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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 03:17 GMT
#1448
I really don't understand GGQs post. Was he trying to trick the vig into not shooting him by fake claiming? If so he did it way way too late to be effective lol. And the vig needs to claim.

Like kitaman said for chaoser to have been shot twice there's almost no way we have any medics.

For GGQ to be mafia and not have been GF. We need to look really closely at the few remaining vets in the game. Primarily kita/redtooth/ilovejonn.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 03:25 GMT
#1452
Because then we have a confirmed townie. And the vig can only fire once so not like hes going to be a huge target for the mafia.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 08:16 GMT
#1478
orglove could you show how the numbers would look not taking into account the last minute jump onto amber. After chaoser claimed dt I feel like everyone was pretty much forced to vote amber regardless of being town/mafia and the only people who didn't were probably the ones who weren't online in time.

So basically I would like to know what the numbers would look like if voting had stopped at 11:15 with dropbears vote.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 08:34 GMT
#1489
On May 10 2011 17:22 Forumite wrote:
The simple fact that Cthsazsa was a strong lynchtarget the last turn, but show up as -17 (!) in the graph, tells us that this technique is unreliable at best.


Well I think it should be pretty obvious at this point that Cthsazsa is town. I believe several of the mafia probably put themselves out there trying to get the lynch from amber onto cth, we already know GGQ did this. If they were both mafia I imagine the mafia would have just hung back or tried to come up with a 3rd lynch candidate.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 09:05 GMT
#1508
I agree with going after em before dropbear.

I think there's still a chance db is just an extremely overactive townie who has been trying too hard to do analysis on everyone and consequently hasn't always thought everything through before he posts.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 09:09 GMT
#1511
EternalMisfit not elmizzt
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 09:33 GMT
#1516
On May 10 2011 18:18 orgolove wrote:
Ah. I don't think I see anything that particularly stands out about him from the rest, from voting patterns. All his votes were non-critical. What makes you so sure?...




I won't claim I am 99% sure like sandroba but his analysis when he was defending amber/attacking sandroba was poor. As for votes after the votes on amber reached 7 and tied for first 4 people voted for cthsazsa (GGQ, AO, EM, DB) I think there's a decent chance another mafia besides GGQ was in there as they tried to make sure amber wasn't lynched.

I will add tho I still believe that between kita/jonn/red one of them is the gf. But it's probably best to focus on trying to eliminate one of the easier to pin targets before we go after the gf.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 18:44 GMT
#1587

Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it?


What sense does this make jonn? Just because you have been town in the past it obviously doesn't mean you are town by default in this game.

You say you are going to vote EM which is fine but who do you think is the GF and why?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 19:04 GMT
#1594
On May 11 2011 03:59 redtooth wrote:
DropBear reads town to me. But then again I've been wrong a lot lately. Voting in case I'm not able to get back before night.


Who do you suspect red and who do you think is the gf? Even if you have been wrong a lot its better for the town still if you post your reads.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 19:12 GMT
#1597
I don't think that really says much sandroba. I believe most regular tl mafia games include the word vanilla for the townies.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 10 2011 19:40 GMT
#1608
Right 100% there is a gf because it isn't a given role it's something the mafia team chooses themselves.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 01:15 GMT
#1732
Eh as pretty much everyone has stated I feel really torn here.

EM calling for a vig shot definitely makes him look terrible. His talking about pming node so he can post his role pm makes him look a lot better. But one scenario where he could do it safely is if he pmd node and found out he wasn't allowed to post his role pm before he ever posted in the thread about it. That would have to be a pretty clever play from the mafia if that is true.

The main thing I have against sinani is actually an argument EM used. Sinani posts like he either has no ability to properly evaluate information at all or is not reading the thread. His 6mafia swing line was retarded and his day 1 analysis of players was almost completely incorrect. But as EM pointed out it seems obvious hes reading the thread since he was able to post a list of all the people who hadn't contributed and he was around for both day posts. But then as I looked through all his posts on TL to try and judge his reasoning ability I saw that hes only in 8th grade. I don't want to stereotype all 8th graders but his posting makes a lot of sense to me as an overwhelmed 8th grader. And its obvious that his posts are not being coached. With only 3 mafia left I figured the other 2 might try and help him post a bit better to survive, which clearly hasn't happened.

So for now I am going to vote EM because of the vig shot he called on himself, because his analysis now seems much better than when he analyzed sandroba, and because after the voting on amber tied 7-7 GGQ, AO, EM, DB all voted for cthsazsa and I thought there was a decent chance at least 2 of them were mafia trying to clinch up the vote.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 01:58 GMT
#1740
@varpulis yea it's definitely not rock solid evidence some 8th graders can keep up np, which is why I added the stereotype comment, but it's more likely for an 8th grader to post like sinani than someone who is in their 30s.

@impervious no worries I am 25 and ilovejonn is probably like 45




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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#1753
On May 12 2011 11:07 kitaman27 wrote:


Wouldn't mind seeing what he flips :/


Seems pretty unlikely he is going to flip GF if he is modkilled.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 04:10 GMT
#1818
On May 12 2011 12:22 sandroba wrote:
@Mig I can't seem to find sinani's post that states he's on 8th grade. Could you please point me to it?


On April 05 2011 11:14 sinani206 wrote:
Let's see if we can start this at my school...
Starting 9th grade next year, but I don't know any of the high schoolers, but as far as I know, me and some close friend(s) are the only ones at my school who play SC2.


From this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209187&currentpage=3#42

Orglove wtf you blame the town when you had your vote basically not count. You come here right after day ends blaming others when you could have voted sinani or argued for a 3rd party before day ended instead of having a null vote.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 04:26 GMT
#1823
You have a ridiculous attitude orglove considering you didn't post for more than an entire day. Then you could have made the deciding vote but instead you let your vote not count and then post bashing the town 30 min later.

You talk about all the work you put in but you didn't post for what like 40 hours? And you are surprised no one went with your ideas after you completely disappear?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 04:29 GMT
#1826
How can anyone heed what you write when you don't post at all trying to convince people? You didn't post for 40+ hours. And why didn't you decide between EM and sinani when you were clearly around?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 04:40 GMT
#1830
You could be the best scum hunter in the world but if you don't have the time or ability to actually post and convince people of your ideas then that's the fault of your game not the town's.

And you still haven't said why you didn't vote between EM and sinani.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 06:27 GMT
#1837
Orgolove when its clear that there are only 2 candidates being discussed for lynch you should vote for whichever one you think is the scummiest or at the very least argue for a 3rd option. Sitting there doing nothing and letting your vote be worthless is not good town play. If you want to say the town hasn't played well that's fine but your poor play is a part of that.

And varpulis chaoser is definitely right, town should not be cocky right now. If we lynch sinani and hes mafia then we pretty much have the game locked up but if hes town then we will have gained very little information from the last 2 days and we won't be in the greatest shape.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 12 2011 17:29 GMT
#1844
On May 12 2011 13:10 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 12:22 sandroba wrote:
@Mig I can't seem to find sinani's post that states he's on 8th grade. Could you please point me to it?


Show nested quote +
On April 05 2011 11:14 sinani206 wrote:
Let's see if we can start this at my school...
Starting 9th grade next year, but I don't know any of the high schoolers, but as far as I know, me and some close friend(s) are the only ones at my school who play SC2.


From this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209187&currentpage=3#42



I posted it on p91.
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