm just a noob townie who put the wrong name in a hat and all I can do is continue looking for discrepancies. It would help if everyone were actively posting, though.  | ||
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Looking forward to the next game with you all! | ||
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