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Radfield
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On May 27 2011 09:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote:
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).
You are confused about when the mole kicks in. The mole is inducted the dawn of day ( after night 2 ends). Today is day 4, yesterday was day 3, so I would have been informed I was a mole before I made my list check results public. Its irrelevant though, not lying once in no way clears me, however, I am pointing out that it should at least lessen the possibility that I am a mole. Also as far as I know my lists are now retroactive, so it should be able to spot the mole if he voted in the list I am checking. @Eiii, nice to know you checked me night 2, correct?
You're absolutely right GM, and it certainly does lessen the chance of you being the mole.
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Bum, barring a traitor, we KNOW that there is only one anti-town player left(Set-up was 6 mafia/moles). This gives us two routes to go, a) is he mafia, b) is he the mole. Also I'm pretty sure we can assume there is no godfather, as all the votelists check out.
If he is a 6th mafia member(no mole in the game) then it's pretty much down to foolishness or kitaman, but I doubt thats the case. I think we need to play this as if there is a mole in our midst, as that is the most likely case.
List of remaining players, and a case for them either being or not being the mole. Keep in mind that it's possible people have bussed their teammates, but I think we have to assume that mafia would have played for the win.
Bumatlarge: Shot Ace, this pretty much clears him from being the mole. It's possible he could have bussed his teammate though, but I really doubt it. An extra kp would have been very nice for the mafia to have.
Chaoser: Got a proper read on Caller(vanilla mafia) last night, and pointed him out as scum. Again, it's possible that he might have bussed he teammate, but I think he's telling the truth. I also think that Aces defenses of chaoser were the same as his defense of Barundar, a case of knowing someone is town, and therefore being able to defend them with confidence. I also don't think Ace would telegraph the mole that badly.
GMarshal: Revealed a proper list check after he would have become the mole.
Radfield: Was attacked repeatedly by Ace and pushed to be lynched.
Meapak_Ziphh: Came out firing on Day 3 by pushing for both Ace and Caller to be lynched. Kept up his pressure on Caller, and kept up his posting regularity
Foolishness: Attacked a fair bit by Chez, Kurumi and tnkted. Doesn't seemingly alter his playstyle once Day 3 hits. Has played somewhat scummy all game(calling for scum-hunting but not doing it, skim reading the thread, etc).
Kitaman: Has a big blowout with Caller and pushes for his role claim. Otherwise seems reasonable in his posting. His activity goes way up once Day 3 hits, and not in a scummy way.
Eiii: Has a total of 7 posts once Day 3 hits. None of them are substantial and only a couple are game related in any way(and only 1 is more than 1 line). He is also defended by Kurumi several times during the game when he didn't needed to be defended. Prior to Day 3, despite not having a lot of posts, all his posts were paragraphs, and all addressed game issues. My vote for the mole.
##Vote Eiii
I'd like to look through the dead mafia posts again though(and I encourage everyone else to do the same), but this is a good start.
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Radfield
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Ver, there is an error(I hope) in your OP:
There are 6 of 19 townies remaining.
There are 1 of 6 Mafia remaining.
There are ? of ? Moles remaining
There are 8 players left in the game, so I really hope that should read "7 of 19 townies remaining". Or are we to infer that there are actually two anti-town players left in the game? I'm just going off the fact that you stated the set-up would be 6 total mafia/moles in the game.
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whoops, it's night time. Guess I can hold off on my vote 
Night Actions:
Medic needs to protect GMarshal.
GMarshal should check either the KillerSOS or the Barundar lists.
Chaoser should check Foolishness, Kitaman or Eiii.
Any remaining Town KP should be directed at Eiii.
Eiii and any other role cops should be looking for a potential traitor, so anyone who does not have a confirmed or already checked role. I think this is either Kitaman and Meapak.
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Radfield
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On May 27 2011 13:39 Ver wrote:
Also I want to hear everyone's opinion on shorter days and maybe nights. I can end nights as soon as I know I get everyone's actions, and days can be shortened to 24 hours or less if the lynch is unanimous, or something in between.
