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Node, excellent work on the Police Radio. That was a really good invention assuming GM died last night. Also, I think we can operate under the assumption that there is no suicide bomber. Last night was an absolute perfect opportunity to bomb GMarshal. Mafia were wayyy up, and could afford 1 member in order to cut the legs out from under us. | ||
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On May 22 2011 23:32 bumatlarge wrote: We can wait for the radio before jumping on to anything for certain. I still doubt that Ace is scum, even with incog popping town. Can we also analyzed exactly what happened yesterday and what mafia KP is at right now? I think we can reasonably assume it is at 1. 2kp were used yesterday to hit FW and scamp. 2kp were used today to hit node and barundar. Chez the scum CPR is dead, so that leaves only 1 kp for mafia to use, if we assume mafia didn't get very unlucky with stacked hits (also assuming ace used his KP on incog). I think we are in a better spot then people are making us out to be. Lack of politician and CGF, evidence of alternate GF leave 2 open roles. Neither seem to have consistent KP like CPR, so we can probably dote on what they will be. NRA Member Hero Janitor Vengeful player Zombie Framer These are what I find most likely at this point. NRA, janitor, hero and framer seem obvious, as the other two require getting lynched. They all involve causing confusion for town in order to extend the game and as such put it in their favor. I do not think they have more KP then town at this point, so we might have the upperhand if this is the case. So I think we should for the moment heed what caller and radfield say, and take more then just DT actions into consideration when deciding lynches. It will benefit us until we see more information that say otherwise. I think the radio will help a good deal with this, as I find it unlikely scum picked dt roles. And also I will have to confess, I am not really the watcher  the radio will show that, but I can explain if you want me to. Otherwise, I'd rather keep my real role a secret.I didn't think you were the watcher to tell you the truth, hence the semi-accusatory tone. + Show Spoiler + I disagree with your list though. I think it more likely that in addition to taking the really powerful anti-town roles(cpr doc, godframer), they would try to take roles that are both useful to town AND useful to mafia. Roles that would hopefully cause other townies to get vanilla. Role Cop, Assasin, Capitalist, Bad Santa, Vig, Mafia 4 Vet, etc. Frankly, Role Cop or Capitalist + Assasin is an excellent choice for mafia. This is all besides the point though. | ||
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I'd like people to notice that Ace is still pushing for me. First I was scummy because I defended Incog, then I was scummy for taking bulletproof. I'm not really sure why I'm scummy now. Mass claim does us nothing in this game. Way too many roles, and you can always just claim vanilla. Caller mind you, should role claim. He is in a position where a fake role claim is harder to pull off, and he could potentially get busted by someone lower down the list. Lets do a real quick break down of aces last post: On May 23 2011 02:59 Ace wrote: As for the GM list there are a few problems here. 1.) GM is still alive Why would the mafia want to keep any information roles alive? Even bumatlarge, a claimed (or fakeclaimed) watcher has been left alive. Assuming both are town then the Mafia have some way of screwing up information roles, otherwise there is no reason to leave them alive. Spreading doubt about GM's lists 2.) As stated before, the players on the GM list have been purposely trimmed down This is actually a big deal. GM finds 2 scum on the list and Node along with Flamewheel are killed. Of course I shoot Incognito and there we have it. Not actually quite sure what you're arguing for here. This has all been said, and you're not adding anything new. 3.) Barundar is dead and flipped town No one has talked about his role flip, but the more important fact here is that almost all the top picks have been eliminated along with the Inventor. Only Caller and Radfield have survived among the top 5, with GM being "explained" already. These 2 were not hit for a reason, and I'm inclined to believe that Radfield being alive is more suspicious as his Bulletproof is now a nice excuse for not being night hit. Also note that Barundar had 5 votes on him, flipped town, and 4 of those suspects are still alive. The only one that died was KillerSOS who got lynched due to a crap train. Read this again folks. The idea that me and caller are scummy because we are alive is outrageous. The mafia have only had the chance to kill 4 players this game, and every one of those kills has made sense. Maybe if the mafia had been dumping excess kills on randoms this argument would hold water. Bulletproof is not an excuse for not getting night hit, it's simply a reality. YOU were the one who forced my claim and outted me, so don't try and make this some elaborate cover up by me. Obviously if I could of had my way, my role would have stayed hidden all game. You were all for killing KillerSOS Ace, so don't try to dodge that one. You may have wanted to lynch Incog, but you were pushing for Killer to get the kinglynch. Perhaps all the people on the 'crap train'(the third one this game according to Ace), wanted to lynch him for EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS AS YOU. You are again trying to hide from having blood on your hands. Damn right I wanted to lynch KillerSOS, he was super scummy, and dropped a bunk claim(tracking you). 