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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 03 2011 18:33 GMT
#6
/in
lets eat some brainz
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
May 03 2011 20:45 GMT
#23
On May 04 2011 05:34 VarpuliS wrote:
If only I weren't in TL Mafia XXXIX...

Oh,so I can't be in both,right.
so
/out of this
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 06 2011 17:02 GMT
#54
Got lynched TT
/in I guess
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 09 2011 17:20 GMT
#89
Qatol,Plexa?
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
May 09 2011 18:29 GMT
#95
On May 10 2011 03:25 Qatol wrote:
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On May 10 2011 02:23 Barundar wrote:
Hm I can't keep track of you oldtimers. L?

L is on the ban list. Try again!

My guess is correct based on that You didn't comment it?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 10 2011 15:51 GMT
#126
On May 10 2011 20:58 Jackal58 wrote:
Since Flamewheel is playing and Co-hosting should we just post our night actions in the thread?

Also sign up more please.The closer we are to 30 the higher the level of insanity and lulz.

So many quality tunneling targets. I'm going to have a hard time choosing who to pick on on day 1.

Pick me,I will die regardless of it and You can take credit for it!
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 13:00:40
May 12 2011 12:37 GMT
#178
I'd rather see 6mafia/moles with 1 kp.
When the Draft starts? I don't want to miss it.
EDIT:
Mass killing during the night might end game quickly with wrong ideas from KP-wielding players or good,manipulative Scum team.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 13 2011 20:08 GMT
#211
On May 14 2011 04:46 Node wrote:
Starting today? :D

Yes,but exactly when besides Friday Night? I am one of those pesky Europeans who rather sleep at night <3
When are we going to draft the numbers,when the game starts?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 13 2011 20:12 GMT
#213
On May 14 2011 05:10 Qatol wrote:
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On May 14 2011 05:08 Kurumi wrote:
On May 14 2011 04:46 Node wrote:
Starting today? :D

Yes,but exactly when besides Friday Night? I am one of those pesky Europeans who rather sleep at night <3
When are we going to draft the numbers,when the game starts?

Drafting numbers happens in the first 24 hours of the game. You won't be missing too much by being asleep when the game starts.

Thanks a lot! Really hyped for that weird-insane game,looking forward to living more than a day!
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 14 2011 09:18 GMT
#279
I am so invisible that Incognito did not even mention me in his post!
Hello of course on Day1,hope we will have a lot fun from now on
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 14 2011 19:21 GMT
#301
I am not up for any plan. If we choose one,we will have a major problem:they will try to find weakness of it,that's why I think planning has no future,we just need to use common sense (like Node wrote,picking PoD will most likely get You lynched,even if You will be townie) Focusing on KP,anti-KP,lynch roles has it pluses,but when You have A,enemy can have B,which effectively counters A or they just do some-kind of workaround.
Scum wants chaos or a plan. A chaos under control is what they can't foresee.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#315
On May 15 2011 06:37 infinitestory wrote:
I don't like this "let's stop planning" idea.

I don't want to entirely stop planning,I just think that planning EVERYTHING is bad. We need to leave some space for random events,because as I said every plan has a flaw and we're planning here,nowhere else and everyone else sees it,be it Townie or Scum.
If we go with "Ok guys,lets take as much kp roles as we can"
1.You can shoot everyone who is alive during the night
2.Wait until You supposedly know who to kill
Is that good? Of course not,because with 1 we kill each other and with 2 we have only posts to analyse (they're good enough sometimes though)
But if we go with "Ok guys,lets make majority of our roles KP,but don't forget 2-3 DT roles"
Now we're cooking,but we're still left with two options,shoot blindly or wait.
If we go with "Ok guys,lets make majority of our roles KP,take 2 DT and at least 2 anti-KP roles"
This is a bad idea,mostly because our kills can be covered by another Townie,rendering mass kill(a bad option)worse than it was before,because You're left with no kills and no KP(mostly)
My point is we can say that we mostly need X,take it,but we can't plan entire game because it leaves us with certain possibilities(I think You call it WIFOM?). The crazier combo we are going to have,the more effective it should be because it would have slight advantages and small disadvantages,not huge adv/disadv or small adv/huge disadv.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 15 2011 10:02 GMT
#382
Always the hard,boring job *mumble* fine.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 15 2011 18:32 GMT
#404
On May 16 2011 03:26 infinitestory wrote:
I think we can easily get more pro-town inventions if we think outside the box. e.g.:
A robotic dog which can seek out gunpowder. If given to a person with a gun, it'll sneeze all night and notify everyone. If not, the person gets a onetime Bullet Bill check.

