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On May 08 2011 14:28 Ver wrote: This is going to get interesting! I thought this was pick your power insane, not pick your power interesting... | ||
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On May 11 2011 03:20 Incognito wrote: Actually it would be: F [10][1] D [8][1] E [8][2] C [4][7] A [4][1] B [4][1] That's not how it was in the past....it should be: F [10][1] C [4][7] A [4][1] B [4][1] D [8][1] E [8][2] | ||
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On May 16 2011 07:36 deconduo wrote: [18][2] I have to say, Traitor, VI, Journalist, Puppeteer look like awesome picks. Don't hate me. I'll hate you for the Traitor  I already claimed my pick earlier: 1,1 | ||
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If flamewheel/Caller/whoever don't agree to take their designated role (assuming we have a consensus on what roles they should take) we need to lynch them, no questions asked. What's to stop Scamp for all of a sudden posting "hey guys, I'm going to take Hero or Assassin (or whatever role he might want) sorry"? Are you just going to shift down the important role list even further? Yawn. Waste of time. People are going to pick whatever they want to pick. I'm not opposed to general guidelines, such as town should focus on DT related roles or survival roles, whatever, but assigning roles to the top 5 players is just silly. If you are going to go that route, we should have everyone claim as soon as the picks are out. Either everyone should claim or no one should claim (that includes assigning roles before the picks). Nothing in between. | ||
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On May 16 2011 09:48 Radfield wrote: No one should claim. Any plans laid out are for pre-selection only. Once the actual role selection takes place, no one should tell anyone anything about their role. The only exception is if the information you might reveal is very beneficial to town. Having said this, I almost guarantee a few people will state they got a role, or got vanilla, or whatever. I really hope not though. Okay so, we tell people which role to take now, but after the picking we pretend that discussion never happened? | ||
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You're going to pick the editor and as soon as game starts you're going to edit all your posts out! That way mafia can't see what roles people took, but you will still know! Brilliant! | ||
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On May 17 2011 04:41 GMarshal wrote: I notice you voted incognito, is there a reason behind that? Yeah easy. I played a mini mafia game with him. He was a medic. He was very outspoken and fairly aggressive. One of his firsts post in the game: + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2011 13:30 Incognito wrote: List of invisible posters: GMarshal Kitaman27 tnkted Bum's post is on spot. Fortunately, I already mapped out some stuff. PYP Insane Game Plan The optimal picking strategy revolves around this cute little role: This role obsoletes the PYP1 and PYP3 role picking strategies. The mere existence of the thief on the role list means that it would be seriously harmful for mafia to know where the good roles are. Of course, it’s a no brainer that the good roles are in the beginning part of the list. So my only advice is that if you’re in the beginning of the list, seriously consider picking a role such as NRA member or Meth Man to deter the mafia from hitting/stealing roles from the top of the list. Due to the fact that the mafia can coordinate numbers with each other while the town can’t, it is very likely that mafia will get a spot within the top 3. As shown by the past PYP games, mafia has gotten the first or second spot in all 3 games. Which means town will likely have to be on the defensive, as it is hard to guarantee that we can effectively deny mafia the thief role. The amount of potential KP in this game is huge. This means that there is a huge potential for the game to end quickly. The basic town strategy should be to avoid KP roles, while going heavy on investigative and defensive roles to try to prolong the game. Tier I Roles Mafia 2 Detective + Vote Rigger Inventor Chuiu Jack Modern Detective Role Cop Bullet Bill PYP3 Veteran Doctor Bulletproof Mafia 2 Detective combined with the Vote Rigger is a combo that allows us to break up the town into chunks and analyze with greater ease. The formula is simple. The Vote Rigger rigs the Day 1 Vote into 4 roughly equal blocks with 7, 6, 6, and 5 voters each. All the lurkers/suspicious people are piled onto one list, and the Modern Detective uses his vote check to check one vote block each day, starting with the lurkers. Town then proceeds to analyze the split lists, allowing for more focused analyses. The rest of the investigative roles are used to sort through the lists, while the defensive roles prolong the game and squeeze the mafia. The Mafia will want these roles Kingmaker + Politician Thief Caller Godfather Roleblocker Janitor JailKeeper Puppeteer Hero PYP3 Veteran NRA Member CPR Doctor The best mafia combo pick is Kingmaker + Politician. This effectively gives mafia an unlimited anonymous unblockable dayvig power, capable of sniping off all the top town players. Caller Godfather is also an obvious mafia role. As anyone who’s read Caller’s Mafia V knows, Godfather recruiting high level townies with good roles is a town’s worst nightmare. Denying this role is iffy, as a mafia thief has plenty of time to try to find the role and steal it before it can actually be of use. Jailkeeper, roleblocker, and NRA member are powerful roles for the mafia that prevent investigations, and potentially save mafia from NKs. Hero and PYP 3 veteran cause town pain when mafia slip out of lynches and snipe off a townie. Lastly, puppeteer is surprisingly useful for a good mafia arguer, as it allows them to anonymously mislead town and cause tons of chaos in the thread. However, the most critical roles that we need to deny are the Thief, Politician, Jailkeeper, and Roleblocker. Due to the threat of a mafia thief, we can’t discuss precise strategy here, but townies should strongly consider picking one of these 4 roles. By the way KillerSOS is mafia. Also Node is mafia. That's kinda what I expect out of Incognito (although this post is a bit passive for my taste). In the mini game he made a lot of posts like this. This game the rest of his posts are mostly one liners. Particularly, he got really quiet after the draft order and picking. He's clearly got something to hide that he doesn't want the town to know about. Either he got some great role and wants to hide with it, or more simply he's mafia. No plans for vote rigging or checking. Let's scum hunt. | ||
