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On April 30 2011 07:57 Jackal58 wrote: Get out of here asshole. Get out of here and never come back. You're tunneling. :p | ||
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On May 02 2011 08:41 Forumite wrote: Starting right now is a bad idea, we have several players from the Sleeper Cell game here, and that one is still going for a few days more. Only 2 out of 30 I believe. Me want now | ||
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On May 02 2011 08:50 Kurumi wrote: Well You need to post only 1 per day/night + 1 vote post... Don't think it is a big deal. That's the spirit -_- | ||
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On May 04 2011 11:43 chaoser wrote: Just realized that the vigi roles don't have restrictions on not being able to shoot on Day 1/Night 1. That being said, please don't fucking try to act a hero and shoot people Day/Night 1 without adequate forethought. ##Shoot: chaoser BAM! | ||
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On May 04 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote: At the same time, why so much silence on the issue from people who were clearly present? Kitaman? You pop in to say that people shouldn't edit but you don't mention a single thing about Irish, a single thing about me, and a single thing about anything. What up? I though I shot you already! :p I agree Irish was acting pretty defensive. I'm not sure I get what red is pointing to, but at least it got a response out of him. Does anyone happen to have the link to coag's old game? Would be nice to be able to compare his playstyle. | ||
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On May 04 2011 14:26 Conversion wrote: guys what does playatyle comparisons do? do you like nitpick specific common occurences in someone's town/mafia play? Obviously people can change up their style game to game, but it can give us an idea how certain people respond to certain situations. Like for example, if irish was town in coag's game and laughed off or ignored an accusation, it would make me more suspicious of him in this one. | ||
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On May 04 2011 16:27 redtooth wrote: + Show Spoiler + Longpost: Hello all. Your friendly neighborhood redtooth (aka WRAWRAWRAWRA) here. I've been gone from this forum for quite a long time so there are a lot of new faces that I don't really recognize. Some of you I do recognize but it has been too long for me to remember your meta anyways. Before we continue, let's just lay down a framework-of-sorts for being awesome: Rule 1: Don't lurk Lurking is bad - this is the first thing you should learn as a mafia player. In a worst-case scenario, the town may policy-lynch you and waste an entire day simply because you were too forgetful or too lazy to post . In a best-case scenario, you are still a potential scum suspect simply because you were lurking, a situation that could have been avoided had you actively contributed to the thread. If you want to win then don’t lurk. However, lurking isn’t limited to not posting either. “Active lurking” (the act of posting already stated ideas or not contributing any novel content in a post) is just as detrimental to the town and should be avoided at all costs. You don’t have to reinvent the wheel with every post but do your best to be as pro-town as possible in each and every post. Rule 2: Don't spam While activity within the thread is highly encouraged, creating meaningless and contentless clutter is just as anti-town an action. There will be varying degrees of time commitment exhibited by the other players and it discourages people from actively and substantively posting if there are 30 pages of clutter they have to go through every time they log on. That means no one-liner posts, even if they are votes (you should be explaining your vote anyways). Also included in that category are off-topic shit, comments on how exasperated you are, etc. On the flip side, don’t create massive walls of quotes as they simply get gleaned over more often than not (I am breaking my own rule here with this post). Random townies are more likely to quit out of boredom than scum are so try your best to be concise and be precise. On that note, if non-players (coaches, audience, not-mods) could keep their discussions out of the thread the town would greatly appreciate it. Let’s create a clutter-free environment. Rule 3: Never Give Up This is directed at townies. If you're scum, by all means feel free to give up and get modkilled or bussed. However, as mentioned above, it is likely that townies will lose interest in the game much faster than scum will. There are two provisions to this rule: don't stop participating and don't stop defending. Sometimes your ideas are overlooked or cast aside simply due to the number of strategies or targets being promoted. That doesn’t mean you should stop participating. The town may be tunneling, they may be overlooking something, you may see a scumtell nobody else believes, etc. Each members’ participation is vital to a successful town operation. Also, there will be cases where you feel extremely frustrated at the (bullshit) evidence being thrown at you despite the fact that you are town. While you may not want to purposefully drag attention to yourself beforehand (since it would be better served looking for actual scum), you should relish the opportunity to defend yourself. A well explained defense can raise the confidence others have in you and gives you more credence in town. Also, getting lynched when you’re town is not only bad for yourself but bad for the town. Do your best to stay alive. No matter how daunting the argument is, don’t give up and keep fighting until you take your last breath or the town sees the light. Rule 4: Kill Scum It’s such a simple rule but people (including myself) tend to forget it consistently. Every action you take should ultimately be an attempt to promote town activities and hunt/find scum. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is not something that we benefit from and only serves to boost your ego and create rifts in the town. However, if you really feel that playing devil’s advocate is necessary then by all means go ahead. At the same time, be wary of tunneling (focusing exclusively on one person) as your conviction may convince others to pursue an incorrect lynch. Always have an open mind and a desire to be correct more than to win in your argument. Just remember to keep the main objectives in mind: find scum, prosecute scum, lynch scum, beat scum. Rule 5: Have Fun Ultimately, the game is meant to have fun. I will be the first person to admit that this is not always the case as emotions often run rampant. However, do your best not only to have fun for yourself but to promote fun for others. That means trying not to get personal with arguments/defenses and trying your hardest to be the best player you could possibly be. Also, many players are discouraged when they are given the role of town. Sometimes we think it’s a curse to be one of the many generic roles. People have different tastes but I personally believe it to be just as fun (if not more fun) than being scum. If you’re still not motivated, think of it this way: while sheeping the town is a great feeling, there is no better feeling than nailing a good scum to the wall after a war of words. Be active, be intelligent, kill scum, and enjoy. Those were all I could think of for now. Follow these guidelines and SCUM WILL LOSE GUARANTEED. Go town! Oh god. Didn't Kavdragon just get lynched last game for these kind of posts? I had a good feeling about you at first redtooth with the way you've been trying to scum hunt from the start, but these type of blah blah blah posts make me weary. Especially anyone that feels its necessary to say "Go town!" at the end of their posts -_- On May 04 2011 16:35 redtooth wrote: To start off, let's have everybody answer the following question: What is your mafia experience/backround like? This can be experience in IRL mafia, approximate # of TL mafia games played, experience playing on mafiascum, "I just arrived from Noobtown", etc. Thanks! I'll bite I guess. I've played 11-12 games. Still pretty noobish, but I would like to think I'm better than my first game. On May 04 2011 17:52 chaoser wrote: @kitaman, what do you think about the various people coming to Irish's defense with weak chainsaws? Newbie townie or devious scum? There wasn't exactly a case against him, so irish probably came out looking the worst out of everyone. It has pretty much dominated discussion so far, but I guess it is better than the "lynch inactives" campaigns we usually hear day one. I do find it Interesting that you infer anyone that defended Irish is either a newbie or a scum. Does this mean you think Irish is scum? Also, do you know redtooth from before? It seemed as if your plans were coordinated and now you are giving him town points for his wall of text. | ||
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On May 04 2011 22:37 chaos13 wrote: I realize I should not have come to Irish's defense so quickly. Huh? Why should you be worried about coming to people's defense? Only scum worry about getting connected to others. A town does not feel guilty about standing up for someone they feel is innocent. | ||
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On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play. Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense! Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. Remind me, how do you know chaoser? | ||
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On May 05 2011 01:27 sinani206 wrote: So you vote for people because there's some type of coincidence? Don't make this like SC2 Mafia, please. Echoing statements already made by jackal and chaoser. | ||
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On May 04 2011 21:37 redtooth wrote: @orgolove - The first vote was a joke between me and HeavonEarth (who I know very well from LoL days) where I wasn't in the game at all and just decided to poke at him anyways. On October 24 2010 18:01 redtooth wrote: ##vote Kitaman27 I assure everyone, there was no inside joke taking place when this vote was cast. The fact that you were smurfing in a previous game doesn't bother me, but what interests me is why would you lie about it. | ||
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On May 05 2011 05:42 Kenpachi wrote: hello there. I am Kenpachi. Why the inactivity Kepnachi? What are your thoughts on the current situation? | ||
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On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote: Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes. People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. You can't just ignore the inactives. If you do, then you end up in the end game with absolutely no information about them. In XXXVII the entire mafia team lurked. I agree we probably shouldn't lynch an inactive day one since the mafia generally can pick the inactive of their choice, but they should be identified and pressured to post. That way, later down the road we have enough information to make a case against them. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote: If anything that indicates AO is town. It's much too early to start analyzing voting patterns. If Punk is scum he will broadcast it to anybody and everybody as he continues to post. He really sucks at playing scum. I think atm the reactions of both Punk and Kurumi is just noobs. Was Punk scum in the game you hosted jackal? I asked for the link to try to compare playstyles, but no one ever posted it. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:39 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 08:28 kitaman27 wrote: Was Punk scum in the game you hosted jackal? I asked for the link to try to compare playstyles, but no one ever posted it. I was the co-host. But yes. You will have to join the site to see it. Do you have a link? -_- | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:29 DropBear wrote: I would also like to hear more from these players. Kitaman27 in particular was very active last game in a town power role and has been completely mia in this game. I'm hardly MIA. Reading jackals game at the moment. Redtooth completely disappeared from discussion which I find weird. Aidnai and Amber have like a combined 4 posts, which is definitely disappointing at this point. | ||
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The main difference between that game and this one so far is his thread presence. On UG, he was one of the more active posters and played a pro-town game (enough so to draw a day one medic save). When pushing a lynch, he got pretty aggressive. As for how he responded to pressure, it probably wasn't the best game to gauge. The scum team had a flawless victory so there really wasn't much for him to worry about. He did do a decent job of blending in though, as this was posted in post-game: I think the biggest shock to me was Irish being mafia, you play one hell of a stealthy game. On May 05 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: 1) His reaction to my barely there pressure on him was an overreaction to say the least, I already mentioned this in another post earlier that you can go look up. Looking back, I think his overreaction was probably overstated. He came off worried, but that alone isn't really enough to make him guilty. On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. Of his posts so far, this one feels the most off. I must have missed all the great posts by Kurumi. Most of them were either spam or left me pretty confused. Not sure how he gets a town read off that. Jumping on AO seems pretty convenient, but at the same time, he was apparently "joking" about a policy lynch. I would like to hear more from him in the next 24 hours. If he doesn't handle pressure well, then it would be beneficial to try to force a slip out of him. The other person who I would like to here more from is chaos13. After his weird guilty post about defending irish, he has posted mostly questions and one-liners. | ||
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On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote: Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (: *Cough Cough* You have three times as many posts pre-game then you do once the game has actually started >.< | ||
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On May 05 2011 14:48 redtooth wrote: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Post Write-Up Disclaimer] + : @ Chaoser – I just read through it again and it has sort of a sharp tone. It’s really late so I can’t be bothered to go back and make it nicer. Just know that it isn’t meant to be a personal attack on your character. Honestly I would have liked to stay quiet a little bit longer to see how it progressed but since you guys are demanding it, here goes. This essay brought to you by Redtooth, the person who got attacked the last time he made a longpost. Warning, very long: FoS: Chaoser Reason 1: The Irish Lynch Push Honestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. Obviously not many people have been convinced, even though the reasoning behind this is pretty depressing in and of itself. Back to his strategy. I initially thought that it was just a prolonged Minimalist Approach, something I assumed he was doing ever since he hopped onto my RVS vote. He seemed to have dropped it after a certain point (which was fine with me since it was getting nowhere) but Irish suddenly appeared again as top suspect in a later post making it very clear that Chaoser is still actively pursuing a lynch on Irish. Since Irish can’t be bothered to defend himself (more on that later), let’s examine Chaoser’s main arguments point-by-point on his behalf (I will paraphrase for the sake of brevity). Point 1: Irish had an odd reaction to our combined presses. First off, that’s not a scumtell. When two people with Ghost icons start attacking you while acting like they know what they’re doing, you pay attention. As a matter of fact, would it not have been more odd if he didn’t react the way he did? I mean who is comfortable with two “vets” pressing you off the bat, regardless of how much support there is to those presses? I’m curious as to what a normal, expected reaction would have been.Points 2 and 3: Irish creates empty content then chainsaw defends Kurumi by attacking AO. I’ll admit, I was pretty surprised at how much traction Irish’s argument got. However, I wouldn’t call it a “chainsaw defense” as much as it is a desperate attempt to look like you’re scumhunting. Irish didn’t have many choices in this position as he was expected to “hunt scum” and produce new and interesting content. He couldn’t accuse himself (duh). On the other hand, you would have spun an accusation if he jumped on the Kurumi wagon. Besides those two, there literally is nothing to go off of up to that point. This scenario is somewhat less likely so I won’t hold Chaoser as accountable for these 2 points.Point 4: “He is wishy-washy” See above. There is a sudden expectation on him to create novel contributions to the thread and this honestly seems like a very half-hearted attempt to fulfill those expectations. And you’re right it wasn’t an EBWODP. It was an EBWOP. It’s a picky counterargument to a nitpicky argument. What difference does it make? If anything, it perfectly fits his character of noobtown.Redtooth’s Defense, Point 5: He is very uninterested in the game right now You’ve made it very clear that he’s not going to slip your grasp without a serious defense. So why hasn’t he posted one? Because he’s uninterested. Scum is way more likely to fight back til the bitter end (see KillerSOS below) rather than just semi-abandoning a game. It’s not like he’s trying to lurk through it either since his bandwagon seemed to be the biggest at one point.Now you may be saying, “Hey redtooth! This looks more like a defense of Irish than a FoS on Chaoser.” Well the problem is that either Chaoser should have recognized these or he did recognize but chose to ignore them. Since he seems to be a solid player so far, I’m leaning towards the latter and that is the scummiest action exhibited by anybody in this game so far (essentially actively and knowingly promoting a lynch on obvtown). Everyone, consider the following questions as objectively as possible: Is it very possible that Irish is simply a noobtown? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s “chainsaw defense” was actually just a noobtown analysis? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s lack of defense is in his lack of interest in staying alive? Yes Is it very possible that Chaoser is tunneling, intentional or otherwise? Yes Reason 2: Active Lurking Town has been giving Chaoser a LOT of credit for “contributing so much”. However, upon closer examination a lot of them are either logistical posts (request to focus, poke on lurkers, answer to questions, etc), offtopic, or pushing one of his four FoS. They all look good but break them down and there is very little to be had. As shown by one of the posts quoted above, his attention seems to be spread over four people atm: Irish (primary), Kurumi, KillerSOS, Sinani. I’ve already stated why I think Irish isn’t realscum but let’s address the others as well. Kurumi is that guy. He is the prototypical hyperactive townie who expended all that energy and lost interest midway through game after being pressured. Honestly, when was the last time someone so blatantly scum actually flipped scum? It’s pretty shocking and discouraging to see Kurumi leading in votes. However, it’s a super easy bandwagon to contribute to since there is a wealth of incriminating behavior and an easy target for active lurking. The FoS on Sinani is based off of one sentence that could easily have been due to him simply not reading the thread with much detail (very much within the realm of possibility since there’s so much clutter). Another easy-to-press person that was pressed. Relatively recent development so we’ll see how it goes. KillerSOS is actually a great lead (he’s near the top of my list). However, it’s odd that both KillerSOS and Irish are on the list since they are handling the pressure in totally opposite manners (one totally passive, one full aggressive). Odd behavior isn’t always scum behavior, something he should know very well. ANOTHER easy-to-press person to press, regardless of the merit in the argument. I won’t FoS Killer for now since it wouldn’t make sense for one to be on both him and Chaoser at this point. And by having 4 people FoS’d this early, Chaoser’s also implying that he’s found over half the scum team 36 hours into the game. I don’t know if it is part of his gamestyle to just mass accuse but all it does is create unfocused chatter as attention is split between 10 suspects and lines of arguments get muddled or skimmed over. You’re a liar if you can say that it is easy to focus on what’s happening in the thread right now. Ultimately, Chaoser’s actions haven’t been enough to place a vote on him yet. But since he seems to be steadily increasing his voice in town, I suggest you guys definitely approach his statements more warily then has happened thus far. From what’s been said in the thread, it seems like he played pretty well as town the previous game but that trust shouldn’t necessarily be carried into this game. He may be a great town member but it is just as likely that he is scum. I mean it’s gotten so ridiculous that players are now making blanket threats against those who dare even challenge the great Chaoser. What’s even more surprising is nobody has even said anything about that challenge. That isn’t to say I FoS’d him just to get you guys to pay attention. I genuinely do think it is suspicious that a “vet” would pursue these weird lynches and FoS. Logistical posts are neutraltells (WHY WONT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS?) as are offtopic stuff. That leaves just what I perceive to be a real subtle case of active lurking. I’ll watch how it continues to play out and I suggest the rest of town do the same. I don't trust you nor chaoser at this point, but after disappearing for nearly an entire day, your most recent block of text seems to point to people you think are innocent rather than push for anyone's lynch that you think is scummy. You reference that Killer is near the top of your list in your post. Could you share that list with us? | ||
