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CLICK ME YO Check this guide out. Explains the basics and terminology very nicely. | ||
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On April 13 2011 04:37 Jackal58 wrote: DocH Mafia fundamentals: Scumplay - Call everybody stupid. Townplay - Call everybody stupid.  Doesn't really give me any insight into XVIII that I'm trying to figure him out  | ||
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On April 14 2011 01:25 sandroba wrote: Is there a GodFather or a mayor in this game? From post #2 in this thread. The setup is F11; one of the following four setups is to be randomly chosen and used: Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town. The descriptions of each are there too. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:51 Forumite wrote: Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. You're not allowed to refer back to this when I label you scum.  | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote: Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum! GLHF! | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote: I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Why are you trying to protect inactives? Either they're not helping to scumhunt, or they are mafia. Let's hang em all ! | ||
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I might even do a character count! | ||
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On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote: Varpulis posted at the start of his thread that he wont be here on Thursday/Friday so we wont see him post till near the late end of the day. Since that was posted way before the roles went out, it is unlikely that it a strategy for hiding as scum. Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. LOL! What I'm really doing is grasping to figure out how to scumhunt in the absence of a mayoral election or something like that If you don't believe me, go read the last few pages of XVIII, its gold Jerry, gold! | ||
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On April 15 2011 20:06 Eternalmisfit wrote: Also, I think the way Zorkmind is subtly derailing the discussion by talking about less fun in this mafia thread makes me wonder if has a hidden motive. | ||
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On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote: There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I disagree. Sure it sucks, but once we lose the inactive townies who are not contributing to scumhunting, we'll have a better mathematical chance of lynching scum. I also get the feeling that Mafia will be killing the more active posters here. Maybe I should just shut up then! Is the Mafia's KP 2 to start? | ||
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On April 15 2011 20:52 sandroba wrote: There is a lot of harm in losing any kind of townies. I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive. This points to Forumrite. Unfortunately I´m going to post slowly during the first day-phace, lots of things happening this weekend, but it should pick up next week. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? | ||
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FoS sandroba Why explain why your town play is bad and then cite a guide you read that explained it was bad? | ||
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VarpuliS Senj Vain Penny for your thoughts? | ||
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On April 16 2011 05:48 VarpuliS wrote: I don't like the idea of lynching active players without a good reason, though, and neither of those reasons are good enough for a lynch. Also, there's practically no way that you've found both the mafia within 24 hours of the beginning of the first day. I also don't think there are good enough reasons yet to string someone up. I am suspicious about coming to the aid of someone that hadn't even come online yet. Finding both in like 5 posts would have been damned epic though. | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote: After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. I've just learned that you should always beware of the person that is the first to agree with a scum read. If I were a mafia I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie. Misfit was the first to point the finger at me, and I wanted everyone to wait and watch for the second Question for you Scheleosis......what's your plan to survive tomorrow? I'd say your only bet is to claim blue. ##Vote Scheleosis | ||
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On April 16 2011 10:12 Shcoleosis wrote: "If I were a mafia, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to form a bandwagon against a known townie." Uh, Zorkmid, isn't that exactly what you're doing? Wait, isn't that also what you did to Sandroba?? Take a look at the pattern you're creating. Exhibit A. There's a difference between explaining why bad play is bad, and explaining why good play is good. | ||
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On April 17 2011 00:46 VarpuliS wrote: Eternalmisfit: I suggest changing your vote to Senj. This will prevent Shcoleosis and Zorkmid from being lynched, and put some real pressure on the lurker. scenario 1: Senj/Elmizzt comes back, votes Shcoleosis, Shcoleosis gets lynched. BAD scenario 2: Shcoleosis gets back first, votes Zorkmid, and Zorkmid gets lynched. BAD scenario 3: With your vote on Senj, Zorkmid and Shcoleosis both need 2 more votes against them to be lynched, which is unlikely unless the mafia bandwagons, which will give us information about who the mafia is. GOOD I follow this logic, and most of what I have tried to do so far is get to everyone talking. So the "lurker" we're all talking about is Senj? I'm changing my vote in the hopes that Senj comes back and we can get a better read on him. #unvote ##vote Senj I'm going to post my analysis of each player soon. Stay tuned. | ||