I think unanimous lynches should be shortened to 24 hour days. 24 Hour nights are generally fine as it gives some time to discuss the lynch flip and night actions.
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Also, if we have a medic left among foolishness, Meapak or Kita, obviously protect GM.
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lol, awesome.... Somehow I think mafia would be given the win in that situation.
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GM, if you don't show up with your list check at some point you're going to force us to actually work for this win...
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On May 27 2011 19:08 Radfield wrote:
Radfield: Was attacked repeatedly by Ace and pushed to be lynched.
Meapak_Ziphh: Came out firing on Day 3 by pushing for both Ace and Caller to be lynched. Kept up his pressure on Caller, and kept up his posting regularity
Kitaman: Has a big blowout with Caller and pushes for his role claim. Otherwise seems reasonable in his posting. His activity goes way up once Day 3 hits, and not in a scummy way.
Eiii: Has a total of 7 posts once Day 3 hits. None of them are substantial and only a couple are game related in any way(and only 1 is more than 1 line). He is also defended by Kurumi several times during the game when he didn't needed to be defended. Prior to Day 3, despite not having a lot of posts, all his posts were paragraphs, and all addressed game issues. My vote for the mole.
##Vote Eiii
I wish you had done the other list GM, as it had both myself and Bum on it, which would have given us a better starting spot. For what it's worth, GM is not 100% cleared , though Bum and Foolishness are.
Anyways I think Eiii is the mole. Whomever the mole was, they made a huge blunder not killing GM last night. They simply had to risk the medic and shoot for him, as leaving him alive ends it.
#Vote Eiii
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Please stop arguing.
There are two possibilies right now:
a) GMarshal is scum. Whether the mole or mafia he is currently lying to us about this most recent list check.
b) GMarshal is not scum. Therefore he is telling the truth about his list check and there is a mole in play. One of either Radfield, Kitaman, Eiii or Meapak is the mole.
For now I am willing to accept that GM is telling the truth and is not the mole.
For those who doubt it, I am 100% positive foolishness and meapak are medics, even though I do not know their roles.
Do you mean to say that Foolishness and meapak ARE NOT medics? Otherwise I don't understand how we could have 3 medics.
Either way, lets kill Eiii today. If you are actually the medic, we pretty much win, as the mole cannot kill you or another player on the scum list(that would narrow down the list). The mole has to shoot at Foolishness and Bum first night, and has to kill you second night(as you will be protecting whomever is still alive out of those two). At this point I think we win.
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Radfield
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The breakdown:
Alive right now:
Foolishness
Bum
GM
Radfield
Eiii
Kitaman
Meapak
We lynch Eiii, and the mole kills Foolishness:
Bum
GM
Radfield
Kitaman
Meapak
We lynch Meapak
Bum
GM
Radfield
Kitaman
and now the mole has a problem, he cannot kill Bum, as Bum will be protected by Kitaman, therefore he must shoot either GM or Kitaman, and we lynch whichever player is left
This is a foolproof plan, except it relies on an assumption that I am not the mole. I like to think that the way ace pushed to have me lynched clears me of the mole, but you guys can decide that.
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Ver, does the mole lose his original drafted power once he becomes inducted?
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On May 29 2011 04:27 Foolishness wrote:
I'm confused, explain to me again why we shouldn't be killing meapak?
Why would we kill Meapak? What makes him more likely to be the mole than Eiii or Kitaman?
Also, If you have a defensive role, you should claim, so that Kitaman can protect Bum tonight and we are guaranteed victory.
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EBWOP: What makes him more likely to be the mole than Eiii, Kitaman, GM or myself.
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Foolishness, if you do not think I am the mole then this is the plan to follow:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2011 04:26 Radfield wrote:
The breakdown:
Alive right now:
Foolishness
Bum
GM
Radfield
Eiii
Kitaman
Meapak
We lynch Eiii, and the mole kills Foolishness:
Bum
GM
Radfield
Kitaman
Meapak
We lynch Meapak
Bum
GM
Radfield
Kitaman
and now the mole has a problem, he cannot kill Bum, as Bum will be protected by Kitaman, therefore he must shoot either GM or Kitaman, and we lynch whichever player is left
This is a foolproof plan, except it relies on an assumption that I am not the mole. I like to think that the way ace pushed to have me lynched clears me of the mole, but you guys can decide that.