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On May 06 2011 00:38 Kurumi wrote: Redtooth The plan was to make me an easy target for bandwagon,sadly I made some mistakes thus making me VERY easy target to bandwagon a day before I wanted it to happen. The Irish thing is just a lie repeated by someone I'd need to look for. My vote for Irish was just a blind vote for a person who came in,left us for a while,call it a poke or whatever. When he came back not only he started contributing so I could unvote him for now,but AO jumped with his "Dead townie good townie" thing. I'm confused. Are you saying you were purposely acting scummy in order for people to vote against you? And now your concerned that you were acting too scummy and your plan worked too well? I'm not sure I follow. Could you point out the specifics of your plan, such as which statements you made in order to create a bandwagon and trap people? | ||
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On May 06 2011 02:13 Takuna wrote: Hi you all, sry for late posting, but don't worry, now I'm here :D This is actually my first game here at TL, i played it rl on a couple of (drunk) occasions. Took quite a while to read the whole thread, so here are my thoughts.... Kurumi: His average posts arent of a very high quality, but he did force a lot of statements about him by this, with actually should help town regardless of the fact if he is scum or not. But he should be more precise and futue and he is already trying. Irish_Punk13/Airbladeorange totally confused by this discussion now. They are cases, but non of them actually convinces me yet enough to lynch them. For this day i will go with Cthsazsa, he was winding like a snake after being accused, for me the strongest case up to date. ##Vote: Cthsazsa Could you analyze someone for us? Coming in and voting for someone with your first post without much explanation doesn't give us much to go by when trying to figure out where you stand. | ||
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Kurumi What kind of townie purposely acts scummy in order to call people out for recognizing the scumminess? I'm really not sure what he was trying to accomplish. The way he jumped on the AO bandwagon so quickly concerns me. Irish_Punk13 This guy has been completely absent from the discussion after initially responding aggressively to pressure. His play so far has differed from his UG game as mafia, but that doesn't mean he hasn't changed up his playstyle in a more hostile environment. By ignoring the situation, he is digging his own grave. Amber[light] None of his posts have really stood out, but its been more the lack of posts that have been suspicious. I watched him in Insane 2 as scum and he was really lurky. Right now, he reminds me of Darth from last game, where everyone ignored him until late game, even though he was a vet that should be posting. Redtooth He calls chaoser out for being too safe, yet rather than calling anyone out as scum, he posts a town list. It seems as if he doesn't want to upset anyone so early in the game. On May 05 2011 02:20 kitaman27 wrote: I assure everyone, there was no inside joke taking place when this vote was cast. The fact that you were smurfing in a previous game doesn't bother me, but what interests me is why would you lie about it. I called him out earlier on a lie, not because I care that he was smurfing, but to see how he responds and he completely ignores it. The way he disappears after stirring the pot makes him look shifty, but he claims to have real life obligations, which makes it tough to tell if he is lurking or not. | ||
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On May 06 2011 04:28 orgolove wrote: Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm.... Its not, he just pasted the images. | ||
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On May 06 2011 05:15 Rising_Phoenix wrote: You know what, vote for me. I honestly can't handle so many posts and I don't have time to write something, I know I'm not contributing but I honestly thought I'd have the time to actually contribute to this but I don't. Maybe if there won't be another page of posts by the time I'm done writing this I'd be able to feel like there isn't such a huge amount of information coming in, but if you want me off I honestly don't mind right now. huh? Who are you even responding to? | ||
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On May 06 2011 05:33 redtooth wrote: Secondly, why does my smurf matter to you? I mean you're really pushing for it to get revealed but I really don't get why. Is it a lynch-all-liars thing? Maybe I'm just embarrassed about how bad I played. Maybe I got inactivity lynched. Who knows but I mean the only reason you would look for it is to see my meta but you have plenty of that already. Please explain to me the following: What does lying about another game have to do with my role in this game? If it was just a matter of you don't want your smurf revealed then you could have just said that. The fact that you came up with some story about how you were poking fun at HeavenOnEarth is what set some flags off. I'm uneasy that you so readily lied to us, but its nothing that's going to send you to the grave just yet. On May 06 2011 06:33 redtooth wrote: Kitaman wants to see my birth certificate It better be the long form version. :p | ||
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On May 06 2011 07:21 redtooth wrote: EBWODP: Sorry wrong picture. I meant to post this: + Show Spoiler + Yes I waited to post this and even messed with the wording of that last post. I wanted to see what you would say. Good news is that you weren't doing it with malice or anything. Bad news is that you were tunneling hard for no reason. You should be glad though, you were able to do what no other American could. Obvious photoshop. GG P.S. Vote Kita 2012 *hides before getting yelled at by Node for spamming. | ||
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On May 06 2011 10:43 VarpuliS wrote: @GGQ: I <3 your sig. Could you link to the game w/ Serejai that you're referring to? It was the previous one XXXVIII. Not that it's going to make a difference, but I'm voting irish for never showing up to defend himself. | ||
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On May 06 2011 14:05 KillerSOS wrote: Well can't say that result was unexpected... we all pretty much agreed that he was just a noobtown. Oh well. If you felt so strongly, how come you spent so little effort defending him or pushing your preferred target? | ||
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On May 07 2011 02:23 redtooth wrote: [/list][*]Standard 10: Failure to abide by these rules will be automatically receive a pFoS (partial Finger of Suspicion) by me and any others who wish to do so. I will treat these like normal FoS and move forward with the assumption that the person is scum with the intention to derail the town. lol this made me chuckle. Anyone that doesn't follow your rules you are going to assume is scum? -_- | ||
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On May 07 2011 12:03 GMarshal wrote: This isn't a day post ^_^ ##Shoot GMarshal | ||
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On May 07 2011 12:41 jaminz wrote: Aaaand fuck. I was completely wrong on my analysis of KillerSOS Could you refer me to that analysis? | ||
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On May 07 2011 12:41 jaminz wrote: Aaaand fuck. I was completely wrong on my analysis of KillerSOS On May 07 2011 13:18 jaminz wrote: @Kita After reading back over it, there wasn’t a ton of concrete evidence I guess On May 05 2011 11:14 jaminz wrote: Yeah, I posted that without thinking about it, dumb move on my part. I would hardly call those posts you quoted an analysis. I question how you could be completely wrong thinking he was scum when you pointed out his blue tell and then acknowledged it was a dumb move. The post after the night hits seems guilty if you ask me. In newbie mafia you were a day one hit because of your pro town analysis and towards the end of XXXVIII you showed you were a capable player, but I haven't really seen much out of you so far this game. You're on my watch list to say the least. | ||
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On May 07 2011 13:50 DropBear wrote: Great minds think alike kita Insane ones do too | ||
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On May 07 2011 14:13 orgolove wrote: Yeah. Actually, this was how I felt in the first place... he started the game by attempting to lead town's discussion into "sharing your mafia experiences" And now he's doing shit like this. ugh. You know what. Despite all my misgivings, I'm voting on him. On May 07 2011 09:30 orgolove wrote: Although I've initially suspected redtooth because of his (kinda dumb) initial post that asked people to share their mafia experiences... The past ~10 pages have convinced me otherwise. He's really putting serious effort into his posts, and he's trying to trick things without being afraid of being revealed. I can't detect any hint of red-ness (pun intended). Aren't you contradicting yourself? First you say the rules episode makes you feel like he is pro-town and now you vote for him because you agree with DropBear that he is derailing the town? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 10:39 jaminz wrote: My general thoughts on the game so far: 1. We don’t really have a ton of information about anyone so far (besides # of posts & inactivity), so I agree with the arguments that we should try to keep things active. 2. Be wary of people quickly bandwagoning/jumping onto one target to lynch. Mafia only have one KP per night, so in order to try to gain an advantage more quickly, I’d expect them to try to get us to lynch people who they know for sure aren’t mafia. Thus, if you see 2 or 3 people quickly jump on a lynch candidate, I’d be suspicious. 3. There are a few votes against me thus far, but they seem to stem from the fact that I was inactive and made a comment early on asking if we should just start accusing people. I don’t really think that’s much of a reason to lynch me, so I’m not going to spend much time defending myself unless someone gives me a reason I should. My thoughts on players so far: pHelix Equilibria (7 total posts) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 01:40 pHelix Equilibria wrote: Hello, sorry I have actually been out of town traveling in lieu to Easter Weekend. My sincere apologies. and was unable to see this. But it looks like there is a case of the ol' group think process. I'm obviously at a large disadvantage. But am I too late? + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. Was an early lynch candidate because he was the last person to post something. First few posts were mostly apologizing for being inactive. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:46 pHelix Equilibria wrote: Well I've read the other Mafia threads and you're right there is some heavy discussion here. But It seems like there isn't enough people talking to have a discussion. Much less we have two for a conversation. With more than a third being relatively quiet it seems the most obvious choice would be to get rid of the ones who are quiet. You could get something going here vyro. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote: After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see. ##Unvote ##Vote Jaminz Later goes on to say we should be suspicious of inactive people/lurkers, and lynch them. That’s slightly suspicious to me, but not really enough to peg him as mafia (it’s still way to early obviously). To be transparent, I’ll mention he was one of the people who voted for me. Rising_Phoenix (7 total posts) Has been fairly active so far, at least with the size of his posts. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:57 Rising_Phoenix wrote: Sorry I was very asleep so I just woke up (10:50am where I'm at). Since we don't have any conducive evidence of anyone who is mafia yet I think it is a safe bet to vote on pHelix. Unless he comes out to defend himself he is a safe bet because: 1) If he is mafia he is hiding from lack of posting 2) If he is a townie he is snot contributing anything to the posting/discussion 3) If he is afk he's useless to everyone anyways I need to read some older mafia threads to get a better idea of how to post and tells for who is mafia or not. So, until other evidence suggests otherwise: ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria Gives reasons to vote for inactives, pretty harmless post. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote: ##Unvote Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well. First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic). The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =]. ----- Break for other half--- Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now. Silent members have three possibilities: 1)They're trying to hide 2)They're lazy or disinterested in the game 3)It's a holiday and they're traveling Going through we have these people being pretty inactive: -jaminz: a few filler posts, nothing as contribution to the thread, pointing fingers -aScle: one post? -Enervate: very little posting as well These players have said very little or immediately start pointing fingers (Enervate) when they start pointing. However, it doesn't make sense to choose him because he hasn't bothered defending any accusations or contributing anything to support his claim. aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content and have not been active in general. Also, Jaminz has been very ready to point fingers but has little supporting evidence. I'll vote for him since he's just detracting from town synergy. So, unless he can defend himself: ##vote Jaminz This is his biggest post so far. I honestly don’t see a ton of value here. He did some basic math about chances of guessing right on the first lynch, but that doesn’t really help us decide who we should pick. He’s basically just mentioning some basic mafia strategy (the cop should hint to us which mafia to pick, etc.). There’s obviously no harm in doing any of this, and I guess I could see how it might be helpful to newer players. Building off of that: If you believe you have a strong scum/Mafia read on someone, the best way to go about getting the rest of the town on your side is to go back through every post the player has made in this thread (use the search function) and compile a list of suspicious behavior. I would strongly recommend that any blues not roleclaim until near the end of the game, or unless you find some other important reason to do so. Again, in order to be transparent I’ll mention he also voted for me. HardCorey (8 total posts) + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 09:06 HardCorey wrote: I just want to play. I think I can handle a non-newbie version but if this is the way to get initiated ill play here first. :D Right off the bat he mentions he thinks he’s ready for a non-new player version of mafia. This seems to imply some familiarity or experience with the game. Nothing suspicious about that, but good to note. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote: So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them. Most of his posts are just filler (“Hi how are you” type things) until this. Is happy to lynch inactives without much proof/evidence otherwise that they are mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 20:38 freestalker wrote: In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not? Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria “Your (not our) lack of experience” seems to again imply familiarity with the game. The last sentence is somewhat intriguing. He mentions that he’s waiting for people to talk, and that people are eager to point fingers at those who are scum-hunting, but fails to do any scum-hunting himself. Curious. Again, not enough to paint him as red, but something to note : ) FezTheCaliph (12 total posts) Was inactive to start, but since returning has been very active. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 04:09 FezTheCaliph wrote: Woah sorry guys. I had a long night(last minute project) and slept for most of yesterday =/ Thanks to freestalker and vyro for the sum up posts ^_^ Now I'll try to get a tally of the current votes going. Enervate has 2 votes(including mine) aScle has 1 vote pHelix Equilibra has 3 votes(unless I missed an unvote) and I'll join in the vote on Enervate because he's pointing fingers already but mostly because he's inactive since doing so. He’s been keeping track of the vote count, which is helpful : ) ##Vote Enervate Vote on enervate due to inactivity (later retracted). Reasoning is fair as far as I can see. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:06 FezTheCaliph wrote: Only issue with that is that if the cop outs himself right away, the mafia will know who he is and whack him, unless the medic heals him that night. So either we lose our cop right away or have two of our speciality units incapacitated for a night, leaving the mob free to thin our ranks. Its not a bad idea but I'm pointing out the downside. Devil's advocate is fun ^_^ Points out that we need to keep the cop/medic roles a secret for a while. Good logic, overall I get somewhat of a town read from him, but his posts don’t have a whole lot to analyze in them so far (besides the one). Sirael (2 total posts – one of 2 least active players) + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote: Then i'll make the start. Was outside the whole day chilling in the sun (still 25°C at 8 pm). As this is my very first game, i hope i don't make too many mistakes. Anyway GLHF to you all and let's hope for an interesting game. This is his only post since signing up. It has no real substance other to say “yes I’m here.” Also, it should be noted that he seems to have only posted because someone called him out for not posting. This is suspicious, but he could just be a new player that’s somewhat scared to post. He needs to post more. (Note: if you’re a new player, just post your thoughts. Don’t worry about being seen as mafia for analyzing another person; the best thing you can do is just to do some analysis on players and state your opinions about them). freestalker (22 total posts – our most active player) The first thing I’m going to note here is that every post (except like 3) has a smiley face in it. An enthusiastic town member, or a mafia trying to seem happy & town aligned? I think the former, but who knows. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 00:41 freestalker wrote: Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person. Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon. I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation. phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post. 1. pHelix Equilibria 0 2. Rising_Phoenix 2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning? 3. HardCorey 2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died) then trying to confuse voting of inactive, and then voting! 4. FezTheCaliph 1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here" 5. Sirael 1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all. 6. Freestalker DAT IZ ME 7. Enervate only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_< 8. Conversion seems to be trying! +point 9. Jaminz so far 2 kinda empty posts. now voting 10. vyro 2 posts, so far also not too much, asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around) 11. aScle 1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it? Here’s his first big post giving a summary of everyone’s posts up until that point. Analysis strangely missing (for the most part). + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:06 freestalker wrote: mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw ##Unvote ##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say? He started by voting for pHenix, and now for enervate. It seems he’s just jumping from inactive player to inactive player. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote: the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal. This strategy makes sense, and follows the same logic I would use. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote: Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button. Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities. As it is, I now have few groups of people - inactives - Ascle and Sirael not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that. I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) He posts some analysis, but still doesn’t really say what he thinks about the people he mentions. Since he’s pretty active, I’d like to see a bit more opinions & evidence to back them up in his posts. Enervate (4 total posts) He jokes in the beginning about a few players (including myself) for being mafia because we said “let’s kill mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:18 Enervate wrote: Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me. This post is kind of suspicious to me just because of the part at the end. A few people voted for him because of his first post & inactivity, and all he ends up saying is “don’t vote for me.” There’s no analysis, no reasoning, nothing of substance. This is pretty suspicious to me. Conversion (17 total posts) + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 00:51 Conversion wrote: I'm not too familiar with Night 0, but I suggest keeping the following tips in mind. If you are blue, do NOT claim unless it is absolutely necessary. (ie, you are medic about to be lynched) Be wary of fake claims by Mafia if the cop is dead. Always be confident in your analysis/voting so you don't look like mafia (I had trouble with this in my current mafia game.) Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys! Solid advice right off the bat. He’s more or less the one who got things/posting started in the thread. Encourages discussion. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 13:59 Conversion wrote: yeah, I'm trying to correct that logic cause night 0 (from what I've seen) used to create plans and let town pressure inactives right off the bat so they can try and force errors from mafia players. never take discussion hours for granted. just saying. Really wants us to talk to each other. I agree with this desire. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 17:50 Conversion wrote: You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post. the usual proportion of blues:greens I am not sure about. I think it depends on the host and the game. Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior. Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move. A usual townie plan just outlines and establishes ideal town environment and some policies (no inactivity, lynch all liars, etc.) I'd start off by pressuring an inactive, who still hasn't posted yet... so ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria He was the first one to vote, and started the bandwagon on pHelix. I think he’s trying to play this game differently than his last (one I’m also in). + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:01 Conversion wrote: We can change the vote, don't worry. We were just pressuring you for being inactive. ##Unvote Now stay and contribute! :D And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior. People might not take votes because they're not on the computer (time zone conflicts) He seems to be very positive in his posts. I like this. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 03:01 Conversion wrote: Hey, nothing to feel self conscious about I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah? And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing.. So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now. DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1? What are your current opinions of the players in this game? Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses? Brings up some discussion topics. I’d like to see him answer these himself. The fact that he didn’t is a little suspicious. Overall he seems to be trying to get people talking, and is being pretty helpful overall from my point of view. This could be either because he’s town and wants to help (most obvious reason) or because he’s mafia trying to build town credibility and direct the game. A lot of his posts have been trying to direct other players & get them to talk (he’s made a few pressure votes, etc.). I don’t really have a good read on him yet, other than the fact that he’s been very active so far. Jaminz (8 total posts, including this one) I’ll let you guys do the analysis on me. It’s pointless for me to do it. Vyro (6 total posts) + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote: still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions: how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 01:09 vyro wrote: about that. lately, i haven't been able to expand spoilers. when i click "show spoiler", the page refreshes to the top, and the address bar has a pound sign in it. i'm using chrome 11 ok, i see. i guess i could understand why they would want to fake roleclaim. i'll be looking through those previous mafia games, however daunting it may seem. it'll be interesting to see how phelix defends himself if he ever shows up ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria His first two posts don’t have a lot of substance to them, but he asks some questions in the first which is good. He bandwagons a vote onto pHenix without giving much explanation for why. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote: something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvote to help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems This post I like. He gives his opinions on players with some (scattered) evidence to back it up. Right off the bat this gives me an impression he’s a town player. However, it’s still very early in the game so everything can change. aScle (2 total posts, our other least active player) He’s literally said nothing other than “gl hf.” He needs to post more, or I’d be tempted to put a few votes on him. More overall thoughts: We need people to post more. Don't be afraid to do analysis. The more people we have scum-hunting and looking out for suspicious posts the better. Don't worry about being wrong. It's much worse to just sit back and be scared to post than it is to have some of your opinions or analysis be wrong. This is a beginners game, so force yourself to make some posts & put yourself out there. No one here is a pro. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 11:15 jaminz wrote: So it seems we have two major candidates to lynch: Enervate and HardCorey. It seems the reason people are voting for HardCorey is because he’s inactive, which I completely understand and even support to an extent. I’m having a hard time with this vote, but I think I’m going to stick with my current vote and go with lynching Enervate. I’m getting more of a scum feel from him than from anyone else this game. We’ve seen him make some posts, and honestly it seems like in most of them he’s just trying to deflect attention away from himself. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. When I voted for him, he made a post about it, and without any real thought or analysis he immediately voted for me. It’s understandable to be a bit defensive, but I think that the best way to get people to stop voting for you is to prove your worth to the town. This means doing analysis on other players, which not only points out suspicious actions of others, but builds credibility with the town. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote: When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread. But here's my analysis: I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia. aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat. Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia. Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes. And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes. Phelix Equlibria - 1 Enervate -4 ascle -1 jaminz -2 hardcorey-1 (This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Here he does a bit of analysis, but when I read it I fet like even his analysis was just done to deflect blame from himself. He backs up every comment he makes by saying that the reason he believes someone is or isn’t mafia is because they either did, or did not vote for him. That doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, as no one else knows if you’re mafia or not, so it’s pretty much just circular logic. All that being said, I’m still having trouble deciding whether or not Enervate is mafia or just a new/inexperienced/bad town player. I’m leaning towards the former, but I’m still on the fence. On inactives: Like others and I have said, inactivity is a problem. However, I think there is always a chance that some players are still just having difficulty getting into the game. This was a tough weekend for many, being Easter, and so I think it’s understandable to give everyone a free pass for at least the first lynch. Overall, I think that either vote (HardCorey or Enervate) makes sense, but I think that the vote for Enervate is based more on his posts/what he has said, while the vote on HardCorey seems to mostly just be a vote against inactivity. I don’t see a ton that separates HardCorey from other inactive players, and so I think it makes sense to give everyone another day or so to get up to speed. A final note (I’ve mentioned it before, but I think it’s still important): Be wary of people quickly bandwagoning/jumping onto one target to lynch. Mafia only have one KP per night, so in order to try to gain an advantage more quickly, I’d expect them to try to get us to lynch people who they know for sure aren’t mafia. Thus, if you see 2 or 3 people quickly jump on a lynch candidate, I’d be suspicious. This has happened both with HardCorey and with Enervate, so it doesn’t tell us too much, but just be aware of it/on the lookout. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote: On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote: still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions: how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote: something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvote to help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote: i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this. so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote: wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_> is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote: hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia? @freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro. This game his posts have been completely different from the ones above. The only post that has really stood out as scummy is this one where he pretends to be surprised that his "analysis" on killer was wrong, when it seemed pretty clear he thought he was blue. On May 07 2011 12:41 jaminz wrote: Aaaand fuck. I was completely wrong on my analysis of KillerSOS As for Amber, he better post something productive if he hopes to survive the day. A vet like him isn't going to get away with disappearing like irish did. The "Cthsazsa is scum because jackal is dead" argument seems pretty WIFOM. On the other hand, he certainly has had his fair share of empty posts. 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On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote: This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind. Is this going to be your only post of the day cycle? You're doing to good job blending in... | ||
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On May 08 2011 11:38 GGQ wrote: And all you're doing is vaguely questioning people. Post something solid. Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting. On May 08 2011 11:38 elmizzt wrote: Yea, I'm not a heavy poster in mafia, but I read everything. And don't you think posting less would be sticking out, and posting more blending in? No, posting less allows you to lurk with the 10 others that have only a handful of posts, including the guy you just voted against, Beneather. Posting more allows us to have a better idea of where you stand and will eventually result in scum slips if you are red. | ||
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Because I'm looking for scum. Are you concerned about sticking out? | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:17 chaos13 wrote: I was talking to Irish on UG, and he said he forgot the password to his TL account. Chances are he will be modkilled. You realize that only scum can communicate with each other right? This isn't a PM game. And what kind of excuse is "I forgot my password". He does know there is a password reset right next to login, right? | ||
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@redtooth: Your argument seems to rely heavily on Cthsazsa popping red. Are you pushing chaoser because you think he is scummy, regardless of what Cthsazsa flips, or because you want to tie him with Cthsazsa when he flips? Since you like your percentages, how sure are you on Cthsazsa and chaoser, respectively? @Amber: You open up mentioning how you think chaoser is misleading town and is scum, yet you write up an analysis against sandroba. Are you more sure on sandroba? Or do you think he is the easier lynch of the two? @chaoser: Sell me why Amber is a better lynch than Cthsazsa. Earlier you said lynch amber and dt check Cthsazsa, rather than the other way around. Any particular reason that was the case? | ||
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On May 09 2011 08:50 sandroba wrote: @kitaman27 Amber[Light] has a much higher chance of being GF(imune to checks) than Cthsazsa, and being a capable player (has not shown it so far, at least from the town perspective) he's more dangerous. Maybe. I guess its a bad idea to assume there are even any dt's left. However, the fact that three of the people I trust the least (chaos13, orgolove, and jaminez) all are on Amber makes me feel like I'm on the right side. | ||
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On May 09 2011 09:15 chaoser wrote: Cthsazsa, have you read my analysis of amber? are you saying sandroba, who has been contributing all game, is better than Amber, who has been lurking? Also, wtf kita? lynching spam over a lurker? Have you hit your head on something? Not what I would expect from you. In previous games you've always advocated lynching lurkers to great effect. For someone who seems to think they are both scum, you sure are pushing hard for one over the other. Either Amber or you are probably red, I'm just not sold which one it is. That's probably something that's going to have to be resolved tonight with a vig hit on Amber or the next day cycle. Regardless of who is who, I think Cthsazsa is more of a sure thing. | ||
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On May 09 2011 09:39 Kenpachi wrote: just think as if the new players are me. it helps As long as we don't lynch you, town's got this :p | ||
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On May 09 2011 10:15 Cthsazsa wrote: Or the day vig could save it for the near future and have a DT check me or Amber tonight, depending on who survives? What if Amber isn't scum? Then the DV is wasted and so is another townie. And if I am lynched, when I flip green, what is going to happen then? Is all attention going to be diverted to Amber? Thing kind of reaction screams of scum. | ||
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On May 09 2011 10:43 Eternalmisfit wrote: Note that I said if I had to choose between the two. I still prefer voting for Sandroba who I believe is scum. But, since no one is in agreement with me, pursuing that will go nowhere. Your vote on sandroba is pointless this late in the day. You should take a stand one way or another. | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:16 chaoser wrote: Ok, so I think I've gathered enough data. I am a Detective. I'm pretty sure mafia aren't going to let me live tonight. I checked Amber last night and he came up red. That's why I've been tunneling so hard idiots... VOTE AMBER No wonder you were so certain. I can't imagine a situation where you would fake claim, switching my vote too. | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:20 chaoser wrote: I will explain after everything is settled No, you explain now. I'm not trusting you if you think you're going to hide something from us. | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:23 redtooth wrote: What is there to not trust? If Amber flips red then we trust him. If he flips green then we vigi hit Chaoser. If he flips red? Don't you mean when he flips red? Why not explain whatever you have to say now, rather than waiting until after the lynch? | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:27 redtooth wrote: It is conceivable that he's doing a last-minute gambit since I was going to call a vigi hit on him. Oh really, you were going to call a vig hit? Kinda late to the party if you ask me. | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:49 sinani206 wrote: Wait what? A six person swing vote? Aren't there six mafia? Medics on this guy. | ||