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He has added nothing to discussion at this point and seems like a classic example of lurker. If I cannot find any strong candidates for being mafia by the end of the day, he will be my go-to vote to avoid killing an active townie. (stolen from Misfit) Unless something changes, this is my vote for day 1 Elmizzit (this guy has got me confused.) On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote: Show nested quote + I'm suspicious that this means that sandroba is scum, and knows that that his scum buddy is going to be inactive. This points to Forumrite. Show nested quote + It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.... It seems too convenient that forumite is afk at the start and that sandroba would make that statement. Plus, my gut tells me that the first person who breaks and makes an outright accusation is suspicious, and that was Sandroba as well. I'm a bit suspicious of this, he seems the only one to have outright agreed with my very first observation that Shcoleosis was scum, and therefore Forumite (inactive at that point) was too. Also, the post I quoted is his only post of substance. The rest were about trying to get inactives to talk (when he is very inactive himself). To me this could indicate either that he feels there isn't much to be said at this point, or that he doesn't want to slip up. VarpuliS He has been pressuring lurkers, as I have been. I feel like this is strong town play. Also, he has prodded other players to share their ideas. To me, he is doing as good a job as I am to get as many posts out there as possible for analysis, and this to me indicates strong town play. Shcoleosis FoS I'm very suspicious of this player. She has been the first person to echo several ideas of other players.... Example On April 15 2011 11:12 Eternalmisfit wrote: Btw I think we should lynch people who are inactive or lurking the boards as it is more likely that they are trying to stay under and radar and avoid suspicion on themselves by barely posting at all. Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/ I also find it very scummy that when eyes are on her, she reminds us that she's new to the game, as if that had anything to do with anything. Forumite I initially cast suspicion on this player because he seemed to be one of the inactives I perceived Shcoleosis to be protecting. Over time I have I grown to feel he is a townie, he has done what myself and Varpulis have done, pressuring lurkers and trying to get the posts flowing. I have also felt that he has made too many references that try identify who the lurkers are, to me it just came off as trying to lynch a certain inactive that he may is a townie. Sandroba Has posted some pretty good analytical thoughts, has seemed very pro town. There is one mistake he made early on that I just simply cannot get past. And in the wake of what he has posted since, I just can't wrap my head around. I could be nothing, but I think everyone needs to see these two consecutive posts. 1. In response to my first idea that sandroba is scum because he knows that forumite was gonna be inactive and was trying to protect him. That makes no kind of sense whatsoever. How is me saying losing townies is a bad thing makes me scum? I'm obviously town. The idea of lynching inactives is really just to make sure everyone post enough so we can get a read on them. Also attacking the one doing analisys on you is not good town play. That's called OMGUS from what I've read. If you really are town then you should either defend yourself or make a case of someone you think is scum (a decent one, not the nonsencical one you've posted) so you can actually help town. I also have no connection with forumite and I fail to see how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion. And to say it doesn't matter if he posted that before or after he got PM'ed is just LOL. You are looking more and more like scum to me. Whoa, I thought that was scholeosis posting that, and I was thinking we had a clear scum for day 1 lynch. Besides the analisys part, since I haven't done one on you, my point still stands. I don't think you are scum though, since you are actually trying to do analises, although not a good one. I don't know exactly what it means that he has a TOTALLY different idea about a post depending on who posted it, but it's weird. Vain Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on. Ok, so my logic for thinking Vain is a Townie is a bit convoluted, but here goes: I don't think that a mafioso would want to be perceived to suspect two people on opposite sides of the argument between Shcoleosis and myself. I think that Shcoleosis is scum, and I think that if Vain was scum he would be on one side or the other, defending me OR Shcoleosis. Not both of us. EternalMisfit Every post I have seen of his, has been thoughtful conversation starting analysis. I think that he has used his voting to spark even more conversation. We'll see how it goes in these last ~10 hours, but I think this mofo is town. | ||
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On April 17 2011 11:01 chaoser wrote: Senj the Townie is dead. No surprise there, see you tomorrow. | ||
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There isn't much in there about what YOU think. | ||
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I was wrong about this being a boring game! GF and I making dinner for company. I'll try and sneak back for half an hour or so and was thinking I'd try and look at the voting records. Hope to be on soon ! | ||
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1. Scholeosis T2. Sandroba T3. Forumite If I'm alive tomorrow I promise to go deeper. ![[image loading]](http://i25.tinypic.com/xnuij4.png) | ||
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Forumite and Sandroba should both be T2. | ||
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On April 18 2011 11:02 sandroba wrote: I was role blocked. LOL! If you were REALLY roleblocked, this means that this is our setup: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective Sandroba has claimed detective, and the Medic guessed correctly. Can anyone else here confirm that if Sandroba is telling the truth (Im not sure) that this is the only setup possible? | ||
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So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night. Any thoughts? | ||
