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Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 15 2011 10:14 GMT
#2035
Hi,
just read my PM that I am replacing Conversion. This is my first time playing a forum mafia game.
I will catch up reading first. I guess I should post an analysis on someone to contribute?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 15 2011 10:42 GMT
#2036
Or is it like last night that we should not post analysis so that the mafia cannot choose someone?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 15 2011 10:51 GMT
#2038
Okay, I guess I will make a list with all remaining players and my thoughts on them and post it first thing in the day so people can analyze me.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 15 2011 17:25 GMT
#2046
Thanks for the summary, I just checked sandroba's last posts and he was very certain that Impervious was mafia. Then I checked Impervious posts and he has said that he is tired and is planning on contributing from now on for the last 5 posts. Which has not happened.
I think we should consider Impervious as mafia strongly.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 16 2011 08:35 GMT
#2080
Alright, its day. It seems that Redtooth, orgolove, ilovejon and impervious are our prime suspects.
I didn't remember why orgolove was suspected that much and checked his posts, because he was not on "kenpachi's last list":

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2011 03:29 Kenpachi wrote:
That Summary is a bit butchered because Medics most likely exist.
Lets study the Mafia List

GGQ - Roleblocker
Amber[Light] - Goon
sinani206 - Goon
Irish_Punk13 - Goon

Now then, through my inexistent humble insight, i believe the other two mafia are well experienced players. Why? well, 1 of them is the Godfather which is GOING to be top tier in the mafia. The Goon that is left is most likely experienced because of the Mafia META.
You would never put more newbies that experienced players in the mafia due to heavy imbalance.
Our prime suspects are..
redtooth
ilovejonn
impervious
airbladeorange

hey theyre all experienced. Either redtooth or ilovejonn is going to be the godfather because i believe they are the 2 most experienced of the 4


What I found on orgolove is that he is he is very focused on ilovejohn, calling for lynching him every day:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2011 14:10 orgolove wrote:
So. ilovejonn. Lets go.



+ Show Spoiler +
On May 15 2011 15:49 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 14:59 DropBear wrote:
OK I'm back guys. Good work on the lynch! Big up to chaoser as well

Firstly, welcome Xedat!

Second, I am almost 100% ready to clear ilovejonn. The self-vote was strange and a bad idea but I can't really imagine a scenario in which a mafia would do this. Sorry for voting for you!

Third, orgolove, shouldn't NOT voting for sinani206 give people red points on Day 4? I can't see how ilovejonn can be mafia after this.


The next point I want to address is AirbladeOrange.

My analysis of him was heavily based around him being tied to ilovejonn. This lynch makes AO look much much better.

On the other hand, Mafia are in dire straits now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think we have another 3 mislynches up our sleeves, and that's assuming there aren't any veterans left in which case it could be more. In XXXVIII when our Mafia team was totally fucked, AO stayed on until the last possible moment. It's a trait he's shown before.

I'm going to look over him again but my suspicions have dropped drastically following today's lynch.


I dodn't quote his whole post, its the one with his "tabelatutory" analysis
+ Show Spoiler +

To me, the data clearly shows that ilovejonn and AirbladeOrange are the remaining two reds.

I strongly push for ilovejonn's lynch.


+ Show Spoiler +
[QUOTE]On May 15 2011 12:55 orgolove wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 15 2011 12:50 ilovejonn wrote:
bet he's still gonna stick to his data sheet and go with whoever has the highest points after tonight. because vote analysis is the best and only analysis am I right orgolove?

Nah, I'm still sticking my vote on you, scum.[/QUOTE]


For me it is very clear that either ilovejon or orgolove is mafia, ilovejon is attacking orgolove for only contributing with his excel stuff (I don't find it very helpful, to little sample size), and orgolove is tunneling (I hope i used that correctly) ilovejon, because he is so high on his list.

If we lynch orgolove or ilovejon we know the alignment of the other player.

On Impervious and redtooth:
redtooth has not contributed at all, I find that very suspicious, maybe we should force him into contributing?
Impervious as I said is on my scumlist, but if he contributes a bit more today he can live.

Summary:
I think we should lynch orgolove or ilovejon today, as it gives us information of the other player and they are prime suspects.


P.S.:
I will eat something now and maybe if I am bored after I will analyze ilovejon a bit.
I would really like to see an analysis of ilovejon that is not in form of an excelsheet.
I know that I did not touch orgoloves voting at all, I am not very experienced in analyzing that so maybe someone else can look into it?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 16 2011 08:53 GMT
#2082
I just took a shower and had some time to think about what I wrote.
On orgolove, I do not remember who wrote it, but someone said that orgolove does not act scummy but more like a butthurt townie who has worked a lot on his (tabulatory) analysis and after no one accepts it as sound reasoning for a lynch is a bit inactive.
I also think that what orgolove wrote is not that scummy and he was not on kenpachi's list what gives him town credit for me.
I would really like an analysis by orgolove about ilovejon.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 16 2011 08:56 GMT
#2083
On May 16 2011 17:53 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 17:31 DropBear wrote:
Ok while I'm waiting for AO's response I want to bring up another point about him.

