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 I still have some problem with the terminoligy though. It's so hard to read Dt not as Dark Templar | ||
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On April 15 2011 13:08 sandroba wrote: Well I just checked and it's actually 6 AM in sweeden/netherlands so Vain and Forumite are probably actually sleeping. However, judging from this thread varpulis is normally active around this time. Hmmm... Yup, just got out of bed. its 12:40 now here  ehm, can't we like check if these other person's are posting elsewhere so they are knowingly avoiding posting here? | ||
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On April 16 2011 06:17 sandroba wrote: Well, right now, I'm still waiting on some kind of response by scholeosis. And the other lurkers should come out of the shadows and post their opnion, or is the situation too confortable that the scum can sit back and realx? Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that (s)he really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until (s)he can give an explenation, my vote is still on him/her. And btw please tell if your a girl or not. i am sick of typing 2 genders all the time. ifnot i assume your sexless, lol | ||
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On April 16 2011 06:36 Forumite wrote: Nope, not anymore. Senj and Vain seem like the lurkers now, but I´m not sure, counting their posts in this thread might be a good idea. Four if you count this one;) | ||
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On April 16 2011 22:11 Forumite wrote: I will most probably not get online from about an hour to the end of the night. The next day-phase is during the week, I´ll have much more time then to get to the bottom of this then. I don´t have much advice to give in case I get night-killed, but I´ve a few things to add, mostly to identify Sheep/Lurkers. I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid. I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him. Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis. So Lurkers: Senj Vain elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection) Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:18 Senj wrote: GL HF broskis. Not sure I agree Eternalmisfit, seeing as we're all relatively new to the mafia game. He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change.. On April 15 2011 12:41 Senj wrote: Yeah, basically. I guess that's kind of the idea of keeping the thread active though, more posts mean more chances to slip up and divulge too much information. Somewhat unrelated, but I just broke a 9 game lose streak. :D huuuuuge relief there. Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time On April 15 2011 12:54 Senj wrote: I'm already taking note that we have yet to see Forumite, Vain and Varpulis, however; I feel it's a little early yet. By the halfway mark on the first day I'll be suspicious if we haven't heard from them yet. After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead | ||
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On April 17 2011 21:21 Forumite wrote: Are we supposed to discuss during the night? It just makes me feel like the Mafia get more ammunition to use on who they want to night-kill. ____ Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it. Well, it think we should use all time possible to uncover maffia to prevent misses like senj. Yes he wasn't very active but he was a town as expected. We have a limited number of chances to get it right and sadly we had to lynch an inactive towny. As for being affraid that the maffia gets too much information you'll have to understand one thing perfectly. The maffia already knows who is town and is maffia. There is not much more to know for them. Sure we and the mafia do not know if there is a DT and/or a Doctor but they do not have to uncover themself if they do not want to. We can use all the information there is. The mafia already has all the info and sure as hell aren't gonna lynch one of their own at this moment. | ||
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This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing + Show Spoiler + On April 17 2011 00:38 chaoser wrote: Yes they do get modkilled shcoleosis: 2 Vain Zorkmid Zorkmid: 1 Forumite Senj: 2 sandroba Varpulis elmizzit: 1 Eternalmisfit shcoleosis to be lynched on account of getting to 2 votes first People who haven't voted yet: Shcoleosis, elmizzit, senj 10 hours and 25 minutes remaining till the end of day And here the final vote: On April 17 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote: shcoleosis: 1 Vain Zorkmid: 1 Forumite Senj: 6 sandroba Varpulis shcoleosis Zorkmid Eternalmisfit elmizzt Senj to be lynched at 6 votes Day ends in 1 hour 33 minutes So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one. We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote. | ||
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On April 17 2011 23:53 VarpuliS wrote: Vain FoS Vain has been semi-active. I'm a little bit suspicious of him because he joined the Shcoleosis bandwagon without giving a reason until prompted to. Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning is not great town play, and his logic and reasoning just haven't clicked with me. FoS, but not a priority. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is? we could discuss over that and i could try to defend myself which is not advised in a game of mafia so fuck that. Btw didnt anyone notice the vote swing at the last moment or did everyone just stop caring? | ||
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On April 18 2011 03:54 VarpuliS wrote: ah. I see the misunderstanding here. What I meant to say was "If we do have any blues, we've only got one of each. This was to make it very clear that we must not waste any abilities given to us. If you'd like to lynch me, lynch me. I invite you. It will prove my alignment and deny suspicion in my analyses. Let me repeat that: If you think i'm scum, go ahead and lynch me. VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? | ||
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On April 18 2011 11:19 Zorkmid wrote: Ah, my bad. I even asked earlier on whether a roleblocked townie was told, I just forgot! So I get the feeling that either myself or Varp was the target last night. Any thoughts? Medic You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself. If you didnt get a pm like "you were saved" or something you can be pretty sure you were not a target | ||