Infinitestory,how can You be such a rebel? I thought this PYP is about everyone claiming their roles and alligments and then planning how the game should be played,with numbers,who drafts which role.
I think we should plan who we should check,kill,heal Night 1,Night 2,Night 3 (game should have only three nights obviously,plans are so great that they even include how long the game is) right now,every invention should be invented now,not by inventor,but us.
I mean,we need to decide who wins before it starts!
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a joke
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 15 2011 20:49 GMT
#414
On May 16 2011 05:36 kitaman27 wrote:
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On May 16 2011 03:24 Fishball wrote:
I like an item that reveals the number of moles in the game, the only unknown variable.


We know there are six mafia in total so 4+2, 5+1, or 6+0 doesn't really seem all that helpful.

Unless Ver pulls 6 moles on us just to troll and laugh sitting back while we try to figure mafia out lol
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 15 2011 21:14 GMT
#417
On May 12 2011 15:08 Ver wrote:
I'll answer all the questions in a sec, but from the looks of this, there will be 24ish people. As mafia count, including mole(s), is visible, (but mole count is not visible) we should discuss this pregame as quite honestly I'm not fully sure how to balance it.

5 Total mafia/moles, 1 kp?
5 total mafia/moles, 2 kp?
6 total mafia/moles, 1 kp?

Thoughts?

Here You go Fishball
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 16 2011 13:49 GMT
#490
Nooo T_T
Last time I mentioned the numbers I got lynched,but whatever You say Americans.
[9][13]
I don't see how it helps You but whatever.
Oh also about Incognito he might be the Village Idiot going for an idiot tactic - let them know I am an Idiot. (Flamewheel Nuke dat,random vote)
About the draft and number math - I have no idea how to interpret them,I have no experience in games like that,but I will try to prove as useful as I can be.
I know my posting can be confusing at times,but please don't jump on me on it,just ask me to make it more clear and I will try to do my best.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 16 2011 16:10 GMT
#503
On May 16 2011 23:22 Fishball wrote:
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On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote:
Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off?


Y U So Mafia?!

That's why You voted on Chezinu? Looks like asking questions is forbidden,man this game is hard.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 16 2011 19:29 GMT
#514
Since I have hour left to my bedtime(school's hardwork,and You know it when You wake up at 6:30 am,but I might make some exception based on thread's activity) I need to take an action and place my vote somewhere. I think putting it on myself would be a waste just to show that I am active and I actually play in this Mafia Game(aka avoiding modkill)
The person I am suspicious of is Fishball.
Most of his posts are one-liners and questions he could answer himself with a 5 min read through the thread. That means nothing of course, but shows how lazy and careless he is right now :p
When we were discussing about inventions he came up with following one:
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On May 16 2011 03:24 Fishball wrote:
I like an item that reveals the number of moles in the game, the only unknown variable.


I know it is kinda neat to know how many people will change their alignment on Day 3,but does that help us much? Is it this-is-important-invention-now? Rather not. The thing is there's no point in searching for moles now because there is no way we can actually prove someone's a mole,because he/she does not even know if he/she is one,that also means their pick will be more town-oriented,which means they don't pose as big threat as starting mafioso,who aimed for mafia-oriented roles from the very beginning. The point is: the true red will have more scary role than a mole,thus being bigger priority.
Did he want to confuse the inventor? Make him waste an invention? Why?
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On May 16 2011 03:29 Fishball wrote:
Don't matter.
I want to know how many, no matter the number.

On May 16 2011 03:31 Fishball wrote:
But it makes me happy.


Fiine.. But we have an objective here and it is not rather "make Yourself as happy as possible" but lynch the scum. Again this does not mean anything,but why would Fishball like to see invention like that?
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On May 17 2011 02:32 Fishball wrote:
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On May 17 2011 01:10 Kurumi wrote:
On May 16 2011 23:22 Fishball wrote:
On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote:
Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off?


Y U So Mafia?!

That's why You voted on Chezinu? Looks like asking questions is forbidden,man this game is hard.


I don't expect you to see what I see nor think as I think, and I'm not going into oh-so-in-depth explanations for everything I do.
At the end, I act as I please; Feel free to interpret it any way you want.


He still didn't justify his Chezinu vote. Is it pressure? A trick?
Why he hides under "Not Your interest,go away"? Also I don't want You to go in-depth with everything but votes are certainly something which we shouldn't throw around.
I am going to vote for Fishball now,because he is suspicious in my opinion,it does not need to mean he is scum,but he should have a reasoning behind his actions.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 17 2011 13:09 GMT
#675
Fishball has done nothing about my suspicion on him,yet he spreads even more chaos with the "joke" nuke,my vote will stay there until someone else shows more suspicious.
I will re-read Barundar's posts now and maybe write something useful based on those.