Kenpachi was obviously killed due to him being a confirmed innocent. However there is another possibility, he pushed on AO on Day 4.

On May 13 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote AirbladeOrange
i approve.


On May 14 2011 05:54 Kenpachi wrote:
K. i dont wan tto kill sinani anymore. hes being stacked on way too fast in the past couple of hours. i say we kill AirbladeOrange..


Post sinani206 lynch:
On May 16 2011 03:29 Kenpachi wrote:
That Summary is a bit butchered because Medics most likely exist.
Lets study the Mafia List

GGQ - Roleblocker
Amber[Light] - Goon
sinani206 - Goon
Irish_Punk13 - Goon

Now then, through my inexistent humble insight, i believe the other two mafia are well experienced players. Why? well, 1 of them is the Godfather which is GOING to be top tier in the mafia. The Goon that is left is most likely experienced because of the Mafia META.
You would never put more newbies that experienced players in the mafia due to heavy imbalance.
Our prime suspects are..
redtooth
ilovejonn
impervious
airbladeorange

hey theyre all experienced. Either redtooth or ilovejonn is going to be the godfather because i believe they are the 2 most experienced of the 4


Pressure vote on AO from me.

What would be AO's agenda in killing off Kenpachi based on that? Revenge? I think you're reading too much into that. It was simply an easy kill to give no info, a delaying tactic by the last red because he feels no pressure from town.


I also think that AO would be stupid if he was mafia and killed kenpachi because of that, AO was not on most peoples list anymore, if killing kenpachi does something it is making us focus on AO more.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 16 2011 11:56 GMT
#2086
Orgolove, first thing you do is vote for ilovejon without explaining, tell us why you think he is mafia.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 16 2011 13:58 GMT
#2088
I read orgolove posts about ilovejon, but in my opinion he could write another analysis about him where he actually analyses his posting, he could convince me (and I think a lot of other players) if he would make a more compelling argument. Right now the only thing he does is drawing suspicion, I don't think this is helping town much.
Again, please orgolove, if you are pro town write an analysis of ilovejon.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 17 2011 15:56 GMT
#2130
On redtooth:
I also find his inactivity very suspicious and he is on my list. I just think that lynching him would not give us as much information, he has to post at least once not to be modkilled, if he does post something and it looks scummy I might switch my vote to him.
Redtooth's inactivity is almost incriminating him too much. He contributed a fair amount and then suddenly he is dead quiet, I think it might have to do with real life stuff he does.
Look at his post history, his last post here was may 17th, his last post on TL may 18th.
This is not to say that he is not scummy, I just think that lynching him might not give us any information and he would be modkilled regardless.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 17 2011 15:59 GMT
#2131
A disclaimer for each of my posts, I am very inexperienced in this game, so take everything I say with a grain of salt and don't hesitate to correct me if what I say is stupid.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 17 2011 16:02 GMT
#2132
Do I understand it correctly that one has to make one post per day/night cycle and has to vote in the voting threat not to be modkilled?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 17 2011 20:24 GMT
#2139
Just wanted to tell you that I am going to sleep now, I will miss the important phase of the vote (the deadline is in the middle of the night for Europeans^^)
I made a little list of "inactive" people:
Not voted until now:
Jaminz,elmizzt,Mig,kitaman27,redtooth

zero posts: redtooth
one post: Jaminz (one post night)

low post count:
Airbladeorange, elmizzt,kitaman27 (each 3 posts)

only posted during night:
ilovejonn (1 post day, 4 night)
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 17 2011 20:26 GMT
#2140
Mig just voted, as you can see.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 18 2011 07:59 GMT
#2237
By Zeus beard,
why wasn't I online the last minutes.
I really think analyzing who switched when could help us finding scum this time...
With Imp defending orgolove I would actually back away from lynching him, but I am not too convinced on ilovejonn either.
I have a gut feeling that neither orgolove nor ilovejonn are scum, but I have no Idea who could be then...
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 18 2011 08:01 GMT
#2238
@orgolove, I am also still alive, after the night 10 people will be left, 2 of whom are scum.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 18 2011 13:51 GMT
#2240
I also have a strange feeling about kitaman27, the problem is that I am equally unsure about nearly everyone.
I think everyone who is still in the game has been accused of being scummy at least once.
ilovejonn and orgolove keep acusing each other,
Jaminz has some strange voting (IIRC) and has been accused and Airblade orange has also been accused of being scummy a few times and that are just the ones I remember and I just skimmed a lot of pages in the past.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 19 2011 08:16 GMT
#2263
I also find Jaminz voting and contributions very suspicious, I find this post that dropbear also postet shows a lot:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2011 10:26 jaminz wrote:
I've been pretty MIA thus far, as you all have undoubtedly seen. I've been reading the thread, but just barely. I'm going to vote for Impervious after looking over his post history and reading the analysis from Kita and others.