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On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote: 3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing. Omg, How could you NOT like my necrology of senj | ||
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On April 18 2011 18:12 Forumite wrote: We know that we have a medic, but we have no idea who it is, nor who was saved. Going out with something like this doesn´t really serve a point, so we can´t identify who it was either. Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do. Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him. Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed. Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself) And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:06 sandroba wrote: Nowhere in forumite post he claims that the medic saved him, only mafia would know that for sure. Also thank you for uncovering your plan. If you were indeed the target, forumite, it's time for you to say it, so that if no one says otherwise we have no reason to doubt it. There is no point in hiding that info from mafia because saying that you were protected does not reveal the identity of the medic. If someone else got protected and saved, please post it, so we can make some sense out of this. How is saying Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? That not claiming for saved by the medic | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:22 sandroba wrote: That's clearly not claiming to be saved by medic. i think it clearly is, but let's ask forumite again shall we? | ||
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On April 18 2011 21:19 Forumite wrote: Elmizzt and Vain are extremely slow posters, but when they do post it´s to immediately jump on whoever is the current target for the lynch. Elmizzt even jumped on my VarpuliS-accusations, that really were quite weak after all. When I defend someone, because I do sometimes, and different people at that, it´s because I feel the evidence against them is weak, and in these two peoples cases, it´s always weak. I don't know how you percieved this but i had consistently scholeosis as maffia so please don't imply i just follow the crowd. I was the even only one that ended up voting for her. Why are you asking me if i am doctor or mafia? if i tell you im mafia i would be dead. If i tell you i am a doctor i would be dead AND the town loses a medic. So I am not going to answer your two sided question you figure it out yourself;) | ||
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On April 19 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote: If Vote flips green or blue then I will take a very close look on Sandroba, but I can´t know now what will happen during Lynch 2, it depends on what slip-ups happen until then. Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote "Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide." On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote: VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended? Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play. If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS | ||
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.Jeah i slipped that first post, The first part implying forumite was saved was not that bad but the 2nd one with an analysis i already wrote shouln't have been there. But meh what's done is done. I didn't claim medic before for a few reasons. Now we can rules some people out. Mind that the mafia already knew i was a Medic. I also agree with sandroba that we should stick to one target and not post analysis just because you are suspected of scum. It isn't helping and just contributes to the clusterfuck of posts we have. I will now post some information where i'm fairly sure on. Based on the mafia kill i can vouch for forumite. He is either green or took a very high risk the first day. I don't really believe in the last one. Second is VarpuliS. He cannot be scum due to the following reason. When forumite would be killed all suspicion would be on VarpuliS. He would almost certainly be the 2nd target of the day 2 lynch. Zorkmid is also town. Just trust me on this one Sandroba Would also been town if i'm right on this. He has been hard pressuring to kill me. So hard that if flipped medic he would be the next target. So Sandroba would be also on my green list Ok, so three persons left now -elmizzt: Did not post sufficiently to get a good read on -Scholeosis: Well i think we discussed this subect more than enough. But keep in mind if you are a townie and made a mess like this. How would you post? -Eternalmisfit: Also can't get a good read on him. Posted sufficiently to avoid any real suspicion. Well this is my list for now. Why did i claim medic when also some votes are going to Shcoleosis again? Well,since the mafia already knows i am a medic it doesn't really matter to me if i claim now or never but the earlyer the town get's any hard information the better. Also i have some wild theory's on why we should look in a whole other direction but alas i didn't see any confirming behaviour. | ||
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On April 19 2011 21:03 Forumite wrote: He posted that he knew I was saved, so he must be Medic or Mafia. If he´s the Medic, then the Mafia knows because they know who they are, and that he´s not one of them. That is correct. So while my chances of being lynched were diminishing, My chances of being killed in the night were reasonably big. Also it maby it will shine some new light on the discussion. We have to get it right this time. | ||
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On April 19 2011 22:48 Eternalmisfit wrote: Since Vain claimed medic and no one else has claimed medic, it is safe to assume that he is indeed medic. Modified analysis Vain Forumite Sandroba - I think he is either blue or mafia since he checked PM's and claimed block almost instantly after the day started. However, it seems harder and harder to associate an accomplice to him. Though, since he has been pushing for lynching Vain, he might indeed be scum. VarpuliS and Zorkmid have seemed pro-town for the most. Scholeosis and Elmizzt seem mafia scum to me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Shcoleosis I do not agree with labeling sandroba as scum. Pushing for lynching me if he was scum would mean he would be the next target if i flipped medic which he knew if he was scum. There is another possibility that he is mafia and hoped for me to claim my role. Then he could say that he didnt know that i was medic because he was acusing me. Still i do label him as town since i do not find the 2nd theory very plausable | ||