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On May 09 2011 12:07 sandroba wrote: chaoser, please provide a good explanation why you did not reveal his role. The explanation I was expecting did not come. He did. On May 09 2011 11:26 chaoser wrote: He came back as Mafia Goon. | ||
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On May 11 2011 00:39 Impervious wrote: Analysis of kitaman27 Verdict: Suspicious. Reason: His list for scum includes 2 confirmed scum, a confirmed town, and redtooth. The scum on his list were heavily lurking, and were also identified by other people before this point, so he didn’t really bring much info here. Especially since one was mod killed due to inactivity. I’m really not sure what to make of it. I'm not really sure how this post is scummy. I also believe I was one of the first people to bring up Amber and pressure him to post on day one. On May 11 2011 00:39 Impervious wrote: When it came time to actually lynch on Day 2, he was very resistant to switching to Amber. At least, until chaoser claimed DT. Then he switched immediately. Could easily be a bus. However, this post really stood out to me when I first read it: After switching his vote almost immediately, he suddenly put up some resistance? That seems really, really weird for someone who’s played more than a few games of mafia. Anyone with a power role needs to take advantage of their role as much as possible, and if you’re town, hindering that plan is a bad move. And it’s quite clear that chaoser had a plan from that post. I thought that "I'll explain after" post was in response to this one: On May 09 2011 11:20 DropBear wrote: Ok, this changes things. What role did he come back as? There are millers as well, but I'm much more inclined to vote with you now. When in actuality it was in response to this one: On May 09 2011 11:20 redtooth wrote: We are definitely going to fumble this lynch. What the hell were you doing? Fuck and I was going to let you off the hook if Irish got modkilled since you called my bluff. This game is absolutely ridiculous and I am REALLY not happy. At the time, it made no sense for the dt to not reveal what he found. If you continued reading a couple posts later, you would see once he posted the role he found, I realized I misunderstood: On May 09 2011 11:26 kitaman27 wrote: Oh I read that in the wrong order. I thought you weren't going to explain what role he came back as >.< Kinda seems like you are grasping at straws Impervious. The fact that no one has done an analysis on irish or Amber post death is weird, so I'll do that in a couple minutes. One thing I have to say is what is with these random vanilla town role claims? DropBear, someone looks at you the wrong way and you spill the beans? What's up with that? | ||
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irish_punk13 After a random vote he gets pretty defensive and disappears for a while. He then reappears later and claims to plan to post something useful in an hour. After a weird EBWOP adding jackal to his suspect list, he posts this: On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. The fact that he said he would post in an hour with a "useful post" and then later makes a post regarding AO, which would be impossible to be the focus of his "useful post" since the events came after his announcement means he changed his mind somewhere between the two posts. I'm willing to give AO some town points for this. The two people most closely tied to irish seem to be chaos13 and redtooth. redtooth was the first person to place a random vote on irish, which made him such a big target in the first place. After realizing his random vote did not work, he defends irish pretty hard in the first lynch. chaos13 initially defends irish from the random vote and then apologizes to town for defending him. Later, he mentions speaking to irish about a lost password. Amber[light] On May 06 2011 07:30 Amber[LighT] wrote: I almost want to see Kurumi flip to see how much we can trust his analysis. If he flips green then I'd like to see some better analysis from Chaoser during day 2. It's going to really impact this game if we listen to someone who mislynches over and over again. Also if Kurumi flips green this doesn't confirm anybody. He knows Kurumi will flip green and wants to make it clear that those that defend him shouldn't be cleared. On May 07 2011 07:48 Amber[LighT] wrote: Don't get hung up on the idea that "oh my god these people voted for Kurumi and he flipped green FoS ON ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!1111one" After the Kurumi lynch, he reiterates that the people on Kurumi shouldn't be considered suspicious People that were most connected to Amber: Obviously the voting list is going to give us a decent idea. We will probably get most of the scum team from that list, but I wouldn't be surprised if the godfather decided to separate himself from the entire team in case it went to a late game situation. As for specific individuals, sandroba comes out as a 95% town for how hard he pushed him. I think a bus is unlikely at this point. Redtooth and Amber also had some interesting interactions, as posted below: On May 08 2011 01:03 Amber[LighT] wrote: His analysis mirrors mine in most cases. I would trust him as a town leader more than Chaoser, and I'll stand by that. Though I will say I don't agree with his posting plan. The idea is genuinely good with intention, but it will choke the town over the next few days. I can't stand by that plan. On May 09 2011 00:07 Amber[LighT] wrote: 3. I was asked by Sandroba, the person who's also accusing me, what I thought about Redtooth's situation. I'm assuming this meant his playstyle, his emotional posts, and his "town plan" to increase government beauracracy by 20% for all players. I stated 2 things here. I would never vote to lynch Redtooth (ie I support him) and I do not like his townie plan (because it's a terrible plan). He is going pretty far out of his way to tie himself to redtooth. The fact that he takes the time to restate his opinion and bold his views on redtooth make me feel that he is trying to bring down redtooth with him. On May 09 2011 11:59 Amber[LighT] wrote: Terrible analysis by the town. No wonder you were pushing bullshit for the last few days. Probably a WIFOM post. This one should be ignored. I have to head out right now, but later I'll comment on the current suspects. | ||
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On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote: Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it? lol wut? Your past history has no impact on your current alignment. This seems scummy to me. | ||
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Ilovejohn On May 05 2011 10:50 ilovejonn wrote: I consider myself an invisible poster but I don't spam the thread with useless wifom like what you did here. On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote: Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. What exactly does the "invisible poster" mean? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't stood out thus far? Seems like a good scum trait to me. On May 06 2011 11:59 ilovejonn wrote: I got off work at 9 pm est. Come home and had to read 10 pages. I already explained I read slow. And by the time of this post it is already 10:56 pm est. I have to eat dinner and stuff too. Please people if you don't have anything to contribute don't post something because I never skip any single post. I read them all, even the spam. Maybe I should learn to scan but them I'm afraid I'll miss something. My vote stays on Kurumi, I'm not going to switch a vote at 10:58 pm est, especially when it doesn't do a damn thing. It took you two hours to read through the thread. That's why you couldn't change your vote? How convenient. On May 08 2011 03:47 ilovejonn wrote: My vote still stays on Beneather based on huge activity level difference. Until he comes in and posts I have reason to believe he is lurking scum. On May 08 2011 03:56 ilovejonn wrote: I confused myself there. What my main point is, is that I think Beneather should have voted who he thought was scum, instead of last minute going on the bandwagon with NO explanation at all to seem to blend in with the majority of the people. Perhaps my logic is faulty, but my bigger scum read on him is still the activity level change. If he decides to come back with an explanation, I'll reconsider my vote. On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote: Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow. He states multiple times how he think Beneather is a lurking scum, yet conveniently changes his mind to vote for Cthsazsa when there has been no change in the Beneather situation. On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote: Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on. To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities. Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed. The jewel of his scum posts. Everyone read this, please. He uses a dead man's read to try and confirm himself as town. On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote: Hold up everyone. You guys still think I am scum just because of a) I did not vote switch to Amber, and b) I was on the bad end of the lynches? Did I not already say I was going to be out the whole day on Mother's day? I cannot believe you guys would have missed that. Could you point this out to me? I never found it in your posts. On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote: Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. Why even bring up your past history? Again, you're trying to buy town cred using bogus reasoning. Conclusion: Scum jaminz My prime godfather suspect. A complete character swap from other games and he is laying low, being careful not to upset anyone. To compare with his previous game, he had 30 posts over a 15 page period and was night killed day one for his analysis. This game he has only 16 posts over 82 pages. On May 05 2011 11:11 jaminz wrote: Are you saying you're a blue? That's a really dumb thing to say either way. On May 05 2011 11:14 jaminz wrote: Yeah, I posted that without thinking about it, dumb move on my part. On May 07 2011 12:41 jaminz wrote: Aaaand fuck. I was completely wrong on my analysis of KillerSOS I've already stated this argument, but I think its important enough to repeat. 1) His "analysis" on KillerSOS was a couple of one liners. 2) His posts above clearly indicate he thought KillerSOS was blue. The fact that he finds it necessary to post after Killer's death screams of guilt. I then procede to call him out for his posting, and then shortly after, he finally comes through with the following conclusion: I’m not going to place my vote on Amber[LighT] for now as I haven’t done enough analysis on other players to compare him with (though I’m working on it and plan to do more before the day cycle ends) but I wanted to mention a few things as well. I’m a bit confused as to why he’s the veteran (other than redtooth) receiving most of the scum-focus in the game so far. I don’t think his posting habits have been drastically different from other players in this game, and I find it interesting that he’s been jumped on so quickly. He analysis Amber with a full wall of text and then questions why he is being the focus of the day 2 lynch. He then promises to do analysis on other players to compare him with. That analysis never comes. He does end up voting for Amber in the end, but that's why I think he is godfather and not a goon. On May 09 2011 12:43 jaminz wrote: Didn't GGQ claim he was roleblocked on night 1? Obviously claiming that doesn't clear him from any accusations, and I'm inclined to follow Chaoser's analysis, but I'd like to hear what he has to say about all of this. This is his most recent post 13 pages ago. He soft defends GGQ with the role blocker claim. Too bad your scum buddy died at night so he never had a chance to bring it up in his defense. Conclusion: Godfather | ||
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On May 11 2011 12:25 ilovejonn wrote: Nice points kitaman. Not. Any Borat references = confirmed scum. On May 11 2011 12:28 DropBear wrote: There are 3 mafia remaining of course, so how do you feel about EM and sinani206? On May 11 2011 12:33 Varpulis wrote: Interesting points, kitaman. I'm not entirely convinced about ilovejohn, but jaminz is definitely a suspicious character. What do you think about sinani206? I would be lying if I said I had a good read one way or another on sinani. His posts would make kenpachi proud. The fact that he was on the wrong side of both lynches so far means we have to consider him. His response to being accused thus far has been to go afk, and we saw how that turned out with irish. The only thing he has going for him was he wasn't on Cthsazsa in such a tight lynch. I would say ilovejonn and jaminz are scum, with the third being in the group of: chaos13 sinani206 Eternalmisfit DropBear | ||
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On May 11 2011 12:39 Varpulis wrote: actually, I'm going to call that intentional, because it makes it rhyme. /end derailment. Let's talk about who's scum and who's not instead of my terrible poetry. If I find out that you wrote the poem to intentionally have someone point out that you forgot the number of remaining mafia then I'm really going to hate you :p | ||
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On May 11 2011 20:51 sandroba wrote: Maybe not, but when the voting was this close(7-6 on jaminz, and 2-2 on chaos13) and with many players yet to vote, I have a hard time believing mafia would take a risk. Most likely not. That's why I'm saying he is the godfather. I've hardly ever seen an entire scum team on the same person on day two. Usually at least one, generally the godfather, switches to the opposite side for late game, even if it hurts the team. Take Deconduo, two games ago, for instance, he was on annul, LunarDestiny, and chaoser and nearly won when it got to 3 people left since nearly no one suspected he could be scum. On May 11 2011 21:48 sandroba wrote: Sorry for the quadruple post but I need further explanation on this. @Kitaman27 So you are saying ilovejonn is scum. I'm sure you realize that if we catch mafia today, mafia are reduce to 1 kp. Explain to me how it is possible for EM to be scum in the scenario where ilovejonn is scum. Also your analysis on jaminz is complete bullshit. It's a common tactic for mafia to introduce more candidates for a lynch, to confuse town. Right now my prime godfather suspect is you. So I'm not allowed to write analysis on someone I think is suspicious? When would you rather have me post it, in the final 24 hours of the day when its even closer to lynch or during the night where I can get whacked and leave the town with a WIFOM arrangement? That's silly. As for ilovejonn and EM, I'm just more confidant that jonn is scum. If he does pop red, it probably would be less likely that EM is also scum due to his analysis on him during the night cycle, but its not out of the question. | ||
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On May 12 2011 00:33 sandroba wrote: The scum team knew irish was getting mod killed. Voting for Amber[Light] on that close of a situation, and thus risking losing kp does not make sense. Ok, so you think jonn is scum. I agree that if jonn flips scum, EM is less likely to be scum. But why do think EM is town? How is jonn more supicious then EM? jonn is more suspicious because he is trying to buy town cred where he hasn't earned any. He quotes chaoser's analysis to try to confirm himself and then references his alignment in past games as if they had any impact on the current game. I can't be certain EM is town, but I've got a better feeling jonn is scum. If the vote were between EM and sinani206, I would want to hear what sinani has to say with his 7 hour delayed post before I make a decision. | ||
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On May 12 2011 12:55 DropBear wrote: Hey kita. How do you feel about orgolove being the godfather? meh I've got a stronger feeling about jaminz. Probably bigger fish to fry at the moment. | ||
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People I trust as town: 25. kitaman27 - Myself, though that's for you to decide :p 11. Kenpachi - vig, confirmed town 1. sandroba - 95% confirmed town for pushing Amber day two 26. Cthsazsa - 95% confirmed town for the tight day two lynch against Amber Likely town 6. AirbladeOrange - irish voted for him day one so leaning town 13. Mig - Hasn't done anything this game that jumps out as a scum tell 16. Forumite - Only thing against him is the Amber lynch, otherwise looks pretty clean Null reads: 4. Conversion - Lurking hard. Doesn't even vote in the last cycle. 7. VarpuliS - Not certain one way or the other 10. elmizzt - Another lurker. I have to keep reminding myself he is part of the game. 14. orgolove - Had a weird moment last night, but putting a lot of effort in with spreadsheet 20. redtooth - Was suspicious of him initially, but he has disappeared off the face of the earth the last day cycle. Scum Suspects 9. sinani206 - priority lynch target tomorrow for obvious reasons 2. jaminz - godfather suspect (refer to earlier analysis) 3. ilovejonn - based on his attempts to convince people he is town and lack of contribution (refer to earlier analysis) Secondary Scum Suspects 23. Impervious - Few posts to go on based on the double replacement. Came out looking bad after the sinani lynch. I might consider swapping him with ilovejonn. 17. DropBear - On the wrong side of the first two lynches and role claims at a weird time. Thoughts might change based on the analysis he is promising before the day post. 21. chaos13 - Defends irish day one and then appears apologetic, votes for Cthsazsa day two | ||
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On May 13 2011 12:02 DropBear wrote: Kita, while I am unsure on Jaminz, note in my analysis that AO defends Jaminz. If you are right about him being GF, it makes sense. Why push those two rather than sinani? What changed your mind that he isn't mafia anymore? | ||
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On May 13 2011 12:08 jaminz wrote: Well, I think it's safe to say that there are no medics in this setup. I don't see any way a medic would have saved anyone except sandroba. Thanks for your input. | ||
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On May 13 2011 22:36 chaos13 wrote: I would like to point out that I did not vote for Cthsazsa. I was the third vote on Amber[Light], and it stayed there. I have in fact never voted for Cthsazsa. Opps, sorry I was mistaken. | ||
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On May 14 2011 03:10 sinani206 wrote: I just said, I think I'm town. You "think" you're town? Did you decide not to read your role pm or something? :/ | ||
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On May 14 2011 03:34 ilovejonn wrote: I agree, at least killing me will provide you guys with more information. I'll do whatever town needs the most. You can't be serious can you? No town would willingly lynch himself for information. | ||