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On May 17 2011 05:05 Radfield wrote: It's possible that the reason Incognito is proposing his vote rigging plan is because he took the M2DT role and wants the vote rigger to follow his plan. Either way, that's for the vote rigger to decide, so there's no point in discussing it. As far as our day 1 lynch goes, we need to be wary of the Copy Cat role. I think in both PYP games I've played, copy cat was taken by mafia. With a town strategy of role denial, this is again a likely choice for mafia. As such, I think the top players in the draft should not be the focus of our Day 1 lynch. I also realize that I'm in the top part of the draft, so my bias is clear, but hopefully my reasoning makes sense. Therefore, if you want to build a case against someone in the top 6-8 picks(as I do), I recommend you wait until Day 2, when the Copy Cat role has been allocated. Incognito is third to last on the draft order, no way he got one of those two roles. And as someone already pointed out, the obscene amount of number collisions on the bottom half of the draft give way to the idea that most mafia are probably in the top half. Someone said this is a wifom argument, which I have to strongly disagree with. In a game like this with imba roles and a near unlimited amount of imba combo's, would mafia really pick the same numbers so as to possibly construct a wifom argument in the late game to save them from getting lynched? Heck no. If this was a normal PYP game I could potentially see the merit in this, but not in this game. If the mafia spread out and get a lot of members in the top 5 or slots (which very well may be the case this game) they could easily grab some imba combo a win in 2 or 3 days. It's pointless for us to sit here and speculate what kind of imba combo's the mafia might have, but we should definitely assume that 1) there are very many of them and 2) they probably have one. | ||
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On May 17 2011 10:25 Ace wrote: easy there playboy. I haven't claimed anything. You are the person I'm less worried about at the moment  Was talking more to the others | ||
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On May 19 2011 10:08 Ace wrote: why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. | ||
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On May 19 2011 12:17 Incognito wrote: So what you're trying to say, is that you will be voting me, even though mafia were uninvolved in the lynch and probably spread out their votes, which wouldn't happen unless I'm town. Congratz. I, on the other hand, think we will find out some good information tonight. I also like how you haven't given any analysis. Congratz again. When will people stop being afraid of looking stupid and actually do something? And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"? | ||
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On May 19 2011 12:29 Incognito wrote: Yes I do, but if nobody cares about this game, I won't bother. See, I can play this game too! This is why I want you dead. If I came across like I didn't care about the game then my bad, but you're the one who hurt the town yesterday with your bandwagon on Kav. You're the one that needs to prove that you are useful to the town alive rather than dead (and before you say I'm useless this is about you, not me). Repeatedly telling everyone "don't worry guys...vote checks and blues gonna win this for us" is not proving yourself useful; I don't care what nice role you may have picked up in the draft. | ||
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1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS [5][11] 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][x] 23. Incognito[9][x] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote: Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. We're probably better off just waiting until tomorrow and seeing if another invention comes up. If the copycat is in the town's hands, he can just make a name that's really pro town (e.g. vote check kit) to let us know. | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:11 chaoser wrote: That doesn't mean anything though. They could be mafia, name something the vote check kit and actually it checks votes for blues or specific roles and such. Copycat should straight up claim if he's town since mafia killed Inventor, meaning they didn't get the Thief role so they can't steal it again from the CC. I say CC/Inventor claims, builds something we tell him to, and then we decide whether we want to protect them or not depending on who they are. Mafia is forced into a WIFOM situation and even if they do shoot inventor, it's fine since we shouldn't be relying on the inventor anyway. His invention names can always lead to ambiguous situations and we would end up discussing them too much and lose sight of scum hunting. I'm also interested in Radfield's Non-Vote Rigger Pick. @Mr. Wiggles....so if there's a politician they can just buy your lynch now? We could make it even more obvious then "vote check kit for finding mafia only". Or something. You raise a valid point but I think the copycat should remain hidden if they are town. If mafia can't get KP to go through they probably won't be able to survive long. If inventor fell into mafia's hands they will be inventing things that would only help them (i.e. here's a gun you must shoot or something). Of course your argument still applies here as well. I don't know. | ||