PS.Funny how Incognito listed me as Invisible Poster again,while I wrote some posts and backed up my Fishball vote.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 17 2011 13:55 GMT
#677
I will focus on this post,because I feel like it has the biggest potential to be analysed,I might check others too.
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On May 17 2011 16:11 Barundar wrote:
Seems like you have all forgotten about the copy cat. With our first lynch we have an excellent opportunity to let the town decide what role the copy cat gets. If we lynch a vanilla, like deconduo claims to be, we effectively let scum decide who they want the copy cat to be, an easy choice is to just shoot into the top and grap a free role.

Now I have no idea if copy cat went to mafia this time, but it certainly did last time I played.

For the same reason I would be against lynching Scamp. He is number 2 pick, he is bound to have a sick role. If we give that role to the copy cat, we just end up with a sick role in an unknown position. I agree scamp is suspicious, but we will have to deal with him another day.

Third, it helps us absolutely nothing to have ~10 suspects day 1. We won't get any information from being spread out like this, list checkers won't have anything to work with, and no one feels pressured. Not to mention with a multitude of targets, scum is going to pick who is going to get lynched, simple as. We don't need new suspects with every post, sorry to use you as an example GM, but you post you will have a look at KillerSOS, and 10 minutes later you have a finished analysis dubbing him scum. Next on your list is Dreamflower. Do you expect to nail the whole freaking team half a day into day 1?

Have a look at the voting thread. So far we have:

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Incognito: 3
Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness

deconduo: 3
kitaman27, Node, Eiii

chaoser: 2
bumatlarge, incognito

cheznu: 1
Fishball

GMarshal: 1
chaoser

Fishball: 1
kurumi

KillerSoS: 1
GMarshal

Mr.Wiggles: 1
Kavdragon

scamp: 1
deconduo


9 targets in total. 6 people with 1 vote. Now I'm sure all of you have an excellent reason for why exactly your target is scum, but it clearly isn't convincing to the rest of us. So will you please consider joining one of the other targets? I don't want to limit discussion, and if you find someone obvious scum by all means go for it, but the way this is heading we won't get much useful information going into day 2.

The three leading targets is incognito, deconduo and chaoser. Of the three I'm the least inclined to vote for deconduo for the reasons stated above. Chaoser has been dropping a bunch of one liners despite claiming to be busy. Yet the votes on incognito are the most convincing, I doubt both Ace and Foolishness would be mafia for balance purposes. I'd like to hear a better reasoning for incognitos votes than "I brought up the vote rigger combo idea, hence I must be town".

Lastly I could be convinced to a policy lynch on cheznu. Whatever role he have, I'm sure it would disappoint the Copy Cat.


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Seems like you have all forgotten about the copy cat. With our first lynch we have an excellent opportunity to let the town decide what role the copy cat gets. If we lynch a vanilla, like deconduo claims to be, we effectively let scum decide who they want the copy cat to be, an easy choice is to just shoot into the top and grap a free role.

Wait You want to lynch a townie who has the worst role? I don't get it. We should try to do our best to lynch the scum (very unlikely on Day 1,but we can still manage to) You're defending someone who claimed vanilla townie on Day1 which is SUSPICIOUS,why would You say "Guys I am really not blue/red(or whatever we name roles with power) I am just vanilla townie,don't kill me" and act weird too.
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For the same reason I would be against lynching Scamp. He is number 2 pick, he is bound to have a sick role. If we give that role to the copy cat, we just end up with a sick role in an unknown position. I agree scamp is suspicious, but we will have to deal with him another day.

"He has good role and he is 100% town,don't lynch him believe me!"
What? We should drop Scamp discussion if he does something weird because his role can be copied? You were discussing Red Copy Cat,if Scamp's red we shouldn't lynch him? What's exactly the logic behind this?
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Third, it helps us absolutely nothing to have ~10 suspects day 1

We still have enough time to deal with that many suspects.
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We won't get any information from being spread out like this, list checkers won't have anything to work with, and no one feels pressured. Not to mention with a multitude of targets, scum is going to pick who is going to get lynched, simple as.

Aha.. Wouldn't that mean checking the vote list on person lynched a good move? I mean,according to You Mafia is in charge of lynching.
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9 targets in total. 6 people with 1 vote. Now I'm sure all of you have an excellent reason for why exactly your target is scum, but it clearly isn't convincing to the rest of us. So will you please consider joining one of the other targets? I don't want to limit discussion, and if you find someone obvious scum by all means go for it, but the way this is heading we won't get much useful information going into day 2.

Probably half of the "people with 1 vote" are a temporary votes. Isn't the point of this game is to convince someone to think You're right? As Scum You want to make Town think You're Town,as Town You want Your suspect to look Scum for other Townies so You can lynch that person. There are some people who are acting suspicious and are useless to town,am I supposed to leave them be? I NEED to point out that someone's doing something wrong. I agree in the most cases that spread-out votes are bad,but we have plenty of time and there's going to be a lot more posting,Day 1 lynches are hard and it has been mentioned already in this thread.
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Lastly I could be convinced to a policy lynch on cheznu. Whatever role he have, I'm sure it would disappoint the Copy Cat.