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On April 20 2011 02:55 GMarshal wrote: Day ends in 8 hours and 5 minutes ^_^ That better be a good smiley | ||
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On April 20 2011 04:37 VarpuliS wrote: No cell phone service anywhere in the hotel... Thank god I brought my laptop. Sandroba seems very pro-town to me, but isn't a guaranteed townie. Right now Forumite is the only one who definitely isn't scum. I think that we're on the right track by voting for Shcoleosis and suspecting Elmizzt. There isn't very much left to discuss at the moment, because neither Shcoleosis nor Elmizzt seems to be around to defend themselves. Well i don't think they can say alot what could lift the suspicion on them | ||
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On April 20 2011 06:53 Forumite wrote: We know who we want to lynch, we only wait to see if it was the right choice. By the way Vain, I suggest you vote too. Jeah, would suck to be modkilled ##Vote: Shcoleosis | ||
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On April 20 2011 10:40 elmizzt wrote: Been waiting to see if scholeosis has anything to say, but at this point I think she is too busy studying for her finals or something lol. I'm going to go with my strongest feeling based on my previous post. ##Vote: Forumite Your previous post was + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2011 08:19 elmizzt wrote: No, I'm not claiming blue with that post. But I think it's safe to say that the PM's would go out as close to humanly possible as the post announcing the new day/night, would it not? Lol | ||
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On April 20 2011 10:48 elmizzt wrote: Previous post meaning post that came before this, not literally the one right before. I didn't bother being so specific, as I'm pretty sure nobody bothered to read it. I'll link you here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211489¤tpage=20#391 Aha, so with that reasoning i should be mafia too and forumite and i are lying our asses off Well how do you explain sandroba claiming to be roleblocked then? There are only 2 mafia in the game so 3 people lying is pretty much impossible | ||
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On April 20 2011 10:55 sandroba wrote: If shcholeosis flips red I don't see a point in continuing this game. Why not? Just maby elmizzt is town after all and then who would be mafia? | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:07 Forumite wrote: GOTCHA! We have a detective, feel free to rolecheck Elmizzt if you want to. If the detective survives the night then I suggest he should roleclaim and tell us if Elmizzt is Mafia, so we have a 100% sure lynch tomorrow. I very much concur with this thought On another note: This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight! | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:18 Forumite wrote: Early post from Shcoleosis accusing Zorkmid of being Mafia. This suggest strongly that Zorkmid is Town Jeah, but he kept defending me instead of bandwagoning with the rest that i was mafia. I just thought he checked on me and saw i was medic. I couldn't be more wrong omg | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:20 sandroba wrote: I would like to congratulate town for playing great: Vain: Fucking nice save! Did a way better job than me of hidding his blueness! Zorkmid: Nice agressiviness that helped analyse everyone's reaction. Overall great town play. Varpulis: Huge dedication and analysis, nice work man! Forumite: Nice bait, made everything clear as crystal day 2. Ethernal: Always calm, and collected, good analysis and logical thinking. Congrats everyone, and sorry if I missrepresented anyone! Cheers! Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:22 chaoser wrote: GM and I were like...what the fuck...these actions have been fucking planned, they playing us... Well the kill save was actually not too hard. I just thought by myself: " Ok, if i were maffia and want to create a massive clusterfuck. Who whould i kill? ''. Well i guessed that was forumite and turned out to be true^^ | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:27 Forumite wrote: Bah, it got us talking, gave us more posts from the Mafia. Well all i was thinking was:. SHIT I FUCKED UP, DEAD MAN WALKING: I had all this wild theories of varpuliS being a criminal mastermind and stuff. but i am glad most things are far more simple than i thought | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:31 sandroba wrote: Yeah LOL, I was so ansious for my result! Fucking terrible blue play. With hindsight it all ads up. I thought the chance of mafia guessing right were rather slim so i just assumed you saw the pm relatively fast | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:33 chaoser wrote: Analysis of the game will be coming up I have a really good one. Game begins. 1st modkill 2nd modkill 3rd modkill TOWN WINS! THE END | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:52 Zorkmid wrote: I'm in as a replacement for XVIII but that game seems mostly over. Really looking forward to sleeper cell. Me2. More role, More players. what could i wish more for | ||
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On April 20 2011 12:01 bumatlarge wrote: dude you are in XVIII now you replaced a guy lol... you should probably head over there. Oh, lol. he's on the list. Well that means no sleeper cell for a while | ||
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On April 21 2011 01:22 GMarshal wrote: My analysis is on page 12/26, I have a paper due in less than three hours, I'll try to get the analysis finished after that, no matter what I'll have it done by friday night at the latest. Friday is fine Btw zorkmid win that game already! want to start with sleeper cell^^ | ||
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On April 24 2011 03:38 Senj wrote: Fuuuuuuu. I went out of town to party with a friend and forgot to vote. -_- Well don't despair. You won after all XD | ||
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