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On May 19 2011 16:53 Node wrote: Let's talk about Foolishness. + Show Spoiler + He's done nothing of consequence. He's maybe tickled Incognito a couple of times, but the majority of his posts do two things: 1) Complain. 2) Nothing. Here's his latest big ol' post. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. It's a classic case of saying a lot while not actually saying anything. He champions analysis while doing none of his own, he shoots down the vote checker plan that nobody's been attempting for a day, he prods ace and says that he's got better things to do, but what those would be is anyone's guess. The only concrete contribution that Foolishness has had to the game is his frequent needling of Incognito. It all boils down to, "Incognito wants to win with blues but no analysis", which, granted, would be a bad thing if that was what Incognito wanted. He's constantly been saying "analysis good, do analysis", but has yet to become the change he wants to see. What raises my suspicions even more is that people are willing to say that he's worth defending (hint: he's not). People that I currently don't trust have been softly aligning themselves with Foolishness for reasons that I don't understand. For instance, Mr. Wiggles has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight: Role-Checks: These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list. Flamewheel Scamp Caller Barundar Radfield GMarshal Alignment Checks: These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on. Barundar Node Tnkted Incognito Radfield Ace Vig-Hit: Deconduo I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable. Medic list: These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2. Caller bumatlarge Radfield Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up. quoth Radfield: On May 17 2011 04:59 Radfield wrote: I agree with everything Foolishness is saying. Radfield also has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote: So much for 100% eh Incog.... On the bright side, this lynch hopefully gives us oodles of information down the line, once incog and Barundars alignment flips. On another bright note, Incognito won't get targeted by mafia tonight, so in the event he is town he'll probably survive the night. Unless of course a townie shoots him, but if that's the case so be it. Mr. Wiggles, I very much disagree with your rolecheck list. There is a list of roles in this game that no townie should be caught dead with, so we want to use our rolechecks to try and ascertain alignment. Checking the people at the top of the list gives us very little information regarding their alignment. The top 6/7 all have an excellent excuse(whether legit or not) for taking an anti-town role. No one else on the list has that excuse. Anyone with a role check should be looking at whomever they think is scummy lower down on the list. If they have a scummy role(a role on the no-pick list) then they're probably mafia. I really hope someone does an alignment check on Barundar. Even setting aside my suspicions, he was assigned caller gf or cpr doc, so knowing his alignment is very important. Other players worth an alignment check: Flamewheel Infinitestory? Incognito Mr. Wiggles Chaoser dreamflower Players worth some medic protection: Radfield Bum Caller Ace - probably won't get picked off though foolishness - if town he likely has a defensive role anyways GMarshall - there are heaps of suspicion on him, so he is unlikely to get hit Scamp, as inventor, should get a skiff of medic protection Anyone else dying wouldn't be terrible at this point. I'd like to stress that flamewheel doesn't belong on any medic lists, or townie lists. He has done very little to contribute to the town this game. Besides, assuming he is telling the truth about JOAT, I'm pretty sure he can protect himself if he wants to. Inventor(Scamp) should be passing the vote-list checks either to whomever they have the strongest pro-town read on. Chaoser, despite finishing his interviews(his pre-tuesday excuse) still ended up contributing basically zero to the discussion. Simply popped in and voted Incog. Pick it up Chaoser. + Show Spoiler + Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. ##Vote Foolishness Well of course I'm complaining. Yesterday the town fell into the hands of Incognito and his big ego. And I'm always going to be around to call bs on a player who claims blues are going to win us the game. I thought town was in a terrible situation last night given how easily Incog was able to sway everyone to vote for Kav. Granted I expected 3-5 people to die at night instead of 1. Chez says I have a scum agenda, would like to hear what that is (even though we all know that ain't gonna happen). At any rate, we got 2 mafia in a list of 5 (remember that you're one of them). Of course I'm going to vote Wiggles kill Incognito, but I'll settle for Chez as well. I don't think many people will have an objection to killing Chez so it's probably best for Wiggles to just kill him now before another role is able to step in and do something about it. | ||
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If you're waiting for him to give a better explanation I don't think we'll get one. At any rate I trust your judgment at the moment whether or not to reveal what his role is. I just don't want you turning up dead while the rest of us have to sit and guess what he's scheming behind everyone's backs. | ||
