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On May 23 2011 01:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 21:42 Caller wrote:
Back before roles, I had mentioned how I had no intention of following Radfield's list and instead would take the most troll role possible. Mafia knew that they can therefore snag CPR Doc and get a couple of free kills with it. They then put the CPR doc in the same votelist with me and frame someone on that list, knowing that Kavdragon was not mafia and therefore anyone on that list would be scummy.
So you took the most troll role possible with the number 3 pick, while allowing the mafia to snag the CPR Doc? mmk. Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 21:42 Caller wrote:Like look at the most recent check that GMarshal just did. Assuming he's not lying, there is one mafia in the incognito list from day 1. By process of elimination, since I know I'm not mafia and I'm pretty sure there's a frame, there are at least four mafia hiding in the other areas. I doubt more than one mafia would stick his nose out by putting his vote on a single person, so let's say instead there are at least 3 mafia in the other lists. That means that of these people: BARUNDAR (5): Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, KillerSOS
MR. WIGGLES (2): Kavdragon, tnkted there are at least 3 mafia. Kavdragon and KillerSOS are dead and both are town. We have 3 in 5 of the following as scum: Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower (Ziphh), kitaman27, tnkted Anybody look like potential suspects? Maybe? I'll write a detailed analysis about these guys in a bit, so even if you do decide to lynch me we'll have somewhere to start tonight and the days after. I suggest everyone read over this math. Apparently the assumption that 4 mafia were not on incog/kav implies 3 mafia were on barundar. There is absolutely no logic backing up this accusation. Furthermore, he completely omits all of the players who were single votes. Do they not count, or did you fuzzy math come to the conclusion that there must be 1 mafia in this list? This is garbage. Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 15:52 Ver wrote:Day 1 final vote Tally GMARSHAL (1): deconduo CHEZINU (1): Fishball FISHBALL (1): Kurumi DECONDUO (1): Eiii SCAMP (1): Mr. Wiggles ORIGINALNAME (1): Scamp
lol, straw man.
Mafia work in a very specific fashion: They do not want to stand out at all.
Pretend that there were instead 5 candidates. They started with 6 mafia. Mafia would split their votes to minimize the effect that a vote check would have, or even vote analysis should some of them be found. Obviously they would leave some of it up to chance, but it is unlikely we would ever see more than 2 mafia vote for the same person if they can avoid it. So in this particular example, they would likely have one mafia on each candidate and another vote randomly scattered among them, preferably away from the eye of a votecheck by say, targeting someone with fewer votes.
The human mind works in a curious way: when it encounters a whole bunch of categories, some instinct causes the brain to categorize all of the categories that are all by themselves or relatively insignificant as being in the same category. I'm sure that mafia recognized both this and the fact that being the only vote, while it would make them safer from votechecks, also makes them stand out for alignment and role checks. Thus, among all the people you quoted, I considered them as, essentially, another "category."
So we have the 5 categories-4 candidates for lynching, as well as a general "others" category. There are 6 mafia. Mafia would split their votes accordingly. So there's one mafia on Incognito list, 1 on Kavdragon List. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that there's only one in the "others" category as well. That kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?
You cleverly tried to hide the fact that I took two different candidates as including 3 and removed dead people to result in 3 in 5. Instead, you generalized my argument as "oh there are 3 mafia on one list" which I agree is pretty unlikely. That's not what happened, though, isn't it? its 3 mafia out of 2 lists, and they have kindly whittled it down fro 7 to 5 people. Tntked obviously stands out, and I'm curious as to why you'd cover up for him in your argument by totally ignoring him from consideration.
In fact this whole argument of yours seems rather fishy. You seemed perfectly content to sheep your way into voting and only said something when you felt yourself at risk, didn't you? Your entire post history the past day has been basically just hammering on me, and prior to that you've contributed nothing at all and instead speculated about the set up over and over again.