"I don't care if he is Red or Green or actually has a good role"
Really? We're going to sacrifice (probably townie,despite his crazy posting) just to make Copy Cat bad? What if Copy Cat is actually town? What if Chezinu is the Copy Cat? We can't be sure of anything right now and lynching just because of that has no sense,why we should drop the scummiest target for "The Least Attractive for Copy Cat"?
While Your logic is a bit flawed in my opinion (lynching bad role townies instead of scum) I don't think You're Scum,but You're a bit suspicious, Barundar
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 17 2011 14:35 GMT
#679
Barundar
On May 17 2011 09:18 deconduo wrote:
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On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


If I was planning to pick VI I would hardly start off by saying 'I think I'll pick VI'

I really am just a normal townie.

Also he said he "has feeling" that he is mole.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 17 2011 15:36 GMT
#682
@Kavdragon:
First person to die on the night is going to have his/her role copied (depends who sent pm about killing someone first) and Barundar assumes that Mafia will be those first ones.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 17 2011 15:36 GMT
#683
It is in the description of Copy Cat role
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Kurumi
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Poland6130 Posts
May 18 2011 13:28 GMT
#870
Barundar,You were so against lynching a vanilla townie,now that one has been lynched,what are Your thoughts what is going to happen now?
I dislike the fact EU and US are taking turns,while the most of the discussion emerges I am peacefully sleeping/sitting in class. I think both Barundar and Kavdragon tried too hard Day1,though Kav was more aggressive. Incog on the other hand was really active too,though never overreacted,I don't think we could have the correct lynch on the Day1.
I am worried about Fishball,he does not care about me,noone cares about him too much,besides saying he's useless and overly passive. The lurkers/useless people are probably waiting for their time,there emerges a concern: when they're going to act? Is their act will be helping us in the lynching scum?
Chezinu wanted to play with us a bit,but nobody hopefully fell for that. He's one of those whose need start acting.
I'd leave those for now though and check people who were active and suspicious during the day.
Namely - deconduo,he claimed day1 (vanilla townie),grabbed a white flag with "I am useless" on it and started waving it,why?
Scamp - he claims Inventor,I'd prefer the alignment check,just to know what is going on..
Barundar and Incognito were the people on fire,I'd rather lean they're townies,more money on Barundar though,his play was similar to Kavdragon(trying to take initiative,overreacted a bit) I'd rather see him as Townie.
If Incognito is scum,he will slip off in the meantime,for now,as I said he is most likely another Townie
Who I'd bet is scum right now? Chaoser. I played with him in the Mafia XXXIX and as vet he claimed DT and got scum,it was a huge gambit,which paid off in some way (he got stacked the next night,probably to avoid doc covering him,or just maf knew there's no doc,though game is still underway) He is not as active,not as keen,not as aggressive as in the past game. Someone pointed out that he said he was going to be more active and never was. Unless I am convinced otherwise I will go after Chaoser during the day,while I disagree with shooting him(he could really be bother with rl),he might be checked. He will have enough fire under his feet to clear that we will may or not bring a case against him.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 19 2011 14:03 GMT
#1021
Does Kingmaker override the role the person had? Or is it just an addition?
I wonder why there are so many claims right now,this is Day 2 and we can't cover everyone ( I highly doubt we've got 3 medics,and one of them is not weak/paranoid),we might actually have no docs,which would be grim. I suggest to play more safely now,we've got really good weapon in our hands now (Mr.Wiggles as King) I will address my Chaoser case right now,to see if there's change.
Same with the newest things (clue,Gmarshal's claim,Incognito case)
I think there was some discussion which leaned to not checking votes on lynched people,Gmarshall checked Kavdragon's wagon,but that's ok,we have a good enough intel now.
Lurkeys should act soon in my opinion (Chezinu,Fishball,Eiii,Flower's post are not enough I think,deconduo,OriginalName) You're useless now and this does not make You scummy so fast,but at least suspicious and little anti-town.
I am dissapointed that Fishball did nothing after my accusation on him and prodding him to actually do something,while my vote did not do much I feel it was justified.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
May 19 2011 14:47 GMT
#1027
On May 19 2011 23:32 Fishball wrote:
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On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote:
Does Kingmaker override the role the person had? Or is it just an addition?

What? Kingmaker is just like any other role. Do you mean will being made "King" override the role of a player? If that is the case, I'd say no.