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On May 20 2011 10:45 kitaman27 wrote: -He is posting sarcastic one-liners that are borderline spam, which is uncharacteristic of his playstyle. It is? o.O On May 20 2011 10:45 kitaman27 wrote: His most recent post was an absolutely useless update of the numbers list with scamp and kav's roles included. I'm keeping it updated for my records, and thought someone else might benefit from it as well. Assuming mafia did not pile up on the same number it will come in handy later. I sure as heck am not going to try to pass that post off as a contribution. | ||
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On May 20 2011 11:47 chaoser wrote: Yes. I shelve my suspicions of Incognito for now. Where's your scum hunting foolishness? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#522 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#526 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=40#783 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=47#923 This? How about you prove your own usefulness. A lot of the charges you level at Incognito you yourself are guilty of. How are you being useful? You said dec was obv green and that you wanted to help lynch a more obvious mafia but you don't try at all to push for incognito's lynch. You make offhand remarks and you show support for his lynch but you never make a real argument for it even though you're one of the main people pushing for it. Where's the Foolishness from XXXVII? You're a good townie but a horrible mafia. Show me how good you can be or it's light out yo. I didn't ask about Incognito, I asked about the 2/5 people we know are mafia. I don't really care what you think of Incognito at the moment, but doesn't mean you can't say anything about the other 4 people on that list. I'm not going to need to start busting out percentage numbers to show you that we have a better chance of hitting mafia in that list than the rest of players am I? Why you want to ignore the information that's right in front of us? Yeah I'll admit I'm really bored this game but bypassing obvious facts because you think I'm mafia is either a desperate attempt of you to save your mafia buddies or you just haven't read the thread (the other option is you're stupid, but we both know that ain't true). It's also convenient because you're the third (maybe fourth) person to put suspicion on me. So maybe you figure "well shit half my mafia team might be dead by end of day...a few people seem to think Foolishness is mafia maybe I can distract the town and try to get him lynched". Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel. 2/5 are mafia. Surely you have some sort of idea of who they are yes? Obviously my thoughts are out in the open already. In fact you've been awfully quiet about this issue, instead saying things like, "GMarshal's claim isn't 100% reliable" (even though GMarshsal's attitude day 1 totally indicated he was a DT of some sort) and saying today's lynch boils down to Ace vs Incognito (which is lol?). Fine, want to hold your thoughts about that because you're not sure? How about that both Radfield and Incognito went against the "town consensus" (I put that in quotes for lack of better term) and did not pick the roles they were supposed to. I remember multiple people saying yesterday that if anyone was found with one of these roles we should kill them asap (especially something like America). Moreover there is a kingmaker this game. I find it reasonable that mafia has the journalist and/or politician in their hands. What if 4 mafia members grabbed: politician, journalist, kingmaker, America? Great combo if you ask me; town has no idea whether their day kills are going to be altered or not. Mafia sit back and laugh. Need I also remind you Radfield is the one that made Scamp claim he was inventor in the thread. That's a pro-town thing to do right? We need to find and kill the 2 mafia in that list. Hopefully Chez actually dies to speed up the process, although I wouldn't be surprised if a random person died instead. After those 2 mafia are dead I'm gunning for Radfield until he provides a better explanation of why he hasn't been playing with the town's interest. But if you want to overlook all this information to try to get me lynched I'm just going to laugh. Once the 2 mafia in the list are dead I will gladly encourage you to repost your accusations against me (and I will gladly respond), but for now you're just distracting the town, which is exactly what the mafia want. | ||
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On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote: We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. | ||
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On May 21 2011 05:45 Radfield wrote: You're right, a large portion of town has not. You and GMarshall are right, it's only the last 2 pages or so that have come to incogs defense. You have to admit though, that the chances of either framer or Godfatherframer being in the game is fairly decent, and the chance of them framing incog(assuming they exist) is fairly good. Mind you I'm not saying that's what happened, and I think there probably ARE two mafia in that list. My list right now from townie to scum is: GMarshall, Flamewheel = Incog, Caller, Node. The problem is, that the scummiest players on there (caller/node) don't strike me as all that scummy. I have a few scummy reads right now, alot of pro-town reads, and about 8 inbetweens. Hence, why not let our investigative roles do their job(we know we have GMarshal) and THEN start the firing lines.(Mind you, this raises all sorts of framer problems and suicide bombers problems) Anyways, I'm not super hard against shooting into the list, I just think that waiting a bit and clearing out some of the other scummy chaff is a better move right now. You'd rather crapshoot into the townie pool (what I mean is the remaining players excluding the list) based off of 2 days of posts than take a 40% chance of hitting mafia? You can't save your scum buddies here. Way too late now. | ||