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On May 11 2011 14:01 Conversion wrote: Post behavior wise I can't really draw up a conclusion on Sinani and ilovejohn because they don't have any... substantial posts. It's suspicious at best. You have 3 posts in the last 30 pages. If you can't draw a conclusion on sinani and jonn, how do you expect us to have any idea about you? On May 13 2011 13:16 Conversion wrote: Hey guys. I know I'm not really helping town by being really quiet and voting for myself. Is kenpachi pretty much confirmed townie from his vig claim? Then why are you doing it anyways? Yes. No one ever counter-claimed, so its safe to assume he is town. On May 13 2011 22:22 redtooth wrote: Erm. I'm still here guys, just sitting back after my analysis was shown to be flawed. But I'd like to reiterate the following - we should wait until day to start doing analysis UNLESS you would want a vigi hit. Seeing as we're not sold 100% on Sinani, might as well wait to see who gets killed and what they flip. You have 4 posts in the last 30 pages. Congrats, you are marginally less unhelpful than conversion. Do you want people to feel sorry for you or something? Your analysis was wrong during day one and day two, but that doesn't mean that earns you a free pass to sit back and watch until late game. On May 10 2011 16:04 elmizzt wrote: about time someone paid attention to me! I was feeling unloved :o Six posts in the last 30 pages. Give this guy a gold star. Oh wait, the only analysis you've provided is "lol scum, he plays sc2 mafia". Bravo. | ||
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I agree everyone should be posting, but I dislike it when a certain people are told to analyze specific people. It hides information about their motives since they are told who to push/defend. Everyone should be analyzing who they feel is most scummy. I also find it incredibly weird that no one performing post death analysis on dead scum. Reading through sinani's at the moment. | ||
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I split the posts I found in two categories: Pro-town and suspicious. Orgoloves spreadsheet only keeps track of voting records, but I think thread presence and whether someone attacks or defends a scum should also be taken into account. Pro-town + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 14:01 DropBear wrote: [Long analysis] CONCLUSION sinani206 is Mafia On May 10 2011 13:16 DropBear wrote: I suggest lynch Sinani today and we pressure the other two. On May 10 2011 22:49 Impervious wrote: Others were two people that chaoser found suspicious, and I agree with him - sinani and ilovejohn. On May 11 2011 09:13 Varpulis wrote: [long analysis] That wraps it up. Those are seriously Sinani206's only quality posts. He's lurking loudly and not contributing, and that screams scum to me. Add that to the fact that he his only real posts are either misinformation or filled with suspicious reads, and I'm ready to lynch this guy right now. On May 11 2011 14:11 Varpulis wrote: Alright then. I think we should lynch Sinani today, for reasons I've already stated. On May 12 2011 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: the way sinani took three posts to announce an upcoming post that was completely empty like all his other posts makes me feel like he is the scummier of the two. On May 12 2011 09:25 Varpulis wrote: It's scummy to me because
On May 13 2011 09:18 Impervious wrote: And am more than willing to lynch sinani during the day anyways. But w/e. On May 13 2011 16:42 Forumite wrote: I have to agree with VarpuliS post right before the night. Right now we´re going for sinani206, and then moving on to the others. Personally I don´t see how Ilovejonn and orgolove could both be Scum, but that´s for another day. Right now we take out sinani206. On May 15 2011 03:41 Mig wrote: But I am going to vote for sinani mainly because I think sinani still looks scummy from the previous day. I don't think much has changed for him and I am not completely sold on ilj's or orglove's guilt yet. On May 15 2011 08:58 jaminz wrote: I'm going to vote for sinani because of the close vote last time coupled with his erratic posting behavior. Suspicious + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2011 14:01 Conversion wrote: Post behavior wise I can't really draw up a conclusion on Sinani and ilovejohn because they don't have any... substantial posts. It's suspicious at best. On May 12 2011 07:54 Impervious wrote: With the lynch of EM, we learn about ilj, and he seems to be more detrimental to the town than sinani. So he seems like the better lynch of the two right now, even though I`d like to see both gone tbh. Good enough of a reason? On May 12 2011 09:43 Impervious wrote: Because we accomplish more through a lynch of EM than through a lynch of sinani (I mean, from our limited knowledge), I can't see why you would want to switch right now..... On May 12 2011 10:15 Mig wrote: But then as I looked through all his posts on TL to try and judge his reasoning ability I saw that hes only in 8th grade. I don't want to stereotype all 8th graders but his posting makes a lot of sense to me as an overwhelmed 8th grader. And its obvious that his posts are not being coached. With only 3 mafia left I figured the other 2 might try and help him post a bit better to survive, which clearly hasn't happened. On May 12 2011 11:53 jaminz wrote: They're both suspicious, but my gut says Eternal is scummier than sinani. On May 13 2011 11:58 DropBear wrote: Please discuss! Sinani is also on the table too but I'm starting to think he isn't mafia now. On May 13 2011 12:11 DropBear wrote: Remember that sinani206 is also in his first game. On May 13 2011 22:22 redtooth wrote: Seeing as we're not sold 100% on Sinani, might as well wait to see who gets killed and what they flip. On May 13 2011 22:31 Impervious wrote: As much as I'm starting to get a vibe that sinani is actually town (and that we have better choices for a lynch today), I really, really don't like how close the vote was. So I'm going to stick with it for the moment. Conclusions: -I didn't realize how hard Varpulis had pushed for his lynch. He came out looking pretty good. I'm leaning towards 90% town for him. -DropBear was real wish-washy. He was one of the first people to bring up sinani and pushed for his lynch day 3, but then he got cold feed on day 4. I'm also leaning town since this doesn't seem like a mafia reaction to me. -Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else. jaminz doesn't even mention sinani day three or day four until its obvious he can't be saved near the end of the cycle. | ||
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On May 18 2011 08:27 Varpulis wrote: @kita I'm going to be bold and say that if impervious is scum, redtooth probably is too. Look at how hardcore impervious has been defending redtooth. If you think that impervious is scum, vote redtooth. if he flips scum, impervious is a great lynch tomorrow, and if redtooth flips town, we leave impervious alone. A statement and its converse aren't logically equivalent. What makes you want to lynch redtooth first? Is no one willing to switch over to impervious? If my vote is going to be meaningless, I'll switch over, but I think I'll wait a bit longer. | ||
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On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Conclusions: -Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else. On May 18 2011 09:04 Varpulis wrote: Unless you plan on pushing impervious's lynch, it would be better to put a vote on somebody who might actually be lynched today. If you want to post an analysis on Impervious, by all means do so. This is what I posted earlier. | ||
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@DropBear: Guess you will have to ask mafia why I'm not dead. Scum had a long list of confirmed towns to plow through, though I have to admit I was kinda surprised it wasn't me last night rather than varp. @jonn: Why have you quit? The game is not over yet and we still have a decent chance to win. What gives? @elmizzt: Your posts are usually pretty brief and I have a hard time getting a read off them. Could you post analysis of why you are voting orgolove? @Mig: You've also been pretty quiet lately. Your play is fairly consistent to what it was in XXXVIII, but I would still like to see your thoughts. | ||
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On May 21 2011 10:30 jaminz wrote: Town players should be more worried about hunting scum than keeping themselves alive Then where has your scum hunting been this entire game? :/ | ||
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On May 21 2011 10:41 jaminz wrote: I'm not confident enough in my suspicion of orgolove to lynch him over myself. He's at least been active, which isn't something I can say for myself. If you were town, how is a 0% chance of catching scum with you getting lynched better than an uncertain lynch with orgolove? And you're saying he is active? Maybe day one, but certainly not lately. My vote will be staying on you. | ||
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On May 21 2011 18:58 Forumite wrote: Correct Lynches: 6:2 night 6 6:1 day 7 5:1 night 7 5:0 day 8 - Town win 1 Mislynch: 6:2 night 6 5:2 day 7 4:2 night 7 - LYLO 4:1 day 8 3:1 night 8 3:0 day 9 - Town win 2 Mislynches 6:2 night 6 5:2 day 7 4:2 night 7 - LYLO 3:2 day 8 2:2 night 8 - Scum win If I´m correct, and I´m not 100% I am, we have one mislynch left, no more. There is the possibility that there´s a vigi left, but even that will only delay Scum a little, if at all. If the next lynch doesn´t hit scum or identify the rest of scum, then we´re done. I think you're missing a lynch. It will be 8:2 after night 6, won't it? | ||
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On May 22 2011 01:03 chaos13 wrote: I was convinced he was town, but I was also somewhat intrigued by how he seemed to attack almost anyone who posted in the beginning of the game. He doesn't outright accuse them of being scum, but generally just pressures them. I would like to get the thoughts of a few other players on him. Err that's called scum hunting. Why wouldn't I pressure people to see if they slip up? | ||
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On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: I think we need to seriously consider that kita could be mafia, and the likely GF. He is an active, good, veteran player and he hasn't been killed yet. It seems really suspicious to me that the mafia is just going after likely townies and not someone who is a good known player. You do realize this is probably why I'm still alive right? Scum saw how much I wanted jaminz dead so they allowed me to live until I pushed him and he flipped green and then use the godfather suspicions against me to get me lynched late game, simply because I've played a couple more games than everyone else. That's weak. On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: Along with that his analysis of jaminz and impervious ended up being completely wrong, which looks suspicious coming from a good player. So if good players are wrong that makes them scum? jaminz and impervious were both acting scummy. I stand by my votes. You even agreed enough to vote for both of them. On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: day2- voted for cth late in the day when the lynch was close between him and amber (could have tried to save a potentially helpful mafia member) You're ignoring the fact that I was the first person to call a day vig on Amber when I saw how close the lynch was. If both our day vig's weren't completely absent this game, I'm confidant they would have shot. Would a scum really risk losing their best player and a kp when Amber appeared to be relatively safe for another day before the chaoser dt claim? On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: day3- voted sinani day4- voted sinani - makes him look a bit better but sinani was worthless, would have been a good mafia to vote for to try and build town cred Again, a scum kp was on the line. At this point you are tunneling as you call all 3 of my votes against scum an "attempt to build town cred". On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: And overall I just have an off feeling about kita's posts. Yet you conveniently omit any. On May 22 2011 13:55 Mig wrote: If orgolove flips red I think we can just about clear ilj and lynch kita. How does this make sense? How am I connected to orgo? I'm not sure of the motives behind your post, but either way, it seems that we are in agreement that orgo dies today. | ||
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On May 22 2011 14:34 Mig wrote: Kita my motivation is that I am trying to find the gf. Who do you think is the godfather? Do you really think they picked like AO or elmizzit as gf? I think your posts have been mostly pro town other than being wrong about jaminz and impervious. But look I still think the mafia are much more likely to pick a veteran player to be their gf, looking back through old games 80% of the time they picked an experienced player. The only 2 vets left are you and ilj. If orgolove flips red I don't believe that sinani and him would have just been bussing ilj constantly for the last 4 days. So by process of elimination you are a prime suspect. And even though you have been wrong how can you deny it isn't suspicious that you are still alive? It is extremely dangerous for mafia to leave a good, active vet alive this late. I've only ever been scum once and we chose annul as our godfather in his first ever game. The same exact argument was used in Haunted and it ended in a town loss because nobody suspected the newbie. Also, why would scum give me godfather over Amber when it was extremely likely he would be dt checked on night one? I'm not sure one way or another on AO or elm. I'll have to take a closer look at them in the next cycle. Dropbear is another person I will probably have to further examine. You can use this post to hold me accountable to post my thoughts then. I won't deny I'm surprised I'm still alive, but scum has clearly been prioritizing their hits on lynchability. There is no chance they are going to hit me over people like chaoser, Cthsazsa, kenpachi, or sandroba who would be nearly impossible to have lynched. | ||
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On May 22 2011 15:00 chaos13 wrote: I suggest you do it today. We pretty much have a free day to discuss, seeing as I doubt anyone will be voting for someone other than orgolove, so we may as well take advantage of it. I'll assume you overlooked my question earlier. What do you think of Mig? mkk, bedtime now but I'll post my thoughts tomorrow. | ||
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On May 22 2011 15:06 kitaman27 wrote: mkk, bedtime now but I'll post my thoughts tomorrow. I'll include my thoughts on Mig too after I take a look back at his posts. | ||
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I know I said I would post analysis today, but I'm feeling pretty dead at the moment, so it will come tomorrow. Sorting through hundreds of posts is a pain -_- Still hoping to hear from dropbear as well. | ||
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On May 23 2011 12:20 chaos13 wrote: Promising to post analysis and then refusing to? Scum. Twisting my words? Scum. | ||
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Mig- Leaning Townie. The best thing going for Mig is his willingness to throw around accusations. Scum usually prefer to let others do the dirty work, rather than get caught up in scum hunting. His posts have been generally pro-town, with the exception of the EternalMisfit lynch and an average voting history. Xedat-Null Read. I'm torn on Xedat. There isn't anything in particular that makes me feel suspicious about him, but his counter-part Conversion doesn't have a pro-town post to his name. I doubt I would consider voting against him in the upcoming lynch, but I feel as town needs more information about him. elmizzt-Suspicious. I probably sound like a broken record, but is he really still playing? The entire game he has been lurking hard. I had that weird exchange with him about blending in a while back, but that is really all I have to go by. There isn't exactly a clean argument against him, but he is someone on my radar. He was off on the Amber lynch, but gains some town cred for pushing orgolove early, assuming he pops red. ilovejonn-Suspicious. I made an argument about him early on in the game about how he was trying to buy town cred, which he didn't deserve. Since then he has been rather quiet, playing a bored townie role. If orgo flips red, he also gains a decent about of town cred due to the whole spreadsheet argument. I'll probably post my thoughts on DropBear and AO before night hits. I would prefer mafia did not know my opinion of these two at this point as one is rather strong. | ||
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On May 24 2011 17:06 DropBear wrote: Second Edit lol: Kita is on the list and he is still alive as well actually.... I find it interesting that you list all the people who voted to save Amber, but omit yourself solely due to the fact that your vote came after GMarshal's update. On May 09 2011 11:15 DropBear wrote: ##Unvote sandroba ##Vote Cthasza After writing a fairly long argument against AO, I've come across a post that I originally missed that may have changed my mind. I probably won't be able to stay up until 11 tonight to post it before the day post so I will post it tomorrow, assuming I survive the night. | ||
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On May 25 2011 09:41 chaoser wrote: lol...this game is still going on? Maybe if you weren't so wrong about EternalMisfit then we wouldn't be in this situation. :p | ||
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On May 25 2011 10:01 Mig wrote: Primarily I want to know which AO post possibly changed your mind. It will probably help mafia more than town if I post it now. If I happen to wake up before 11, I'll post it. No guarantees though. >.< | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:26 Forumite wrote: I don´t think AO is scum. He was out scumhinting early, and put many FoS on players who have been confirmed scum since. Meh close enough to 11. This post makes me think he may have gotten checked. Back to sleep. | ||
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On May 26 2011 04:49 DropBear wrote: This is very different to his posts about orgolove. He was rock-solid on orgolove, not so here just a suspicion. Perhaps. though usually a dt will go out of their way with a red check, but only hint in the thread with a green check. There is also the 1/7 chance he is the godfather to consider, which would invalidate the check. I would be interested in hearing from elmizzit in particular about who he would rather see lynched today, elmizzit or ilovejonn. | ||
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On May 26 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: Perhaps. though usually a dt will go out of their way with a red check, but only hint in the thread with a green check. There is also the 1/7 chance he is the godfather to consider, which would invalidate the check. I would be interested in hearing from elmizzit in particular about who he would rather see lynched today, elmizzit or ilovejonn. EBWOP: AO or ilovejonn (unless he wants to lynch himself >.<) | ||