From my perspective, we have won unless you guys decide to lynch me. We also auto-win if you(foolishness) are a defensive role. We also auto-win if the medic protects someone.
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OK GM, I'm calling your bluff. We lynch you today to assure that the list is correct. I've gone through your posts and am building a case as to why I think you are the mole.
Foolishness is right, it's unlikely that Eiii would have sent in his kill but not his role check. Possible but unlikely.
##Unvote
##Vote GMarshal
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Why GM is the mole. I hadn't actually looked through GM's post-Day 3 history yet, and had simply written him off as being pro-town because of the fact that he released his list-check before the police radio went off. However, as I've said before, if I were the mole I would carry on playing pro-town, and bus all my teammates. Lets assume for a minute that that's what GM is doing, but lets see if we can find any slip-ups along the way.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2011 15:12 GMarshal wrote:
Sorry for the late post guys, I checked the Incognito list.
1 of Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar is scum. The rest are townies, or cleverly disguised mafia.
My bet is chaoser
Take this as a "fuck you" mafia for not killing me. Now I have to substantiate all that stuff I said in what was supposed to be my last post.
Oh and ##Vote: Caller
The list has spoken.
First slip up, an apology. On Day 2, GM posted his list check about 9 hours after the day post. On Day 3, he posted about 3 hours after the day post, and yet apologized for his lateness. Why the apology? It is uncalled for and irrelevant. Let me be clear: THERE IS NO REASON FOR AN APOLOGY. Not a single player had questioned his whereabouts, and other than foolishness post immediately after the day-post, no player had mentioned GM. All I can assume is that he had been delaying making his post(presumably talking to mafia?), and as such felt the need to make an apology. Damning, certainly not, but very strange.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2011 09:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote:
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).
You are confused about when the mole kicks in. The mole is inducted the dawn of day ( after night 2 ends). Today is day 4, yesterday was day 3, so I would have been informed I was a mole before I made my list check results public. Its irrelevant though, not lying once in no way clears me, however, I am pointing out that it should at least lessen the possibility that I am a mole. Also as far as I know my lists are now retroactive, so it should be able to spot the mole if he voted in the list I am checking. @Eiii, nice to know you checked me night 2, correct? On May 26 2011 00:27 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 03:27 Ver wrote:
Mole:
You are a townie...wait a minute. Initially given a normal townie role, but mafia is given his identity. After Night 2 ends, the mole receives his “Mole” role and mafia list. Mafia cannot PM him and he cannot PM mafia until he is formally inducted (day 3). There may be any number of moles.
Mepak, moles were induced yesterday, not today. But you have a point, my past lists are rendered unreliable, and we can only judge actions that took place *after* the end of night 2 to judge people, as any previous town behavior might be due to the insidious nature of the mole. I'm pretty sure that the only clear townie at the moment is bum for having shot Ace, which he would not have done were he mafia. The rest of us must be judged on our behavior over the past day and night.
He knows the rule to the moles very well, and points out players inaccuracies when they come up. Again, this is not conclusive by any means, but players tend to know their own roles very well.
Now we hit on some truly damning evidence. He twice calls for players to use their night actions on Caller. First the dt, and then any type of vigilante. Again, this is not damning in itself, but must be put in context of the whole picture.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 08:07 infinitestory wrote:
Oh, in that case we do have a living Alignment DT! :D happy news ^_^ Can I request he check Caller tonight? If he finds him town he should let us know, so we know there is a framer at play. If he is scum then we can trust our list checks to be mostly reliable, at least at finding scum. If the DT would rather do something else then we probably have no choice but to lynch Caller tomorrow, which I would rather not do, as lynches for information are terrible play. On May 25 2011 00:19 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 23:24 deconduo wrote:On May 24 2011 23:12 Radfield wrote:
So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.