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On May 21 2011 05:54 Radfield wrote: To be perfectly clear, I'm not dead set against this. But when does it stop? If only 1 of Incog, chez and node flip red, are we gonna lynch caller, flame and GM? At some point we need to accept that there are a number of alignment changing roles that could be in the game. Also, as I mentioned before, I don't trust my judgment concerning Incog as he's fooled me before. Him being lynched isn't the end of the world, and gives us some strong information at the worst(no matter the flip). + Show Spoiler + Where the F is the politician. I honestly cannot see why mafia would take kingmaker and not politician. It's pointless. My current assumption is that the mafia politician is an inactive, and that the mafia actually planned to have the politician lynch by now.... If town has been following the plan there will be other DT related checks on other people tonight. If someone finds mafia, of course we break from the list and kill them. Besides, GMarshal will die tonight. | ||
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On May 21 2011 05:59 Kurumi wrote: Why? Are You saying that there are no protection roles? It is obvious to protect our Listcheck DT. Scamp claimed Inventor in thread and wasn't protected. Obviously we have no medic. Even if we do we might as well just pretend we don't. Assuming mafia have 2 kills (same as last night) they will double stack on GMarshal anyways. They can't afford any more vote checks. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:57 infinitestory wrote: Fishball, Ace, are you guys by any chance very suspicious of a player who's been generally viewed as a townie? Please tell me it's Radfield? | ||
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2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][x] 23. Incognito[9][x] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] If anybody cares. And no Chaoser, I'm not trying to pass this off of a contribution. I keep the list for myself; figure I may save someone else the trouble as well. | ||
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On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + Foolishness I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal. I honestly don't think is going to save us from dying. | ||
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We have a list of which 2/5 are mafia. We knew this yesterday and we still haven't done anything about it (a 40% chance is pretty nice). Now our chances are 50% since flamewheel died. Furthermore Incog's role is useless since he will clearly be bussed or bought by the politician. It's reasonable to assume mafia got the politician (and the kingmaker as well, what a deadly combo). If Ace is mafia, so is infinitestory and Fishball. And that sounds ridiculous compared to the simpler Incog/Chez/Radfield team. | ||
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On May 22 2011 13:11 infinitestory wrote: Fishball: I think you're missing a case, where exactly one of Foolishness and Chezinu is mafia, and the mafia one has a role that induces a lot of havoc when it dies. I'm looking at the Mad Hatter in particular. Unfortunately, in this case, if we try to kill either of them, we'll have to face some serious repercussions. Both Foolishness and Chez have confirmed the link (or at least, Foolishness has addressed it without denying it). Does it honestly matter whether we're linked or not? | ||
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2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][x] 23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah! 24. Node [9][1] - Copycat 25. kitaman27 [9][1] | ||
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On May 22 2011 14:21 kitaman27 wrote: 2/6 are scum Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel Guess where that leaves us. Well obviously we lynch bumatlarge! + Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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And as I already stated, who cares if I was linked to Chezinu? We were going to kill him anyway; me denying or confirming would have only been a distraction to the town. | ||
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On May 23 2011 02:08 tnkted wrote: Sigh... Kita I just spent 15 minutes writing up a big long post analyzing everyone on that scumlist and you went and made it entirely irrelevant. One hopeful thing to note: Bus driver didn't bus chez out of the way of the lynch this morning. That means that bus driver is probably out of gas at this point, otherwise that would have been another free kill. Longer analytical post is incoming, I have to pick all the good bits out of the post kita ruined. Or he was just not here after night ended. | ||
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At any rate, the police radio confirmed that we got a lot of DT related roles out there, I don't think we should be exactly pressed for figuring out all the mafia tonight. With CPR doctor gone seems at worst the mafia can kill 2 of those roles (but probably only one will die). On May 23 2011 20:32 Radfield wrote: The suspicious Chez/Foolishness actions seem to be fading from the thread as well. That whole exchange still seems bizarre if Foolishness is green. + Show Spoiler + A possibility is that Foolishness is the Recruiting Mason and had already spoken with Chez before. Which would make his actions more reasonable. I already stated that I denied it more than accepted it. And I said I didn't want to distract that town because regardless of what people thought my role is we should have killed him. Not to mention I kinda wanted to play along for the lols On May 23 2011 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Candidates for role-checks for me descending in order of importance are: Foolishness Chaoser Eiii If you read the thread carefully you'll discover I've already been checked. | ||