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On May 27 2011 10:31 ilovejonn wrote: Other people I'm not sure about, kitaman27 is a veteran player, but due to my time constraints I have not read his other games as town. Huh? We've played 5+ games together, what do you mean you haven't read my other games? Seems like you're just finding excuses to not commit to an accusation. On May 27 2011 10:31 ilovejonn wrote: What does he think about that? If he voted AO on a semi-vouch I wonder what this is to him. Also, if people think I'm scum. Would sinani (a confirmed scum) ask for a coached post analysis on a team mate? He was going to get lynched, if I was mafia and people switched to me based on the analysis, sinani still would have lost a team member. But if the analysis made people switch and it was on a townie, sinani would've stayed alive for another night AND not lose any mafia members. He was already a prime suspect, the best play for him would've been to save the mafia for at least 1 more night til he gets lynched the next day. "I´m fairly certain this makes Ilovejonn Town, but I can´t be sure." Doesn't exactly scream confidence. Just curious, why do you wait until an hour before the lynch to make a post? | ||
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I'm thinking ilovejonn and elmizzt are the two remaining scum. If I don't survive the night, good luck town! | ||
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On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: 1) During the biggest and most hard fought lynch of the game, day 2 amber vs cth, kita voted for cth. Not only did he vote for cth but he voted late in the day when it was tied 6-6. It was extremely important for mafia to win this lynch and we already know one mafia member, GGQ, voted for cth late in an attempt to save amber. In fact GGQ's vote was just 45 min after kita's. Also consider that earlier in the day kita had said he was suspicious of amber yet he still voted for cth. On May 09 2011 10:01 kitaman27 wrote: Something no one has really mentioned is our day vig (assuming they exist). If he wants to consider shooting one of the two, we could kill two birds with one stone and lower the mafia kp. On May 09 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote: Yeah that would be excelent. Aim for Amber's head! On May 09 2011 10:09 Mig wrote: I agree with kita if we have a day vig they should shoot amber/cth now. On May 09 2011 10:45 chaoser wrote: I'm fine with a vigi shot, assuming we have day vigis, people already said it, and it hasn't happened, I doubt me asking for it is going to do much. I admit my vote was on the wrong side of the Amber lynch, but I was the first person to call for a day vig on Amber. Note that this request came before chaoser's dt claim. The town clearly supported this idea and if our day vig weren't completely useless, I'm confidant one of them would have shot if they were reading the thread. For someone who is apparently going far out of their way to see Amber live and save a kp, why would I push for this death like that? On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: You might think voting for sinani on day 3 would somewhat clear him, but look at when exactly he voted. He voted for sinani when it was 7-4 in favor of EM with sandroba leading the charge to get him lynched. Kita knew that he would be under heavy suspicion after being on the wrong side of the amber lynch. So all he had to do was vote for sinani late that way A) he wouldn't be linked to voting to lynch another townie and B) it wasn't a big risk because at the time it looked like EM was going to be lynched anyway. This is a skewed argument as well. I made it a competitive lynch, not the other way around. I made it 7-5. With one switch it is 6-6. You're saying I'm scummy for being on the correct side of the lynch. Note a mafia kp was also on the line during this lynch. You're punishing me for being on the wrong side of the Amber lynch and the right side of the sinani lynch. It seems to me you came to a conclusion before even reading through my posts. On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: 2) Despite what kita says the godfather IS more likely to be an experienced player. Look back through past games 9/10 times the godfather is a vet. Kita and ILJ are the only 2 vets left. It is much much more likely for kita to be gf than conversion, elmizzit, myself, db when it is all either our first or 2nd games. I never said the godfather isn't likely to be an experienced player. I've said that I'm not the godfather. Mafia clearly has been banking that someone makes this argument. On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: 3) Kita is a good experienced player who people feel is town and yet he is still alive. First time players like forumite and varpulis are being killed off while kita is still around. The forumite kill is especially telling. Forumite was campaigning non stop to have orgolove the townie lynched. Yet mafia killed forumite because at the time the only people that were considered pro town were kita and him. It makes so much more sense for mafia to kill kita who was perceived as a pro town vet than forumite who was a 1st time player campaigning hard to lynch a townie. Again, a WIFOM argument. Nobody was going to lynch forumite, but by killing him it makes orgolove look bad. On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: And now I will discuss my new points which are even more damning of kita. 4) His analysis against jaminz was bullshit and was only done to further mafia goals. His first argument was that jaminz was playing completely different this game than in previous games. This is completely false, while jaminz was active in newbie mini mafia for one day, look at mafia XXXVIII. That game was of comparable size to this one and had a mix of vets and new players. During that game jaminz lurked as a townie for almost the entire game, very similar to how he played in this one. Kita played a big role in that game and he should know this. You're completely missing the point. jaminz was a blue that game. I obviously do know that because I knew he was blue from day one. That is the point I was making, blues and reds lurk. In newbie mafia he was green and a town leader leading to his day one night kill. Additionally, I believe those 3 posts came after I called him out for his one liners. You can't deny that he was lurking, with the exception of the EM lynch. jaminz himself admits he was playing a terrible game. On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote: Jaminz made some long, detailed, well researched, pro town posts, yet kita ignored them in his analysis. On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: I am going to vote for jaminz. He has contributed very little even though he has shown in previous games to have the ability to analyze and help the town (similar to amber and GGQ). And his last 2 votes were the final vote that led to a townie being lynched. On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: ##Vote: Jaminz Now you're being hypocritical. You obviously must have agreed with me since you cast the hammer. If you really believed this, then you wouldn't have been so content to sit back and watch him get lynched. On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: During night 5 I offered to switch last minute to impervious (the original person kita voted for and the one he claimed was most scummy) yet he doesn't try and convince me or anyone else to switch. Before kita votes he will post a small explanation for his vote but then never actively pushes for who he thinks is the scummiest. Because he knew that we were debating between lynching townies and so he wanted to distance himself and not stand out. In fact the last few days where we have only been discussing lynching townies you will see kita hardly discusses anything. This is untrue. I specifically remember asking in the thread "Is nobody going to switch over to impervious?" I then proceeded to repost my analysis of him. As for recent discussion, orgo and AO were dt checks. I'm not going to argue against dt checks. Conveniently, the town is pushing aside my attempt to point out AO's dt check and save him. Why would I try to give a townie a confirmed status when there are only 8 people remaining in the game? On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: Look through his posts in mafia XXXVIII where he was town. Kita was one of the best players that game, constantly taking hard stands and fighting for the people he thought were scummy and trying to save those he thought were town. I was also the watcher. I knew the alignment of 5 people from my checks by day three. I had additional information. If you go back to that game I also was wrong on my analysis of multiple people (Rean, aidnai, kevconism). Apparently I can be wrong a couple times in that game and be pro-town, yet this game if I push jaminz, I'm scum for being wrong? This game I've voted to lynch irish and sinani and called vig shots on Amber and GGQ. Let me reiterate this to town. This is lynch or lose. Mafia has been waiting to make this argument to seal the deal. They leave me alive an extra 2-3 days and boom, they have a free lynch at end game, just because I'm a vet. Look how fast the votes piled on me. I think I've shot down this argument fairly well. Don't fall for this nonsense. I'll read the rest of the thread and post my thoughts about who we lynch today in a little bit. | ||
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On May 28 2011 16:09 DropBear wrote: Ok you've sold me. Should we talk about who we think the other one is or leave that until tomorrow? Haha priceless. You've been sold before I even have a say? Now you want to discuss tomorrows lynch? During LYOL? You've got to be kidding me. There isn't going to be a tomorrow if the votes stay where they are. On May 28 2011 16:36 Mig wrote: For mafia to win they just need town to mislynch 1 time. They only need 1 of them to survive so no need for them to protect each other now. Exactly, so stop tunneling. I don't think you are mafia. I think you are pushing the mafia's argument for them, while they sit back and laugh. On May 28 2011 17:36 elmizzt wrote: The remaining mafia are kita and dropbear. First off, i've been wanting to look away from ilj for a while. It's far too quiet for the last couple days for the AO/ilj train to be true. A sign that scum is happy with the way the situation is, and feels zero pressure to intervene. Luckily the AO lynch stirred things up a bit. Since it looks like with my vote on kita, we have a confirmed lynch for him, I won't discuss him as much, but mig's analysis of him is pretty good. HAHAHAHAHAHA. RIGHT, YOU'VE BEEN WANTING US TO LOOK AWAY FROM ILJ? THE GUY YOU JUST VOTED FOR YESTERDAY? THAT YOU REFUSED TO COMMENT ABOUT? HERE IS SCUM NUMBER ONE. As mig likes to say, 100%. I'll write up a full argument later today. Awful convenient you come out of your lurker's lair to push the game winning lynch. On May 28 2011 18:36 Mig wrote: Hm well there is still like 36 hours of day left so I expect kita to at least make some effort to defend himself. I imagine he is asleep right now. Yes I was sleeping. There is no way I'm going to give up like the rest of the town that just laid over and died. Especially when it is LYOL. | ||
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On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: Gonna respond to some of your points kita. 1. 2 of jaminz long posts were before before you wrote up your analysis calling him the gf, yet you don't seem to take them into consideration. 2 of jaminz long posts were defending sinani by attacking EM and argueing why he wasn't convinced Amber was town when two kp were on the line, yet you seem to call them pro-town. In my eyes they made him look more scummy. I don't see how they make you feel they made him obvious town. On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: 3. You still haven't addressed the fact that you used that one completely non scum tell post by jaminz as a big part of your analysis against him. I expect a lot better from a veteran player than to make 3 major points and have one of them be a completely false supposed scum tell. 1) jaminz realized killer was blue 2) killer dies and flips blue 3) jaminz posts "gosh darnit! I guess my "analysis" was wrong about him" That is not a non scum tell. If you're going to attack me for it fine, but I'm standing by it. On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: 4. You are once again completely wrong about jaminz metagame. He was active for 1 day in a newbie mini mafia game. Do you not see how incredibly different that is compared to being active for multiple days in a row in a 30 man game with vets? And why exactly couldn't jaminz have been blue? You declared after 1 day that he was a lurking mafia when he could have easily been a lurking blue according to you. He had nearly as many posts in one day of mini mafia as in five days of this game? His play wasn't consistent. Yes, he could have been blue, but that applies to everyone. If I feel someone is acting scummy, I'm going to say so. On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: 5. The dt check of AO. I am like 90% sure that forumite did not DT check AO. Did you read the post where I gave my reasoning for this? Throughout this game there are a lot of times where you seem to skip over points that don't quite coincide with your plans instead of addressing them. You didn't even address iljs argument about the sinani coached post as well. Instead you attacked a couple of minor trivial points he made. Yes I read that and I disagree. Furthermore, when you said you think it wasn't a check, I explained how dts usually soft defend targets they check green, which shouldn't be compared with scum checks. Explain to me how attempting to confirm a town green would coincide with scum plans? What difference to me would it be if 2 townies were up for lynch, as you claim. Scum want to get to LYLO by whatever means possible. As for the sinani coached post, that is a textbook example of WIFOM. They very well could have told him to say that in order to gain jonn false town cred later on. On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: 6. And like I tried to make as clear as possible I am not just bashing you for being wrong I am bashing you for not trying to actually win. Show me examples of you pushing hard for a lynch or pushing hard to defend someone. Or more importantly actually discussing relevant points with people to make the correct decisions. This game you post your analysis then pretty much sit back and let the rest of the town do all the real discussion. In the previous game you were wrong several times but you were actively discussing and trying to make sure the town got the right lynch. Can you show me anywhere in the game you actually tried to defend someone? Sure. I'll write that up in a little bit. On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote: While everyone else seemed content to sit back and just hope they survived (yourself included) I put like 4 hours into my researching my post against you. I seem to be the only person left that really cares about making the correct decision and winning. I am kind of rambling here but I guess my point is yes I am town and right now I am voting for you. If I am wrong the other 2 mafia will also vote you and the town will lose. So you need to convince me to change my vote and so far you haven't given me anything that out weighs all the points I have against you. Show me clearly why I can trust you are town and show me clearly who the other mafia are. You said you are bashing me for not trying to actually win, well I'll defend myself to the death, because if town is wrong then we lose. I'll post my analysis of who we should be lynching later today, but I'll tell you right now my suspects are still jonn and elm. Notice how everyone seems content with the current status of the game as they sit back and wait for the game to end. | ||
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On May 29 2011 00:04 Mig wrote: And really you knew jaminz was blue last game from day1 last game? Lets look at jaminz posts from mafia XXXVIII on day 1. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote: I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night. I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 13:39 jaminz wrote: I'll be completely honest about that one, and you can ridicule me all you want for it: I was nervous that I'd be modkilled for not voting, and wanted to make sure I had a vote in before things got too out of hand so I voted for Dr. H. I know he knows how to play the game, and my gut said he was the one to pick. I guess those 2 posts were all you needed to determine he was a lurking blue that game instead of a lurking mafia? Here is his one and only post from day 2 + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote: Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can. I gotta say pretty impressive that you knew he was a lurking blue from just those posts. And you say that blues and reds lurk but so do disinterested/busy/overwhelmed townies. In fact those are probably the most common type of lurkers, especially in big games filled with new players. I don't think I am buying your story about knowing that jaminz was a lurking blue from day1. It feels more likely to me you just made that up to try and give your argument credit. Which is just another thing that makes you look scummy in my eyes. This shows how much you are tunneling. You are unwilling to listen to reason and seem to think anything I say is scummy. I did indeed know jaminz was blue because I was the watcher. We watched the same target on night one. If fact, I knew you were blue day one as well since all three of us visited bum. That is why I subtly defend him in that game when people wanted to have him lynched. | ||
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On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote: You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said. Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with. Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there. Nice of you to join us, scum. How come I have a feeling this is going to be the only post you make all day cycle? | ||
