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On May 01 2011 04:14 Orange2 wrote:
So, terran I know you just replaced, but now is a good moment for you to start contributing, I dont know how far you've read, but assume that green is a beserk townie for a minute, looking at everything else in the thread, who is your #1 scum read and why? Number #1 town read?
Well I'm not going to assume that green is a beserk townie, he's clearly mafia.
I'm thinking blue1 is the most townie. He has too much of a presence in thread to me, and is trying to organize things. Not that I would listen to him, however misguided his attempts may be it seems genuine.
My best bet for mafia is actually you Orange2. Take a look at a post like this
On May 01 2011 08:48 Orange2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 07:46 purple2 wrote:
Blue2's search for blues is disturbing. To say the least. Yes, but was it just poor decision making or a deliberate move on the part of the mafia? To me at least it seems like he was trying to oust what he saw as a member of the mafia, do you think he was actually hunting for blues? Or was he working in the interests of the town and just happened to hit a land mine?
It doesn't seem like you are offering your own opinion. Instead it seems like you are trying to generate activity by asking people questions and hope you can trip them up.
In fact as I've been looking over through the thread this theme keeps on poping up, Orange two posting a lot, but not saying much about himself.
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On May 01 2011 10:17 Terran1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 04:14 Orange2 wrote:
So, terran I know you just replaced, but now is a good moment for you to start contributing, I dont know how far you've read, but assume that green is a beserk townie for a minute, looking at everything else in the thread, who is your #1 scum read and why? Number #1 town read?
Well I'm not going to assume that green is a beserk townie, he's clearly mafia. I'm thinking blue1 is the most townie. He has too much of a presence in thread to me, and is trying to organize things. Not that I would listen to him, however misguided his attempts may be it seems genuine. My best bet for mafia is actually you Orange2. Take a look at a post like this Show nested quote +On May 01 2011 08:48 Orange2 wrote:On May 01 2011 07:46 purple2 wrote:
Blue2's search for blues is disturbing. To say the least. Yes, but was it just poor decision making or a deliberate move on the part of the mafia? To me at least it seems like he was trying to oust what he saw as a member of the mafia, do you think he was actually hunting for blues? Or was he working in the interests of the town and just happened to hit a land mine? It doesn't seem like you are offering your own opinion. Instead it seems like you are trying to generate activity by asking people questions and hope you can trip them up. In fact as I've been looking over through the thread this theme keeps on poping up, Orange two posting a lot, but not saying much about himself.
Congratulations you caught me! I *am* trying to generate activity, such a smart catch Terran! =P
As for giving my opinion, I posted a whole list of opinions, as a matter of fact I've been giving my opinions all game long, so thats just wrong sorry, as I said on page 15 Pink is my number one scum read atm, I fail to see how you can say I'm not.
As for trying to trip up people, isn't that one way to catch scum? Not mind you that that question was in any way loaded, I am curious as to which purple thought it was. Although you are right I did deliberately withhold my opinion , that way I avoided influencing Purple's response. One major way to catch scum is to force them to offer their own thoughts, they will always be tainted by the knowledge that they are scum and that they are surrounded by townies, and by the fact that they have a different goal than we do. If they first see a townies opinion however, they can just latch on to that.
If you have anything else your accusations are based on, I am more than happy to hear you out.
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RoL, with green2 being banned... what happens now? Is he modkilled, replaced, what?
//Pink2
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Sorry about the delay, the esteemed scientists were conducting experiments via the game known as Starcraft Brood War on the big game hunters map. It appears as though green2 has been lynched so without further delay he will be removed from the chamber.
It is now night 2! Night will end 04:30 GMT (+00:00) .
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##Vote: Use our uber night reveal ability!
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The power can be activated now.
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##vote for Power
//Pink2
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Its night time, which means its list time!