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On May 24 2011 07:56 Radfield wrote: eiii, kitiman and kurumi. If we assume that one of you is scum, and the other two green, I'd like to hear which you think it is. Eiii, is Kitaman or Kurumi the scum? Kitaman, is Eiii or Kurumi the scum? Kurumi, is Kitaman or Eiii the scum? Foolishness, lets say that GM's Incog vote-list is accurate. Which out of Bum, Chaoser or Ace do you think is the mafia? Chaoser was one of my top suspects day 1, and hasn't done anything to make me change my mind. | ||
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2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] - vanilla 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] - Kingmaker 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] - Parity Cop 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu - CPR doctor 21. Ace [9][11] 22. Kurumi [9][x] - ackbar 23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah! 24. Node [9][1] - Copycat 25. kitaman27 [9][1] Numbers tell us to start killing at the top of the list. | ||
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On May 24 2011 10:39 kitaman27 wrote: As one of your top suspects, you've done rather little to get him shot or lynched. And when would I have had time to do such a thing? Town was plagued by the abomination known as Incognito the first two days, and today's kill (as well as tomorrow's) are easy. | ||
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On May 24 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: A while ago you called deconduo obvious green. Could you explain your views on him for me? At the time he seemed like a townie that was bored because he didn't get the role he wanted. I am slightly perturbed by his lack of posts recently though. I'd still rather kill the above 3 than him at the moment. | ||
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On May 24 2011 10:55 bumatlarge wrote: Well you have to factor in that chaoser is actually a role checker, or someone is telling him strategy. Before anyone lynches or kills him, please tell him, so he can verify himself. Otherwise, ZOOT ZOOT RIOT! ...what? | ||
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On May 24 2011 14:59 bumatlarge wrote: Chaoser, at some point in the night, reveal my role, just so I know your for real, K? Everyone knows neither of you will die tonight....what's the point? | ||
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1. Flamewheel - Chuiu Jack 2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] - vanilla 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] - Kingmaker 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] - Parity Cop 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] - NKVD agent 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] - bus driver 20. Chezinu - CPR doctor 21. Ace [9][11] - capitalist 22. Kurumi [9][x] - ackbar 23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah! 24. Node [9][1] - Copycat 25. kitaman27 [9][1] | ||
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2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] 4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo - vanilla 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] - vanilla 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] - Kingmaker 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] - Parity Cop 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] - NKVD agent 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] - bus driver 20. Chezinu - CPR doctor 21. Ace [9][11] - capitalist 22. Kurumi [9][x] - ackbar 23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah! 24. Node [9][1] - Copycat 25. kitaman27 [9][1] [/QUOTE] | ||
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On May 25 2011 13:39 chaoser wrote: Yeah...and I checked bum and got Bad Santa and what do you know, I was right. So you're telling me Caller doesn't have a role (he picked inventor or chuiu jack)? | ||
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On May 25 2011 13:41 Fishball wrote: Only BC figured out it was a joke, mocking Bang Bang Mafia. I only recognized the "I only talk with my guns" quote, but nothing else. I don't think you should expect other players to figure it out, especially when some of them were never in that game the first place  I figured it out >.> | ||
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On May 25 2011 14:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wait how do you figure Chaoser as scum foolishness? You're too late. It made sense in my head 30 min ago. On the off chance caller isn't mafia maybe I can dig through my brain and figure it out again. Still waiting to hear if GMarshal found anything. At the least he should've confirmed someone. | ||
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On May 25 2011 14:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Was thinking the same thing tbh. It doesn't really matter though because once we kill Caller we'll be left with such a small pool of unconfirmeds that we can just process of elimination it out. No. This is why I hesitated to kill Caller at first. Who's the remaining mafia member? | ||
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On May 25 2011 20:28 GMarshal wrote: I rolechecked foolishness, I'm saving the last list check for todays vote. I'm not going to reveal what he returned, only that the remaining mafia should probably worry. (Or maybe I'm playing mindgames, who knows! ^_^) Someone yesterday said that the list checks confirmed me as innocent. Personally I don't quite see it but if someone figures it out they should say so. Assuming Caller is innocent, we just kill chaoser tomorrow. If Caller is clean then chaoser/bum are most likely the mafia duo. Also, GMarshal can check a list again and if the mole was on it originally they will show up as mafia now. For example the Barundar list from day 1 might be good, which has bum, Radfield, dreamflower (meapak) and kitaman. That could confirm one of these 4 as the remaining mafia, or potentially clear them all. | ||