4.) Back to Incognito If you think I'm scum because Incognito died scrub your brain. I've already explained that he was playing Scummy from the beginning but we're not going to rehash that. Read the thread if you want. I've read the thread, and I think you're scum because you have contributed nothing, poked at people and then distanced yourself(Kitaman, KillerSOS), and focused on getting the best townie in the game killed. 5.) Since it's almost, or surely LYLO either everyone should be role claiming now. Starting with Caller of course. I expect that no one is going to claim King Maker or bus driver so we'll be dealing with a few lies here. With no solid direction on who is Scum today, I think this is our best option. Caller should roleclaim. No one else. A mass role claim nets us nothing as anyone can claim vanilla and that they tried for a dead role, not to mention there are over 60 roles to choose from. On the other hand, a mass roleclaim helps the mafia loads. We likely still have power roles hidden away, which is where they should stay. Not to mention that a mass role claim completely diverts our attention away from scum hunting, and back onto policy. Terrible idea. for effect: ##Vote Ace | ||
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Anyways... ##Vote tnkted Chaoser's was a fine claim. We can now not bother with him, as he will either die, or present us with more info. Mafia only have 1 kp(without the CPR), if they want to use it on chaoser, that's fine. Consider that we have a Parity Cop, Alignment Cop, M2DT, Modern Detective(chaoser), Capitalist? (Ace) and a role cop(no mafia role cop would have checked GM, they would have known he was telling the truth, makes perfect sense for a townie to check GM). As far as the lists go, we're probably only actually looking for 5 mafia(not 7 as caller seems to be insinuating). Neither the mole nor traitor had likely flipped by yesterday. Also, I would guess there is at least one godfather type role. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 13:09 Ver wrote: INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar killersos: 10 flamewheel meapak kurumi deconduo radfield eiii incognito mr. wiggles tnkted kitaman KillerSOS is to be lynched * Incog List: Chaoser is off the list for the time being(we can press him for bums role and Bum can semi-confirm him). Infinitestory is town. That leaves Ace and Foolishness. Ace(#1) is wayyyyy more scummy than Foolishness. * KillerSOS List: Meapak is town, Decon is town, Wiggles is town. This leaves one mafia out of: eiii, kitiman, kurumi.(#2) * With tnkted and Chez gone(#3 and #4), that actually just leaves the godfather if there is one, or as caller pointed out, one of Fishball, Bumatlarge, GMarshal or Caller is mafia.(#5) * We also have a number 6 now, but as he is the mole, we have very little to go on. Any townie, no matter how confirmed, could now be mafia. If we imagine for a moment that there isn't any type of framer role in the game, things actually add up very nicely. In fact, if there is no framer type role, then Caller being mafia works perfectly, as he would cement GM's first list, and fill out the missing players from the Day 2 lists. This would assume 1 godfather, but no framer. Wiggles, it's a good idea to use GM's check on the tnkted vote today(and get every living player on the vote), since presumably it would give us the total number of mafia. But in reality this wouldn't really work, as the godframer would just frame a player, bringing the total number of mafia back to where it should be(4). So checking the entire player list actually doesn't give us any concrete mafia numbers, as we can't deduce whether there is a godframer or not. Actually, reading through your post again you go through this possibility as well as the possibility of investigating one of the one-vote players from Day 1. I think this is the better option, or we have the option of telling people to vote certain ways today. Anyone who we think is scummy doesn't vote with the group, but instead votes for a single person. This hopefully gives us a big list of probable townies on one list(tnkted) and a bunch of scummy players with single votes elsewhere. GM then checks whomever he thinks most likely to be scum. Godframer can't cover everyone, so there is a good likelyhood GM can WIFOM his way to a successful check. I would say that these players should all be voting singularly today, and not with the group: Eiii Kurumi Kitaman27 Ace Chaoser Foolishness Caller Any other player that people think is scummy(myself? Bum?) Everyone else votes with the group on tnkted. Thoughts? Also, we should consider having the parity cop, role cop and alignment cop all claim. They are basically sure townies, and I doubt mafia would have the balls to counter-claim. We don't necessarily need these claims just yet, but certainly if you are headed towards a lynching tomorrow. | ||