So, my medic/dt list for tonight
Medic Protects
blue1 -so he fucked up, but he was trying to scumhunt and his tunneling on protoss all indicate town to me, send a protection his way
purple2 - another active poster, he has done nothing to make me think he is scum and has some posts that seem town to me. Protect him!
orange2 - again, I'm heavaly biased but I have the certainty that this guy is town =P
terran1 - he is suspicious of me, he is wrong, but that demonstrates a willingness to think and expose himself, I'm thinking he is town at the moment, if he isn't we should find out when he posts more
Now before anyone asks you'll notice, now I personally buy his medic claim, however if he survives till tomorrow and there are still mafia left then we have to deal with the whole issue of is he town or was he lying again, if medics were notified of absorbed hits then I would argue that its a great idea to protect him, if we have a second medic and he protects protoss and protoss gets cleared if the second medic claims, then the two medics protect each other the next night and (assuming green was scum) we just lynch everyone else, proceed to ride that to victory. With no notifications and the knowledge that the previous experiment contained three medics any medic who protects protoss and sees only one hit get through tonight has to guess, was it my protect? or did someone else get protected and I have no proof of protosess' alignment? I'd rather we not have to deal with that, too much guessing and wifom that can only end up hurting the town. Sorry protoss but I see you as a write off, on the bright side that makes you one less suspect, on the not so bright side we lose a medic and a town player, assuming you are telling the truth. If we knew we had three medics 100% then I would actually be ok with a protect on protoss, but we cannot know that either, and the possibility of mafia not shooting to get a "confirmed" townie is enough to worry me.
DT List
yellow1- has a good number of posts yet not a single one seems memorable to me, looks like a lurking scum
pink2 - I think he is scum, no real contribution outside of the "plan" and a nice omgus when under pressure, check this scum and dont be surprised if he returns red. Hell I think a vigi shot would be well aimed if it were fired here.
orange2 - Active players need to be checked, I'm active so check me
zerg1 - active lurker, shows up with some posts and vanishes again, mafia suspect.
On DTs, if you find mafia we need you to claim. Again checking protoss is a waste of a check mafia have to hit him tonight, if you want to check him however he might make tomorrow easier if mafia decide not to hit him/he is actually mafia.
That is all, discuss!
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On May 01 2011 15:00 Orange2 wrote:
Now before anyone asks you'll notice Protoss is not on that list, now I personally buy his medic claim
is what it should read, I need to start proofreading my posts
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Vote: use power
I'll add to the discussion as soon as we know how many mafia are left.
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I didn't just contribute the plan. I also analysed blue, at a time when many thought he was scum.
Regarding your suspects, could you rank them in order of most scummy to least scummy (from your pov obviously).
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On May 01 2011 15:00 Orange2 wrote:
Its night time, which means its list time!
So, my medic/dt list for tonight
Medic Protects
blue1 -so he fucked up, but he was trying to scumhunt and his tunneling on protoss all indicate town to me, send a protection his way
purple2 - another active poster, he has done nothing to make me think he is scum and has some posts that seem town to me. Protect him!
orange2 - again, I'm heavaly biased but I have the certainty that this guy is town =P
terran1 - he is suspicious of me, he is wrong, but that demonstrates a willingness to think and expose himself, I'm thinking he is town at the moment, if he isn't we should find out when he posts more
Now before anyone asks you'll notice, now I personally buy his medic claim, however if he survives till tomorrow and there are still mafia left then we have to deal with the whole issue of is he town or was he lying again, if medics were notified of absorbed hits then I would argue that its a great idea to protect him, if we have a second medic and he protects protoss and protoss gets cleared if the second medic claims, then the two medics protect each other the next night and (assuming green was scum) we just lynch everyone else, proceed to ride that to victory. With no notifications and the knowledge that the previous experiment contained three medics any medic who protects protoss and sees only one hit get through tonight has to guess, was it my protect? or did someone else get protected and I have no proof of protosess' alignment? I'd rather we not have to deal with that, too much guessing and wifom that can only end up hurting the town. Sorry protoss but I see you as a write off, on the bright side that makes you one less suspect, on the not so bright side we lose a medic and a town player, assuming you are telling the truth. If we knew we had three medics 100% then I would actually be ok with a protect on protoss, but we cannot know that either, and the possibility of mafia not shooting to get a "confirmed" townie is enough to worry me.