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On May 26 2011 10:12 Radfield wrote: If there's no mole we're home free. Otherwise it's very difficult to find the mole. Even though Chaoser and Bum have attacked scum, it still only partially clears them. If I was the mole I would just bus my buddies and cruise to the win. Especially in this game where the mafia were already so down and out. hmmmm | ||
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On May 26 2011 17:53 bumatlarge wrote: I was torn between shooting ace and kita, but ace being ousted would solve a lot more problems. That's why earlier I wasn't saying confirmed town rad, I was saying who I thought the remainging scum would be between. Foolishness is obvious because of his connections with ace and what not, but I wouldn't say he has been scummy. Kita has been mostly a nonfactor this game, totally lurkish. Maybe I just haven't been paying close attention, but he seems like a good mole candidate. What about my connection to infinitestory? IS was originally the one defending me against the accusations; Ace just agreed with him (IS seemed to imply that I had been checked by a DT as well). I don't think it's much of a connection (Ace and me) to begin with. We all know mafia don't interact with each other in the thread unless they are in a dire situation. I will also be a bit bold here and say that my activity level has been constant through this game while kitaman's died off a bit after day 3 started. Bit if we're going to use that criterion we should be killing Radfield. Do our vote check lists even confirm that we have a mole, or are we just speculating we do because nobody looks obvious enough at the moment? | ||
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On May 26 2011 19:28 Radfield wrote: Foolishness, in the interest of being clear, do you think I have been mafia from the start of the game, or are you saying you think I'm the mole, because those are very different accusations. Also, you seem to be insinuating that my activity level has dropped since the start of Day 3, when I have posted far more than any other player since that point in the game. As far as our plan moving forward, it depends entirely on which way and what Caller flips. I think you have been mafia since the start of the game. As I have said many times already, I was very perturbed by how you forced Scamp to claim inventor in the thread day 1, as that was 100% beneficial to the mafia. Furthermore, I find it so hard to believe you are the bulletproof, because you did nothing day 1 to try to get the mafia to shoot you (which is your sole purpose for picking that role). Now I do realize that you're Radfield and dying night 1 is God's reason for bringing you to this forum, but you did not do anything to perceive yourself as a threat to the mafia, and you're posting just did not seem to insinuate you had the town's interest in mind. I thought you were just about as helpful to the town as Incognito was. At the moment though, you being mafia means Ace and yourself faked the whole conversation about him role checking you. I don't think you could have faked that chain of events as you did. So no, I'm not going to be pushing to kill you anytime soon. Perhaps I just expected more out of you this game (but it's not really fair for me to say that considering everyone feels the same way about me). Also, I think the best scenario would be if Caller flips mole =P | ||
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And I agree that GMarshal should check an old list in an attempt to narrow down the remaining mafia. If we could confirm 3 people or show that the mafia is in a pool of 3 people it'll make it that much easier for us. Also, Infinitestory said Eiii is the "same" as him. Wasn't this on day 3 when he would have turned up "different" if Eiii was mafia? | ||
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Honestly at this point I feel like we've started a brand new game. The only person I think we can for sure confirm is Radfield, because Ace has no reason to check him on night 1 if he knows he is the mole. I don't think we can for sure confirm GMarshal/chaoser/Bum just because they've done what they were "supposed" to do yesterday. We do not even know for sure that there is a mole, which means we should start with meapak, myself, and kitaman for tomorrow's lynch (remember Eiii was confirmed innocent on day 2 by infinitestory). | ||
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On May 28 2011 13:45 bumatlarge wrote: Poor chaoser, we'll win it for you. GM, when you get around to it, give the results. Assuming there is only one left, they sure are dragging this out, so they must think they at least have a shot. I'm not sure if it's right to think like that, but I can't help it. I think foolishness would have too much dignity to not bite the bullet in his position if he was scum. Or they just want to play it out. I don't think that should be a factor. We're all good players here; I don't see any reason for them to throw in the towel early. We'll wait for GM before we make a move. I suppose Eiii should also post the result of his claim? At least if he checked someone and found they had a really mafia role (such as the GF) he should say so immediately. | ||
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On May 28 2011 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'll wait for GM to post before I talk about kita, my read is back to inconclusive and I'm a little suspicious of Eiii again. Could someone tell me exactly why Eiii is cleared? Infinitestory checked Eiii and got "same" as himself (parity cop). I'm saying that we don't even know for sure if there is a mole so we should act like there isn't one for the time being (and thus Eiii is cleared). | ||