I'm not voting for ilovejonn because the only two people who are currently voting for him are people I don't really trust (orgolove and Impervious).

I'm not voting for orgolove (yet) because I think that while his posting has been very erratic, I don't really think it's possible that scum would be that wild/weird this late in the game (and with only two of them left).

I'm not voting for redtooth (yet) because while his analysis was completely wrong in the early game, I don't think he's done enough to raise my suspicion about him to the point where I'd vote for him over Impervious. If I had to rank my top suspects it'd probably look something like this:

1. Impervious
2. ilovejonn
3. redtooth
4. orgolove
.
.
.
(5). Kitaman and some others I just have weird gut feelings about

He tells us why ne finds ilovejonn and orgolove are not that suspicious, like people before have done.
Then he says redtooth is not as suspicious as impervious and thats why he votes for Impervious.
He actually never tells us why he finds Impervious is suspicious.
If he was mafia and knew that redtooth is a townie that would be modkilled, that explains why he wanted another townie to get lynched.

Also this post is the only one where he wrote anything that could be called a contribution, except for posting the remaining players at the beginning of night 5, which can be seen at page one of the thread.
That is why I will vote for him for now, maybe I can pressure him into being more active in spirit of VarpuliS.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 20 2011 06:58 GMT
#2283
I like that more dead people than people still alive post -.-
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 20 2011 07:08 GMT
#2285
I want to post about orgolove again. In a word I flipped my opinion on him.
I wanted to lynch him over redtooth yesterday because redtooth would be modkilled and I wanted to pressure orgolove into contributing differently. It is to note that Impervious defended orgolove with his last breath and that sandroba didn't get a scumread on him.
For this day, even if you are uncertain about orgolove I urge you not to vote for him.
It is the same than with Impervious yesterday, orgolove and Impervious contribute and post at least. I think scummy players that are inactive like jaminz are worst than players like orgolove that contribute but you don't trust them as much.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 20 2011 07:10 GMT
#2286
One more thing.
I want to ask the players that are suspected if they could post a list of the people they find scummiest, so that when they flip green we have more names to work with.
This is especially for orgolove, who besides ilovejonn is scummy?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 20 2011 22:11 GMT
#2293
I want to stress that elmizzt, jaminz and AirbladeOrange are totally inactive.
If Mig is correct with his analysis orgolove is a shitty town.
The rest of the players might not post much but at least if they post they post something noteworthy we can actually work with.
Again, I dont think orgolove is scum, Impervious pretty much martyred himself to get the town away from orgolove plus sandroba did not have him on his list of suspects.

Orgolove will be a asted lynch. Vote for jaminz or if you ant to follo Dropbear vote for AirbladeOrange, but rite hy and at least do something.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 21 2011 08:18 GMT
#2320
After this night it will be 6 town 2 mafia, time is running out.
I just looked at the votes, the only one ho voted for Impervious and Jaminz is Mig, but I don't think that this is too scummy as 3/4 of all people with many votes (Imp,Jaminz,redtooth) have flipped green, the only one who also had many votes was orgolove and I am quite certain that he is not red.

Dropbear has been on AirbladeOrange for a while, if he could link to an analysis of AirbladeOrange I could be inclined to vote for him today.
I have the feeling that one mafia hides beteen the more inactive players and one between the active players, but you can't be too certain on that.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 22 2011 12:35 GMT
#2377
Sorry for being inactive, I am at my parents and don't have too much time.
I jsut rote a long post hy I think orgolove should be voted on but my parent internet died on me and everything is lost -.-
In a few words, if e don't kill orgolove after todays revealing it ould be stupid, my vote is on orgolove.

Second of all, I don't think kita is scummy only because he is alive, as mafia kills the people that are most trustorthy and not the ones that are most veteran.

All lynches after todays greatly depend on weather or not orgolove is mafia.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 10:56 GMT
#2392
Just checked back in, I will be more active tomorrow.
Dropbear has not voted yet.
I am pretty sure that chaos13, Mig and kitaman27 are town.
Dropbear contributes, but like Mig? I also alays had a bit of a strange feeling about him, but I must analyse him properly before I can say anything.

AirbladeOrange and elmizzt always were too inactive, I have the same feeling about them I had about Impervious and jaminz, that is why I am a bit more careful about allegations now. Of the to I tihnk AO is a bit more suspicious, but I also have to look more into that.

ilovejonn is town if orgolove is scum.

I am pretty sure that orgolove is scum.