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On April 18 2011 18:21 Forumite wrote: Right now I´m suspicious of those who don´t contribute anything, not even aiding or defending those marked for Lynching, just sitting by, silent. FoS Elmizzt FoS Vain This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie. | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote: What I want is Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own thoughts, not just an "I agree" when someone else brings up evidence. I don´t agree that being protective is scummy, sure Mafia wants to protect Mafia, if possible, but there are so few Mafia, and there are a lot of instances where people point out that something is not scummy behavior. I see protecting someone as wanting a thought through lynch rather than lynching whoever makes the worst case for himself. It is scummy. I wouldn't defend any of the players at the moment as the ones that I think are town can do it themselves (and I would want them to) and I'm not sure about the rest. | ||
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On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote: Which part is scummy? What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them. You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses? Explain yourself man! | ||
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On April 18 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote: Which part is scummy? The part where you're defending people that *I* don't know to be town. | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:39 Forumite wrote: You only get informed that you were saved, not by whom. Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake. I don't think I believe you when you say you were saved. Wouldn't the mafia want to kill someone that didn't have any suspicion on them? I think that other than Scholeosis and Sandroba, you're someone that the players think is scum. That's of course unless the people FoSing you are scum. | ||
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On April 18 2011 22:12 Forumite wrote: I am one of the probable Townies, and I hinted that I had something really good that I was waiting to drop, which is probably why they aimed for me. I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. Actually Occam's Razor tells me that the reason you didn't say you were saved at first is because you weren't, you didn't know that when you're saved the host PMs you with "you were saved" you guessed at the wording that would be used, and you were wrong. ##Vote Forumite | ||
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1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Town 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town. That 1/4 setup is chosen, AND that forumite: wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. I'm also not really that swayed by Forumite's analysis on Vain. [red]Sandroba seemed quite convinced of it though[red] Took him 7 minutes to vote Vain. Forumite Sweden. April 18 2011 21:41. Posts 74 PM Profile Report Quote # Ah, I was just waiting for an analysis on Vain. will read now. "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." - W. Somerset Maugham sandroba Brazil. April 18 2011 21:48. Posts 119 PM Profile Report Quote # ##Unvote sandroba Brazil. April 18 2011 21:49. Posts 119 PM Profile Report Quote # ##Vote: Vain | ||
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On April 18 2011 23:54 VarpuliS wrote: I just took a very close look at your analysis Sandroba, and couldn't agree more with how contentless Vain's posts have been. Unless he breaks out some analysis soon, he's just as suspicious as Shcoleosis. It's a close call though. If we could lynch them both, I would. To the DT I'm going to assume we have at this point: Investigate Vain and Shcoleosis. Varp, you're the only guy that I'm fairly certain is town. I'm not sure that I'm totally sold on Sandroba's analysis of Vain, but I do see how it can be construed this way. I'm still mostly convinced that Scholeosis is scum and I would like to propose that we lynch her and if we have a DT, to check either Vain or Sandroba. I'm changing my vote to Scholeosis for now, but if the town feels more strongly about Vain at this point, I'm willing to consider it. ##Unvote ##Vote Scholeosis | ||
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On April 19 2011 00:30 sandroba wrote: I would sugest you guys to carefully consider the events of this night before voting for scholeosis. Also note that 100% of the active players on day 1 wouldn't mind lynching scholeosis and if senj had shown up that was probably what was going to happen. What do you mean to say here? Don't vote for Scholeosis cause of what? Someone claimed to be saved that wasn't him? The second part of your post seems to say "Vote for Scholeosis" I really do not understand wtf you mean. | ||
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If I were mafia I'd want to kill someone that NOBODY suspected to be mafia to intensify townie infighting. If I were the medic I'd want to protect someone I perceived to be an influential townie. This tells me that Mafia acted counter-intuitively and tried to kill someone helpful. The medic guessed correctly. To me this means that we need to surreptitiously determine which one of us is the medic. The medic has information that we need to drag out. It goes without saying that the medic shouldn't out him/herself despite it being a pro-town move, he'd be dead for sure. | ||
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On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote: Please consider who got saved tonight. I agree completely with all analysis done so far on scholeosis, and feel that he has looked pretty scummy. Except during the night, when he looked pretty much like a frustated newbie, who doesn't care if he seems suspicous at all. Compare that to how cautiously Vain has been trying to point out how inocent he is in the analysis I made when he was on pretty much everyone's suspect list. Vain and scholeosis can't be both mafia because if nothing happend today we would probably lynch scholeosis and Vain suports this idea Vain suports the idea of lynching scholeosis Is Vain really on anyone's suspect list other that yours and forumites ? | ||