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On May 29 2011 06:37 GMarshal wrote: as long as we lynch into the list we got this game in the bag, if kita is the medic the mafia has no choice but to kill him, which means that at lylo the last person on the list is the mafia. gg scum. Or you're the mole. | ||
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On May 29 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote: Radfeild, the only issue I have with your plan is that there is no guarantee that you are not the mole, as a matter of fact I think it likely that Ace would attack you viciously if you were the mole. So that when he flipped you would have great town cred, its a maneuver I often use as mafia, and one that Ace used to set up a dichotomy between himself and Jackal58 in Sleeper Cell mafia, it worked fantastically there, so I have no doubt that Ace would certainly try to repeat the trick, basically Ace attacking you proves nothing, in my mind at least. That's true, but Ace would not check Radfield night 1 if he was the mole. | ||
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On May 29 2011 09:51 Radfield wrote: I assume this means your down for voting GM? Also, role claims are fairly unimportant right now. We all started as town, so we all have townies roles. No need to lie about them. I'm still thinking about it. The way I see it is that meapak is the only one who could be lying about his claim. kitaman should die tonight. | ||
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On May 29 2011 10:39 kitaman27 wrote: Are we sure Foolishness isn't the traitor? -_- Why should I die? I have the ability to extend the game with a save. GM checked me the other night. I guess if you're thinking GM is the mole then | ||
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Turns out there is one. And actually, it doesn't matter whether we kill you or Eiii with today's lynch. I want to kill you so you and Radfield will both shut up. | ||
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On May 29 2011 11:50 kitaman27 wrote: I though your plan ensures that it doesn't matter who gets lynched tonight? It also relies on you not lying and not being the mole...minor details. | ||
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On May 29 2011 11:58 GMarshal wrote: ... ok I promise I won't criticize it if its solid, but can you reveal it to us, I'm honestly intrigued... if it lets the mafia sabotage it then don't tell obviously, but whatever it is sounds fascinating. You know my role, can you sit and think of a way to guarantee the town to win? | ||
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More like I'm taking care of other things right now. Yes, if nobody does it I will do it myself sooner or later. I'm just trying to save some time. | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I think you should claim now. Everyone has claimed and if your role is that good then Kita can just protect you. Otherwise you really have nothing to hide and by not claiming you're starting to remind me of caller. You're going to die tomorrow, you can just wait until then to ask Ver. | ||
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You know my role, can you sit and think of a way to guarantee the town to win? | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:28 GMarshal wrote: No, I really can't, but I'm obviously missing something. Nah you're not missing anything. On May 29 2011 12:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm unvoting GM. I came home and read through the thread once and made my decision but now that I've read through it again I've changed my mind. Who are you suggesting we kill? | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I am, I just need to flip town. Then if kita dies tonight town kills you. If kita lives town kills kita. Yeah tell me what you have in mind? | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Then why would we kill me tomorrow foolishness? The mafia is not going to hit me, my usefulness as a town player is over. Ahhhh that is where you are mistaken! | ||
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On May 29 2011 13:04 GMarshal wrote: So, what role where you trying for when you got vanilla? It says in flamewheel's post! | ||
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On May 29 2011 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy fucking shit I feel like a dunce. WP GM gj town (no thanks to me lol). Did you actually have any idea what was going on foolishness or were you just faking? Yes, both you and kitman acted precisely how I predicted if you were both town. | ||
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On May 29 2011 13:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The one thing we had was our deaths and our willingness to die lol. That for you, and kitaman questioning my motives "we sure foolishness isn't the traitor?" etc | ||
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On May 29 2011 15:08 Fishball wrote: I was talking to others for the past few days. We all agreed that if Foolishness isn't the Traitor, he really played a garbage game. It almost feels like a different person. GM being alive this far is like screaming I'm the Mole, but no one noticed until the very very end. Qatol already pointed out why, so I won't be following up with all the small details. After Day 4, some "facts" that were used by the remaining players on analysis were just false. That made me cringe. Good thing Radfield was able to pick up most of the "common sense" from there. I just hope he can doubt himself less after making a statement throughout the game. You talk to people? o.O | ||
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Can I call your bluff Mr. don't-PM-me? | ||
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I just want you to make some snappy pun with my name like you usually do | ||
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