I think chaos13 and kitaman27 have the highest danger of being hit this night, so it would be helpful for town if they postet a list of their suspects before next day begins.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 11:46 GMT
#2394
Did I not see him or did Dropbear really not vote untill now? when is the deadline?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 20:43 GMT
#2401
@ ilovejonn: Well yes, your position is pretty awkward, I think it was a failure on our part not to diffuse the whole orgolove vs ilovejonn thing earlier.
What I always found a bit problematic was that you just accused orgolove and didn't say anything about the other players.
You could contribute a lot more by just posting a list like chaos13 did.

@ Dropbear: How could forumite attack orgolove anymore without revealing himself? Also voting for orgolove is not based entirely on forumite's accusations, he was a vote target for the last two days and we lost those 2 days because we lynched scummy looking inactive guys.
Between Impervious, elmizzt, AirbladeOrange and jaminz there probably is one mafia. For me they were pretty much equally scummy and we got the wrong guys.
We could lynch AirbladeOrange and elmizzt today and tomorrow, but if none of them is mafia we have lost and as there are other targets that are more scummy lynching one of them would be stupid.

If orgolove is scum we can lynch AirbladeOrange and then see if we won or if we need to look somewhere else for the last 2 lynches.
If orgolove is town I think ilovejonn would be a better target, as it is our last shot and ilovejonn has a shitty voting record (there is a reason he is high on orgoloves list.)

@chaoser13/about AO As I said earlier I think AIrbladeOrange hides between the inactive players / is an inactive player. The suspicious thing about him is definitely that he jsut does not react to any accusations at all. All other players (Impervious, Jaminz) became more active after accusimg them or voting for them. Maybe mafia tries to sit this game out.

Tl;DR
Orgolove today, if he is scum AO after that, if AO is not scum we have to look at kita,dropbear and elmizzt.
If orgolove is town, get ilovejonn. If ilovejonn is mafia we still have to look at the people I mentioned earlier.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 20:53 GMT
#2402
P.S. I jsut looked at AO's voting. If orgolove is scum there is one interesting thing:

On the day 5 he is the third to vote orgolove after 2 people voted for ilovejonn and 2 who voted for orgolove. If orgolove and AO are both town this would be termendously stupid. I don't know what to think of that.
The days after Dropbear and AirbladeOrange just vote for each other, I somehow missed that.
What do think about this vote? Is this relevant?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 24 2011 08:29 GMT
#2427
worst case has happened-.-
my vote is between ilovejonn and AirbladeOrange, but I will have to look at each of them again,
AO is completely unhelpful and you can't read a single helpful post from him....
Ilovejonn in the other hand has a bad voting record and you can't really read him because all he did was accusing orgolove for the last x days.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 25 2011 08:06 GMT
#2444
So its Ilovejonn or AirbladeOrange today. kita seems to think that AO isn't as suspicious as ilovejonn, could you explain a bit more there?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 25 2011 21:35 GMT
#2447
My opinion on Forumite's post about AO is the same as Dropbear's, that is why I wanted him to explain if he really thinks that it puts the focus away from AO.
I think this game is pretty much dead as everyone that has been posting has been killed by now.
I will vote for AO today and Ilovejonn tomorrow if nothing drastic happens.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 26 2011 08:15 GMT
#2459
Regarding elmizzt and everyone else who is pretty inactive (ilovejonn, AirbladeOrange)), you can help town just by saying who you find scummy and why. At least we can analyze you then and determine if we should vote for you or not.
This Forum is so dead that even if you just say unimportant stuff you won't hinder town, as there is nothing else to read.
Also I am really interested in AirbladeOrange's answers.

@ilovejonn: Who are your suspects?
Why didn't you do anything except for defending against orgolove?
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 26 2011 19:38 GMT
#2464
I suspect that with "you" you mean Dropbear? Of course there is the possibility that Dropbear and kitaman27 are the last two mafia and are winning by manipulating us all into killing each other of.
If you think this is the case then make an analysis of either of them and try to convince us.
Other than that, I don't really see you, AirbladeOrange, survive this day.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 27 2011 19:59 GMT
#2500
I hate the fright today that kitaman27 and Dropbear are the last two mafioso and I checked their posting and voting for that....I didn't really find anything. I am also not too sure who the last suspects could be, all remaining players could be mafia now.
The person that will die tonight is probably kitaman27, Dropbear or me.
Of all people still in the game I think Mig is the least scummy, then Dropbear and Kita, ilovejonn and elmizzt are scummy to me.
It looks like tonights kill will not really bring new information (If I die kita and Dropbear are a little bit more suspicious imho).
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 28 2011 08:39 GMT
#2526
Finally I can eat some popcorn ;-)



The lurkers lounge is pretty lavish.

P.S: get'em boys
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 30 2011 09:09 GMT
#2706
Were is orgolove saying "I told you" ?
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