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Meapak, I agree we should be discussing tomorrow's lynch. I think Ace is it by a long shot. He is still tunneling me(an unkillable, analytical player), with very little reasoning: On May 23 2011 04:36 Ace wrote: And Node was killed Night 2 along with Barundar Flamewheel got a nuke bussed on to him What don't you understand here? There was a concentrated effort to eliminate the top of the list. Radfield wasn't shot NIGHT 1, before he was revealed to be Bullet proof. Are you misreading on purpose here? This isn't even a sensible argument anymore. Now because I wasn't killed or shot at night 1, I must be scum. I realize that this argument has been made in jest before(I DO die a lot night 1), but I hardly think it carries much weight. Yes, there was a concentrated effort to eliminate the top of the list, hence why #1 and #2 picks were shot at and why the #6 pick(me) was not shot at. Is that clear enough for you Ace? On May 23 2011 04:47 Ace wrote: Ok let's start over. In the beginning of the game Radfield comes up with a plan. It is later revealed he doesn't follow this plan by me. Myself and Fishball have a conversation about Radfield not following his own plan. Radfield starts complaining. My logic is that of the 2 night kills on Day 1, Radfield was conveniently NOT targeted. Whether the Mafia finds out he is BP on Day 2, he is once again not targeted right? My argument is that if he is Mafia he has a convenient alibi for not being targeted while everyone else in those top slots except Caller was - namely that everyone knew he was BP hence Mafia wouldn't hit him. But "no one" knew until I allegedly revealed his role. So for a full 2 game days he was not once popped. Why wasn't the nuke redirected towards him? Flamewheel as Chuiu Jack already claimed to use his Vet powers Night 1 to save himself. Why wouldn't the mafia nuke the bulletproof townie and just kill FW Night 2? lol? On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote: And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Agreed. I've never said I should be cleared because I took Bulletproof. I'm simply saying that me being bulletproof certainly does not make me scummy. If I was godfather, I probably would have taken bulletproof as it fits my persona. That being said, unless you think me and decon are scumbuddies, and felt it worth the risk to make an unnecessary claim(anyone lower on the list could have outted us both), then you have to assume I actually AM Bulletproof. And If Ace had not outted my role, then I still would have been vulnerable to townie nightkills anyways. Unless you think Ace is in on the plot. Anyways,me being Bulletproof doesn't clear me outright, but it is neutral at worst. _________ Looking at tomorrow, I think it likely that we will see the kinglynch directed in an anti-town way from a mafia player on the ropes, killing off a pro-town player. If it doesn't happen, we need to agree on who we are lynching NOW, before anyone can make an excuse. So we actually have two players to kill tomorrow, the kinglynch, and the regular lynch. I would say Ace should be kept for the regular lynch, as it will be interesting to see who comes down where on his vote. I'm not sure who the kinglynch should be, but a good starting place is going back through tnkted posts(once he flips). __________ I actually doubt we have any medics, but in the interest of being thorough: Protection should be given to GMarshal, with some for Fishball(good player, pro-town). Meapak probably has a hatter role so will not get hit. Bum probably has a defensive role. Chaoser should be left for the mafia to clear up. Radfield cannot be nightkilled No one else should be given protection. Agreement/Disagreement? | ||
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On May 23 2011 20:09 kitaman27 wrote: Should we even be discussing alignment checks with the potential Framer and Godframer in play? I would rather trust the detectives to do what they think best and keep mafia in the dark. I'm also surprised more people aren't pushing Caller to role claim. Yes, Caller should role claim, then our role-cop can confirm his role tonight. If he is lying, poof. If he tells us his role now, and takes a hit because of it, so be it, our list is clear. I also agree that we should not be directing anyone's alignment checks. Those should be left solely up to the cops themselves. What is your role Caller. | ||
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A possibility is that Foolishness is the Recruiting Mason and had already spoken with Chez before. Which would make his actions more reasonable. | ||