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On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote:
Lurkeys should act soon in my opinion (Chezinu,Fishball,Eiii,Flower's post are not enough I think,deconduo,OriginalName) You're useless now and this does not make You scummy so fast,but at least suspicious and little anti-town.
I am dissapointed that Fishball did nothing after my accusation on him and prodding him to actually do something,while my vote did not do much I feel it was justified.

Unless you didn't read any of my posts last night... never mind. And why would I even bother "responding" to your accusations? You can think whatever you like, but it's deemed pointless to me. But hey, at least I'm talking to you right now.

Yeah I meant person made King.
Well Your Bulletproof people list makes some sense and might be useful later. You started to making stances a bit,still Your posts are small. This is a slight improvement,though not "something"(like a big insight into someone) I think You're on the right track in my eyes to start appearing Town.
I don't fully understand Your dont-respond-to-attack technique,but looks like You know what You're doing,still I will keep my eye on that.

Now I should go back to more past things,not the recent.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 19 2011 15:05 GMT
#1028
Chaoser is doing well,but I wonder if his "absence" wasn't just a card not to bring suspicion and evade a day 1 lynch(well,this does make him town,but rather a blue/scummy player).
He comes back with a good post,takes stance in couple of things (the rig/mdt combo,which he disagrees with,calls it "horrible")
He is after Incognito,though he does not talk about infinitystory's analysis,who has called Incognito scum. Does that mean Chaoser is not confident enough to push for lynch on him? He did not see it?Link
He shows some suspicion on GMarshal(about his vote change on Kav)
Got into Copy-cated Inventor discussion,where he said that the copy cat should claim and have a "test" from Town.
Looks at Ace's check on Radfield (pushing rig/mdt combo,not getting rigger while being quite high)

Chaoser addressed most of the boiling point things happening in our Town. He shows some suspicion upon Mr.Wiggles ("I am King and I could pretend that Politician/Journalist controlled me" idea)
He is slowly blending into our discussion,I think my scum accusation has less "power" now. He is still suspicious in my eyes,but he drove away a bit from the scum status,given that he started contributing and taking serious stances.
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May 19 2011 15:06 GMT
#1029
"well,this does NOT make him town,but rather a blue(a good role)/scummy player"
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May 19 2011 15:14 GMT
#1032
@Fishball
It's a Polish thing.
+ Show Spoiler +
DAT Southpark reference right there

We just capitalize it when we write letters(though it is mostly absent I feel like it is good to show some respect to person You're talking/writing on the forums)
Don't get angry Ver,I will have another post with actual Mafia content in a while
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May 19 2011 18:11 GMT
#1051
On May 20 2011 03:07 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2011 03:02 Ace wrote:
On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote:
See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller.

Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do.

##Nuke Chezinu

Everyone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok?

I'll be back later with some more thoughts.

+ Show Spoiler +
Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield?


:/

Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list?

See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game.

But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents.

You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town?

Uh...I never agreed with Radfield's plan. "Invisible posters" remember?

You listed me as invisible poster twice while I posted a bit,Your list was ALWAYS inaccurate.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 20 2011 20:25 GMT
#1156
On May 21 2011 04:54 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:42 Ace wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:32 Incognito wrote:

The reason why Ace should be killed is for political reasons. Yes, you try to kill scum. But when townies are obstructing reasonable discussion and blindly pushing their own agenda, you have to get rid of them simply to clear the atmosphere so you can start afresh and see the game through a new lens. In this game, I messed up in the beginning, and had to relook at the game all over again from a different perspective. You can't really force someone to do that, so when it seems like they will drive the town into the ground (yes, Ace holds enough sway in this town that people WILL listen to him), they need to be eliminated. A clear town with one less member is better than a confused and lost town with an extra member. This has nothing to do with Ace annoying me. If it did, I would've nuked Ace instead of Chezinu. Note how in Red Army Mafia (the bang bang one) I didn't eliminate Ace also even though he was being super obnoxious. He was pretty much doing the same thing he's doing now. Not sure if we should have killed him in retrospect, but in this game I'm feeling that Ace is off the right track.



wut? From Red Army Mafia

On August 17 2009 09:22 Zato-1 wrote:
On August 17 2009 08:14 coltrane wrote:
who killed me?

I told yoou since day 1, dont trust ace.

What? Ace was one of the biggest contributors to the Town. As the field marshal, the most likely way he could die was by getting lynched, so he did his best to stay on the Town's good side, by contributing against the mafia. No one suspects him, and the fewer mafia there are the smaller the chances all his bodyguards get killed. He never did the town any harm.


Town won that game with my help. You must be confused about what happened.


No the other communist mafia. Where the thread title is in russian. Town lost that game, mostly because of chaos and people were shooting randomly and didn't know what to do. To me you were obviously town, but obnoxious nonetheless.