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On May 04 2011 14:19 kitaman27 wrote: I agree Irish was acting pretty defensive. I'm not sure I get what red is pointing to, but at least it got a response out of him. Does anyone happen to have the link to coag's old game? Would be nice to be able to compare his playstyle. On May 04 2011 14:30 kitaman27 wrote: Obviously people can change up their style game to game, but it can give us an idea how certain people respond to certain situations. Like for example, if irish was town in coag's game and laughed off or ignored an accusation, it would make me more suspicious of him in this one. On May 04 2011 23:50 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? Why should you be worried about coming to people's defense? Only scum worry about getting connected to others. A town does not feel guilty about standing up for someone they feel is innocent. On May 06 2011 04:30 kitaman27 wrote: Irish_Punk13 This guy has been completely absent from the discussion after initially responding aggressively to pressure. His play so far has differed from his UG game as mafia, but that doesn't mean he hasn't changed up his playstyle in a more hostile environment. By ignoring the situation, he is digging his own grave. On May 05 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote: I just finished skimming through Irish's game as mafia. Mainly I just read his posts, rather than the entire game, but the first thing that stood out was he clearly wasn't a noob. He seemed to have a pretty good idea of what he was doing. The main difference between that game and this one so far is his thread presence. On UG, he was one of the more active posters and played a pro-town game (enough so to draw a day one medic save). When pushing a lynch, he got pretty aggressive. As for how he responded to pressure, it probably wasn't the best game to gauge. The scum team had a flawless victory so there really wasn't much for him to worry about. He did do a decent job of blending in though, as this was posted in post-game: Looking back, I think his overreaction was probably overstated. He came off worried, but that alone isn't really enough to make him guilty. Of his posts so far, this one feels the most off. I must have missed all the great posts by Kurumi. Most of them were either spam or left me pretty confused. Not sure how he gets a town read off that. Jumping on AO seems pretty convenient, but at the same time, he was apparently "joking" about a policy lynch. I would like to hear more from him in the next 24 hours. If he doesn't handle pressure well, then it would be beneficial to try to force a slip out of him. The other person who I would like to here more from is chaos13. After his weird guilty post about defending irish, he has posted mostly questions and one-liners. On May 06 2011 10:48 kitaman27 wrote: It was the previous one XXXVIII. Not that it's going to make a difference, but I'm voting irish for never showing up to defend himself. Next GGQ tries to attack me for lurking. This by no means clears me, but it should give me town points. On May 08 2011 11:47 kitaman27 wrote: Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting. I was wrong on the Amber vote, but I still agreed he could be scum. As stated before, I called for a vig shot. Do you realize how terrible of a position that puts scum in? Mafia is down a kp, they lose their strongest player and GGQ is revealed to be a fraud and gets hit by kenpachi. chaoser's fake claim turned out to remedy the situation, but I claimed for a vig hit before his claim when it looked pretty clear that Amber would live. On May 09 2011 10:01 kitaman27 wrote: Something no one has really mentioned is our day vig (assuming they exist). If he wants to consider shooting one of the two, we could kill two birds with one stone and lower the mafia kp. Here are my posts on jonn. My main argument is that he tried to convince others he was town by false logic. He quotes a meaningless post by choaser and refers to past games to try and convince us of his current alignment. sinani's "coached" post should have nothing to do with his innocence. In addition, he pretends to give up and disappears for long periods of time when people are suspicious of him. On May 11 2011 03:46 kitaman27 wrote: lol wut? Your past history has no impact on your current alignment. This seems scummy to me. On May 11 2011 12:00 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my two preferred lynch candidates for today. I apologize for the amount of quotes, but I think they are necessary to support my main points. Ilovejohn What exactly does the "invisible poster" mean? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't stood out thus far? Seems like a good scum trait to me. It took you two hours to read through the thread. That's why you couldn't change your vote? How convenient. He states multiple times how he think Beneather is a lurking scum, yet conveniently changes his mind to vote for Cthsazsa when there has been no change in the Beneather situation. The jewel of his scum posts. Everyone read this, please. He uses a dead man's read to try and confirm himself as town. Could you point this out to me? I never found it in your posts. Why even bring up your past history? Again, you're trying to buy town cred using bogus reasoning. Conclusion: Scum I had the following exchange with elm that everyone seems to want to ignore. I called him out for lurking and he acts as if that's a good thing. Six posts in the last 30 pages. Give this guy a gold star. Oh wait, the only analysis you've provided is "lol scum, he plays sc2 mafia". Bravo. I was wrong on Impervious and jaminz, but since you claim to say I wasn't pushing his lynch, here is proof. I point out that he pushed hard to save sinani when a kp was on the line. I also argue with forumite that he should switch his vote over to impervious. On May 18 2011 07:19 kitaman27 wrote: I'm going with Impervious. He pushed for lynching EM day three by saying we would have "more to gain" by lynching him. He defends sinani without providing a reasonable explanation why. I think he is the best bet for today. On May 18 2011 08:59 kitaman27 wrote: A statement and its converse aren't logically equivalent. What makes you want to lynch redtooth first? Is no one willing to switch over to impervious? If my vote is going to be meaningless, I'll switch over, but I think I'll wait a bit longer. On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Conclusions: -Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else. You claim that I haven't pushed my targets, but it has been pretty clear that I have. | ||
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On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote: You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said. Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with. Another post that screams of guilt. You point out how fast the bandwagon has grown on me and how I've been on the right side of a bunch of lynches, but you still vote for me anyway. This post is a prime example of how you know I'm town. | ||
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On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote: Why do you disagree with the fact that I don't think forumite checked AO. Forumite defended AO on day 1 saying he wasn't scummy. Why exactly would forumite check someone he doesn't feel is scum, instead of people he was voting for or suspicious of? Also later on he twice randomly lists chaos as green for no reason. I see absolutely no reason he wouldn't have listed both AO and chaos if he had actually checked him. Explain to me how this aligns with the scum agenda? With you and choas13 practically being confirmed town, why would I try to add another confirmed to the mix? Do you think I realized that people would shrug off the check and lynch AO anyways? Give me a break. On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote: And my point is you didn't really defend him. You brought up the check but did you really argue for it? You are arguing now 50000x harder than you have all game. If you are mafia you want AO lynched so you soft defended him to buy yourself a bit of credit but you still want him lynched so that you can use ilj as your target for the next day. Mafia does not want to just reach lylo no matter what, they want to reach lylo with people they think are lynchable. If you had put 1/10th of the effort you are using now to actually defend someone this game your arguments would be a lot more believable to me. What more was there to say? I thought he was checked, others thought he wasn't. It was important enough that I got out of bed to post my findings in case I got night hit. As for why I'm arguing 50000x hard now? Its because I know my alignment. I know if I get lynched then we lose. On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote: And you dismiss the sinani coached post as just wifom really? How about the fact that mafia kp was on the line? How about the fact that I voted to have sinani lynched on both day three and day four? You're contradicting yourself here. | ||
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On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: Once again you don't actually address my points for why AO wasn't checked by forumite. Can you give me some logic for why you think forumite checked AO and what day you think he did it? Dts can post their opinions of people even if they haven't checked them you know. forumite had 6 different checks. I can't be sure what day he did it, but the only other person we can be pretty sure he checked was orgo. That still leaves 5 other opportunities and AO being a heavily discussed target would be a decent candidate. Either way, this isn't helping the current situation. We could waste our time arguing about whether or not the check was real, but that still doesn't matter. What matters is I posted evidence in which I believed helped clear a town. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: And lol did you really think you were adding another confirmed townie? Your posts certainly didn't show it. Your first post that day you mention that there was also a chance that AO was the gf so the check could mean nothing. Your 2nd post you say that AO and ilj are both being silent and one of them should be lynched that day. I mean come on did you really believe that AO was town? If you did why did you not try in any way whatsoever, other than quoting one post by forumite, to save him???? We had 2 full days with nothing else to do and you let the town lynch someone you thought was a checked townie with no protest. I mean come on. I woke up in the middle of the night to post what I found. Yes, I thought he was town. Was I positive? No, only forumite knows who he checked. You attack me for not defending him hard enough, but did elm defend him? No. Did dropbear defend him? No. Did jonn defend him? No. Did you defend him? No. The entire town was inactive yesterday, not just me. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: And wtf once again you don't address the sinani coached post points. Instead you again try and attack some smaller irrelevant point. I am looking for some logic behind these decisions kita. I don't believe mafia are just randomly doing things. They obviously put some thought into it before they coached sinani so tell me what exactly was the mafia logic behind doing it considering the points I brought up about. Does it really make more logical sense that mafia was bussing instead of really trying to save sinani? What is there to explain? sinani posts suspicion against jonn so people like you suddenly believe that he is cleared. I know I'm not scum, so unless either you or DropBear is also scum, then that turns out to be what happened. I can't tell you what scum's logic is because I'm not part of the scum team. That's why it is WIFOM. We don't know if he was truly suspicious of jonn or if he wanted people to believe he was suspicious of jonn. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: And can you explain why you haven't defended a single person this entire game, other than quoting one post from forumite? Can you explain why you didn't try to actively keep any innocents from being lynched? On May 13 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote: Current reads: People I trust as town: 25. kitaman27 - Myself, though that's for you to decide :p 11. Kenpachi - vig, confirmed town 1. sandroba - 95% confirmed town for pushing Amber day two 26. Cthsazsa - 95% confirmed town for the tight day two lynch against Amber Likely town 6. AirbladeOrange - irish voted for him day one so leaning town 13. Mig - Hasn't done anything this game that jumps out as a scum tell 16. Forumite - Only thing against him is the Amber lynch, otherwise looks pretty clean Also, scum love to defend townies since they know others alignments. Rather than town hunt, I've scum hunted, I've voted for irish, Amber (post check, but there was the vig call), sinini (twice), and jonn. Why are you pushing me so hard, yet completely ignoring the alternatives? How many people have jonn or elm tried to get lynched or defended? On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: So basically throughout this entire game the only things I can give you any town points for are 1) calling for vig shot on day 2) GGQ calling you a lurker-but obviously this is a minor point 3) you attempt slightly to defend AO but then you ruin it by not bothering to defend him whatsoever the following day. 4) you voted sinani but on day 3, I am willing to give a small amount of credit here but I explained why people can't just assume this clears you. So after playing for 9 days kita there is 1 clearly pro town thing you did then 3 things which are mildly pro town. From my perspective it looks like you pretty much just actively lurked this whole game without contributing anywhere close to your normal level. How about town points for this? chaos13 clearly thought I was town. He then proceeds to get night hit. On May 22 2011 22:35 chaos13 wrote: kitaman27 - I am quite sure that he is town at this point. It is rather strange that a veteran player would still be alive at this point, but if I'm not mistaken, ilovejonn and one other (AO?) are relatively experienced as well. I had a strange feeling about him earlier, and went back to make a case against him as being scum, and I was nowhere near convinced by my own argument. His posting has been consistently pro-town. On May 23 2011 03:45 chaos13 wrote: Why are DropBear and kita your next suspects after orgolove? On May 23 2011 06:29 chaos13 wrote: I say we leave it for the usual length of time. The more time we have to discuss, the more likely we'll actually catch scum. I don't think kita is scum. Either that, or he is doing a really good job at hiding it. There was also redtooth's "bait" that he laid for me. I did not respond how a scum would. I was scum hunting, but not trying to push him with malicious intent. On May 08 2011 00:49 redtooth wrote: Kita is heavily leaning town (almost obvtown level now) because of his proactive behavior and because of this. The reason why I baited him was to see if he would jump on it. Like my methods or not, I'm going to be hunting scum fiercely so it'd be in their best interest to get rid of me ASAP. My admittance of having a smurf is perfect ammo to start a baseless lynch-all-liars bandwagon. Instead he just took it into account and dropped the subject. Kita, you get the redtooth seal-of-approval. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: I understand maybe you are getting frustrated because I seem to just dismiss anything you would view as pro town but I give logical reasoning behind all my points. So instead of attacking irrelevant details give me some logical answers to my questions. What is frustrating me is that the entire town is voting for me and mafia is going to win without even having to argue on the final day. You're holding me to higher standards. I'm no Foolishness or Radfield. I don't have a reputation of being sniped day one. Mafia is getting away with trying to get my lynched for the sole fact that I've played more games than others. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: Tell my why you think forumite checked AO. Tell me why you think it is more likely the mafia bussed ilj instead of really tried to save sinani. Tell me why you didn't really try to save AO at all. I need some logical responses to believe you here. I think forumite checked AO because he posted in the thread why AO has been pro-town. The fact is, I didn't see AO as being a pro-town hero. I felt he had extra information others did not. I did try to save AO. I voted for jonn. The vote was 2v3. A single person could have flipped it. I think it is more likely sinani bussed jonn since the alternative is even more unlikely. I know I'm not scum, so that means 2 of you 4 are scum. I have a town read on you so that means unless elm and dropbear are scum (likely elm, not as confident about dropbear), then sinani did indeed bus him. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: Also you still haven't posted a decent argument against ILJ. You just quoted your analysis from day 3. Can you give an up to date analysis for why he should be lynched over you? I still plan to yes, but spending all this time to defend myself hasn't even given me time to make an argument against jonn and elm. It will come, but as today was already a busy day to begin with, I can't guarantee it will come until tonight. On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote: And jonn you said it was good that this was saturday and sunday so I assume that meant you are going to be active. So come on you gotta give me something here. You have made no real analysis and have just taken a completely obvious and pointless stance that we need to be careful because it is lylo. So ask kita some questions, give specific examples of how kita is suspicious, defend yourself from his accusations. You gotta help out. Me and kita are the only 2 trying here. Exactly. Scum must be thrilled that the main event of LYLO so far has been two town arguing with each other. Don't you find it suspicious that everyone else has been completely absent? | ||
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On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote: Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo. Soft defends irish day one. On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote: Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. I also explained why I don't think the other candidates are a better choice than Kurumi. Only reason people may think I'm inactive is because there are posts and pages flying through and my posts are probably not long enough. I would agree that some vets around are posting less than usual though. However I'm pretty lenient since it's only Day1. On that note though, I have work 11 - 9 est tmr and will only be posting after 10 pm. The self proclaimed invisible poster. He is proud of being able to lurk. In addition, he feels guilty for lurking and finds it necessary to explain why he is inactive. On May 08 2011 04:35 ilovejonn wrote: I am not familiar with Amber's play. But it seems to me he does seem to lurk a lot. However, based on his activity levels and the limited posts he has made, it seems to me he is definitely hiding something. But from the posts I've read, the posts are not anti-town, more like a natural defense to accusations brought against him. If you know what I mean I would not want to say more. On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote: Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow. Infers that Amber is a blue role. On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote: Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on. To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities. Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed. The first real scummy post. He makes a point to point out chaoser's green read on him at a completely random time. On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote: Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it? Today's vote I am going with EM. I'm demoralized for being wrong so many times already and the only thing that is keeping me going is that chaoser was suspicious of EM as well as my own analysis of EM. Funny, pretty sure that is the same thing that is happening to me, yet you seem to have no problem with it. Also, note how he is trying to tie his alignment in past games to the current one. On May 12 2011 11:01 ilovejonn wrote: Caught up. I'll say this, if EM doesn't flip red, go ahead and lynch me next day. I'll be ashamed to stay alive being wrong the whole game. Also, conversion just voted for himself. =/ And no, I'm 20. We never called his bluff. On May 14 2011 02:27 ilovejonn wrote: Here guys, use my vote. Even though I'm done I'm not gonna get modkilled. ##Vote: sinani206 Do you see how defeated his appears? He knows scum is in an awful position and votes for sinani only when he knows he has to. On May 14 2011 03:34 ilovejonn wrote: I agree, at least killing me will provide you guys with more information. I'll do whatever town needs the most. On May 14 2011 04:06 ilovejonn wrote: I'm townie. Why not lynch for information? We have mislynches at disposal. And what defense do you guys possibly want from me. I've been on all the wrong lynches and have no credibility in this game any more, flipping will probably provide more than what I can say. blah blah blah, scum On May 24 2011 06:05 ilovejonn wrote: I don't understand. How does orgolove flipping town constitute me being mafia? If you guys lynch me the next day, provided orgolove flips town, you would get ANOTHER mislynch. I've already explained why his spreadsheet is the worst way to find scum. It is all based on voting analysis. I've literally explained my reasons for each of my votes. We don't know the scum agenda, for all you know a member of the scum team could have bus'd his team mates with every vote and end up low on orgolove's spreadsheet. Look at sinani, he was low and flipped red. It just doesn't make sense putting those arbitrary points into a system when you can't account for what the mafia wants people to thiink. He knows orgolove will flip town and is panicking. On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote: You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said. Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with. Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there. He jumps right in on the kita bandwagon and then disappears for the rest of the cycle. He buses his scum buddy elmizzt, but who cares? He knows he has won since its LYLO. Now lets take a look at his voting history: Day one: Kurumi wrong Day two: Cthsazsa wrong Day three: EternalMisfit wrong Day four: sinani206 Correct Day five: orgolove wrong Day six: orgolove wrong Day seven: AirbladeOrange wrong Day eight: kitaman27 wrong Could it get any more obvious? You give me a hard time for voting for voting jaminz and impervious, yet he has been wrong seven times! He isn't exactly a newbie either. 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On May 29 2011 11:49 GMarshal wrote: this post is a blatant attempt at stopping kita from having the last post in every thread! Your blue text can't fool me. Scum. | ||