On May 21 2011 23:16 kitaman27 wrote:First things first. tnkted I'm assuming you're going to claim you didn't choose to select the busdriver? Also, can we get a confirmation that this isn't how the politician works and in a hypothetical situation that it was a bus, would it carry over into the night cycle?Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 11:56 tnkted wrote:I really really want the bus driver role. I can bug him until I get what I want! Do you guys realize how quick it is to fill up an inbox with 100+ messages when you use an automator? I will bus myself again. >  jkjk, happy birthday! I do want bus driver though. As for Node's inventor item, do we agree that he should provide GMarshal a protective item? If GMarshal ends up dead, then we know to who to lynch, unless anyone sees a flaw in the plan? Chezinu should be the target of night shots.
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On May 22 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:56 Node wrote:On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote:
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.
And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. Right, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor?
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On May 22 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:
3 kp? Was one of them a town vig?
On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected.
All entirely useless posts that simply speculate about the setup and mechanics of the game. You do make one very general FoS about random players and you do make some rather vague speculation posts about me and Foolishness but that's about it. Instead of making more insights like you did during the earlier days you've been content to go MHM HMMMMM and set up a position to sheeple people into voting for me based on a list thats definitely been tampered with. Your whole mindset is all about safe play. Only vote for "certainties," the roles that people have are certainties, create ways to avoid responsibility, never make any bold moves, just sit back and relax. We should use the certainty of roles to play the game, so player x you do this, player y, do that. That's all good and all, but that's scum play.
To top it off, you respond to my argument that I'm pretty sure nailed you and the rest of your scummy team by making a straw man argument and then criticizing it. No shit my argument looks weak when you put it like that, anybody would agree its a weak argument the way you just shoved out most of the information and reasoning and content.
On top of that lo and behold you're in a very uncomfortable position here. Three of you have been found, and it's obvious that you'd start to panic. The easiest thing to do is to get people to ignore him by trying to get people to sheeple around. You guys know you only need this mislynch on me to win, and are trying to obscure that as much as possible by using the illusion of "certainty" and criticizing my plan for not being "certain" and for being flawed for that very reason, only you take it to new ends by totally rewriting it. You guys feel so safe behind your little bastion of low risk content to hide behind the will of the "town" without actually doing anything.
Well, the pool's closed. And guess why.
##FoS Kitaman27
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Regarding the role claiming:
I can almost guarantee something like this will transpire if I roleclaim.
Me: I am (my role).
somescum: NO I CC JOOOO
(mass dispute, I get lynched because I'm on the list and its the "safe thing to do.")
mislynch, we lose
If I claim I'm fairly certain this will happen and we will have gotten nowhere.
On May 23 2011 03:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is this a pretty reasonable assumption? You're treating it as fact, when it is clearly speculation.
Did you read what I said at all?
I didn't cleverly hide anything. I pointed out you created a list of your own choosing and said "look 3 mafia here!"
Apparently the assumption that 4 mafia were not on incog/kav implies 3 mafia were on barundar.
Its not 3 mafia on barundar, its 3 mafia out of 7 (two vote lists). you definitely hid this line of reasoning.
Are you trying to say these posts are scummy? I see a vig shot declaration on Chez, pointing out that tnkted was thinking about selecting the bus driver role, and pressuring Node to protect GMarshal in order to scare off a mafia hit.
Yes these are scummy. You didn't do anything here. All you did here was nothing. Absolutely nothing. You make no commitments, you play super safe, you just say "Oh do xyz that should be obvious to anybody thats been even remotely paying attention to the game." That's not contributing, that's just satisfying activity levels. You don't contribute, you just say common sense matter of fact things and ask questions involving roles and setup.
Wow, you nailed the entire scum team? Bravo.
I nailed at least you and your friends.
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i fucking knew it. Vote analysis 2gud.
kita you now look like shit. Tnkted don't seem like the type to get framed so we should get him. We kill the sure mafia today, instead of this bullcrap last person on the quite fucked-with list nonsense. its quite possibly lylo so we should kill surefire mafia always. anyways now kita see what I mean when I got your entire goddamn team?
regarding role reveal, I'd really prefer not to reveal my role right now, but I will do so if I get more demands for it.
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Hey guys, remember this list?
Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower (Ziphh), kitaman27, tnkted
And anyone look at the bottom of the lynch vote?
killersos: 10
flamewheel
meapak
kurumi
deconduo
radfield
eiii
incognito
mr. wiggles
tnkted
kitaman
Anyone smell a mafia last ditch attempt?
More importantly, because only 2 of those 4 are mafia, that leaves... bumatlarge... all by himself. But that doesn't seem right, because that guy smells like town and has smelled like town all game. So I'm pretty sure he's not mafia. Conclusion?
There is a godfather, and he is one of these four people:
Radfield, dreamflower (Ziphh), kitaman27, tnkted
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof?
This game is all about implications, yo. Tnkted certain mafia, his buddy kitaman going down with him tonight or tomorrow, and then we got a godfather to pop to prove my innocence. Oh man I so excited. Man I thought we were about to lose and I got a bit sad, but now I smell blood. And it got me so excited for the weekend.
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On May 23 2011 04:55 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote:On May 23 2011 04:52 infinitestory wrote:
GM, were you indeed targeted and saved? You should have gotten a notification if so. No. Now lynch that lying scum. I would have immediately claimed had I taken a hit. He didn't say you took at hit, did he?
LOOK AT THIS SCUM POS TRYING TO DEFEND HIS BEST FRIEND
he knows that once tnktd flips that he done. He real done.
kill kita tonight pls
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On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly.
why not you silly man
you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum
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On May 23 2011 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:59 Caller wrote:On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly. why not you silly man you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum Role claim? 
i'm not gonna roleclaim to scum. Don't need to give you guys more information than you already have. Once we kill you guys off and we start boiling down to the finish then I'll happily give up my last vestiges of information.
Or you guys could, you know, hit me tonight. Would save me the trouble of proving my own damn innocence.
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Chaoser is a dirty liar
I figured this was a risky tactic. But as they say, the villain always returns to the scene of the crime. My lynch looked so certain, didn't it, Chaoser. I'm sure once I would have flipped town he would have tried to claim that it was once again that same framer/gf's fault, the one that had set me up on the votelist. Well, I'm just letting you know right now that there's no way I'm letting him get away.
Now that we have such a huge advantage in numbers I once again see nothing wrong with sacrificing myself to take down someone with me. Don't let chaoser get away.
Just to prove my point:
Look at the police radio:
Person A: InfiniteStory- Same
Person B: tnkted is mafia
Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT
Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5
Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10
Now look at the Modern Detective.
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role and alignment of one player.
See something wrong here? Not one of the results back gave both role and alignment-either just alignment, or just role. Nobody used the Modern DT's power two nights ago. If he was town, there would be no reason for him not to use the Modern DT's power. In other words, chaoser is lying about his role in order to look good to the town, and to hit an easy mislynch and then later claim that I was framed/godfathered. SHENANIGANS.
Obviously I've been acting very scummy recently. It was all to let some kind of a major fuckup occur. The kind of fuckup that this 100% lying mafiaso made, a critical slipup in what otherwise would've made town's last manhunt very, very difficult.
And before you say anything about him being cleared on a votelist, has it not occured to you that there is someone still around that can fuck with people's alignments? Or, for that matter, he could even be the mole. Either way, chaoser is not only not confirmed, but is definite 100% lying mafiaso.
That is all I have to say.
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in other news, i haven't been reading. Apparently chaoser said something about he forgot to send in a night action. I call shenanigans.
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On May 25 2011 17:29 bumatlarge wrote:
And I used KP, so I couldn't be GF, and there is additionally uncounted for KP. Is chaoser a vig/GF? I don't see that role listed here.
regarding that:
Vigilante
You have the ability to kill up to two people of your choice at any night phase in the game. You cannot use both at once and may wait to use them whenever you feel like. If your hits ever overlap with a mafia hit I will cancel it and notify you the following day and you will be able to use it again. If your hit overlaps with another Vigilante I will cancel all other hits but the first one and will notify anyone who's hit didn't go through the following day and you will be able to use it again. You will not be told if it was mafia or murderer that caused your hit to be canceled.
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my thoughts for this game:
town played like shit
i got demoralized night 2
listchecks are op because they are so damn unforgiving for mafia
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