Could You stop derailing the thread with Your Ace&Incognito past games love? I really don't give a damn who played how in the past,just look at my past posts,what would I accomplish with posting like I did in Mafia XXXIX? You'd probably be choosing between me or Chezinu to nuke or I would have been lynched Day1.
The Incognito case is really WIFOM,he might be a townie taking a huge gambit,a bussing mafia or just a trigger happy guy.
I am up for any King-lynching lurkers and I don't care which one You'll pick,any will be fine (thought Eiii might be a bad idea because he is busy irl,so was chaoser who is trying to get into this game hardly enough)
I dislike how Incognito drives attention into him is he covering someone? A person who slipped out? Barundar? Someone totally else?
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Poland6130 Posts
May 20 2011 20:25 GMT
#1157
thought = though
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May 20 2011 20:59 GMT
#1171
On May 21 2011 05:57 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 05:54 Radfield wrote:
On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:
If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node.


To be perfectly clear, I'm not dead set against this. But when does it stop? If only 1 of Incog, chez and node flip red, are we gonna lynch caller, flame and GM? At some point we need to accept that there are a number of alignment changing roles that could be in the game.

Also, as I mentioned before, I don't trust my judgment concerning Incog as he's fooled me before. Him being lynched isn't the end of the world, and gives us some strong information at the worst(no matter the flip).


+ Show Spoiler +

Where the F is the politician. I honestly cannot see why mafia would take kingmaker and not politician. It's pointless. My current assumption is that the mafia politician is an inactive, and that the mafia actually planned to have the politician lynch by now....

If town has been following the plan there will be other DT related checks on other people tonight. If someone finds mafia, of course we break from the list and kill them.

Besides, GMarshal will die tonight.

Why? Are You saying that there are no protection roles? It is obvious to protect our Listcheck DT.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 20 2011 21:18 GMT
#1175
I think our King's vote should be on KillerSOS or OriginalName,because Fishball+Chaoser started acting and Eiii has excuse similar to Chaoser(I think he will redeem himself soon,so I'd leave him for another day) I will leave my lynch vote on KillerSOS though,just to make expression who from Lurkeys I would like to see king lynched.
#Vote KillerSOS
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Poland6130 Posts
May 21 2011 11:05 GMT
#1357
Incognito,thanks for writing up a nice chainsaw defence.
You're in the corner and You want to save Your life. You could be and egoistic townie "Hero" or just a scum who has been caught on a blunder. There's valid point that You miraculously evaded two lynches (I think both by 1 vote,maybe 2) still You're doing the same thing: searching for more suspects. I think You agreed at one point that brining more suspects than it is IS BAD. I didn't think so early Day 1 (We had A LOT of time) but now we are on Night 2 and the things WENT CRAZY.
Yes,finger pointing IS SUSPICIOUS and You try to make it "legitimate" by saying how it worked in past games,but no,YOU CAN'T RUN AROUND WITH FINGERS! It is obvious that someone will agree with You at one point,thus lynching some random person.
You try to classify Your actions as nulltells/pro-town while they're scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2011 13:30 Incognito wrote:
List of invisible posters:

GMarshal
Kitaman27
tnkted


Bum's post is on spot. Fortunately, I already mapped out some stuff.

PYP Insane Game Plan


The optimal picking strategy revolves around this cute little role:
Show nested quote +
Thief
You have the ability to steal the role of a specific player one time per game at night, meaning they lose their role and become vanilla, while you gain it. If you steal from a vanilla player, nothing happens to them and you gain nothing. You cannot steal the role of a traitor or mole. Neither you nor they may not use their role the cycle you steal from them. The following cycle after you steal you can use their role freely with the same limits taken from them. For example if the vote rigger already used his double lynch before you stole it, you will not be able to use it.


This role obsoletes the PYP1 and PYP3 role picking strategies. The mere existence of the thief on the role list means that it would be seriously harmful for mafia to know where the good roles are. Of course, it’s a no brainer that the good roles are in the beginning part of the list. So my only advice is that if you’re in the beginning of the list, seriously consider picking a role such as NRA member or Meth Man to deter the mafia from hitting/stealing roles from the top of the list.

Due to the fact that the mafia can coordinate numbers with each other while the town can’t, it is very likely that mafia will get a spot within the top 3. As shown by the past PYP games, mafia has gotten the first or second spot in all 3 games. Which means town will likely have to be on the defensive, as it is hard to guarantee that we can effectively deny mafia the thief role.

The amount of potential KP in this game is huge. This means that there is a huge potential for the game to end quickly. The basic town strategy should be to avoid KP roles, while going heavy on investigative and defensive roles to try to prolong the game.