This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9). Either way, Caller should be vigged tonight if we have one. I agree with this. I'd also really like it if a rolecop could verify chaoser's claim. As to all other DT actions, the risk of the framing godfather means we can't direct them. I trust them to do what they must. I'm considering saving my list check tonight and using a rolecheck instead. Thoughts?
oops, notice that extra slip-up that I italicized. His first post of Day 3 was voting for Caller. All of a sudden now it's a bad idea to lynch caller 'for information'. Why the flip-flop? At what point did voting for caller go from a killing scum to killing for info.
Also these two posts are back to back, but a day and half apart. A symptom of GM's diminished activity since Day 3 perhaps?
Discounts the NRA theory. Questions Questions Questions.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2011 00:09 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2011 22:46 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh here's an idea, wiggles checked the NRA member? That would explain why it triggered, and it would be a likely pick for town. Still don't know what LAT, the initials hes been putting in his posts, refer to. So maybe everyone should announce their checks just before night ends, so we may get somewhere. they would have to say it last second though, so mafia cant mess with the process. Righty? My guess is last and third word of every sentence, but I haven't gotten anywhere with that. Your NRA theory is interesting, my only concern is that a townie would do better to take methman than NRA member, as the NRA member makes punishes detectives as well as mafia. Should we encourage this person to claim? Or do we want mafia to run afoul of his rifle? Also, why are you discarding the possibility of a mafia vigilante? I think that would be a role mafia would not mind picking up, especially considering the fact that they have a piddling one kp.
More Questions:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2011 10:54 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2011 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The lack of discussion is killing us. Once Caller dies we literally have no plan. I agree, theres no way for us to find the mole if we don't have activity and such to help us pin down scummy people. So, let me open this to discussion, what list should I be checking with my last listcheck? Should we consider a mass roleclaim now that we are approaching the endgame, or should we hold out on that? Lastly who of the remaining players do you think is most likely to be scum?
In the last few pages GM has posted time and time again: Lynch me now, but don't you dare try to lynch me two days from now. ?? Why is he posting this? What is his motivation? Obviously we won't lynch him today to check the lists, we'd vote off the players we thought scummy on the list first, and THEN vote him off at the end if those scummy players flipped green. But he is trying to head this off at the pass.
Kitaman was also right about GMs post today. Why did he make excuses for Chaoser dying? What is the townie prerogative to try and rationalize a mafia kill at this stage of the game?
You're right though GM, this was slightly brought up by your refusal to accept me as a very sure non-mole. Fact of the matter is, the actions that have gone on this game, all game long, point to me being town aligned+ Show Spoiler +Do any other players actually think that Ace checked me night one to make sure I didn't run afoul of the NRA? Or that he would bother to bring up my role at all in the thread(let alone mention 8 times that I was scummy because of it). Or that Ace softballing me and linking me to incog all game, then trying to lynch me(his mole) in the exact same fashion as Incog was a ploy?
Also, what are you doing still alive? You're list checks were a massive asset to town, and the mafia absolutely should have been gunning for you at all costs. It was obvious a medic would protect you(maybe 2 or more defensive roles) so why didn't Kurumi plow into you? And why oh why did the mole not kill you last night! The mole had to know that if you lived to reveal a list check, the game is over and town wins. He HAD to gamble and try to take you out, as you are the real threat, not chaoser.
The only possible reason you are still alive in this game, is if you are the mole.
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Radfield
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The mole, GMarshal: ![[image loading]](http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/weirdscience/mole%20powers.jpg)
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GMarshal's postcount numbers:
Day 1: 22 posts
Day 2: 14 Posts
Other than some double post EBWOP's, there are virtually zero one-liner style posts.
Day 3: 8 posts(4 one-liners)
Hmm, looking for a player with reduced activity and a changed posting style? Look no further.
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Another contradiction: he gives Bum a pass for making a pro-town move, and declares him a clear townie. Yet, he will not do the same for himself despite the fact that he made a clear pro-town move as well. Nor will he do the same for me, despite the fact that anti-town moves were made against me.
Bum makes a pro-town move = Sure Townie
GM makes a pro-town move = Not a sure townie
Care to clear this contradiction up for me?
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