DT List
yellow1- has a good number of posts yet not a single one seems memorable to me, looks like a lurking scum
pink2 - I think he is scum, no real contribution outside of the "plan" and a nice omgus when under pressure, check this scum and dont be surprised if he returns red. Hell I think a vigi shot would be well aimed if it were fired here.
orange2 - Active players need to be checked, I'm active so check me
zerg1 - active lurker, shows up with some posts and vanishes again, mafia suspect.
On DTs, if you find mafia we need you to claim. Again checking protoss is a waste of a check mafia have to hit him tonight, if you want to check him however he might make tomorrow easier if mafia decide not to hit him/he is actually mafia.
That is all, discuss!
Now that's the most anti-town plan I've seen in a while. Protoss claim makes so much sense that we would have to be blind not to beleive him at this point. If mafia does not shoot, well that's wonderfull for us. We can have more time to analyse everything and it only benefits the town. It looks like you want to snipe the medic and prevent us from having a confirmed townie in case there's another medic. Also you seem pretty sure that there are other medics, and that would only make sense if you were mafia and knew that because you were protected last night and your 2nd shot did not go through. Your fos on pink makes no sense aswell.
I'd advise medics not to protect orange this night and dts to check him.
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FINALY, IT WORKED! a coherent opinion out of someone! I was kind of hoping it would be Pink who would point it out as it would dispel my suspicions, but you had to point it out blue, ok you are now almost guaranteed to be town in my book. You are correct, it is a bad call to say that medics should not protect Protoss, I used intentionaly bad logic to see who would call me out on it.
My FoS on pink makes perfect sense, he has provided an analysis with a verideict of "town" which as you should know is the easiest analysis for scum to provide and nothing else other than "easy" contributions.
Ok, lets discuss medics and protoss. As I see it there are two possibilities
1.) Protoss is telling the truth : I think this is likely, his claim makes perfect sense to me, from both the perspective of him being a relatively new player and from the explanation of his actions
2.) Protoss is lying scum and went for one of the oddest claims possible, scum almost never claim medic as medic claims are kind of weak and give very little control over the town, its still a possibility that merits consideration, but I'm not buying it yet, if he makes it with us to lylo then maybe
Now if we stick with the belief that he is telling the truth then it makes sense for medics to protect him, as the mafia is probably going to try to shoot him. It also means that Protoss is free to protect someone within the list and now that mafia know he is out there they have to second guess their decisions even more.
If protoss is scum, well then we might be able to catch him of analysis, and its not a matter worth worrying about until later.
Apologies for the gambit, but I wanted to see who would point it out, its nice to note that pink didn't point it out don't you think?
As to my certainty that there is more than one medic, the mafia got two kp for two days, and the previous game had 3 medics, I am firmly convinced we have more power roles, whether dead or alive remains to be seen.
Also pink in regard to my scum list you were just under Zerg, but the fact that you missed this obvious point is a rather large strike against you, any town player with intelligence would have realized that the best bet is to protect protoss. If we have a second medic and only one shot goes off and protoss is at risk of being lynched he can claim and we set up a circle of prots.
TL;DR: Blue is town, I can almost guarantee it now, medics should be protecting Protoss, I still think pink is scum
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Sometime today I'm going to find the ratio of # of statements to # of questions by Orange. I think that'll be an interesting statistic.
//Pink2
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Well, that's convinient. I must say orange that if you are mafia you are a clever one.
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Pink, how do you feel about purple?
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eh, off the top of my head?
I don't immediately remember anything he's done, but he's seemed to be on the right side of everything. If he's scum I'll be surprised.
Then again, its 6:30 am, so there might be things I'm just not remembering :/
//Pink2
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I still am waiting for night actions.
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