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On April 19 2011 00:55 sandroba wrote: Please consider who got saved tonight. Kinda sounds like, PLEASE BELIEVE ME! | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:11 Forumite wrote: Zork, I was consistently one considered very pro-Town, and a natural night-kill target. We don´t need to find the Medic to know what happened during Night 1, at least if you believe me when i say I was saved. The suspicions that come on anyone claiming role-blocked or saved, or any blue role, is what made wait with informing you of the medics protection. I´m keeping my vote on Vain, he made his mistake and because that he looks scummier than Shcoleosis, to me that makes Shcoleosis Town until we lynch Vain and find out Vains alingment. Maybe I'm a huge idiot, but I don't see the huge mistake Vain made that you and sandroba have as a talking point. | ||
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I get the feeling that if one of Sandroba, Forumite or Scholeosis is red, that two are for sure. | ||
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On April 19 2011 02:47 Shcoleosis wrote: Just letting everyone know I'm going to be inactive until tomorrow...It's finals week and I'm up to my neck in study guides. Got that? I'm not lurking! I've only skimmed through some of these posts, and I can't believe how many tiimes my name has wrongly showed up in red. I'll try to be on later and give my input on things, which will automatically be interpreted as scum behavior (as usual). TL;DR I can't think of how to defend my scum-ass | ||
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On April 19 2011 03:29 VarpuliS wrote: The one thing I'm worried about: Vain could be our medic. In that case he'd know that Forumite was targeted and saved, and accidentally let it slip. . I didn't really want that information out there, but I'll echo that this was my reason for keeping my vote off of Vain. | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:50 Zorkmid wrote: I think that one of the things holding me back is that if Vain is mafia.....who else is? Anyone have any thoughts on this? | ||
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On April 19 2011 08:48 Forumite wrote: Are we back to Shcoleosis and Elmizzt then? I don't feel like I have enough information about Elmizzt to vote for him just yet. I think we've got more ammunition against 2 other right now. | ||
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1. I've had the scum vibe from Scholeosis longer than Vain 2. Scholeosis seems to have a fairly consistent "defender". Right or wrong, this leads me to think that they may both be SCUM That said, if a fairy told me that Vain wasn't a medic, I'd flip a coin. The other thing is.....I feel like if we get Vain and he is SCUM, I have no idea who we go after next. If Scholeosis is SCUM then I think our next moves as town are pretty cut and dried. | ||
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On April 19 2011 10:14 VarpuliS wrote: I'm off to sleep, and will be traveling for the next few days. I'm not going to be inactive, but I'll be posting from my phone for the most part, so expect my posts be shorter and less filled with bbc code. Right now it's clear to me that we should lynch either Shcoleosis or Vain, but as of right now I'm not sure which one. Totally offtopic...When I open TL mafia threads on my phone the app crashes. What do you use? | ||
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On April 19 2011 20:46 Vain wrote: Why did i claim medic when also some votes are going to Shcoleosis again? Well,since the mafia already knows i am a medic it doesn't really matter to me if i claim now or never but the earlyer the town get's any hard information the better. Also i have some wild theory's on why we should look in a whole other direction but alas i didn't see any confirming behaviour. Vain, I don't follow your logic at all. Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic? You have a good chance of not getting lynched today, while I don't think your claim gets you lynched today, I think it either gets you shot tonight, or puts you in a pretty tough to defend spot tomorrow if you survive. If I were you I wouldn't have claimed. Either there is some important tidbit that I don't see, or you're not playing to win/didn't think this out very well. | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote: I would like to congratulate town for playing great: Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness! Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play. Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man! Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2. Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking. Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone! Cheers! Awwww thanks ♥ ! | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:18 Coagulation wrote: another batch of newbies ready for the big leagues? I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell. | ||
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On April 20 2011 12:14 bumatlarge wrote: -_- YOU ARE IN XVIII RIGHT NOW. I suggest you talk with brownbear. Why does everyone assume I'm a dumbass? I've made two votes already ! | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:33 chaoser wrote: Analysis of the game will be coming up ![[image loading]](http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/4/20/9d4a336b-1cf3-4f1b-a9a4-aee6fe686e9f.jpg) | ||
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On April 21 2011 01:06 chaoser wrote: sorry, finals are coming up and GM and I are swamped, I think GM has something written up and I'll get on it soon, i promise! Don't worry dude, was more of an excuse to waste time making a meme | ||
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On April 25 2011 10:23 Senj wrote: Hahaha. Win from the grave. I'll take it. AKA loss. | ||
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