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On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote: This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind. Hey look, the scum are giving each other pats on the back for their analysis! How cute. On May 08 2011 11:54 elmizzt wrote: Make up your mind. Am I doing a "to good job blending in" or sticking out? The weirdest exchange in the entire thread. I call elm out for lurking and he responds that "posting less would be sticking out". How does this make any sense whatsoever? Does nobody else find this incredibly odd? On May 16 2011 11:13 elmizzt wrote: Discredits the spreadsheets since they implicate his buddy jonn. On May 26 2011 08:10 elmizzt wrote: I spent about 2 hours last night poring over both their respective post histories, and I have no idea which I would prefer to lynch. Theyre both pretty equally scummy imo, and it doesn't help that their vote patterns are nearly identical. =/ I am probably just terrible at analysis I suppose based on forumite's semi-vouch for AO, I'd say ilj would be a better target for tonight. So you're saying you spent 2 hours yet refuse to make an opinion on anything? Scummy, scummy, scummy. Everyone re-read this post. On May 26 2011 08:43 elmizzt wrote: Yea, I've been keeping up. I just really don't have much to say, unfortunately. On May 28 2011 17:36 elmizzt wrote: The remaining mafia are kita and dropbear. First off, i've been wanting to look away from ilj for a while. It's far too quiet for the last couple days for the AO/ilj train to be true. A sign that scum is happy with the way the situation is, and feels zero pressure to intervene. Luckily the AO lynch stirred things up a bit. Since it looks like with my vote on kita, we have a confirmed lynch for him, I won't discuss him as much, but mig's analysis of him is pretty good. However, Dropbear, seeing the game so close to a mafia victory, has gotten ridiculously sloppy. At this point, the scum strat is to bus kita for the cred for that 1 vital mislynch. Kita is pretty much dead after mig's post, and the zero resistance he or anyone put up. First, dropbear puts up a token defense of kita, really just milks it. Mig smashes it, as DB had expected. DB then builds rapport with an obvious townie, Mig: More sucking up to build trust. He gives validation to Mig's suspicions by saying he was "going to say elmizzt as well". I'd bet that if Mig had said he wanted to shoot ilj, DB's post would read " ya, I was going to say ilj as well" : The rest of his posts are just more pushing for Mig to solidify his suspicions. DB is waaay too overenthusiastic to just get it done. At this point in the game, where one mislynch spells the end of the game, rushing headlong into a lynch is not the best townie play. DB's whole attitude basically reads to me like scum smelling blood and getting overzealous. Bam. Hook, line, and sinker. These are consecutive posts. He goes from "not having anything to say" to jumping right on the kita bandwagon. All I have to say is LOL. Don't expect to hear from him again this cycle either. It's pretty obvious he is reading though. Dirty lurker. Voting history: Day 1: Redtooth Wrong Day 2: Beneather Wrong Day 3: sinani206 Correct Day 4: sinani206 Correct Day 5: redtooth Wrong Day 6: orgolove Wrong Day 7: ilovejonn Correct Day 8: kitaman27 Wrong Conclusion: elm is scum. It didn't take long to read through your posts. In fact, 75% of them are one liners. Lurk, lurk, lurk. It's time for you to decide town. I've done my part. Are you going to buy into this ridiculous argument against me or lynch these obvious scum? | ||
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On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote: Hey look, the scum are giving each other pats on the back for their analysis! How cute. The weirdest exchange in the entire thread. I call elm out for lurking and he responds that "posting less would be sticking out". How does this make any sense whatsoever? Does nobody else find this incredibly odd? Discredits the spreadsheets since they implicate his buddy jonn. So you're saying you spent 2 hours yet refuse to make an opinion on anything? Scummy, scummy, scummy. Everyone re-read this post. Bam. Hook, line, and sinker. These are consecutive posts. He goes from "not having anything to say" to jumping right on the kita bandwagon. All I have to say is LOL. Don't expect to hear from him again this cycle either. It's pretty obvious he is reading though. Dirty lurker. Voting history: Day 1: Redtooth Wrong Day 2: Beneather Wrong Day 3: sinani206 Correct Day 4: sinani206 Correct Day 5: redtooth Wrong Day 6: orgolove Wrong Day 7: ilovejonn Correct Day 8: kitaman27 Wrong Conclusion: elm is scum. It didn't take long to read through your posts. In fact, 75% of them are one liners. Lurk, lurk, lurk. It's time for you to decide town. I've done my part. Are you going to buy into this ridiculous argument against me or lynch these obvious scum? | ||
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On May 29 2011 13:36 DropBear wrote: I would also like you to explain the timing of your ilovejonn/jaminz analysis on Day 3, which you never answered Mig about. It came just as EM and sinani had become the major candidates, with sinani tying ilovejonn. I felt jonn and EM were likely not both scum buddies due to this monster analysis, which has been the only real analysis jonn has ever posted. I had a stronger scum read on jonn then on EM. If you are trying to infer that I was attempting to distract town and save sinani, then I suggest you look at where my vote was. + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 16:17 ilovejonn wrote: Eternalmisfit Why I think he's scum This is his first post. In the very early stages of the game I think he has the right to just FOS them for now. Since he doesn't buy redtooth's accusation of him being scum it would be logical to only keep an eye on him only. His analysis of Kurumi is a long post just for an FOS. Kind of similar to what redtooth did on chaoser. The thing that irks me the most is that he needed this long of a post for someone like Kurumi. He even included quotes he himself thinks are not worth analyzing. What is the point in that? Seems to me someone is trying to look pro-town by extending their post length. Almost anyone can see Kurumi's posts up to this point are spam/disruptive. Funny how he makes an analysis for the easiest person to finger. At this point I'm not yet certain that he is trying as a townie or just pretending to be one. Also, I feel that his FOS post is to play it safe. He doesn't really have to take a stance and call him scum, but his long post for an FOS makes it seem like he is still contributing. Why would we want to lynch an inactive that is going to be mod-killed anyways? So that we can waste a lynch? This makes no sense. Also notice the last sentence. Usually newer players when they are SCUM they feel the need to get the approval or recognition of better players. There is natural sense of guilt since he knows what he said if anti-town. When someone notices that what he said is wrong, he covers it up and decides to change his stance to "I would totally lynch the scummiest person instead of the inactive if town says so." This post reeks of contradictions. He's suspicious and thinks Kurumi is probable scum. He says he's all for voting him IF he thinks he is scum (which he does), and then immediately says he won't vote for him because of his horrible posting. What? And then suddenly BAM an FOS on AirBlade which is surprisingly....dun dun dun, THE LEAST SUSPICIOUS PERSON OF PEOPLE HE FOS'd! I have trouble understanding why he needed to do an analysis on a person that he thinks has "no visible scum signs" and the least suspicious person on his list. Perhaps to seem like he contributed yet another awesome post? Starting to see a theme here? Contributing without actually contributing. Back to voting for Kurumi! I thought you wouldn't vote for him just on his horrible postings alone! Another huge contradiction. He has a placeholder vote on Kurumi all the while saying Irish is the better lynch. If you think Irish has scum-tells and lynching him would give so much information, why did you vote for Kurumi instead? From what you are saying Irish would be the better person to place your vote on! DOES NOT DELIVER! The thing that makes me suspicious about the spreadsheet, is that it is entirely fluff. Don't know if I'm using the term fluff correctly but I think it means a seemingly contributive post that has no value at all. Yes, thanks for putting numbers that indicate who responded to who. But in what context? Don't we have to still go to people's profile, find their posts, read thoroughly, before we can decide whether there is any significant connections at all? At least I wouldn't just take your spreadsheet and base people's relationship on the numbers you've shown after a flip. For heaven's sake, you created a tool to help yourself organize people's relationships, and you "forgot" to save it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, or maybe you just wanted to show people you're doing something pro-town and then forget about the whole thing. Oh and thanks for the last paragraph. Exactly the reason why I think you're scum. Conclusion: Eternalmisfit seems to have great lengthy posts that contribute little of value. Most of the things he says are really echoes of what the majority of people are saying. His posting career up to now has been very wishy-washy and he makes many posts that are contradictory. I believe he is scum! Glad you aren't completely inactive at least. Promise to be around tomorrow? I'll be heading to bed soon. | ||
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On May 29 2011 14:04 DropBear wrote: That is indeed what I'm attempting to infer. You didn't vote until later on, once the only realistic candidates were EM and sinani. Like I said before, I voted later on when it was 7-5, making the lynch competitive again. If I were on the other side, then it would have been 8-4 and clearly out of reach. You posted analysis on someone else during day three that wasn't sinani or EM, but that doesn't necessarily make you scummy. Also let me remind you of this post when you started to question sinani being scum. On May 13 2011 12:09 kitaman27 wrote: Why push those two rather than sinani? What changed your mind that he isn't mafia anymore? | ||
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On May 29 2011 14:14 DropBear wrote: K, what's your point? Why are you reminding me of this exactly? It came the next day. The fact that I was trying to prevent a redirection of the sinani lynch rather than trying to save him. What are your thoughts about my analysis on jonn and elm? | ||
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On May 29 2011 20:55 DropBear wrote: If everyone is forced to say what their role is it makes it slightly easier to show who's lying. From what I've read in old games it's standard practice when it gets to lategame. Not that it makes any difference, but I'm vanilla town. Kinda wish I was a day vig right about now though -_- On May 29 2011 17:10 Mig wrote: I don't want to kill elmizzit then get killed during the night and not get a vote in the most important lynch of the game. So I am going to vote for either kita or ilj today and like 95% I am leaving my vote on kita. Hate to break it to you, but there won't be a night if you don't change your vote. Today is just as an important vote as tomorrow will be. They are both LYLO. Scum only need one town to be wrong and they win. Obviously jonn and elm will be voting together on me. If you or dropbear vote for me, we lose. On May 29 2011 14:39 ilovejonn wrote: Also, I did not pretend to give up. I actually did give up, until I decided to continue on with the "play to win" rule and others convinced me otherwise. Obviously it would have been good if I died so town could have stopped discussing whether or not I'm mafia, but if it truly did happen this game would have been over already. I don't disappear for long periods when people are suspicious of me. I actually AM not available. Okay, I tell you I go out, you say that's me being guilty of being inactive. I go out without posting a reason, you say I'm lurking when I'm under suspicion. Tell me what I should do? 9 times out of 10 its the mafia that give up and say things like "lynch me", hoping no one calls their bluff. Just look at that dirty mole from PYPI. People are saying your play this game is consistent with other games, but have you given up then? No, because that is not how you play town. On May 29 2011 17:33 elmizzt wrote: Um, the "not having anything to say" was more of an explanation of why I hadn't posted much previously, and not a projection of future intentions. Also, yea you say that these were consecutive posts, but you fail to take into account that they were 57 (!) hours apart, and during that period, AO was mislynched, throwing town into turmoil. You're digging your own grave. Two consecutive posts, 57 hours (!) apart? Talk about lurking hard. Yet when we question you, you show up in ten minutes? Now that you saw I was up for lynch, you jumped on the opportunity to cement your victory. Problem is, you were too greedy. | ||
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On May 30 2011 05:16 Mig wrote: We are going to have a 50/50 shot at hitting the gf regardless of what day we try and kill them on. We will only get a tiny amount of extra information on who is night killed but we will pretty much be in the same position we are now. If I knew for sure that mafia would kill you during the night instead of me I would have 0 problem voting elmizzt. But I have no intention of being dead for the most important decision of the game. Even if I make the wrong decision today I want the ability to at least make it. So I will not be voting elmizzt today, I will vote either kita or ilj. Its not a 50/50 shot. Its a 100% shot if you vote jonn or elm. You've analyzed me, but anything you've said about me could be applied to them as well. Its the simple fact that I've played more games than jonn and elm that you think I'm the most scummy. I feel as if I'm talking to a wall at the moment as anything I say you see as scummy. Is there anything I could explain to change your mind? I don't care which one of them you decide, but our votes have to be together or we lose. | ||
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On May 30 2011 10:38 elmizzt wrote: lol. kita keeps jumping and dodging arguments. bouncing back and forth between stances. Your original argument was that my stance switched very quickly between two consecutive posts. I responded that they were actually very far apart in terms of time and circumstance. You responded by dodging, and making statements that I have already explained. nice try =/ Haha even further evidence that you are lurking so hard. The fact that you felt it necessary to respond to one of my random points shows that you don't want to look bad for accidentally posting in the thread. On May 30 2011 10:13 DropBear wrote: So kitaman27 hasn't voted for anyone yet..... Doesn't matter where my vote is if I can't convince the two other town :/ Kinda depressing scum is going to win after playing such a lurky game. We have elm who is lurking so hard he accidentally posts in the thread and we have jonn who claims to be around all weekend, yet has barely shown his face. I'll put my vote on elm on the slight chance that mig has been acting really really cruel and intends to save me -_- | ||
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Nice job sticking with your gut Mig. Don't feel too bad DropBear, you clearly put a lot of effort into the game. Once you start getting things right you will be a strong player. Sorry if I came off hard on you elm, I still <3 you. You just happened to be the easiest to pick on. | ||
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The hilarious part with sinani was what everyone was reading off of his posts. This one was a coached post and two different people came out and said that it was certainly not coached. The post that was a bus on jonn and cleared him in most peoples eyes was not a coached post. It was funny how it turned out. On May 12 2011 01:56 sinani206 wrote: Just because I am the easiest target doesn't mean you should gang up on me. In Sc2 Mafia, when the silent people get lynched, the loud ones turn out to be Mafia. As jonn said, our hitting strategy was to eliminate all of the pro-town players that we felt we were incapable of getting lynched. At the same time, we tried to distance ourselves from each other as much as possible in case the game came down to the late, late game. Shout-out for aidnai for pegging me as the godfather after we night killed him. As for the part that really matters, was AO really checked by Forumite? It worked out in the end, but I have to say the balance of the game seems a bit town favored, even without the medics. Two detectives, two vets, and four vig. Compare it to a game like XXXV, which had like 4 blues in total this seems pretty rough. We obviously dodged a couple bullets with the 2 blue modkills, the double stack on chaoser, and the missed dt checks on Forumite. I'm probably pretty biased being part of the scum team though :p Thanks for hosting Node and GM ^_^ | ||
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On May 31 2011 03:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Holy shit nice job kita and ilj congrats ! I saw that, you good for nothing noob :p | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:31 Forumite wrote: Scum, I have a question, why did you nightkill me? Did you take me out because I was a loud town or did you get a bluetell? Because you were a clean town. We were pretty surprised there was another dt around considering the amount of blues that had already popped. | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:40 ilovejonn wrote: Yep, we were just targetting most of the confirmed townies in people's eyes so that there are no more 100% town players. When you popped DT we felt lucky since obviously you didn't get to check me or kitaman27. I wouldn't have minded a check :p | ||
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