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Really what we should be doing is going through and actually analyzing your play, as opposed to just taking the Police Radio as gospel. But I don't really have the time right now, nor the inclination, given that I don't think I could sway the town vote even if I went through your posts and thought you were super-town. As it is, I have you just above scummy on my list, so you flipping red wouldn't surprise me at all. | ||
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Tnkted, I read through the posts you compiled, and I stand approximately where I did before. If scummy was 1 and confirmed townie 5, you're still a 2. You wouldn't be on my shortlist, but you're definitely down there. As such, I think trusting our dt check is the best bet here. The lack of discussion makes me uncomfortable, but anyone trying to defend you would just attract unwanted attention to themselves. | ||
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Eiii, is Kitaman or Kurumi the scum? Kitaman, is Eiii or Kurumi the scum? Kurumi, is Kitaman or Eiii the scum? Foolishness, lets say that GM's Incog vote-list is accurate. Which out of Bum, Chaoser or Ace do you think is the mafia? | ||
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On May 24 2011 07:52 kitaman27 wrote: Indeed. Fantastic, if he wasn't just suicide bombed for visiting IS. :/ Wait... there's no way. Suicide Bomber Has the ability to suicide into a person killing them regardless of whether or not they are a Veteran or protected by a Paramedic. Anyone who targeted the person bombed that night with an action dies. Only the Martyr or bodyguard can stop a suicide bomber. | ||
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On May 24 2011 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: He could be Ackbar as well. I don't think it will kill the parity cop though, just the kingmaker. Cycle resets in the morning right? You're right.... He's probably Akbar. The interpretation of 'cycle' could mean the most recent day and night, in which case he would get our parity cop and kingmaker. It could also mean Day/Night 1, Day/Night 2, Day/Night 3, which would be nice. | ||
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Assuming Kurumi flips red, there are a few interesting tidbits about his posts. First, he attacks decon, barundar, Incog, and Chaoser(multiple times for chaoser). Looking back, there are a ton of scum tells in Kurumi's posting, but it's hard to read and sift his posts(no offence intended Kurumi). He also lumps Eiii in with Chaoser several times, particularly when referring to giving them more time due to IRL issues. If you read his posts about Chaoser, I would say it goes a long way towards clearing him. Judge for yourselves though. Frankly, after reading through his history, I was thinking Eiii might be scummy, as he gets glossed over a couple times. However, your claim IS means that if Eiii is scum, he has to be a godfather. A good tidbit to know at least. | ||
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On May 24 2011 08:23 kitaman27 wrote: Err trick question? Looks like Kurumi the Akbar. Of course, no need to scum hunt tonight! Lets save it for another time. Yeah, I really didn't understand Kurumi's post, and kinda just ignored it as a joke. I hadn't considered the Akbar role. Honestly, I think I skim read every one of Kurumi's posts this game On the bright side Kitaman, you just keep getting greener in my eyes  | ||
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On May 24 2011 08:33 Ace wrote: It's about time WrongField stopped being lazy and did some actual work.  As opposed to all the heavy lifting and 'rightness' that you've been doing this game.It's funny Ace, I've never actually wished I had a killing role before, but I'm beginning to see the allure. | ||
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On May 24 2011 16:17 bumatlarge wrote: OK I'm putting all the votechecks we have gathered, and updating who is dead. I won't take framing immediately into the picture. I'd rather have everything sorted, and then ask who makes sense to be framed or covered? + Show Spoiler + Day1 KAVDRAGON (6): Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel[/blue 2 are scum. INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar 1 is scum. Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, [blue]KillerSOS, deconduo, Fishball, Kurumi, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles, Scamp, [black]OriginalName[/black], Kavdragon, tnkted 3 are scum. Day2 KILLERSOS (10): flamewheel, meapak, kurumi, deconduo, radfield, eiii, incognito, mr. wiggles, tnkted, kitaman 2 are scum. infinitestory, killersos, ace, foolishness, chezinu, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal, barundar, node, Fishball 4 are scum. Shortening the lists, since no framing or covering role has been revealed, aside from barundar. day1 list CHECKED Caller, GMarshal 1 is scum. (Caller has to be scum, unless he was framed, or GM is scum) CHECKED Ace, Foolishness, Chaoser 1 is scum NOT CHECKED Radfield, bumatlarge, meapak, kitaman27, deconduo, Eiii, Mr. Wiggles 1 is scum (Eiii was confirmed town by infinite) day2 list CHECKED meapak, deconduo, radfield, eiii, mr. wiggles, kitaman 0 are scum. (eii again confirmed, exactly the same as the above list, so I have to be scum! thats what ace meant...)NOT CHECKED ace, foolishness, bumatlarge, caller, chaoser, gmarshal, 3 are scum. (So this list is essentially the same as day 1, except I am added, and so is the scum count.) So now I see what ace was saying lol. Well unless I am the mole, and ver forgot to send me a pm yesterday, one of the lists was definitely tampered with. Do not shoot me please, and it would be useless to check me, unless you believe chaoser and I are both scum. Presumably if the other GF uses his power and wants to keep the factor that I might be scum in the equation. Chaoser checked me and I came back town along with a role night 1. I don't see why he would have done this as scum, because he could have easily not said anything, or lie. Since I am town, I can reasonably assume chaoser is town as well. I can't really comment on this myself too much, but I believe I have pushed chaoser from the beginning of the game. Either I was trying to bus him the entire game, or I was wrong. Please take that into consideration tomorrow. I don't really how more to say other then the obvious. If we mislynch tomorrow, I believe I can add to the information pile to help prevent that. Along with that, we have GM and chaoser's rolechecks. Chaoser check foolishness please. GM can check me if town would like, or anyone else. If a doctor role is present, I would protect him. Along with that, we have two other miscellaneous checks, along with Ace's rolecheck. I assume Ace will use his smartly, and give the info quickly. Chaoser please reveal my role for me, so I can at least be certain of you. I think you made a mistake here bum, as you should only be assuming 5 mafia for the list-checks(not 6), since we very likely have a mole count of 1. Anyways, Ace is obviously scum at this point, so if someone wanted to vig him tonight, that would work. Foolishness, you're either mafia as well or playing really bad. Caller, you need to roleclaim. Medics, protect GM and only GM. He is the important target. Mind you, all his checks now have to be taken with a grain of salt given the mole. Bum, given that we may have the XIIGodfather role in the game, we cannot assign dt checks to people. Cops need to go with their instinct. Also, no alignment check is wasted, since there is no such thing as a confirmed town right now(mole). Ver, if a mole was killed before Day 3, would they show up as a 'mole', or as a 'townie'? | ||
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*Attacks chaoser(just like kurumi) *Says Ace is one of his strongest town reads(along with Incog and Myself) 3. Ace - Ace is really hard to read because he plays such a good scumgame; he completely dominated us in sleeper cell. However this game he's been much less insulting and assertive than he was last time; the difference in behavior leads me to believe that he's town. *Attacks Foolishness twice *Asks Mr. Wiggles to Kill either Caller or Flamewheel with his kinglynch * Defends Ace Again: That being said, I'm not sold on an ace lynch... Incog just posted a big ol' wall of text talking about how ace has avoided his pressure, but from my own (limited) experience playing with ace, he doesn't always RESPOND to pressure. Thats part of what makes him so fustrating. *Night 2 scumlist: Chaoser Eiii Foolishness Mr. Wiggles *Throws out this tidbit, which makes me think that maybe they have no framers. Meaning Caller, and one of Ace/Foolishness/Chaoser is scum for sure. I know I'm not going to get townie points for this, but GM is not dead and wasn't even targeted. Therefore mafia must have a reason for leaving GM alive. Why? because they have framing roles, and these vote checking lists are making them laugh their asses off. *His final scumlist, which I mostly agree with, since I think he actually put a few scum on here(Ace and Caller/Foolishness). Kitaman is fairly green at this point though. Kitaman Ace Foolishness Chez Caller Mole: Radfield When I flip blue, yall should lynch these people. ooo, maybe chaoser is on that list... Hmm. * Attacks Bum with his final words (after his lynch has been assured basically) Important Points: A couple of attacks on Chaoser, a couple defenses of Ace, about 5 attacks on Foolishness, asked for wiggles to kill Caller with the kinglynch. Voting Ace tomorrow, I hope everyone else does too. Best part is, I can't even die tonight(I hope ) | ||
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Anyone else notice how mafia collided their numbers with 4 or 9? It's exactly what I would have done. They didn't need the high roles, since with my 'no-pick' list they could get what they wanted anyways. Deconduo, are you still playing? Was your master plan to lurk hardcore? Please speak up. | ||
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