Tier I Roles
Mafia 2 Detective + Vote Rigger
Inventor
Chuiu Jack
Modern Detective
Role Cop
Bullet Bill
PYP3 Veteran
Doctor
Bulletproof

Mafia 2 Detective combined with the Vote Rigger is a combo that allows us to break up the town into chunks and analyze with greater ease. The formula is simple. The Vote Rigger rigs the Day 1 Vote into 4 roughly equal blocks with 7, 6, 6, and 5 voters each. All the lurkers/suspicious people are piled onto one list, and the Modern Detective uses his vote check to check one vote block each day, starting with the lurkers. Town then proceeds to analyze the split lists, allowing for more focused analyses. The rest of the investigative roles are used to sort through the lists, while the defensive roles prolong the game and squeeze the mafia.

The Mafia will want these roles
Kingmaker + Politician
Thief
Caller Godfather
Roleblocker
Janitor
JailKeeper
Puppeteer
Hero
PYP3 Veteran
NRA Member
CPR Doctor

The best mafia combo pick is Kingmaker + Politician. This effectively gives mafia an unlimited anonymous unblockable dayvig power, capable of sniping off all the top town players. Caller Godfather is also an obvious mafia role. As anyone who’s read Caller’s Mafia V knows, Godfather recruiting high level townies with good roles is a town’s worst nightmare. Denying this role is iffy, as a mafia thief has plenty of time to try to find the role and steal it before it can actually be of use. Jailkeeper, roleblocker, and NRA member are powerful roles for the mafia that prevent investigations, and potentially save mafia from NKs. Hero and PYP 3 veteran cause town pain when mafia slip out of lynches and snipe off a townie. Lastly, puppeteer is surprisingly useful for a good mafia arguer, as it allows them to anonymously mislead town and cause tons of chaos in the thread. However, the most critical roles that we need to deny are the Thief, Politician, Jailkeeper, and Roleblocker. Due to the threat of a mafia thief, we can’t discuss precise strategy here, but townies should strongly consider picking one of these 4 roles.

By the way KillerSOS is mafia.

Also Node is mafia.

There's Your "I HAD NO PLAN LOL WAT U SMOKIN' BRO"
Your trickery needs to go to hell,Your actions did nothing but denied us from doing ANYTHING Day 2 besides thinking why Incognito would nuke someone out of blue,while we have King's lynch at disposal and plenty of time (and a pretty legit votecheck list) You knew and still know that Your time is running short,thus You try to spew chaos as much as You can,You contradict Yourself,never change attitude and LIE.
Lynch All Liars,remember?
Yes I am angry,because You think You're a Holy Hero who everyone should follow,while we caught some blood on Your cape. This is sweet how You try to derail us from the list Gmarshal posted.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 21 2011 11:13 GMT
#1358
Also I feel sorry that I couldn't swap my vote from KillerSOS,his Tracker claim was believable and he gave up everything he had just for a possibility we don't lynch him.
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May 21 2011 11:28 GMT
#1359
I might look into Ace's case,but the thing is You have been acting like a little rat Incognito,fleeing to every hole You saw,so I am not totally confident that this case will give anything good to us.
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May 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#1368
On May 22 2011 01:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Radfield I'm glad we're thinking along the same lines. I believe your claim and the reasoning behind it. As for incog here's my thinking. I came into this game without having read the thread so I raced through it as fast as I could. I picked some easy reads (Radfield as town and Chez as scum) but I may have missed more subtle things that would have helped me make concrete calls on the more controversial players (Ace and Incog). As I am supposed to be dreamflower she was allowed to give me her top town and top scum. Her top town was Incog with a huge level of certainty. Her top scum was Ace with an equal level of certainty. Why am I saying this? Because with Incog's last post we started talking about parts of the game I only have a rough understanding of and we started talking about dreamflower. I'm going to have to reread the earlier parts but for now dreamflower's position will be mine. Keep in mind, dreamflower is actually pretty good, in one game she played she got killed night two as a mad hatter with bombs on two mafia, in another game she picked out two mafia and vigi'd one before she got killed. With this record I'm more than willing to support her suspcions.

You're claiming Mad Hatter?
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Poland6130 Posts
May 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#1381
On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote:
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.

And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch.

Why would You die? You claimed Vanilla Townie,wasn't so active and aren't tied to noone probably,I think we have other people we should worry about getting killed,like GMarshal.
Are You trying to say You're not vanilla after all?
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May 21 2011 22:46 GMT
#1384
On May 22 2011 07:39 infinitestory wrote:
rofl @ you talking about Ace "escaping this one"

