EPTOn May 05 2011 10:45 DropBear wrote:
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On May 05 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote: Very analytical, but at the same time, very aggressive. He doesn't give up. This causes me to believe he is a member of the Mafia. I will be voting for him today, Maybe you need to be reading the thread more... How can you say he is being very analytical (a positive good thing) and then go on to say that you think he is a member of mafia and vote for him when, on the flip side, you say AO is "Very suspicious with not much of a defense. Possible vote right here." and not for him? | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:00 KillerSOS wrote: How could standing out possibly be a good thing? Its only going to get you lynched or killed by the mafia. Nice play on my name btw, but I would prefer KillerSOS Also my whorish posting can be somewhat explained by my lack of interest in working on my paper, therefore I am obsessively F5'ing the thread. I'll be up all night finishing anyways... Actually I agree with Jaminz's recently written post about you. The object of mafia FOR TOWN is not to stay alive till the end. It is to try to find mafia. And to do that you take stances on issues and you fight for them. We're not trying to say another 3 years in congress. However, it IS the job of the mafia to stay alive till the end. I've been standing out all game and I probably will be killed but I'll do some god before I go. FoS KillerSOS. | ||
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Irish_punk Kurumi KillerSOS sinani206 (You need to explain yourself) | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:10 KillerSOS wrote: That is an interesting way of putting things. I'll allow you to think of all the possible roles in this game before blatantly explaining how you are wrong. The way you make it look like you are a positive to get killed and in the same statement giving me a FoS is too easy of a lead for any potential mafia to use. Simply put if you were to die tonight, by this line of reasoning I must be mafia. That seems a bit too forward than seems reasonable. I never said said that if I die tonight that you are mafia. I'm just saying that town wants to take stances. I'll back off for now. | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:11 jaminz wrote: Are you saying you're a blue? That's a really dumb thing to say either way. ....I was hoping you wouldn't actually post this btw... | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote: Stop for a second guys. Everybody that has been placed on your individual scumlists are pretty much noobs. If you think Node put together a scum team of all noobs you need to rethink who you are pushing. GGQ where are you? WIFOM, I only got four people in my List-O-Doom. I really don't know how many in them are mafia. Personally I think Irish is mafia and his flip will tell me more about Kurumi. They are so tied together it's not even funny at this point. I'm more willing to give sinani benefit of the doubt and assume he just didn't read the whole thread and made shit up to look like he was contributing since he's a new player. That does mean that he needs to step it up though. Waiting on him to see what his response is. | ||
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On May 05 2011 09:47 VarpuliS wrote: lol. I'm really suspicious of Kurumi right now. Reasoning is coming momentarily (within 20 minutes) Sup Varpulis. Still have that reasoning? | ||
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Is there a possiblilty that the US didn't actually go to the Moon? Yes While those are extreme analogies to your questions, the logical fallacy behind them are the same. While there is a CHANCE that it is possible, there is a BIGGER and more well supported CHANCE that Irish's scummy actions are just that...scummy actions. Your defense is essentially a roundabout stretch. Instead of thinking about it in a straight forward manner (Scummy actions=scummy player), you put forward this more complicated explanation: "It's not that he's acting scummy cause he's scummy. It's cause he's inactive and disinterested in the game." Aren't you basically making excuses for players acting scummy? You say we should not waste time on this. So how would we go about catching scum and not "wasting massive amounts of time"? You've yet to put forward anything to focus on (Saying you FoS me but that we shouldn't vote me just yet) Let's be truthful here, this post was motivated by a desire to discredit me and paint me in a negative light, not because you ACTUALLY think the case against Irish is weak. You first thought, hmm, I don't like Chaoser's posting and then added on this weak argument on Irish to try to give it legitimacy. If we were to use your logic, we could hand wave anyone's actions as "not interested so he made a shitty argument that was not only based upon false premises, but then immediately started a bandwagon." and no mafia would ever be caught. In regards to active lurking, do you understand what the concept of lurking even means? It means giving useless information and not actually taking a stance on anything. I've taken multiple stances, called people out, tried to promote inactivity amongst the vets, and put pressure on many people. I've helped create a pro-town environment. What have you done? Nothing. Sinani's "analysis" post is the most contradictory post I've ever seen. He says he's suspicious of AO but gives no reasons why and then votes Kurumi. When I catch him on it, he says that he forgot and then says Kurumi has been analytical and doesn't give up. I've been analytical and aggressive (both, by the way, which are generally POSITIVE), why didn't he vote me? Even if he's not reading the thread with much detail, to say he's voting for someone due to them CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION WITH ANALYSIS is ridiculous. To try to