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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 10 2011 05:45 GMT
#119
This has got to be the stupidest and craziest mafia game I've ever seen. There's no way I don't want /in.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 10 2011 09:52 GMT
#122
On May 10 2011 14:48 Qatol wrote:
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On May 10 2011 14:45 Scamp wrote:
This has got to be the stupidest and craziest mafia game I've ever seen. There's no way I don't want /in.

This totally made dreamflower's night. She says hi and that she loves your profile pic.


Nice. It's cool to be remembered by some since I've been away for quite a while. Tell her I say hi back and thanks, but I suspect you won't have to since she'll probably just read this.


I'm not sure if Ver misread my /in or if it wasn't explicitly clear enough. But if the game is full after Ace then I'll sign up as a replacement.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 10 2011 23:22 GMT
#150
On May 11 2011 01:03 chaoser wrote:
I remember you scamp! As soon as you signed up I was like "lul, scamp is playing" on IRC. Remember when you blew shit up in Plexa's summer mafia?


I probably do, but I'd have to go back and check exactly which game that was. For being a mostly passive player I've had my share of interesting moments.

Also it seems I've missed a lot of drama. Mafia has never been an easy game to play.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 12 2011 14:26 GMT
#180
Difficult to balance, maybe, but not impossible. It's not unheard of to account for wild variation, and smart picking is factored into the balance. If one team simply picks way better roles than the other, for example, that's a problem with team balance and not necessarily game balance.


I think the problem with balance theory here is that this format is generally largely untested, and it's also quite difficult to apply the standard game to this one. In general, I'd say to err on the side of being advantageous to town. Therefore I'd say 1KP, which will give people with roles more time to use them and also may encourage people to try to get roles as well.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2011 01:54 GMT
#243
Checking used roles doesn't really work. All mafia has to do if they're in the top 5 or whatever is pick a role that's really beneficial to them. Then they have their buddy that picks last take the role that they were supposed to take. Now if you check if the role went off....well it did.

Unless you want to assign check-picks to numbers 15-20 or something like that.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2011 02:13 GMT
#245
No, you're not misunderstanding my post but how you came up with that example is beyond me.

Unless all roles, when used, also show who used them. Which I don't think they do.

The only flaw otherwise is if the buddy gets killed.

And the check-picks was a joke. But at least I know you got it.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2011 02:42 GMT
#250
While your plan does make more sense now, there are simply way too many factors for the plan to work in my eyes.

Furthermore, it seems to me like it'd be even easier for the mafia to direct the town. If the position at #8 does get revealed, now everyone has to focus on that person unless you want to lynch the hero of the town.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2011 06:20 GMT
#276
I know, right? If this game isn't fun then I'm going to lose all hope in my ability to deduce anything.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2011 18:52 GMT
#296
Barundar - The mafia know who the mole(s) are. The moles don't know they're moles or who the mafia are until day 3.

Caller - I dunno how you can call my arguments bad if you think GMarshal's plan is weak. And while I certainly didn't understand some of the intricacies of his plan I certainly didn't flip-flop on anything.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 15 2011 04:21 GMT
#347
You should have chosen a more effective symbol, then.

Case in point: I picked 7-11 which I can see from my home.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 15 2011 20:23 GMT
#412
I'm really confused about Radfield's no-pick list. He introduces it as his own creation but it's actually just a copy-paste of Bumatlarge's list with a few odd changes. Firstly, he replaces Janitor with the Day Vig and then adds Janitor back on the list toward the end.

Next, he replaces both godfather roles with the recruiting mason. Caller GF is in his top 6 so that makes sense but why remove the other godfather role from the no-pick list, and what's bad about taking recruiting mason?

Finally, he removed 'traitors' from the list. Why would you do this? He replaced it with the PYP3 Veteran. Why add that and not, say, hero or rock star?

Why does neither no-pick list have the framer? That seems pretty anti-town to me.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 15 2011 21:39 GMT
#420
Actually, I think I need to relax and re-read, since I just committed a staggering number of obvious oversights.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2011 00:00 GMT
#435
Selected my role. Going to sleep now.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2011 07:17 GMT
#469
On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote:
I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members.


Why are you so sure, hmmmm?

Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2011 08:03 GMT
#474
On May 16 2011 16:36 Node wrote:
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On May 16 2011 16:17 Scamp wrote:
On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote:
I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members.


Why are you so sure, hmmmm?

Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number?


Basically, mafia could be anywhere on the list, and it would be foolish to assume that we can find mafia based on the numbers that are picked until we've actually deduced a pattern by killing mafia. The only thing that's even remotely safe to say is that mafia numbers probably wouldn't overlap, but even then that's pure WIFOM.

Also, since Kurumi is the first person to get a vote, I'll say what I think of him. In TL Mafia XXXIX he got lynched day 1 because his posts were often confusing due to his lack of English skills and then even if you did figure out what he was trying to say it had little to no bearing on the game. That time, he was a townie.

I do think after that experience he's smart enough to not do the same thing again, but just be aware that even though Kurumi can be confusing at times, it's not necessarily an indication that he's scum. Let's try to look for the intentions behind his posts instead. I would like to hear his thoughts now that roles have been handed out.


Why did you answer a question that was asked of someone else?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2011 08:50 GMT
#479
On May 16 2011 17:12 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 16:17 Scamp wrote:
Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number?


This looked like a more general question. Yes, I realize there's a "you" there, but a) it's relevant to how we collectively proceed and b) I don't see what you have to gain by having a specific person answer it.


I think it's fairly obvious that I have suspicions of KillerSOS so I wanted him to explain himself, is all.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2011 00:15 GMT
#582
On May 17 2011 08:48 Radfield wrote:
Scamp? Are you there? Anything to add to the general discussion? I'd like you to know that i'm operating under the general impression that you drafted Inventor. Therefore, if something ambiguous or anti-town is invented tonight, I'll probably push for your lynch. However, if you didn't take Inventor, it's possible you may want to state that outright.


Nothing much to add to the general discussion at this point. There's only two things I'm curious about right now. First is with all the talk about checking vote lists, did someone confirm a list check role?

Second is if OriginalName is going to ever speak again.

I'm not going to state at this point whether or not I took Inventor. Someone might steal my patents if I am. Still, if someone does invent something I doubt it'll be as obvious as a 'town-seeking missile' or whatnot.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2011 00:16 GMT
#583
Deconduo how is getting yourself lynched a useful thing?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2011 01:34 GMT
#598
Good to have you with us now Decon, although this puts the whole "go ahead and lynch me" thing from earlier under a much more unfavorable light.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2011 02:52 GMT
#615
Um, town don't invite you to lynch them either. And actually getting you to lynch other people is more town than mafia, IMO. Anyone can argue that they're not mafia. It's much harder to fake a case on someone else, and it's way more useful to town if you're actually not faking.

While my posts haven't exactly been substantial I certainly wouldn't classify them as evasive.
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