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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote: If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously. And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. Why would You die? You claimed Vanilla Townie,wasn't so active and aren't tied to noone probably,I think we have other people we should worry about getting killed,like GMarshal. Are You trying to say You're not vanilla after all? | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 22 2011 06:53 Radfield wrote: Anyways, we have more pressing matters at hand. For what it's worth, here are my thoughts heading into night. If we are dead set on lynching Incog tomorrow, then we shouldn't bother to waste any actions on him tonight. GMarshal should get a bulletproof vest from Node. This opens them up to a suicide bomber, but we risk worse by simply encouraging everyone to protect him. Having node make the vest leaves whatever other protective roles we have open and able to defend other key players. Obviously alignment checks in the list, but with a possible framer/godframer out there it may make sense for DTs to go with their guts. tnkted is a good role check(bus driver) though there are other good targets as well. Protective Roles: Deconduo is for sure town in my eyes. I understand your argument ace(I am difficult to lynch), but it certainly doesnt apply to decon. Meapak_Ziphh is also almost surely town. I had a strong townie feeling on Dreamflower, and Meapak is independantly oozing green as well. Fishball is town partly because he's playing reverse mafia tactics. Coast and don't bother contributing at the beginning of the game, contribute more and more as the game goes on. A few other players are surely or very likely town as well(you can check out my list a few pages back), but I doubt will be particularly juicy for mafia to hit. At this point, another mislynch will be disastrous for us. I'm going to ask everyone to kindly read over my Ace analysis with the view of trying to find mafia. Obviously, if I'm mafia, I'm going to try to save myself. But at the same time, as a townie, I'm going to do that too. As a townie, I'm also going to try to find scum. So dismissing my analysis because you think I'm egotistical or I'm just trying to dupe you again isn't a very good move. Consider for yourselves whether Ace is truly mafia or not before deciding to lynch me. Radfield: going ahead and lynching me because lynching Ace would be an "unpopular" move is not very pro-town. If you agree that Ace is mafia, then you have to see what he's trying to do here. He is trying to get massive political support for both our lynches when there really is no evidence. It doesn't make sense to go ahead with lynching me if you see that Ace is mafia. You say that I "obviously need to be lynched, as no case against Ace can progress with all the suspicion on my head". Can you clarify this statement? I don't understand the reasoning as to why Ace is unlynchable until I'm dead. If Ace's behavior indicates that he is mafia, as I've shown, then we should lynch him, period. Our goal is to lynch mafia. It seems that Radfield, Dreamflower/Meapak, and I all agree that Ace is scum. Given yesterday's vote, I don't see how "public opinion" should scare us into making the wrong decision. It is clear that a lot of people are unsure about the issue. Once Ace flips red, all doubts about me should be cleared. Tomorrows lynch must be decided by analysis. Look at the case against Ace, and the case against me. External factors such as vote list checks or "town consensus" should not matter here. Analysis is the key. Ace's response to my accusation has once again been avoidance. Ace isn't showing his typical confidence right now, and he doesn't bother refuting my points. Ace's responses show that he's giving up the argument. He knows that the only way for him to escape this one is if he ensures that everyone else is distracted by my lynch. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:39 infinitestory wrote: rofl @ you talking about Ace "escaping this one" shhhhh,I am hunting for a wabbit 'ere | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote: If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously. And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:56 Node wrote: I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. Right, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor? | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
And whether or not I agree with deconduo has no bearing on the fact that you're extraordinarily scummy. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: WRight, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor? Well Kita you did pop up three minutes after someone seconded a call against you so you have been reading the thread. Mind telling us why you haven't been posting? What do you think of Ace vs Incog/Radfield? Who do you think is scum? Why? Who do you think is town? Why? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:38 Incognito wrote: Radfield: going ahead and lynching me because lynching Ace would be an "unpopular" move is not very pro-town. If you agree that Ace is mafia, then you have to see what he's trying to do here. He is trying to get massive political support for both our lynches when there really is no evidence. It doesn't make sense to go ahead with lynching me if you see that Ace is mafia. You say that I "obviously need to be lynched, as no case against Ace can progress with all the suspicion on my head". Can you clarify this statement? I don't understand the reasoning as to why Ace is unlynchable until I'm dead. If Ace's behavior indicates that he is mafia, as I've shown, then we should lynch him, period. Our goal is to lynch mafia. You're probably right Incog. But my reasoning is simple though and goes like this: I don't think I can effectively make a case to lynch Ace over you. Too many players in the thread can no longer read your posts with an open mind, and have already decided you're scum. I don't think any effort on my part will sway their mind. It's the price you pay for opening up Day 1 with scummy play(which you did). On the flip side, it's a fairly subtle case that needs to be built against Ace at this point since he hasn't stuck his neck out at all this game and has yet to come down on the wrong side of a lynch. Once you flip town, people who at the moment are not willing to look deeply into Ace's play will be more willing. Mind you, if everything goes wrong in the next cycle, we may actually lose by mislynching you. 6 mafia + 1 traitor vs 7 town. Also, it goes without saying, but if you survive the night, do not use your nuke. It will simply get bussed again. We just have to hope that the politician is not in the game(and it seems it isn't). Also, it's sad to say, but you dying tonight would do wonders for the town. Fortunately the busdriver only has one more bus, so he can't bus you tonight and steal your nuke tomorrow. I'm betting you get bussed tonight onto a solid townie though. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 22 2011 08:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: W Well Kita you did pop up three minutes after someone seconded a call against you so you have been reading the thread. Mind telling us why you haven't been posting? What do you think of Ace vs Incog/Radfield? Who do you think is scum? Why? Who do you think is town? Why? Hmm? I've been posting. As stated before Chez, Deconduo, and Foolishness are my top scum suspects. Radfield I have a town read for his decisive pro-town posting. Incog has been a pretty big distraction, but I'm not sold on him being scum. With the bus driver in play, he better not be nuking tomorrow. Ace I don't have a read one way or the other. As for Node, it doesn't really matter to me if think I'm scum or not, but if you try to come up with some excuse why you decided not to save GMarshal, then I'm pushing for you. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 22 2011 07:38 Incognito wrote: At this point, another mislynch will be disastrous for us. I'm going to ask everyone to kindly read over my Ace analysis with the view of trying to find mafia. Obviously, if I'm mafia, I'm going to try to save myself. But at the same time, as a townie, I'm going to do that too. As a townie, I'm also going to try to find scum. So dismissing my analysis because you think I'm egotistical or I'm just trying to dupe you again isn't a very good move. Consider for yourselves whether Ace is truly mafia or not before deciding to lynch me. Radfield: going ahead and lynching me because lynching Ace would be an "unpopular" move is not very pro-town. If you agree that Ace is mafia, then you have to see what he's trying to do here. He is trying to get massive political support for both our lynches when there really is no evidence. It doesn't make sense to go ahead with lynching me if you see that Ace is mafia. You say that I "obviously need to be lynched, as no case against Ace can progress with all the suspicion on my head". Can you clarify this statement? I don't understand the reasoning as to why Ace is unlynchable until I'm dead. If Ace's behavior indicates that he is mafia, as I've shown, then we should lynch him, period. Our goal is to lynch mafia. It seems that Radfield, Dreamflower/Meapak, and I all agree that Ace is scum. Given yesterday's vote, I don't see how "public opinion" should scare us into making the wrong decision. It is clear that a lot of people are unsure about the issue. Once Ace flips red, all doubts about me should be cleared. Tomorrows lynch must be decided by analysis. Look at the case against Ace, and the case against me. External factors such as vote list checks or "town consensus" should not matter here. Analysis is the key. Ace's response to my accusation has once again been avoidance. Ace isn't showing his typical confidence right now, and he doesn't bother refuting my points. Ace's responses show that he's giving up the argument. He knows that the only way for him to escape this one is if he ensures that everyone else is distracted by my lynch. No confidence? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha You're Scum. It's night time. I have a gun. Why do I even need to respond to your post? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good lord you're funnier than George Carlin. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I'll try to get it up before night ends. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
Incog/Ace: Stop arguing about the lynch tmrw before we see what happens tonight. Both of you could be dead. I'm surprised ace isn't dead already; incog's life doesn't suprise me so much because mafia could just say "oh we'll lynch him tomorrow, he can't possibly escape again." That being said, I'm not sold on an ace lynch... Incog just posted a big ol' wall of text talking about how ace has avoided his pressure, but from my own (limited) experience playing with ace, he doesn't always RESPOND to pressure. Thats part of what makes him so fustrating. Regardless, neither of the two of them are our most important lynch targets tomorrow. Assuming that Chezinu isn't vig'd tonight, he's almost certain to be our lynch tomorrow - or was the plan to have the kingmaker do it? That's just dandy as well. Meap: No, I am not the Bus Driver. I didn't even try to get that role, despite claiming I wanted it. Actually, the fact that I claimed I would be taking that role should have dissuaded the people lower than me on the list from trying to take it. That would mean that bus driver is somewhere above me. Here's the list (if someone wanted to fill in roles and fill in the blanks, that'd be great): On May 15 2011 13:01 Ver wrote: Draft Order Results: 1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield claimed but i don't recall what it was 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo vanilla? 8. Foolishness 9. bumatlarge watcher 10. Kavdragon Vanilla? I don't remember 11. Chaoser 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii 15. Infinitestory 16. Dreamflower 17. Mr.Wiggles 18. Original Name Village Idiot 19. tnkted 20. Chezinu 21. Ace 22. Kurumi 23. Incognito 24. Node copycat/inventor 25. kitaman27 Now if we look at the list, who are the people above me that still don't have roles claimed, but are suspicious? Forgive me if I am forgetting a role here, but my suspicion list would include: Chaoser Eiii Foolishness Mr. Wiggles I'm debating whether or not to throw dreamflower/meap on here, but I really suspect that he's actually the assassin. Look at Dreamflower's posting style before she was replaced: it was rare, but huge posts that helped town a lot, which allowed her to stay under towns radar while also staying on townie lists. Thats a sign of either a blue role (we all blue roles!) or a third party. I'm also debating ace for the reasons above. Anyway, time to party like its 1999. IM RAPTURE READY BABY | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + Foolishness I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + Foolishness I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal. Not surprising, and good to know. Whether you tell the truth or not is irrelevant at this point. On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: Now, as you all been waiting for Too bad, I was the only one who questioned it ;/ | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 22 2011 11:02 Chezinu wrote: yeah, I tried to get information out of him, but that didn't happen. He was waiting to get me confirmed by Ver. I'm kind of disappointed in myself this game. Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid. You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
On May 22 2011 11:11 Fishball wrote: Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid. You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please. Right after I got my role. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
There is actually a bunch of stuff that doesn't really add up and I have questions about, but I'm in the middle of my workout right now. I'll post them in an hour or so. | ||
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