say a complete logically fallicy is due to inactivity is just WRONG in so many ways. Either way, I neither said I was definitely sure sinani was mafia nor did I say that I had found half of the mafia team. I made a LIST of those that I found suspicious. The people on that list will continue to be evaluated and either be kept on or taken off as events arise. My attention has been very focused (Irish) and the rest are me responding to things people say, as they say them. Should I only respond to issues regarding Irish and after that's resolved, to start noticing other things? No. Your argument to try to defend Irish is weak and your true motive to discredit me is seen. I completely support your stance that people should approach me more warily though but I disagree with the way you have gone about doing it (weak argument, convoluted logic). I still support the Irish lynch though I see a lot of people are for the Kurumi lynch. Either way, they are tied to each other via the chainsaw defense into vote switch of support that if one flips red, the other is sure to flip red. At this point I am 70% sure Irish is red. | ||
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Except I have focused on him? There's a certain thing called reading the air. I've already posted my thoughts on Irish, barely anyone responded to it and everyone seems to find it better to lynch Kurumi. I already consider both of them to be scum based upon behavior (Kurumi says to stop talking about me and 100% supports a lynch of Irish, AO accuses Kurumi, Irish comes in and chainsaw defends Kurumi with AO, Kurumi IMMEDIATELY switches votes onto AO) In this situation, whether we vote Irish or Kurumi, doesn't matter since 1) Both of them are acting scummy 2) Both lynches will be telling of the other person's alignment. The reason I push Irish's lynch is because I am more confident about his lynch over Kurumi's (70% sure vs 60% sure). Go reread KillerSOS' posts. People think he is scummy because of his line "Why would I want to be lynched, I don't want to die." Go reread his posts and decide if he's just a simple newbie or red. Either way, we can discuss his lynch tomorrow, after the night. About Irish. At the end of the day, whether you think he is mafia or not, he hasn't come back yet to defend himself at all. He has yet to explain his "Kurumi has made excellent analysis statements" and he has yet to explain his quick sudden suspicions onto AO. He literally popped in, said almost nothing, and then hasn't posted since. You're damn straight I find that scummy as fuck. I quote this line way too much but Ace, when he was helping coach Team Melee said: Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself? On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote: Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. About Kurumi. Kurumi is tied to Irish and you can see in his crazy convoluted posting that he's still trying to push the lynch off Irish. On May 05 2011 21:55 Kurumi wrote: It flipped so wrong,but so good after all. My mistakes and weird play created a bandwagon which is such an easy way for scum to push lynch. That's ok. About my hyperactive posting: I was really pumped out for my first Mafia game on TL,don't get me wrong but I wanted to flip out as best as I could,horribly failed though. The biggest concern now is that I generated some kind of defence for Irish_Punk13 which was not my intention,also I got connected with him. Even if You lynch Irish and he flips out Mafia I am DEAD. If You lynch me,I am DEAD. Who else can You lynch? Well,entire society is now focused on me,Irish,AO. It is very easy to make another same analysis post about how my or those two posting was,just take a note that does not certainly mean someone wants to help You,but just to show that Mafia cares to lynch someone who isn't them. My derail wasted a lot of Your time and I am sorry for that,I might meant it,but I did not think that it would turn out to be discussion number 1. Bandwagon is ready Scum,buy Your tickets,I am already cursing at You. No where in that post does he address the Irish issue. He doesn't explicitly defend him but he does insinuate that both of them are town. He passes off all the conversation on them as "scum forming an easy bandwagon". He states: I set the traps already,just waiting for prey I tried making myself easy Day 2 lynch to try to reveal Scum,but I pushed it too hard,thus it is highly likely I will die this Day 1. but previous to this stated: My mistakes and weird play created a bandwagon which is such an easy way for scum to push lynch. You can't just forget about my earlier mistakes So did he PLAN to act as an easy target to draw mafia out to band wagon him or was it just mistakes? He's wishy-washy here. Either state that your posting was planned all along or that your posting was "mistakes", stick to a statement, not both. | ||
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On May 06 2011 00:38 Kurumi wrote: Redtooth The plan was to make me an easy target for bandwagon,sadly I made some mistakes thus making me VERY easy target to bandwagon a day before I wanted it to happen. The Irish thing is just a lie repeated by someone I'd need to look for. My vote for Irish was just a blind vote for a person who came in,left us for a while,call it a poke or whatever. When he came back not only he started contributing so I could unvote him for now,but AO jumped with his "Dead townie good townie" thing. Who did you want to look for from the "Irish thing" that was a lie? First you say you were using it to look for someone and then you're saying it's a blind vote. Why did you wait a full day to reveal that you had this plan? Why do you consider your actions a mistake? Like you supposedly wanted, a bandwagon formed, so what was the mistake? What are you opinions on Irish saying that you had put forth good "analysis" when you hadn't yet? | ||
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