shhhhh,I am hunting for a wabbit 'ere
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May 22 2011 17:47 GMT
#1473
Kitaman27 has entered the game.
Sadly I was expecting something more than "his math is wrong!",like giving more examples,showing Your stance on this and such.
I am happy that Incog died,sadly this made Radfield to read his posts and waste Rad's time.
Radfield,Incog was a rat,he was fleeing from the sinking ship. Everything he said should be taken with a grain of salt: He was after KillerSOS even after he claimed and the main argument for lynching him(though kinglynching,not normal lynch) was him as Lurkey,as we needed to show that we won't leave them alone. I'd say that "HE LURKER,HE SCUM" argument is pretty bad,because lurking towniewho has a good role and will step up (chaoser,Fishball and yes I think chaoser is town)
I wonder why Wiggles has passed so unnoticed,he had king's lynch,was contributing some,then dissapeared again.
Decon,You're still claiming the Vanilla Townie? Was it smoke bomb just to make mafia not target You? Why wouldn't You use the same strategy as Fishball? (active lurker into semi-lurker) Do You still think You're useless?
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Poland6130 Posts
May 23 2011 19:32 GMT
#1575
Person A: InfiniteStory- Same - Parity Cop
Person B: tnkted is mafia - Alignment Cop (insane/sane)
Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT Role Cop
Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5 Mafia II DT
Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10 Rose Glasses?
What about busdriver driving someone with tnkted?(like Chez)
Just throwing ideas out to discuss.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#1583
Infinitestory checked by parity cop,got king'd...
does that mean?
##Explode Infinitestory
FOR UNIDEN
DAYJ MADE ME DO IT
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Poland6130 Posts
May 24 2011 12:43 GMT
#1645
On May 24 2011 11:46 Fishball wrote:
So apparently Admiral Akbar's collateral damage includes actions performed in both Day and Night cycles on the target. Although I did not interpret it as a "full cycle", and I can't say that I really agree, I don't see myself being revived by the host, so bon voyage people.

So I don't get the Parity Cop checking himself,making him basically delayed Alligment cop who is always sane
Was cool guys <3
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Poland6130 Posts
May 29 2011 07:17 GMT
#2024
The thing is Chezinu led an easy way to Caller's and Ace's lynch. We could avoid kinglynch on Chezinu,if he was bussed,but tnkted was sleeping <3
The radio was great addition to me,I was almost sure I could net 3 kills,sadly Parity Cop can target himself @_@
I couldn't blow up so early,but cmon waking up 5:50am is a decent trade <3 I seriously thought I'd get Lynched Day1/Day2 so I'd blow up on someone then get the second person lynched,would work like a charm.
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Poland6130 Posts
May 29 2011 10:21 GMT
#2034
The game was kind of over when we got 4normal DT roles and those weird hybrids (I think 2) 6dt roles versus 5 mafia+1 mole guess the outcome <3
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Poland6130 Posts
May 29 2011 16:45 GMT
#2047
On May 30 2011 01:42 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2011 22:14 Ace wrote:
On May 29 2011 16:07 Kavdragon wrote:
On May 29 2011 13:49 Incognito wrote:
I don't get why my Ace analysis was pretty much ignored after I got shot. I really thought that was a good analysis, as well as a nice instructional guide on good mafia thread control, but oh well.



To those who lynched me day one: You fail at meta reads. The biggest thing to pull from my town meta is that I make lots of mistakes.


And thats exactly why you got lynched. This isn't a meta problem - it's just you making mistakes. The town would be foolish to say "oh its just the way Kavdragon plays, let him get a pass". When you screw up chances are you get lynched if the town is playing correctly.


I never said in there that my play was something that should have kept me from being lynched, but people were pushing me because of meta reasons, and they missed the biggest point from my meta. I agree that the mistakes I made were what lead to my lynch, but the people pushing for my lynch because of my meta were getting my meta wrong.

Kurumi does not understand because every sentence has "meta" in it ;u;
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May 29 2011 18:28 GMT
#2051
On May 30 2011 02:21 flamewheel wrote:
Just fucking lynch Incognito next time lol

I'd go for it even as a Townie lol
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May 29 2011 19:17 GMT
#2057
Funny how we didn't have a number picking strategy and still got clumped on "9" camp lol
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May 30 2011 13:20 GMT
#2065
On May 30 2011 09:32 deconduo wrote:
Lots of credit for the Police Radio invention, really well thought out.

I actually loved it,sadly Parity Cop could check himseeeeeeeeeeeeeeelf
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May 30 2011 15:09 GMT
#2067
On May 30 2011 23:27 Scamp wrote:
I personally would like to see Traitor and Village Idiot taken out, and all roles similar to that. I found it interesting that the game was balanced around the expectation of a traitor being taken, especially with moles active. If you took Traitor and you were a mole all along....well don't you feel silly?

I guess you at least show up as townie for role checks, but still...

But yeah, Villlage Idiot is just dumb. At least make it interesting in some way such as you need to predict when you'll die or some kind of restrictions of playstyle or whatever.

Maybe a mafia game where it turns out everyone on the mafia team is a mole.

Damn You Scamp,that was going to be my game after I get to co-host one.
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